LX DX XT XTR Confusion
Christopher William Goodman
components; Can anyone help me out? Thanks... Chris
Scott Erdman
According to my friend who is a mountain biking enthuiast:
The components are ranked from lowest to hightest :
DX, LX, XT, XTR
That's about all I know at this point.
Scott
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Eric Praetzel
>I am confused over the differences between LX, DX, XT, and XTR
The order that you have them in matches the pricing.
Generally DX is an "unfinished" version of XT while XTR is a very hyped up
version of XT. LX is a spruced up version of the Exage (200, 300, 400 ...)
groups.
Ex: LX crank = $65, XT crank = $126, XTR crank = $160
About pricing. Nashbar usually only carries LX and XT. One reason for not
having lower groups is that it is not worth it. LX only costs a bit more than
the cheaper stuff and works better. LX parts are generally 50% more expensive
than buying dept. store steel junk that you get on bottom of the line bikes.
- Eric
Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes
>
>According to my friend who is a mountain biking enthuiast:
>
>The components are ranked from lowest to hightest :
>
>DX, LX, XT, XTR
As far as I know the rank should be:
LX, DX, XT and XTR.
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Stuart Paynter
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|> According to my friend who is a mountain biking enthuiast:
|>
|> The components are ranked from lowest to hightest :
|>
|> DX, LX, XT, XTR
You have these two reversed (unless Shimano in all their wisdom has changed
the order).
Randy Schwarz
in 92 LX sucked. This year the LX groupo is a nice set of components.
according to MBA the LX groupo works as well as XTR, for a while... it
is not as durable as the XTR, but it is much cheaper.
also, the DX groupo has either been not recommended or its production
stopped by shimano since you won't find this groupo on any new production
bikes. DX used to be between LX and XT until this year, now there is no DX
in the 93 line.
XT is still a good groupo, and XTR is the best that shimano makes and you
pay for this too.
randy
John K. Chatten
is almost correct. The order for 1993 goes
exage, LX, DX, XT, and XTR. However, the new
LX is lighter than DX. It is not more durable
though.
Thomas Beagle
>
>According to my friend who is a mountain biking enthuiast:
>
>The components are ranked from lowest to hightest :
>
>DX, LX, XT, XTR
So, where does CX fit in all of this?
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Phillip D. Russell
>
>Ex: LX crank = $65, XT crank = $126, XTR crank = $160
>
>About pricing. Nashbar usually only carries LX and XT. One reason for not
>having lower groups is that it is not worth it. LX only costs a bit more than
>the cheaper stuff and works better. LX parts are generally 50% more expensive
>than buying dept. store steel junk that you get on bottom of the line bikes.
Problem is Nashbar only carries XT. It'd be cheaper to buy a new bike
that try to replace parts after winter commuting with XT parts.
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Stuart Paynter
|> In article <1jjg2e...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ce...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Erdman) writes:
|> >
|> >According to my friend who is a mountain biking enthuiast:
|> >
|> >The components are ranked from lowest to hightest :
|> >
|> >DX, LX, XT, XTR
|>
|> So, where does CX fit in all of this?
I think that CX is the hybrid-specific groupset (if my memory serves me
correctly).
Stu
David Mackintosh
>I think that CX is the hybrid-specific groupset (if my memory serves me
>correctly).
This is correct, but I wonder what the price is or whether parts will
be available individually. The CX crank is polished and looks almost
as good as XTR. The brakes are similar to LX but silver, much better
looking.
David Mackintosh
Mark Chandler
The CX groups (400 & 700) are the only groups (so far, remember how
the double-pivot brakes were introduced on the lower lines) that
feature the down-sized chainrings (ala MicroDrive). My guess is that
we'll see this trickle up/down to other groups in '94.
I'm nearly positive that the CX brakes are LX brakes w/a different
finish. Of course, getting Shimano to admit this is pretty hard.
The CX stuff is quite nice. The 700 group is being used on several
manufacturers' top-of-the-line hybrids. _Crosswords_ is hoping to
test some 700-equipped bikes in the very near future.
>David Mackintosh
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Terry Thiel
Boy is this wrong. I just received my 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 which comes
with DX components. DX has not been discontinued by any means. It is offered
on a large number of 1993 bikes although the new LX is on more. IMHO
DX beats the hell out of painted LX unless you really want Rapidfailure Plus.
Even then you can get that on DX if you must.
-Terry
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Allan McNaughton
1992: LX, DX, XT, XTR
1993: DX, XT, LX, XTR (bet i'll get flamed for this one...)
The 1993 LX group uses many design tricks they learned when building the
XTR line. Not as well finished or durable as XTR. MBA likes it, I like
it on my bike...
In article <1jjg2e...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Erdman) writes:
|>
Terry Thiel
>Shimano groups in order of quality...
>1992: LX, DX, XT, XTR
>1993: DX, XT, LX, XTR (bet i'll get flamed for this one...)
>The 1993 LX group uses many design tricks they learned when building the
>XTR line. Not as well finished or durable as XTR. MBA likes it, I like
>it on my bike...
You forgot to mention that LX is not as well finished or durable as DX or XT
either. Of course if you have an LX bike then thats a strong incentive to
defend it...
-Terry
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scott dexter
|> I am confused over the differences between LX, DX, XT, and XTR
|> components; Can anyone help me out? Thanks... Chris
There is an article in a recent (Jan?) issue of either Mountain Biking or
Mountain Bike Action (great help, eh?) that discusses the performance
differences between Deore LX and XTR.
Basically, save the $$$$ and buy LX.
While, I'm here-- Anyone have opinions about long vs. short cages on rear
derailluers (make a difference?) ???
Scott
scott dexter
|> In article <christog....@sfu.ca>, chri...@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher William Goodman) writes:
|> |> I am confused over the differences between LX, DX, XT, and XTR
|> |> components; Can anyone help me out? Thanks... Chris
|>
|>
|> There is an article in a recent (Jan?) issue of either Mountain Biking or
|> Mountain Bike Action (great help, eh?) that discusses the performance
|> differences between Deore LX and XTR.
|>
I'm SOOOOO sorry-- I meant DX
Scott
M.J.Davis
>Boy is this wrong. I just received my 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 which comes
>with DX components.
Wow! I never knew Terry was thinking of getting a 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 with
DX components! Anyone hear about this before?
:-) :-) :-) :-)
Sorry, Terry, couldn't resist it. btw, does anyone know of any plans to
distribute Bridgestones here in the UK? I think you used to be able to get
them, but I've never seen one in the metal. They look like good bikes with
reassuringly imaginative component spec's. I'm sure a lot of people here
would be interested.
Just a thought...
Mikey D
Terry Thiel
>In article <C17tr...@cs.uiuc.edu> tth...@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
> >Boy is this wrong. I just received my 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 which comes
> >with DX components.
>Wow! I never knew Terry was thinking of getting a 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 with
>DX components! Anyone hear about this before?
>:-) :-) :-) :-)
Yeah, even I am getting sick of this!
>Sorry, Terry, couldn't resist it. btw, does anyone know of any plans to
>distribute Bridgestones here in the UK? I think you used to be able to get
>them, but I've never seen one in the metal. They look like good bikes with
>reassuringly imaginative component spec's. I'm sure a lot of people here
>would be interested.
Bridgestone is not a high-volume company and doens't appear to be interested
in becoming one. The bikes they sell in the U.S. are desgined and spec'ed
for this market. The bikes they sell in Japan are designed for that market.
I wouldn't expect to see them in the U.K. anytime soon. Have you seen their
catalog? It's a good read.
-Terry
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Lee Hetherington
tth...@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
You forgot to mention that LX is not as well finished or durable as DX or XT
either. Of course if you have an LX bike then thats a strong incentive to
defend it...
-Terry
Terry: ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH!
I'm really getting tired of your "DX is better than LX because its not
painted and because that's what Bridgestone puts on my bicycle"
attitude. The other day you stated how '92 LX sucks (unqualified).
I'm sorry, but I have '92 LX on my bicycle because that's all I could
afford and I bought it in '92. I think its ridiculuous that you're
running around bashing the equipment of others, and, quite frankly,
I'm offended. Maybe many of us can't afford better than LX. Maybe
you think the price difference between DX and LX is worth it. Maybe
others think the price difference between XTR and XT and DX is worth
it. Maybe we don't have as much money as you. Maybe we have more
money than you. Maybe...
Terry, in case you haven't noticed, because you own a Bridgestone,
you're always the first to defend/worship them. (And, because you own
DX, it has the ultimate price/performance tradeoff.) You'll be happy
to know that my wife bought a Bridgestone this fall. But, alas, it
only has an Exage drivetrain. According to you, Bridgestone doesn't
put junk on their bicycles. According to you LX sucks. If
Exage < LX <<<<<<< DX
than what in the world is Bridgestone doing even messing with anything
less than DX.
Sorry, Terry and the rest of you, but I just boiled over. Wow, I feel
a lot better know.
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Terry Thiel
>I'm really getting tired of your "DX is better than LX because its not
>painted and because that's what Bridgestone puts on my bicycle"
>attitude. The other day you stated how '92 LX sucks (unqualified).
>I'm sorry, but I have '92 LX on my bicycle because that's all I could
>afford and I bought it in '92. I think its ridiculuous that you're
>running around bashing the equipment of others, and, quite frankly,
>I'm offended. Maybe many of us can't afford better than LX. Maybe
>you think the price difference between DX and LX is worth it. Maybe
>others think the price difference between XTR and XT and DX is worth
Grow up! You obviously didn't read my posts. I did not say that LX
sucks. I said there are some things I don't like about the group.
I've also criticized Bridgestone as well as supported them. As far as
price difference the DX bike I bought is the same price as alot of LX
bikes so it's not a matter of who has the most money
>you're always the first to defend/worship them. (And, because you own
>DX, it has the ultimate price/performance tradeoff.) You'll be happy
>to know that my wife bought a Bridgestone this fall. But, alas, it
>only has an Exage drivetrain. According to you, Bridgestone doesn't
>put junk on their bicycles. According to you LX sucks. If
> Exage < LX <<<<<<< DX
>than what in the world is Bridgestone doing even messing with anything
>less than DX.
What I have said is that in the smae price range Bridgestone generally
has better components on their bikes than other manufacturers.
Get a grip.
-Terry
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Curt Simkins
|> In article <C18Gs...@cs.uiuc.edu>
|> tth...@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
|> You forgot to mention that LX is not as well finished or durable as DX or XT
|> either. Of course if you have an LX bike then thats a strong incentive to
|> defend it...
|> -Terry
|>
|> Terry: ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH!
|>
|> I'm really getting tired of your "DX is better than LX because its not
|> painted and because that's what Bridgestone puts on my bicycle"
STUFF DELETED......
|>
|> Terry, in case you haven't noticed, because you own a Bridgestone,
|> you're always the first to defend/worship them. (And, because you own
|> DX, it has the ultimate price/performance tradeoff.) You'll be happy
|> to know that my wife bought a Bridgestone this fall. But, alas, it
|> only has an Exage drivetrain. According to you, Bridgestone doesn't
|> put junk on their bicycles. According to you LX sucks. If
|>
|> Exage < LX <<<<<<< DX
|>
|> than what in the world is Bridgestone doing even messing with anything
|> less than DX.
|>
|> Sorry, Terry and the rest of you, but I just boiled over. Wow, I feel
|> a lot better know.
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|>
|> Lee Hetherington
|> i...@lcs.mit.edu
Don't feel too bad Lee, I think you just boiled over for a few
of us..........Well said.
Terry,
It might help if you started using the "Reply" mode instead of the
"Followup" mode and spare us the redundancy.
Thanks,
Curt
Lee Hetherington
came right out and said "92 LX sucked", but you were thinking it :-)
Here is the quote that I was thinking about:
In article <2B5D96...@news.service.uci.edu>
sch...@nucleus.ps.uci.edu (Randy Schwarz) writes:
Shimano did a confusing thing this year. they reorganized the groupos.
in 92 LX sucked. This year the LX groupo is a nice set of components....
We're all entitled to our opinions. Me too. I really hate it when
people are so negative about other people's equipment. Why not "93 LX
is much improved over the 92 version" and leave the "sucks" out of it?
Enough of me being a baby...I need to get up on the right side of the
bed tomorrow.
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Terry Thiel
>Sorry Terry, I got my attributions wrong. You weren't the one that
>came right out and said "92 LX sucked", but you were thinking it :-)
>Here is the quote that I was thinking about:
Coolness.
>Enough of me being a baby...I need to get up on the right side of the
>bed tomorrow.
I've pretty much had it with this discussion myself. I only got back into
it becasue a number of people said DX is no longer made or spec'ed on new
bikes. I'll resist the temptation next time.
-Terry
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Phillip D. Russell
>
>Terry, in case you haven't noticed, because you own a Bridgestone,
>you're always the first to defend/worship them. (And, because you own
>DX, it has the ultimate price/performance tradeoff.) You'll be happy
>to know that my wife bought a Bridgestone this fall. But, alas, it
>only has an Exage drivetrain. According to you, Bridgestone doesn't
>put junk on their bicycles. According to you LX sucks. If
>
> Exage < LX <<<<<<< DX
>
>than what in the world is Bridgestone doing even messing with anything
>less than DX.
>
I pissed that I can't find the cheap Exage components anymore. I made
the mistake of forking out the money for XT hubs just to have a
different part of the hub fail each winter. The original Exage hubs
are still in perfect condition and working great after fours years
of all-weather commuting.
Theodore Chen
>in 92 LX sucked. This year the LX groupo is a nice set of components.
what's bad about the '92 LX group? is it related to durability or
to function?
-teddy
Michael Haker
> I pissed that I can't find the cheap Exage components anymore. I made
> the mistake of forking out the money for XT hubs just to have a
> different part of the hub fail each winter. The original Exage hubs
> are still in perfect condition and working great after fours years
> of all-weather commuting.
>
> Flip
I've also got exage on my cummuting bike (which is making it through its
second Wisconsin winter right now with only minor problems; in sub
freezing weather something is freezing somewhere so I can't shift to
smaller gears which requires the spring tension of the rear derailleur to
do the shifting).
My questions: Are there any non-cartridge mountain bike hubs out there
which would be compatible with a shimano freewheel? Can you still buy
Shimano freewheels? Is there anything special about Hyperglide compatible
derailleurs that require them to be used with hyperglide gears? Or can
one rebuild a cartridge hub, and how hard is it (probably not as simple as
getting a bag of bearings and some grease)?
Mike Haker
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Matt Garretson
>the mistake of forking out the money for XT hubs just to have a
>different part of the hub fail each winter. The original Exage hubs
>are still in perfect condition and working great after fours years
>of all-weather commuting.
In the February issue of Bicycle Guide, they have their top $700 suspension
mountain bikes listed, and many of them have the Exage group. Maybe these
bikes are below your range, but the groups still seem to exist.
BTW, for a commuter bike, would it be better to go with cheaper exage,
with the idea that replacements will cheap, or to go with pricier LX or
DX with the hopes that they will last longer?
Phillip D. Russell
>In article <C1An3...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> fl...@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell) writes:
>>I pissed that I can't find the cheap Exage components anymore. I made
>>the mistake of forking out the money for XT hubs just to have a
>>different part of the hub fail each winter. The original Exage hubs
>>are still in perfect condition and working great after fours years
>>of all-weather commuting.
>
>In the February issue of Bicycle Guide, they have their top $700 suspension
>mountain bikes listed, and many of them have the Exage group. Maybe these
>bikes are below your range, but the groups still seem to exist.
>
That's ok. I'm looking for individual components. Sure, I can get
Exage parts at the local bike shop, but it'd be cheaper to get some
LX out of Nashbar.
I'd prefer that Nashbar or Performance would continue to carry the
Exage parts.
>BTW, for a commuter bike, would it be better to go with cheaper exage,
>with the idea that replacements will cheap, or to go with pricier LX or
>DX with the hopes that they will last longer?
Well, as I stated in the previous post, I'm biased against the pricier
parts because my cheaper parts have laster longer.
Joshua_Putnam
>My questions: Are there any non-cartridge mountain bike hubs out there
>which would be compatible with a shimano freewheel?
Any threaded hub will take a freewheel with the same thread
standard, so it's really a question of the other specifications
-- spacing, width, holes, etc. I'd expect you could find
suitable hubs, but lots of shops have stopped carrying good
quality freewheel hubs with loose bearings.
>Can you still buy
>Shimano freewheels?
It's getting hard to find high-quality freewheels, but you can
still get them.
>Is there anything special about Hyperglide compatible
>derailleurs that require them to be used with hyperglide gears? Or can
>one rebuild a cartridge hub, and how hard is it (probably not as simple as
>getting a bag of bearings and some grease)?
It's simpler but harder -- all you usually need to do is take out
the axle and pull the cartridges whole then replace them with new
ones. Simple, in that you only replace 2 parts instead of two
dozen, but hard if you aren't used to pulling and pressing
cartridge bearings. Once you get the hang of it, bearing
replacement can be pretty quick -- I've done it in under 10
minutes on the trail.
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Feb issue-- they have a comparison between Deore LX and XTR
Article summary:: save $$ and buy LX (for most of us weekend warriors) ...
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>... BTW, for a commuter bike, would it be better to go with cheaper exage,
>with the idea that replacements will cheap, or to go with pricier LX or
>DX with the hopes that they will last longer?
Go with SunTour. You'll pay less for the better duarability--
and greater intergroup compatibility and more liklihood of finding
replacement parts years down the road.
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