Tire liners vs slime
dreh...@yahoo.com
the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any better.
Thnx
Phil, Squid-in-Training
Slime is messy and doesn't always work. Liners help. Thornproof tubes also
help a lot. Kevlar-resistant tires help some, although in my experience
they haven't. Using all at the same time should make you virtually
impenetrable.
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Phil, Squid-in-Training
John Forrest Tomlinson
>I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp on
>the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any better.
I have experience with Slime. I use Mr. Tuffies a lot and love them.
They do slow the bike a little.
JT
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Jeff Starr
It depends on what type of tire, and where you will be riding it.
I don't use any of it. Most of the time I do use a tire that is
considered flat resistant. Either with a kevlar belt or in
Continental's case "Duraskin".
Give us some more details.
Life is Good!
Jeff
Paul Cassel
through patches of cacti and have the needles sticking out the tire yet
have not flatted.
On my road bike which has neither, I flat regularly. Owell - the price
for speed, I suppose.
dreh...@yahoo.com
supported touring rig. I'm running conti TT's with tuffy liners, glass,
metal chips, nails in the roads are common. Can tuffys become displaced and
slice my tire? Decending down some hills at a high speed, and getting a
flat could be a serious problem.
<dreh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Collin O'Neill
only flat I got while using them was when I accidentally folded over the
end of one and it - sliced the tube. Oh and a pinch flat because I
neglected proper inflation. I never had a properly installed Mr. Tuffy
damage the tire.
Kevlar? Good, but not like the Tuffies. Sharp glass still cuts trhough
kevlar, but not easily through the thick Tuffy plastic.
Combine both? That's my current setup - I never have flats.
Sorry I can't vouch for Slime. I haven't needed to use it.
-Collin
Nate Knutson
dreh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I mainly cycle tour city streets, and light trails on a fully loaded self
> supported touring rig. I'm running conti TT's with tuffy liners, glass,
> metal chips, nails in the roads are common. Can tuffys become displaced and
> slice my tire? Decending down some hills at a high speed, and getting a
> flat could be a serious problem.
Tuffies very, very rarely cause flats. One theory, which I abide by
when installing them, is that they only or primarily cause flats when
their overlapping secion is oriented incorrectly relative to the
wheel's rotation. The idea is that they should be oriented so that when
you're looking at the bike from the left side, and the overlap is at
the 9 o'clock position, that the downwards-pointing end of the tire
liner will be on the outside, and that this will be gentler on the
tube. It makes sense and I've seen some tire liner flats caused by
having it oriented opposite, and none when it's oriented as described.
The other thing is that rim strips shouldn't be cut, because that can
also cause flats if the cut end contacts the tube.
Basically, if you ride Tuffies, you still need to carry a spare tube.
But you would need to even if there wasn't a question of them causing
flats.
Earl Bollinger
Slime, you cannot patch the tube should it get a flat.
The solvent causes the patch adhesive to dissolve over a period of time and
the patch comes loose on you. Plus the solvent that oozes out at the hole,
won't let the patch stick prperly either. I am amazed as to how many flats
one can get even with Slime as the hole is too big for Slime to seal OK.
When i was a kid on a kid's bike, Slime was the only thing to use and it
worked OK up to a point, eventually you had to replace the tube and or tire,
as you couldn't keep enough air in the tube to ride around the neighborhood
even.
I prefer using a good tire with kevlar or some other puncture resistant
layer inside. The Tuffy liners are good if you don't have those kinds of
tires. Good tubes are OK, but carry several spares and a patch kit etc.
If you are in a heavy thorn are one of the solid tire/tube items may be the
only way to go. There is also a company that makes solid tubes too, WalMart
sometimes has them in MTB sizes too. But these tend to make the wheels
heavier and that irks a lot of people, plus you lose some of the phuematic
air cushion effect riding over bumps and such. But it is a tradeoff that is
worth it in some cases.
Here is one compnay http://www.airfreetires.com/
Here is a airless tube compnay http://www.nomorflats.com/
dreh...@yahoo.com
something I never considered. A friend of mine crossed paths with a fellow
touring around america - http://www.northamericacyclingexpedition.com/ He's
running two tuffys in the rear tire he told him in that rear knobby tire
with no flats, the the front one has no liner, and he's had six flats. I bet
that rear wheel weighs a ton! Thank you for the tips everyone, I'm learning
alot
"Nate Knutson" <bike...@riseup.net> wrote in message
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RonSonic
>I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp on
>the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any better.
I have one bike with a stupidly difficult rim that makes removing a tire damn
near impossible - it has a pre-slimed tube. Otherwise I wouldn't bother with any
of that crap.
Ron
Keir
>>I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp
>>on
>>the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any
>>better.
RE: slime. note on slime, apparently only useful for casual riding.
Off-roading and fast speeds not compatible, dunno why, just what i read
(manufacturer recommendation)
EdgeRider
dreh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Really good point Nate, I'll have to check the overlap on the liners
> something I never considered. A friend of mine crossed paths with a fellow
> touring around america - http://www.northamericacyclingexpedition.com/ He's
> running two tuffys in the rear tire he told him in that rear knobby tire
> with no flats, the the front one has no liner, and he's had six flats. I bet
> that rear wheel weighs a ton! Thank you for the tips everyone, I'm learning
> alot
Hi drehus27...I am that rider...I had two tuffies in my rear tire since
Delaware on my current perimeter tour of the USA and Canada and have
not had one flat since. The only problem I had was hitting a hole which
had been dug out of the pavement to access a survey cap and my wheel
got dinked and had to replace it. But it wound up giving me a bunch of
spare spokes! I ride 700cx38's. I am a self-contained rider so I keep
tabs on the toatl weight factor for my rig...total 70-75lbs with
trailer included! It's capacity is 200lbs but I don't want to Beverly
Hillbilly it on this ride! :) Heading to San Diego from Ft. Meyers, FL.
Who was your friend? Maybe I will remember him. My email is on the
site.
Remember...Not wearing a helmet is NOT COOL...even on a motorcycle.
data...@yahoo.com
slime tubes are terrific but only work when used with liners-captures
the slime
use 2 liners!!!
slime tubes are repaired using superglue or NAPA cement-hang tube with
hole up for 3-4 days then repair gently
kevlar belts are de riguer-non kevlar belted tires are antiquo
the liner will keep a tube in when the kevlar belt seperates and holes
out from serious cuts
i did all this and ran over a grassly median avoiding dirt from
excavation-
and ripped the sidewall with a buried broken bottle....
Dave
I ride with him touring during the summer. Cheers
Dave
"EdgeRider" <mark...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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othyj...@gmail.com
years I've been changing flats. Every time I have changed a tire with
a tuffie strip in it, the tuffie strip has been the cause of the flat,
and normaly it's at the edge not at the end of the tuffie strip. Slime
also causes flats, or rather it causes valve problems. The slime is
suppost to work like your red blood cells do when you get a cut, small
fibers in the slime will build up around the leak, causing it to stop
leaking. The problem is those fibers get caught in your valve
(schreader only) and prevent it from being able to seal. As for
tuffies I don't belive that it would be a problem if any of those
people had inflated a their tires more then once in there lives. A
tire, tube, and rim are a very dynamic interface, in other words they
move around, if you've ever seen a wheel with the valve pointing to a
spoke on either side of it, that's why. As your tire losses air (all
tires lose air that is natrual) your tire creaps around and often pulls
the tube with it, that alone causes flats, insert a third object in
there and now you have a serious chafing issue. All the flats I've
seen from tuffie strips are not cuts so much as a chafe, ever rubbed a
whole in a piece of paper with an eraser (I have real serious grammer
and spelling issues, lmfao)? Well the same thing happens at the bottom
of your wheel when you ride. The side wall of your tire compresses
when it is under load. Use whatever you want to but I personally
charge over twice the normal rate when I have to deal with a slime
tube, and I flat out refuse to install tuffie strips. If you are
worried about getting flats use thorn-proof tubes, they are 18 times
thicker then normal tubes. Thorn-proof tubes are 4.5mm thick in the
center under the tread, and normal tubes are .25mm thick, that's a HUGE
diffrence. And you don't have to worry about getting slime in your
eye, or on your shoes. One of my friends dropped off his bike for some
brake work about 6 months after I talked him in to spending the extra
$6 for thorn-proof tubes, and in front of him I picked out 3 pieces of
glass and a wire from his rear tire, no flat. Other things you might
want to think about, riding in the gutter is just asking for a flat.
The draft from cars sweeps all the debris in the road to the side as
they pass, that means if you ride on a busy road in the "bike lane" or
in the gutter you are riding thru all the glass. If you notice you
just ran over a patch of broken glass, put your shoe on your tire as
you ride for a moment to brush it off, most pieces of glass do not
cause a flat as soon as you run them over, they stick and then every
time they hit the pavment they go in a little further. If you can find
a route that has less traffic, and ride down the middle of the lane you
will get less flats then someone who rides two blocks over in the "bike
lane".
p.s. I hate "bike lanes" what a joke.
-Tim
John Forrest Tomlinson
<othyj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I am a wrench, I have seen tuffie strips cause
> about 10-15 flats in the
> years I've been changing flats. Every time
> I have changed a tire with
> a tuffie strip in it, the tuffie strip has been the cause of the flat,
> and normaly it's at the edge not at the end of the tuffie strip.
I'm not a wrench. Guess I have been lucky as I've used Mr. Tuffies
for over 10 years with no problems at all....