OT. Rec.bicycles.tech hijacked by Trolls? Usenet too?

[Sir Ridesalot]

Just wondering if it's just rec.bicycles.tech that has been recently taken over by trolls and/or spammers or if it's happened to all of the Usenet groups?

Cheers

[Duane]

It may be everywhere but it's certainly more noticeable here. Makes one
long for the days when we had just our own three or so to deal with.
--
duane

[Andre Jute]

On Friday, August 8, 2014 10:44:49 PM UTC+1, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> Just wondering if it's just rec.bicycles.tech that has been recently taken over by trolls and/or spammers or if it's happened to all of the Usenet groups?

They come, and if everyone resolutely ignores them, eventually they go. You just have to be patient. I assume they came here because Monkeyface somehow provided an opening for them.

Just thank your lucky stars RBT isn't actually the home base of the spammers. There was a time when a bunch of spammers made alt.guitar.amps their home base, and it was hell for the guys who were there for guitar amps. For all I know they could still be there, making on-topic discussion impossible.

The main thing is not to engage with their juvenile opinions, however stupid and provocative.

Andre Jute

[Clive George]

On 08/08/2014 22:44, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> Just wondering if it's just rec.bicycles.tech that has been recently taken over by trolls and/or spammers or if it's happened to all of the Usenet groups?

Set your killfile to kill crossposts to uk.re.cycling - that'll get rid
of most of the recent idiots.

(not sure there's any worthwhile content on there now at all)

[avag...@gmail.com]

yeah n the frozen Canadians n drunken irishmen are the worst of it....

buncha worm infected road lawyers

[John Doe]

Unfortunately apparently many groups have gone off-topic and
suffered much spam lately. Your Google Groups news server is
responsible for most of it. And then there is the fact that Google
Groups posters destroy USENET protocol formatting.

Google's YouTube video comments section has a neat innovation of
allowing the original poster to control the thread. That's
outstanding, I wish USENET implemented (or could implement) that.

But in fact Google is a blight on USENET.

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[avag...@gmail.com]

lookit NEWS FROM NYC...

a significant compendium of road lawyer info...my screen sez 2 views...that is yawl lobots killed filed me or your rather narrow interests lie spouting in your own domain..to be polite.

this cyberspace reads like Philosophy .15

[sloc...@invalid.com]

Kill file everyone posting to or from "uk.rec.cycling".

Works for me.
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Cheers,

John B.

[sms]

I don't see any of the trolling. A newsreader with decent filtering
works wonders.

[avag...@gmail.com]

I don't see any of the trolling. A newsreader with decent filtering works wonders.

......


and what of education and developing perspective ?

[Brad Rogers]

On Saturday 09 Aug 2014 00:57 in message
<1PadnTNgdeBA_njO...@brightview.co.uk>,

Clive George wrote:

> Set your killfile to kill crossposts to uk.re.cycling - that'll get rid
> of most of the recent idiots.
>
> (not sure there's any worthwhile content on there now at all)

I subbed about a week ago. I unsubbed yesterday. Despite having taken
several showers since, I still feel violated and unclean.

IOW, uk.rec.cycling is populated almost totally by spammers, trolls and
generally clueless arguing idiots.

No wonder uk.rec.cycling.moderated appeared.

--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
Looking for something I can call my own
Chairman Of The Bored - Crass

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 14:44:49 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
<i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Looks like you're posting and reading from Google Groups. Google
doesn't not have a functional spam filter and is also the source of
much spam. Since they can't really sell much advertising on Usenet,
Google is not really interested in maintaining it.

I'm reading on Supernews and I don't see much spam.

I suggest you get a decent news reader and Usenet news provider. For
a reader, I'm using Forte Agent.
<http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
One very useful feature is to have the reader block any messages
posted to 4 or more newsgroups. That's almost guaranteed to be spam
or spew. For a Usenet provider, I recently discovered:
<http://www.news.astraweb.com>
<http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html>
$10 for 25 GBytes is really cheap and might last the rest of my
life[1]. According to one user, their spam filtering is quite good.
However, I've been bizzee and haven't tried them yet.


[1] I only download headers and read only what I find interesting. If
your newsreader is set to download everything including article
bodies, 25 GBytes won't last very long.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Duane]

Fuck dat.
--
duane

[Duane]

Anyone know how to get news tap lite to filter on cross posts? Looks like
the nntp field only shows r.b.t. I can deal with it on a dickhead by
dickhead basis but there are a lot of dickheads lately.


--
duane

[Joerg]

If you use a decent news server they do a good job of hosing off
spammers. But you have to pay for that. Not much though, mine is
news.individual.de in Berlin (Germany) and it costs me all of 10 Euros a
year. Almost no spam.

Before that when my ISP (AT&T) still had a news server I just filtered
out all posters with gmail domains and that took care of it.
Unfortunately this also weeds out some legit posters but I had no
choice. A client with white-lisitng features can help that but I am
using Thunderbird and it doesn't have that.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

[sms]

Unless the problem posters change their identities, Thunderbird's
filters work pretty well. I probably only add one e-mail address per
week these days for rec.bicycles.tech.

[Joerg]

I am currently subscribe to two dozen newsgroups. Even one per week
would quickly get old. After switching to a paid news server I was able
to simply turn off the filter and enjoy the ride.

Now if technology was so simple with bicycles ... had the big scare on
Thursday, rear wheel locked up solid on downhill portion of a trail
without me having touched the handle.

[James]

On 11/08/14 02:41, Joerg wrote:

> Now if technology was so simple with bicycles ... had the big scare on
> Thursday, rear wheel locked up solid on downhill portion of a trail
> without me having touched the handle.
>

How did that happen? Did your tail light break off and jam between the
frame and rear tyre?

--
JS

[Dan O]

right on!

[Joerg]

No, rock splinters might have triggered the event. Hard to say in
hindsight because I could only look after the bike had come to stop and
the impressive plume of dust had wafted off. What ended up jamming it
was that the outer pad slipped from its assigned workplace to between
caliper body and disc. Luckily this did not happen at the front wheel.

What would be really nice is to get a solid rotor like you can easily
buy for dirt bikes from companies such as Moose Racing. Never seen
anything like it for MTB. Plus a nice disc guard which is also easy to
buy for motorcycles but not for MTB. Beats me why not, I don't
understand why the bicycle industry is so far behind in that domain.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:16:19 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>What would be really nice is to get a solid rotor like you can easily
>buy for dirt bikes from companies such as Moose Racing. Never seen
>anything like it for MTB. Plus a nice disc guard which is also easy to
>buy for motorcycles but not for MTB. Beats me why not, I don't
>understand why the bicycle industry is so far behind in that domain.

I've seen exactly one solid rear rotor at a local cyclocross event.
<http://cyclo-x.com>
It looked home made. You could probably make your own with CAD and a
laser cutter, if you can handle the metalurgy. (Extra credit for
adding water spray cooling).

Solid rotors are allegedly better in mud than perforated rotors:
<http://www.cxmagazine.com/ryan-trebons-solid-disc-brake-rotors-spy-photos>

Also, there are ceramic and composite rotors (of which I know
nothing):
<http://www.buykettlecycles.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1820>
<https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kettlecycles/siccc-bicycle-brake-rotor-silicon-carbide-ceramic>

[Joerg]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:16:19 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What would be really nice is to get a solid rotor like you can easily
>> buy for dirt bikes from companies such as Moose Racing. Never seen
>> anything like it for MTB. Plus a nice disc guard which is also easy to
>> buy for motorcycles but not for MTB. Beats me why not, I don't
>> understand why the bicycle industry is so far behind in that domain.
>
> I've seen exactly one solid rear rotor at a local cyclocross event.
> <http://cyclo-x.com>
> It looked home made. You could probably make your own with CAD and a
> laser cutter, if you can handle the metalurgy. (Extra credit for
> adding water spray cooling).
>
> Solid rotors are allegedly better in mud than perforated rotors:
> <http://www.cxmagazine.com/ryan-trebons-solid-disc-brake-rotors-spy-photos>
>

They are IMHO always better. You can get the ones for cyclocross off the
shelf, but those only come in 140mm which is way too wimpy for my riding
and could not even be mounted on my bike. Once upon a time when buffalo
still roamed the Wild West you could get the real deal from Avid:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/avid-185mm-g3-solid-sweep-rotordisc-new

But it seems, no more :-(

> Also, there are ceramic and composite rotors (of which I know
> nothing):
> <http://www.buykettlecycles.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1820>
> <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kettlecycles/siccc-bicycle-brake-rotor-silicon-carbide-ceramic>
>

Yeah, but I am not going to spend north of $150 on a single rotor. You
can have them custom made (at least in Germany) for under 60 Euros, a
poster in another NG showed a link. I guess a decent local machine shop
with a laser cutter could do the same if you created an AutoCAD file for
it. Metal is fine, it doesn't have to be some highfalutin space-age
fiber stuff. I really do not care about weight.

[avag...@gmail.com]

WHAT DOES YOUR PIG WEIGH ?

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:37:05 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>Yeah, but I am not going to spend north of $150 on a single rotor. You
>can have them custom made (at least in Germany) for under 60 Euros, a
>poster in another NG showed a link.

Custom cut rotors:
<http://www.brake-stuff.de/en/>
<https://shop.brake-stuff.de/en/custom-bremsscheiben/165-custom-made-disc-rotor-create-your-own-rotor-6-bolt.html>
<http://www.mountainbiketales.com/reviews/dirty_dog0611.htm>
<http://www.sorblasercutting.co.uk/gallery-item.php?key=62>
<http://www.thediscdoctor.co.uk/Discs.htm>

>I guess a decent local machine shop
>with a laser cutter could do the same if you created an AutoCAD file for
>it. Metal is fine, it doesn't have to be some highfalutin space-age
>fiber stuff. I really do not care about weight.

Yeah, that's what I suggested. If you want to make your own, here are
some articles with some muddle on the metalurgy:
<http://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=50197>
<http://forums.mtbr.com/brake-time/material-brake-rotors-523051.html>
<http://www.galferusa.com/bicycle-wave-rotors/>

Kinda looks like high carbon 420 or maybe 410 stainless steels are the
most common materials. Same as what's used to make knife blades.

[Joerg]

avag...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 3:37:05 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
>> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>

[...]

>>
>>
>>> Also, there are ceramic and composite rotors (of which I know
>>> nothing):
>>> <http://www.buykettlecycles.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1820>
>>> <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kettlecycles/siccc-bicycle-brake-rotor-silicon-carbide-ceramic>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, but I am not going to spend north of $150 on a single rotor. You
>>
>> can have them custom made (at least in Germany) for under 60 Euros, a
>>
>> poster in another NG showed a link. I guess a decent local machine shop
>>
>> with a laser cutter could do the same if you created an AutoCAD file for
>>
>> it. Metal is fine, it doesn't have to be some highfalutin space-age
>>
>> fiber stuff. I really do not care about weight.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards, Joerg
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>
>
>
>
> WHAT DOES YOUR PIG WEIGH ?

Standard it's 31 lbs but by now, with puncture-resistant slime-filled
tubes, lighting and all that it has probably gained 3-4 lbs. But only
wehn the 28oz water bottle is empty :-)

[Joerg]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:37:05 -0700, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but I am not going to spend north of $150 on a single rotor. You
>> can have them custom made (at least in Germany) for under 60 Euros, a
>> poster in another NG showed a link.
>
> Custom cut rotors:
> <http://www.brake-stuff.de/en/>
> <https://shop.brake-stuff.de/en/custom-bremsscheiben/165-custom-made-disc-rotor-create-your-own-rotor-6-bolt.html>
> <http://www.mountainbiketales.com/reviews/dirty_dog0611.htm>
> <http://www.sorblasercutting.co.uk/gallery-item.php?key=62>
> <http://www.thediscdoctor.co.uk/Discs.htm>
>
>> I guess a decent local machine shop
>> with a laser cutter could do the same if you created an AutoCAD file for
>> it. Metal is fine, it doesn't have to be some highfalutin space-age
>> fiber stuff. I really do not care about weight.
>
> Yeah, that's what I suggested. If you want to make your own, here are
> some articles with some muddle on the metalurgy:
> <http://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=50197>
> <http://forums.mtbr.com/brake-time/material-brake-rotors-523051.html>
> <http://www.galferusa.com/bicycle-wave-rotors/>
>
> Kinda looks like high carbon 420 or maybe 410 stainless steels are the
> most common materials. Same as what's used to make knife blades.
>

Some time later I may try that. But not from Europe because shipping is
going to be expensive. Unless I happen to travel there.

[avag...@gmail.com]

HEAVY ? did you read the epic trans Sierra Gold miner-Emigrant trails Bikepacker blog post ? CF CF CF minimal. powdered water...

My equipment is steel and heavy. Became heavier after reading Bikepackers..

haven't hoisted a CF bike yet

try ceramic pads

[Joerg]

avag...@gmail.com wrote:
> HEAVY ? did you read the epic trans Sierra Gold miner-Emigrant
> trails Bikepacker blog post ? CF CF CF minimal. powdered water...
>
> My equipment is steel and heavy. Became heavier after reading
> Bikepackers..
>

No idea what that blog is. Carbon is really expensive an AFAIK can be
unforgiving in a serious crash, meaning one may have toasted a $2k+ frame.

> haven't hoisted a CF bike yet
>
> try ceramic pads

Just ordered a bunch, these:

http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-Pairs-Bicycle-Cycling-Ceramic/dp/B00HHK34FY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=8-3&keywords=BB5+pads


Four pairs cost less than the lone $15 plus tax organic pair I bought at
my bike dealer yesterday. Considering that they only last 500mi per axle
that adds a whopping 6c/mile in cost. Got to get that down.

Same for tires. The rear is almost bald after 500mi. Costs around $50,
meaning another 10c/mile and that's not even counting the front tire
wear. There are some guys in a German NG who don't believe me that
running an MTB can be more expensive per mile than an SUV but it's true.
My SUV does run cheaper. So I also ordered one of these to see how it
rides and how many miles I get out of it:

http://www.pricepoint.com/Brand/Vee-Rubber/Vee-Rubber-Flying-V-29x2-20-Folding-Tire.axd

[avag...@gmail.com]

not free not costly

long commutes prob run $30-50/month with tragan und reiben, mistakes, gross FU's, road trash

always buy from reliable companies, esp brake products

http://wanderlustandtheroadlesstraveled.blogspot.com/2013/10/fall-in-lost-sierra.html

[Joerg]

avag...@gmail.com wrote:
> not free not costly
>
> long commutes prob run $30-50/month with tragan und reiben, mistakes, gross FU's, road trash
>

Well, I got 500mi on the new bike and ran through at least $80 worth of
material. Plus chain oil, plus, plus. Not counting the warranty repairs.

> always buy from reliable companies, esp brake products
>

And then they come from the same factory in China :-)


> http://wanderlustandtheroadlesstraveled.blogspot.com/2013/10/fall-in-lost-sierra.html
>

Nice ride. Are you one of the riders?

[avag...@gmail.com]

No, I'm in Florida but I was in the area for 5 years and am traveling back next week thru OK and Wyoming. I was doing animal behavior research, begun from a bicycle commute, with Orca San Juan islands and grackles...my local tree frog is calling....hehehehe....above Yuma on the Colorado.

I would try moving thru the area going N-S.I drive a Ford E250 5.4 OHC with a GT suspension....Cal 89 is a favorite.

My off road bike is a steel Redline Champ cyclocross replica. I've ridden out of Bishop toward the lava field and plan on Mammoth next year. This winter the south CDT where tolerable.

I'm in good physical condition but 68+ so extensive climbing is not in order.

The epic trip is posted in Bikepacker under trip reports. There is an online magazine for Rocky Mountain MTB trips, several for California.

We had gone back and forth on weight in BP forums with the ultra riders educating me...the trip you read of is bottomline there or topline....

I'm more declined for a few more pounds of comfort that would not allow speed thru the areas read of. Plod is more like it.

TSD suffers and as a CDT vet told me...'you maynot be fast enough to do it (the CDT) as a slow rider runs out of water and....then supplying for slowness adds more slownessnessness...

There's a threshold in there somewhere. Limited supply points...eg if the supply point s 2 days away for a slow rider but 1/2 day for a fast rider then how many moose are there in Grant NM ?

[Joerg]

avag...@gmail.com wrote:
> No, I'm in Florida but I was in the area for 5 years and am traveling
> back next week thru OK and Wyoming. I was doing animal behavior
> research, begun from a bicycle commute, with Orca San Juan islands
> and grackles...my local tree frog is calling....hehehehe....above
> Yuma on the Colorado.
>
> I would try moving thru the area going N-S.I drive a Ford E250 5.4
> OHC with a GT suspension....Cal 89 is a favorite.
>
> My off road bike is a steel Redline Champ cyclocross replica. I've
> ridden out of Bishop toward the lava field and plan on Mammoth next
> year. This winter the south CDT where tolerable.
>

Most of my regular routes I would not want to do on a Cyclocross bike.
My lower back ain't that good anymore and why torture oneself when
there's an abundance of nice FS bikes?

> I'm in good physical condition but 68+ so extensive climbing is not
> in order.
>
> The epic trip is posted in Bikepacker under trip reports. There is an
> online magazine for Rocky Mountain MTB trips, several for California.
>

http://bikepackersmagazine.com/

I can only see race reports.

>
> We had gone back and forth on weight in BP forums with the ultra
> riders educating me...the trip you read of is bottomline there or
> topline....
>
> I'm more declined for a few more pounds of comfort that would not
> allow speed thru the areas read of. Plod is more like it.
>

Same here. My trips are mostly <4h but I like to pack lots of tools and
lots of water, plus food. You never know. Never had a bike breakdown
myself so far but could help others.

> TSD suffers and as a CDT vet told me...'you maynot be fast enough to
> do it (the CDT) as a slow rider runs out of water and....then
> supplying for slowness adds more slownessnessness...
>

No idea what TSD and CDT is.

> There's a threshold in there somewhere. Limited supply points...eg if
> the supply point s 2 days away for a slow rider but 1/2 day for a
> fast rider then how many moose are there in Grant NM ?

When I was younger I did some long hiking trips. They can be about as
exerting as long MTB rides but it was never a problem to pack enough
food for almost a week between supply points. One has to keep it simple
but I did splurge in that I almost always took along a big Italian hard
salami sausage (but don't do that in bear country). That alone lasted
4-5 days, easy. Then there's simple foods such as bannock where, other
than the premixed powder stuff, all you need is water and and a camp fire.

[Radey Shouman]

There was a long, contentious, and involved discussion not long ago on
this very problem as applied to bombing Argentines.
--

[AMuzi]

Proving the Teheran mission should go swimmingly.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[avag...@gmail.com]

golly talk abt thread hijack......

http://www.bikepacking.net/routes/great-divide-mountain-bike-route/

Time Speed Distance

Continental Divide Trail which is for bikes the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route