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Tom Kunich
Sep 30, 2023, 2:57:08 PM9/30/23
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I am told that Liebermann is stalking me again. How do you suppose that he can obtain my Ebay account information?
Jeff Liebermann
Sep 30, 2023, 4:28:18 PM9/30/23
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 11:57:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I am told that Liebermann is stalking me again.
Nobody told you anything except perhaps the voices in your head. I'm
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I am told that Liebermann is stalking me again.
not stalking you. I'm drawing attention to your errors and actually
trying to be helpful. Your illusions of being stalked could easily be
paranoia or a persecution complex. You seem to have most of the
required symptoms:
"What Are Persecutory Delusions?"
<https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/persecutory-delusions#examples>
>How do you suppose that he can obtain my Ebay account information?
it looks like you are now using a different account. I deduced that
you bought this frame by looking at the sold items list:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/394747369993>
from the name of the frame maker, frame size that you previously
posted, date you purchased it, and a very simple search of sold items
on eBay. None of that had your name, account information, or what you
paid included.
You're allegedly worth millions of dollars but you haggle over a very
used steel frame (with carbon chain stays)? If you were actually
worth millions, you could have easily bought a better frame on which
to build your dream bicycle.
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
John B.
Sep 30, 2023, 7:04:22 PM9/30/23
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>I am told that Liebermann is stalking me again. How do you suppose that he can obtain my Ebay account information?
No Tommy, Jeff isn't "stocking" you. He is "ridiculing" you. Because,
of course, because you are ridiculous.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Rolf Mantel
Oct 4, 2023, 10:59:39 AM10/4/23
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Am 30.09.2023 um 22:28 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
> You're allegedly worth millions of dollars but you haggle over a very
> used steel frame (with carbon chain stays)?
This kind of person is not unknown also amongst my aquaintances: worth a
> You're allegedly worth millions of dollars but you haggle over a very
> used steel frame (with carbon chain stays)?
fair bit (well over 1 million but rarely more than 10 million dollars),
but never spending any 'unnecessary' money.
They show up at a farmers' market 10 minutes before closing time and buy
the 'end of day' special offers. They wear 15-year old jeans and a
ragged shirt rather than buying new stuff.
When they die and all neighbors think they were short of money, the
heirs find out that they owned a couple of houses and a nice little
depot of shares.
Rolf
William Crowell
Oct 4, 2023, 11:13:54 AM10/4/23
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Now Tom, play nice with Jeff, please. He is a nice person.
Catrike Rider
Oct 4, 2023, 11:44:38 AM10/4/23
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 08:13:52 -0700 (PDT), William Crowell
<retrog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Now Tom, play nice with Jeff, please. He is a nice person.
+1
<retrog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Now Tom, play nice with Jeff, please. He is a nice person.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 4, 2023, 12:33:48 PM10/4/23
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 16:59:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <ne...@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
>Am 30.09.2023 um 22:28 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
>> You're allegedly worth millions of dollars but you haggle over a very
>> used steel frame (with carbon chain stays)?
>This kind of person is not unknown also amongst my aquaintances: worth a
>fair bit (well over 1 million but rarely more than 10 million dollars),
>but never spending any 'unnecessary' money.
>
>They show up at a farmers' market 10 minutes before closing time and buy
>the 'end of day' special offers. They wear 15-year old jeans and a
>ragged shirt rather than buying new stuff.
When I was in the computah repair business, I did work for a few such
people. There were also a few friends of my parents that were similar
when we lived next to Beverly Hills. Most had gone through various
hard times (depression, WWII) and simply continued to live in an
economical manner. A few did not want to attract attention, probably
because the source of their wealth was not socially acceptable at the
time or were afraid of being kidnapped. One of my father's friends
had two types of automobiles. One was very expensive luxury car for
special occasions. The other was a nondescript ordinary car, with an
engine and running gear that could outrun just about anything.
One think that all of them had in common was that they knew when it
was necessary to stop acting impoverished and spend some real money.
Most were generous with charities, as long as their name was not
mentioned. When I complained that I was tired of fixing a piece of
junk computer and it was time for them to buy a new machine, the money
for doing it right was immediately available. I'm doing that right
now. One of my long time customers finally decided to replace his
ancient Windoze XP computers with something more modern. I cut a few
corners to impress him that I was saving him some money, but basically
he understood it was time to stop "saving money" and do things
correctly.
I guess I fit in the "15 year old jeans and a ragged shirt" category.
If I wear clothes like a millionaire in disguise, perhaps I'll
magically become a millionaire? Recently, a friend complained that I
was wearing what they considered to rags. I wasn't wearing rags, but
they were old and were originally bought in the 1970. I still had
some clothes in the closet that I wore in college (1960's). Most had
been patched, altered, cleaned with acetone, etc. Time for an image
transplant.
Most of the local department stores are either closed, over-charge for
clothes or sell poor quality. I bought some fairly good pants at
Costco but the rest I ordered online from Amazon and eBay. What has
arrived so far will make excellent shop rags suitable for wiping a dip
stick. That's the problem with buying online. I don't really know
what I'm buying until it arrives.
>When they die and all neighbors think they were short of money, the
>heirs find out that they owned a couple of houses and a nice little
>depot of shares.
I saw that happen several times. When I bought my house in about
1973, there was the proverbial "little olde lady" living alone nearby.
Her house was a maintenance nightmare and smelled of dog droppings.
She cooked on a 100 year old wood burning stove. I did what I could
but found it difficult when it took several days to get rid the stench
from working in her house. She eventually caught ALS and mercifully
died. That's when I discovered that she was worth many millions. She
went through 3 husbands in that house, one of whom founded a very
large construction company. After that, I found it useful to casually
investigate the net worth of my customers.
wrote:
>Am 30.09.2023 um 22:28 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
>> You're allegedly worth millions of dollars but you haggle over a very
>> used steel frame (with carbon chain stays)?
>This kind of person is not unknown also amongst my aquaintances: worth a
>fair bit (well over 1 million but rarely more than 10 million dollars),
>but never spending any 'unnecessary' money.
>
>They show up at a farmers' market 10 minutes before closing time and buy
>the 'end of day' special offers. They wear 15-year old jeans and a
>ragged shirt rather than buying new stuff.
people. There were also a few friends of my parents that were similar
when we lived next to Beverly Hills. Most had gone through various
hard times (depression, WWII) and simply continued to live in an
economical manner. A few did not want to attract attention, probably
because the source of their wealth was not socially acceptable at the
time or were afraid of being kidnapped. One of my father's friends
had two types of automobiles. One was very expensive luxury car for
special occasions. The other was a nondescript ordinary car, with an
engine and running gear that could outrun just about anything.
One think that all of them had in common was that they knew when it
was necessary to stop acting impoverished and spend some real money.
Most were generous with charities, as long as their name was not
mentioned. When I complained that I was tired of fixing a piece of
junk computer and it was time for them to buy a new machine, the money
for doing it right was immediately available. I'm doing that right
now. One of my long time customers finally decided to replace his
ancient Windoze XP computers with something more modern. I cut a few
corners to impress him that I was saving him some money, but basically
he understood it was time to stop "saving money" and do things
correctly.
I guess I fit in the "15 year old jeans and a ragged shirt" category.
If I wear clothes like a millionaire in disguise, perhaps I'll
magically become a millionaire? Recently, a friend complained that I
was wearing what they considered to rags. I wasn't wearing rags, but
they were old and were originally bought in the 1970. I still had
some clothes in the closet that I wore in college (1960's). Most had
been patched, altered, cleaned with acetone, etc. Time for an image
transplant.
Most of the local department stores are either closed, over-charge for
clothes or sell poor quality. I bought some fairly good pants at
Costco but the rest I ordered online from Amazon and eBay. What has
arrived so far will make excellent shop rags suitable for wiping a dip
stick. That's the problem with buying online. I don't really know
what I'm buying until it arrives.
>When they die and all neighbors think they were short of money, the
>heirs find out that they owned a couple of houses and a nice little
>depot of shares.
1973, there was the proverbial "little olde lady" living alone nearby.
Her house was a maintenance nightmare and smelled of dog droppings.
She cooked on a 100 year old wood burning stove. I did what I could
but found it difficult when it took several days to get rid the stench
from working in her house. She eventually caught ALS and mercifully
died. That's when I discovered that she was worth many millions. She
went through 3 husbands in that house, one of whom founded a very
large construction company. After that, I found it useful to casually
investigate the net worth of my customers.
AMuzi
Oct 4, 2023, 12:41:07 PM10/4/23
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are an unappreciated treasure.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Tom Kunich
Oct 4, 2023, 1:47:44 PM10/4/23
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Tom Kunich
Oct 4, 2023, 1:56:02 PM10/4/23
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On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 8:13:54 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> Now Tom, play nice with Jeff, please. He is a nice person.
Jeff is not a nice person and a perfect example of why Jews were hated in all of Europe. Most were OK but enough of them were like Liebermann, that worthless POS that Hitler didn't have to work hard to condemn them all to death. He couldn't hold a job in the hottest job market in the entire world. What does that tell you about his personality?
> Now Tom, play nice with Jeff, please. He is a nice person.
Tom Kunich
Oct 4, 2023, 1:59:00 PM10/4/23
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Frank Krygowski
Oct 4, 2023, 2:24:07 PM10/4/23
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--
- Frank Krygowski
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 4, 2023, 3:11:36 PM10/4/23
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:41:03 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>I never got the store-bought clothing habit. Thrift stores
>are an unappreciated treasure.
Agreed
>I never got the store-bought clothing habit. Thrift stores
>are an unappreciated treasure.
Did you mean bought as in buy???? My father owned a lingerie
manufacturing company in Smog Angeles. He would trade his merchandise
(mostly lingerie) for clothes for me. Mostly, they were rejects
stolen from the local downtown manufacturers. Everything had
something wrong with it. I soon learned to do proper alterations and
changes. For example, the fashion of the time was pants without
belts. I hated that, so I added my own belt loops. My father usually
arranged for my clothes to be one size too large. I would "take in"
the shirt or pants to fit by adding pleats (folds) that would later be
removed as gained weight. That's why I'm still wearing 50 year old
clothes. Every time I would visit the parents, there would be a pile
of rejects waiting for me. Incidentally, my mother was a seamstress
that alterations for wealthy clients in our house.
My parents didn't live forever and I eventually was forced to pay real
money for clothes. In Los Angeles, I would occasionally buy something
from the surplus stores. In Ben Lomond, I discovered the local thrift
shops, which were well stocked with oversized clothes that could be
altered. If I saw something I liked, I would buy and do the
alterations as needed. Instead of washing my pants, I would just grab
another pair, do some quick alterations and ironing. Eventually, I
built up an inventory:
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/iUjxYP9JTdbTEwMK8>
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/yqUiSwoCEvMMgpx48>
Hauling stuff home from the local thrift stores is one of my favorite
pastimes.
<https://www.theabbotsthrift.org>
<https://greybears.org/thrift-store/>
When I was driving back and forth between Santa Cruz and Los Angeles,
I would stop at my favorite thrift shops. When many of these stores
closed due to Covid, I was seriously depressed.
To save money, I've also been cutting my own hair. I became fairly
proficient at it, but there were some disasters as I was still
learning.
AMuzi
Oct 4, 2023, 3:30:08 PM10/4/23
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But yes, much my own experience. Since there are no proper
one-inch ties in thrift stores ( those guys died too long
ago) I started making them this year. A big box of premium
silk ties in too-fat is $10, they are easily disassembled
and resewn.
Catrike Rider
Oct 4, 2023, 3:35:12 PM10/4/23
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 12:11:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
I get my clothes from outlet stores, and wear them until their so worn
that my wife throw them away when I'm not looking. I'm definately not
impressed by the fools that dress to impress. I do have biking
clothes, (from Amazon) but none of them are *real* biking clothes, and
most of them have holes or are patched.
I also started cutting my own hair right after I retired, back in
1998. First it was long and shaggy, I cut it with scissors, wore a
pony tail for a while... now it's buzz cut whenever I get around to
it.
wrote:
that my wife throw them away when I'm not looking. I'm definately not
impressed by the fools that dress to impress. I do have biking
clothes, (from Amazon) but none of them are *real* biking clothes, and
most of them have holes or are patched.
I also started cutting my own hair right after I retired, back in
1998. First it was long and shaggy, I cut it with scissors, wore a
pony tail for a while... now it's buzz cut whenever I get around to
it.
William Crowell
Oct 4, 2023, 3:40:04 PM10/4/23
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LiCfuhy5pZ0s95wjiwE37zAF7sxI3LWw/view?usp=sharing
Catrike Rider
Oct 4, 2023, 3:40:30 PM10/4/23
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daughter's wedding. I wore it again for a funeral. I think I still
have it somewhere.
Tom Kunich
Oct 4, 2023, 4:10:07 PM10/4/23
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John B.
Oct 4, 2023, 6:13:08 PM10/4/23
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 10:56:00 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 8:13:54?AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>> Now Tom, play nice with Jeff, please. He is a nice person.
>
>Jeff is not a nice person and a perfect example of why Jews were hated in all of Europe. Most were OK but enough of them were like Liebermann, that worthless POS that Hitler didn't have to work hard to condemn them all to death. He couldn't hold a job in the hottest job market in the entire world. What does that tell you about his personality?
Goodness Gracious. So much revilement for a guy that does nothing but
tell the truth about you and your lies.
If you are going to insult everyone that tells the truth about you,
your remarks and your lies you certainly have your work cut out for
you. Everybody that posts here?
Yes Sir! Mister 65 miles an hour down the road dodging the tree roots!
--
Cheers,
John B.
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 8:13:54?AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>> Now Tom, play nice with Jeff, please. He is a nice person.
>
>Jeff is not a nice person and a perfect example of why Jews were hated in all of Europe. Most were OK but enough of them were like Liebermann, that worthless POS that Hitler didn't have to work hard to condemn them all to death. He couldn't hold a job in the hottest job market in the entire world. What does that tell you about his personality?
tell the truth about you and your lies.
If you are going to insult everyone that tells the truth about you,
your remarks and your lies you certainly have your work cut out for
you. Everybody that posts here?
Yes Sir! Mister 65 miles an hour down the road dodging the tree roots!
--
Cheers,
John B.
Roger Meriman
Oct 4, 2023, 7:03:13 PM10/4/23
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difference ie less chafing of materials. Plus posture so cycling kit
probably wouldn’t be the best choice?
Being off-road the baggies shorts do take fair bit of punishment, tend to
eventually just wear though, I did use some more casual shorts for the
commute but even then they didn’t last long at all!
Though the MTB stuff isn’t particularly expensive mainly as it’s focused on
durability than being lightweight, ie Endura baggies shorts which are the
shorts to beat see also Five tens for flats and are quite a bit cheaper and
heavier weight than say Rapha MTB shorts which are more expensive and
lighter. I’d expect them to be better in warmer drier conditions but be
surprised if they lasted as well in wetter conditions, ie the muck/grit is
fairly abrasive.
This said I do like the Rapha tech t shirts ie Lycra t shirts so a much
looser cut which I prefer. Though tend to wait for offers than full price!
This said good quality clothes do seem to make the difference, is that
quote about buy cheap buy twice! Hence waiting for offers!
> I also started cutting my own hair right after I retired, back in
> 1998. First it was long and shaggy, I cut it with scissors, wore a
> pony tail for a while... now it's buzz cut whenever I get around to
> it.
>
Catrike Rider
Oct 4, 2023, 7:45:46 PM10/4/23
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 23:03:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
wrote:
I have always had trouble with chafing. it's different on the Catrike
than it was on diamond frame saddles. On the DF, the seats were the
problem, on the Catrike, the problem is that the only bottoms that
don't ride up are tight ankle length. They're not suitable for 90+
degree temperatures.
>Being off-road the baggies shorts do take fair bit of punishment, tend to
>eventually just wear though, I did use some more casual shorts for the
>commute but even then they didn’t last long at all!
On the Catrike, or any recumbents, baggie shorts make ideal insect
collectors.
wrote:
than it was on diamond frame saddles. On the DF, the seats were the
problem, on the Catrike, the problem is that the only bottoms that
don't ride up are tight ankle length. They're not suitable for 90+
degree temperatures.
>Being off-road the baggies shorts do take fair bit of punishment, tend to
>eventually just wear though, I did use some more casual shorts for the
>commute but even then they didn’t last long at all!
collectors.
John B.
Oct 4, 2023, 8:37:19 PM10/4/23
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She really didn't know how and for a couple of months I looked fairly
ragged but now she's learned and it looks pretty good these days (:-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 9, 2023, 1:20:11 PM10/9/23
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>On 10/4/2023 2:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> To save money, I've also been cutting my own hair. I became fairly
>> proficient at it, but there were some disasters as I was still
>> learning.
>
>No comments on haircut. I don't know a thing about that.
Do the math. I've been cutting my own hair for about 50 years. At
>> To save money, I've also been cutting my own hair. I became fairly
>> proficient at it, but there were some disasters as I was still
>> learning.
>
>No comments on haircut. I don't know a thing about that.
the time I started, haircuts were about $5 (excluding the obligatory
10% tip). Today, Supercuts charges $12 for a senior haircut and $20
for non-seniors. I would get haircuts or trims every 2 to 4 weeks or
an average of 150 haircuts per year. That would be a very rough
average of $10 per haircut, times about 130 haircuts per year (because
I tended to skip haircuts):
50 years * 130 cuts/year * $10/cut = $65,000
saved by cutting my own hair. Add 10% for the tip. A more realistic
number would probably be somewhat less, but even so, it's a
substantial savings.
>But yes, much my own experience. Since there are no proper
>one-inch ties in thrift stores ( those guys died too long
>ago) I started making them this year. A big box of premium
>silk ties in too-fat is $10, they are easily disassembled
>and resewn.
ties":
<https://www.google.com/search?q=western+style+skinny+ties&tbm=isch>
However, you're right that they're hard to find. Narrow ties look
terrible when worn with wide collars and wide lapels.
You're correct that it's easy to convert wide ties into narrow ties.
Just turn the tie inside out, exposing the stitching, and restitch it
into a narrower pattern. Trim off the excess, turn the tie back to
right side out, iron and you're done. (Don't use a steam iron on silk
ties). There are other ways to do it. See videos below.
I inherited most of my dress ties from my father. One could easily
recognize the owners of the garment factories in Smog Angeles. White
shirt and tie in whatever was fashionable when they started the
business. For my father's uniform, that was in the style of the late
1950's. Therefore, I inherited from my father a collection of much
too wide ties that required surgical adjustment to be considered
wearable. The tricky parts for me were hand stitching a straight line
and keeping the lining and padding flat. My initial failures looked
like I was wearing a wrinkled snake.
Today, I would look for a YouTube video. In order of decreasing
complexity:
"How to Make a Skinny Tie from a Wide Tie - DIY Full Sewing Tutorial"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=DFCptH_0lkA> (11:16)
"How to make a skinny tie from a fat tie"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7n7jbbhmNE> (9:15)
"How To Turn A Fat Tie To Slim/Skinny Tie DIY (EASY/NO SEWING NEEDED)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQVjVquArFk> (5:55)
AMuzi
Oct 9, 2023, 1:49:49 PM10/9/23
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We do, however, share a lifetime cash expense for haircuts
of zero.
sms
Oct 9, 2023, 2:58:53 PM10/9/23
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On 10/4/2023 5:13 PM, John B. wrote:
<snip>
> Goodness Gracious. So much revilement for a guy that does nothing but
> tell the truth about you and your lies.
Tom is super jealous of Jeff for multiple reasons including Jeff's
engineering degree and his success in running his own company for many
years.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
<snip>
> Goodness Gracious. So much revilement for a guy that does nothing but
> tell the truth about you and your lies.
engineering degree and his success in running his own company for many
years.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
Tom Kunich
Oct 9, 2023, 3:43:27 PM10/9/23
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Jeff has an engineering degree? Then why couldn't he get a job in the hottest job market for EE's in the world? Could it be because his degree was not recognized as such? That my high school degree was thought more highly of than someone that learned all about vacuum tubes 10 years after they are obsolete? Sort of like Slocomb being a crew chief on a bomber that was never active.
Seems like very Slowcomb who could only support himself by living in a cheap foreign country where his military retirement is worth barely supporting him, has a real problem with people that made a fortune in Silicon Valley while his bestest pals Flunky and Liebermann have been nothing more than failures. Well, maybe Flunky isn't a failure, but he is so far from being a success that he might as well be,
Hey John, what's it like to be at death's door and have nothing on your mind but lies?
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 9, 2023, 3:46:53 PM10/9/23
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 13:58:46 -0500, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:
>On 10/4/2023 5:13 PM, John B. wrote:
><snip>
>
>> Goodness Gracious. So much revilement for a guy that does nothing but
>> tell the truth about you and your lies.
>Tom is super jealous of Jeff for multiple reasons including Jeff's
>engineering degree and his success in running his own company for many
>years.
Tom isn't jealous of me. What Tom is looking for is self-esteem.
<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/self-esteem>
He looks in a mirror and doesn't like what he sees. I suspect that's
common enough as we all become older and discover that our goals,
aspirations, plans, illusions, etc for the future are probably not
going to happen. I have the same problem and deal with it by making
new and different plans, goals, etc for my future. Not quite what I
wanted, but still functional.
Tom hasn't done anything different for many years. He does the same
things over and over and still expects different results. Instead of
achievements, Tom replaces them will illusions. Why bother working
hard at learning something new, when he can simply lie and claim that
he has already achieved some achievements? It apparently has worked
well for Tom, because he has manufactured so many bogus achievements,
that even Tom gets them confused. Three different degrees in
navigation from three universities which he obviously never attended?
Some under the safety helmet is a brain in hiding, which doesn't like
what he sees in the mirror. The mirror is Tom's "Picture of Dorian
Gray" where the reality that Tom sees in the mirror is very different
from the illusion he has so carefully contrived.
wrote:
>On 10/4/2023 5:13 PM, John B. wrote:
><snip>
>
>> Goodness Gracious. So much revilement for a guy that does nothing but
>> tell the truth about you and your lies.
>Tom is super jealous of Jeff for multiple reasons including Jeff's
>engineering degree and his success in running his own company for many
>years.
<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/self-esteem>
He looks in a mirror and doesn't like what he sees. I suspect that's
common enough as we all become older and discover that our goals,
aspirations, plans, illusions, etc for the future are probably not
going to happen. I have the same problem and deal with it by making
new and different plans, goals, etc for my future. Not quite what I
wanted, but still functional.
Tom hasn't done anything different for many years. He does the same
things over and over and still expects different results. Instead of
achievements, Tom replaces them will illusions. Why bother working
hard at learning something new, when he can simply lie and claim that
he has already achieved some achievements? It apparently has worked
well for Tom, because he has manufactured so many bogus achievements,
that even Tom gets them confused. Three different degrees in
navigation from three universities which he obviously never attended?
Some under the safety helmet is a brain in hiding, which doesn't like
what he sees in the mirror. The mirror is Tom's "Picture of Dorian
Gray" where the reality that Tom sees in the mirror is very different
from the illusion he has so carefully contrived.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 9, 2023, 3:54:47 PM10/9/23
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increasingly more often. This should be more accurate:
50 years * 13 cuts/year * $10/cut = $6,500 saved
It's not as much as I thought I was saving, but it's still substantial
expecially considering 50 years of inflation.
>We do, however, share a lifetime cash expense for haircuts
>of zero.
about 20 years old. I've also been convinced to get a proper haircut
for special ocassions (wedding, graduations, formal parties, etc).
sms
Oct 9, 2023, 4:16:40 PM10/9/23
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On 10/9/2023 2:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
> Tom isn't jealous of me. What Tom is looking for is self-esteem.
> <https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/self-esteem>
> He looks in a mirror and doesn't like what he sees.
You are likely correct, but it's because he sees that you have
self-esteem, and he doesn't, that drives the jealousy which is why he
feels compelled to make up these stories to get attention.
> I suspect that's
> common enough as we all become older and discover that our goals,
> aspirations, plans, illusions, etc for the future are probably not
> going to happen. I have the same problem and deal with it by making
> new and different plans, goals, etc for my future. Not quite what I
> wanted, but still functional.
Yeah, well I had retired pretty much, signed up for Social Security, and
then all of a sudden a good opportunity came up. I spent three of the
last four weeks in another state working on a project that I can't talk
about. We designed and built a thing and demonstrated it, now we need to
build some more.
It is hard to find engineers that actually know how to design and build
a complex piece of hardware. With four engineers, and three mechanical
designers and fabricators, we did a project in two months that would
normally have taken fifty people six months to a year.
<snip>
> Tom isn't jealous of me. What Tom is looking for is self-esteem.
> <https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/self-esteem>
> He looks in a mirror and doesn't like what he sees.
self-esteem, and he doesn't, that drives the jealousy which is why he
feels compelled to make up these stories to get attention.
> I suspect that's
> common enough as we all become older and discover that our goals,
> aspirations, plans, illusions, etc for the future are probably not
> going to happen. I have the same problem and deal with it by making
> new and different plans, goals, etc for my future. Not quite what I
> wanted, but still functional.
then all of a sudden a good opportunity came up. I spent three of the
last four weeks in another state working on a project that I can't talk
about. We designed and built a thing and demonstrated it, now we need to
build some more.
It is hard to find engineers that actually know how to design and build
a complex piece of hardware. With four engineers, and three mechanical
designers and fabricators, we did a project in two months that would
normally have taken fifty people six months to a year.
John B.
Oct 9, 2023, 6:15:38 PM10/9/23
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 12:54:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Really? It's been a long time since I was in the U.S. but were
haircuts costing $10, 50 years ago?
But, if cost is a real problem just shave your head. An extra, what
would it be? 2 minutes more with the electric razor.
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
haircuts costing $10, 50 years ago?
But, if cost is a real problem just shave your head. An extra, what
would it be? 2 minutes more with the electric razor.
--
Cheers,
John B.
John B.
Oct 9, 2023, 6:53:10 PM10/9/23
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 12:43:25 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 11:58:53?AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
>> On 10/4/2023 5:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> > Goodness Gracious. So much revilement for a guy that does nothing but
>> > tell the truth about you and your lies.
>> Tom is super jealous of Jeff for multiple reasons including Jeff's
>> engineering degree and his success in running his own company for many
>> years.
>>
>> --
>> 的f you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
school education and now, suddenly, discovers that "Oh! Yes! I have a
high school education!
And is a millionaire but lives in his mother's house, complains about
the cost of groceries and drives a clapped out old car.
I can only thank the Gods I'm not a "success" like he is.
--
Cheers,
John B.
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 11:58:53?AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
>> On 10/4/2023 5:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> > Goodness Gracious. So much revilement for a guy that does nothing but
>> > tell the truth about you and your lies.
>> Tom is super jealous of Jeff for multiple reasons including Jeff's
>> engineering degree and his success in running his own company for many
>> years.
>>
>> --
>> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
>> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
>> they do about the subject.迫Tin Foil Awards
>> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
>
>Jeff is so successful at running his own company that he is living on Food Stamps. Scharf isn't an expert at anything so how would he know one if he saw one? He is the one living in a tin foil hat.
>
>Jeff has an engineering degree? Then why couldn't he get a job in the hottest job market for EE's in the world? Could it be because his degree was not recognized as such? That my high school degree was thought more highly of than someone that learned all about vacuum tubes 10 years after they are obsolete? Sort of like Slocomb being a crew chief on a bomber that was never active.
>
>Seems like very Slowcomb who could only support himself by living in a cheap foreign country where his military retirement is worth barely supporting him, has a real problem with people that made a fortune in Silicon Valley while his bestest pals Flunky and Liebermann have been nothing more than failures. Well, maybe Flunky isn't a failure, but he is so far from being a success that he might as well be,
>
>Hey John, what's it like to be at death's door and have nothing on your mind but lies?
Thus speaks the bloke that bragged for years about not having a high
>Jeff is so successful at running his own company that he is living on Food Stamps. Scharf isn't an expert at anything so how would he know one if he saw one? He is the one living in a tin foil hat.
>
>Jeff has an engineering degree? Then why couldn't he get a job in the hottest job market for EE's in the world? Could it be because his degree was not recognized as such? That my high school degree was thought more highly of than someone that learned all about vacuum tubes 10 years after they are obsolete? Sort of like Slocomb being a crew chief on a bomber that was never active.
>
>Seems like very Slowcomb who could only support himself by living in a cheap foreign country where his military retirement is worth barely supporting him, has a real problem with people that made a fortune in Silicon Valley while his bestest pals Flunky and Liebermann have been nothing more than failures. Well, maybe Flunky isn't a failure, but he is so far from being a success that he might as well be,
>
>Hey John, what's it like to be at death's door and have nothing on your mind but lies?
school education and now, suddenly, discovers that "Oh! Yes! I have a
high school education!
And is a millionaire but lives in his mother's house, complains about
the cost of groceries and drives a clapped out old car.
I can only thank the Gods I'm not a "success" like he is.
--
Cheers,
John B.
AMuzi
Oct 9, 2023, 7:43:28 PM10/9/23
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1955 average $1.42
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2014/article/one-hundred-years-of-price-change-the-consumer-price-index-and-the-american-inflation-experience.htm
'Men's haircut increased in January 1973 but at a slower
rate than December 1972' (price not listed) Pages 2 & 18 here:
https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/files/docs/publications/cpi/1970s/cpi_011973.pdf
I had my hair bleached a dyed Red-Blond-Blue on 4 July 1985
(I was riding past mid-morning and all the salon girls were
hanging out on the sidewalk with no clients). The place had
two large windows, each with large neon letters, 'Men $5'
and 'Women $7'
Wasted a long series of searches without a clear answer.
Except for Mr Liebermann and for me, something between $1.42
and $5.
John B.
Oct 9, 2023, 8:16:00 PM10/9/23
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 12:46:38 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
I believe that it was Samuel Clemens, otherwise known as Mark Twain,
that said that to be a successful liar one needed a really good memory
in order to remember all the lies that one has told.
Tom's memory is obviously faulty.
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
that said that to be a successful liar one needed a really good memory
in order to remember all the lies that one has told.
Tom's memory is obviously faulty.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Tom Kunich
Oct 10, 2023, 10:47:20 AM10/10/23
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Jeff Liebermann
Oct 10, 2023, 1:32:18 PM10/10/23
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:47:17 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Why do you refuse to say what you actually do and instead hint that you're an engineer of some sort? Perhaps you too are a non degreed engineer or a mechanical designer with a great deal of experience. Are you afraid that actually saying so might put you on the outs with the likes of Flunky?
It's a tough job, but someone has to do the research for you. This
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Why do you refuse to say what you actually do and instead hint that you're an engineer of some sort? Perhaps you too are a non degreed engineer or a mechanical designer with a great deal of experience. Are you afraid that actually saying so might put you on the outs with the likes of Flunky?
took about 2 minutes using Google search:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenscharf/>
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenscharf/details/experience/>
Under "Education", you'll find that he graduated from University of
Florida in 1979 with a BSEE.
You're welcome.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 10, 2023, 1:54:19 PM10/10/23
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 15:16:31 -0500, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:
>On 10/9/2023 2:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Tom isn't jealous of me. What Tom is looking for is self-esteem.
>> <https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/self-esteem>
>> He looks in a mirror and doesn't like what he sees.
>
>You are likely correct, but it's because he sees that you have
>self-esteem, and he doesn't, that drives the jealousy which is why he
>feels compelled to make up these stories to get attention.
Probably true.
"11 Signs of Low Self-Esteem"
<https://www.verywellmind.com/signs-of-low-self-esteem-5185978>
Tom is constantly comparing himself to others. The problem is that he
does that to label others as less important, less intelligent,
productive, wealthy, competent, etc than himself. There's not much he
can do to make himself look better, except maybe his numerous
recoveries from adverse circumstances. So he resort to making others
look bad by comparison. In this case, he tries to demonstrate that it
is possible to be "successful" without a college diploma. It's
certainly possible, but only if one assumes that Tom is "successful".
He's not the only person in RBT who tends to do that, but he is
probably the most creative and prolific.
As for me having self-esteem, I'm not a good example. I've
experienced various failures in life, health, relationships, decision
making, etc that would be sufficient to declare myself at least a
partial failure. If arrogance and high self-confidence are extreme
expressions of self-value (esteem), I would certainly have a very high
self-esteem. For me, the balance between the feelings of failure and
high self confidence is fairly normal and typical. I sometimes
succeed, I sometimes fail, I move forward without much regret. I
guess that's self-esteem.
>> I suspect that's
>> common enough as we all become older and discover that our goals,
>> aspirations, plans, illusions, etc for the future are probably not
>> going to happen. I have the same problem and deal with it by making
>> new and different plans, goals, etc for my future. Not quite what I
>> wanted, but still functional.
>
>Yeah, well I had retired pretty much, signed up for Social Security, and
>then all of a sudden a good opportunity came up. I spent three of the
>last four weeks in another state working on a project that I can't talk
>about. We designed and built a thing and demonstrated it, now we need to
>build some more.
I think I know what you're working on. I'll email.
>It is hard to find engineers that actually know how to design and build
>a complex piece of hardware. With four engineers, and three mechanical
>designers and fabricators, we did a project in two months that would
>normally have taken fifty people six months to a year.
Two months to first article or prototype is impressive. I've never
come even close to that. Congratulations. Now comes the hard part -
dealing with changes and improvements to make potential customers
happy. Hint: I identify the largest customer and make only them
happy. The others will follow the largest customer's lead.
wrote:
>On 10/9/2023 2:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Tom isn't jealous of me. What Tom is looking for is self-esteem.
>> <https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/self-esteem>
>> He looks in a mirror and doesn't like what he sees.
>
>You are likely correct, but it's because he sees that you have
>self-esteem, and he doesn't, that drives the jealousy which is why he
>feels compelled to make up these stories to get attention.
"11 Signs of Low Self-Esteem"
<https://www.verywellmind.com/signs-of-low-self-esteem-5185978>
Tom is constantly comparing himself to others. The problem is that he
does that to label others as less important, less intelligent,
productive, wealthy, competent, etc than himself. There's not much he
can do to make himself look better, except maybe his numerous
recoveries from adverse circumstances. So he resort to making others
look bad by comparison. In this case, he tries to demonstrate that it
is possible to be "successful" without a college diploma. It's
certainly possible, but only if one assumes that Tom is "successful".
He's not the only person in RBT who tends to do that, but he is
probably the most creative and prolific.
As for me having self-esteem, I'm not a good example. I've
experienced various failures in life, health, relationships, decision
making, etc that would be sufficient to declare myself at least a
partial failure. If arrogance and high self-confidence are extreme
expressions of self-value (esteem), I would certainly have a very high
self-esteem. For me, the balance between the feelings of failure and
high self confidence is fairly normal and typical. I sometimes
succeed, I sometimes fail, I move forward without much regret. I
guess that's self-esteem.
>> I suspect that's
>> common enough as we all become older and discover that our goals,
>> aspirations, plans, illusions, etc for the future are probably not
>> going to happen. I have the same problem and deal with it by making
>> new and different plans, goals, etc for my future. Not quite what I
>> wanted, but still functional.
>
>Yeah, well I had retired pretty much, signed up for Social Security, and
>then all of a sudden a good opportunity came up. I spent three of the
>last four weeks in another state working on a project that I can't talk
>about. We designed and built a thing and demonstrated it, now we need to
>build some more.
>It is hard to find engineers that actually know how to design and build
>a complex piece of hardware. With four engineers, and three mechanical
>designers and fabricators, we did a project in two months that would
>normally have taken fifty people six months to a year.
come even close to that. Congratulations. Now comes the hard part -
dealing with changes and improvements to make potential customers
happy. Hint: I identify the largest customer and make only them
happy. The others will follow the largest customer's lead.
funkma...@hotmail.com
Oct 10, 2023, 4:29:08 PM10/10/23
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sms
Oct 10, 2023, 7:26:48 PM10/10/23
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On 10/9/2023 3:53 PM, John B. wrote:
<snip>
<snip>
> Thus speaks the bloke that bragged for years about not having a high
> school education and now, suddenly, discovers that "Oh! Yes! I have a
> high school education!
>
> And is a millionaire but lives in his mother's house, complains about
> the cost of groceries and drives a clapped out old car.
>
> I can only thank the Gods I'm not a "success" like he is.
The thing is, he could sell that Bay Area house, where he inherited the
> school education and now, suddenly, discovers that "Oh! Yes! I have a
> high school education!
>
> And is a millionaire but lives in his mother's house, complains about
> the cost of groceries and drives a clapped out old car.
>
> I can only thank the Gods I'm not a "success" like he is.
Prop 13 assessed value, and take the money and move somewhere much less
expensive then he would not have to be so worried about the cost of
food. Even after paying capital gains tax he'd have enough money left,
when combined with two Social Security incomes, to live comfortably.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
sms
Oct 10, 2023, 7:31:03 PM10/10/23
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On 10/10/2023 1:29 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip>
> Scharf doesn't brag about things he obviously never did and make up stupid shit about technology like 'light lines' a 'pwm cable testers'. I could care less if he was degreed or not. I've worked with several talented non-degree engineers. The issue with you is that you're a liar, braggart, and all-around asshole.
Yes I have an BSEE degree. No, I can't talk about the project that I'm
currently working on.
<snip>
> Scharf doesn't brag about things he obviously never did and make up stupid shit about technology like 'light lines' a 'pwm cable testers'. I could care less if he was degreed or not. I've worked with several talented non-degree engineers. The issue with you is that you're a liar, braggart, and all-around asshole.
currently working on.
Tom Kunich
Oct 11, 2023, 11:59:08 AM10/11/23
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I see that Flunky still believes that the power company finds broken lines with magic. And since he has never worked with video cables he still cannot understand the meaning of "light lines". And you as an EE remain silent. Why is that? Whatever Flunky's job is it is clear that he isn't an EE and has no idea what he is talking about.
funkma...@hotmail.com
Oct 12, 2023, 8:24:47 AM10/12/23
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On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 11:59:08 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 4:31:03 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/10/2023 1:29 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Scharf doesn't brag about things he obviously never did and make up stupid shit about technology like 'light lines' a 'pwm cable testers'. I could care less if he was degreed or not. I've worked with several talented non-degree engineers. The issue with you is that you're a liar, braggart, and all-around asshole.
> > Yes I have an BSEE degree. No, I can't talk about the project that I'm
> > currently working on.
> > --
> > “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> > really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> > they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
> At what point did ANYONE ask you what you're working on now? I asked you what you did. I worked on many classified projects and secret company projects. Until 911 security clearances lasted forever unless you did something to break the rules.
>
> I see that Flunky still believes that the power company finds broken lines with magic.
No, they use TDR - this has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you insist with no evidence that they use PWM.
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 4:31:03 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/10/2023 1:29 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Scharf doesn't brag about things he obviously never did and make up stupid shit about technology like 'light lines' a 'pwm cable testers'. I could care less if he was degreed or not. I've worked with several talented non-degree engineers. The issue with you is that you're a liar, braggart, and all-around asshole.
> > Yes I have an BSEE degree. No, I can't talk about the project that I'm
> > currently working on.
> > --
> > “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> > really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> > they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
> At what point did ANYONE ask you what you're working on now? I asked you what you did. I worked on many classified projects and secret company projects. Until 911 security clearances lasted forever unless you did something to break the rules.
>
> I see that Flunky still believes that the power company finds broken lines with magic.
> And since he has never worked with video cables he still cannot understand the meaning of "light lines".
https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/component-video/product-10v2-03506.php
https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/coaxial-cable/rg59-bnc/product-11x1-02103.php
https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/hdmi-products/hdmi-high-speed-cables/product-10v4-41103.php
A "video cable" can be any cable capable of transmitting a video signal, which is to say that any cable capable supporting the bandwith required for the type of video signal being transmitted. Vdeo can even be transmitted with a simple twisted pair, though not very effectively at longer distances. My experience with "video cables" obviously vastly eclipses yours.
I understand completely that you think "light lines" refers to fiber optic cable, but as usual, you're completely wrong. As someone who worked in a telecom division of HP/Agilent that designed and manufactured fiber optic telecom equipment (specifically SONET test sets) I can tell you with some authority the term "light line" exists no where but in your head. No one, except you, has ever referred to fiber optics as "light lines". It's something you made up.
> And you as an EE remain silent. Why is that? Whatever Flunky's job is it is clear that he isn't an EE and has no idea what he is talking about.
sms
Oct 12, 2023, 2:33:15 PM10/12/23
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On 10/12/2023 5:24 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip>
> No, they use TDR - this has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you insist with no evidence that they use PWM.
Confusing PWM with TDR is precious!
<snip>
> No, they use TDR - this has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you insist with no evidence that they use PWM.
funkma...@hotmail.com
Oct 12, 2023, 3:53:08 PM10/12/23
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On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 2:33:15 PM UTC-4, sms wrote:
> On 10/12/2023 5:24 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > No, they use TDR - this has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you insist with no evidence that they use PWM.
> Confusing PWM with TDR is precious!
> --
'precious'...is that analagous to "bless his heart"?
> On 10/12/2023 5:24 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > No, they use TDR - this has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you insist with no evidence that they use PWM.
> Confusing PWM with TDR is precious!
> --
https://www.southernthing.com/bless-your-heart-2581652582.html
sms
Oct 12, 2023, 5:23:06 PM10/12/23
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Yes.
Tom Kunich
Oct 12, 2023, 5:27:50 PM10/12/23
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Frank Krygowski
Oct 12, 2023, 7:34:51 PM10/12/23
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On 10/12/2023 5:27 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 11:33:15 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
>> On 10/12/2023 5:24 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> No, they use TDR - this has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you insist with no evidence that they use PWM.
>> Confusing PWM with TDR is precious!
>> -- ...
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 11:33:15 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
>> On 10/12/2023 5:24 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> No, they use TDR - this has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you insist with no evidence that they use PWM.
>> Confusing PWM with TDR is precious!
> If you only knew what you're talking about it would be precious. You USE PWM to produce a TDR. Are you sure you're not the type of engineer that operates locomotives? Fliunky has been crying his eyes out because he doesn't know shit from Shinola. So he questions other REAL engineers who give him an answer that he doesn't understand either.
Oddly, it seems all the real engineers here - those of us with actual
degrees and actual work experience in actual engineering - consistently
disagree with Tom.
I don't see crowds of engineers agreeing with Tom on any technical
points. Hell, I don't see crowds of _anyone_ agreeing with Tom on
technical points!
Now why would that be? ;-)
--
- Frank Krygowski
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 12, 2023, 7:36:29 PM10/12/23
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You USE PWM to produce a TDR
No, one doesn't use PWM to produce a TDR. You just made a claim. Now,
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You USE PWM to produce a TDR
back it up evidence and examples. Maybe a patent or product name.
All I could find is one obscure example for using PWM in liquid level
sensors:
"Direct PWM reflectometer"
<https://patents.google.com/patent/US6644114>
The patent expired in 2020.
I hope that you're enjoying the attention you're getting by posting
wrong answers, bad information, and unfounded accusation?
I'm still waiting for you to show me how to calculate the lifetime of
the CR2032 cell that powers your HRM1G HRM (heart rate monitor). It's
not an easy calculation and does require making measurements and
possibly some assumptions. If you need hints, I'll be glad to provide
them. I want to see if you can do some engineering calculations.
sms
Oct 12, 2023, 7:58:30 PM10/12/23
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On 10/12/2023 4:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You USE PWM to produce a TDR
>
> No, one doesn't use PWM to produce a TDR. You just made a claim. Now,
> back it up evidence and examples. Maybe a patent or product name.
<snip>
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You USE PWM to produce a TDR
>
> No, one doesn't use PWM to produce a TDR. You just made a claim. Now,
> back it up evidence and examples. Maybe a patent or product name.
Tom can learn about TDR here:
<https://www.keysight.com/us/en/assets/7018-01179/application-notes/5988-9826.pdf>
I suppose his confusion stems from the fact that with TDR you do send a
pulse down the line. But you don't modulate the width of that pulse, you
are just measuring the time it takes to reflect back and the amplitude
when it comes back.
No one would think any worse of him if he simply admitted his error.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 12, 2023, 8:22:59 PM10/12/23
to
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:36:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>You USE PWM to produce a TDR
>
>No, one doesn't use PWM to produce a TDR. You just made a claim. Now,
>back it up evidence and examples. Maybe a patent or product name.
>All I could find is one obscure example for using PWM in liquid level
>sensors:
>"Direct PWM reflectometer"
><https://patents.google.com/patent/US6644114>
>The patent expired in 2020.
>
>I hope that you're enjoying the attention you're getting by posting
>wrong answers, bad information, and unfounded accusation?
>
>I'm still waiting for you to show me how to calculate the lifetime of
>the CR2032 cell that powers your HRM1G HRM (heart rate monitor). It's
>not an easy calculation and does require making measurements and
>possibly some assumptions. If you need hints, I'll be glad to provide
>them. I want to see if you can do some engineering calculations.
Some free clues.
Garmin can do both ANT+ and BLE protocols. The HRM 1G uses ANT+ only,
but I'm still not show which HRM you're complaining about. I you
think it's broken, buy another one:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/134664013571>
"ANT+ HRM Heart Rate Monitor"
<https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/7c83d402-4b68-4f0a-b167-7139788a19b3>
Most "modern" HRM's use BLE:
"Bluetooth Health Device Profile" (21 pages)
<https://www.bluetooth.org/docman/handlers/downloaddoc.ashx?doc_id=239865>
"ANT+ Device Profile HEART RATE MONITOR" (21 pages)
<https://err.no/tmp/ANT_Device_Profile_Heart_Rate_Monitor.pdf>
"Data is transmitted every 8070/32768 seconds (approximately 4.06 Hz)"
After you figure out what device you own, you should be able to
extract timing information from the above documents. However, I think
it will be easier if you just record the HRM power drain waveform with
an oscilloscope. That should give you the load requirement. Then,
all you need to do is calculate the pulsed power capacity of the
CR2032 cell, divide, and you should have the number of hrs it should
run.
Don't forget to show your assumptions, work, and calculations.
wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>You USE PWM to produce a TDR
>
>No, one doesn't use PWM to produce a TDR. You just made a claim. Now,
>back it up evidence and examples. Maybe a patent or product name.
>All I could find is one obscure example for using PWM in liquid level
>sensors:
>"Direct PWM reflectometer"
><https://patents.google.com/patent/US6644114>
>The patent expired in 2020.
>
>I hope that you're enjoying the attention you're getting by posting
>wrong answers, bad information, and unfounded accusation?
>
>I'm still waiting for you to show me how to calculate the lifetime of
>the CR2032 cell that powers your HRM1G HRM (heart rate monitor). It's
>not an easy calculation and does require making measurements and
>possibly some assumptions. If you need hints, I'll be glad to provide
>them. I want to see if you can do some engineering calculations.
Garmin can do both ANT+ and BLE protocols. The HRM 1G uses ANT+ only,
but I'm still not show which HRM you're complaining about. I you
think it's broken, buy another one:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/134664013571>
"ANT+ HRM Heart Rate Monitor"
<https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/7c83d402-4b68-4f0a-b167-7139788a19b3>
Most "modern" HRM's use BLE:
"Bluetooth Health Device Profile" (21 pages)
<https://www.bluetooth.org/docman/handlers/downloaddoc.ashx?doc_id=239865>
"ANT+ Device Profile HEART RATE MONITOR" (21 pages)
<https://err.no/tmp/ANT_Device_Profile_Heart_Rate_Monitor.pdf>
"Data is transmitted every 8070/32768 seconds (approximately 4.06 Hz)"
After you figure out what device you own, you should be able to
extract timing information from the above documents. However, I think
it will be easier if you just record the HRM power drain waveform with
an oscilloscope. That should give you the load requirement. Then,
all you need to do is calculate the pulsed power capacity of the
CR2032 cell, divide, and you should have the number of hrs it should
run.
Don't forget to show your assumptions, work, and calculations.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 12, 2023, 9:48:40 PM10/12/23
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:22:44 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
More clues. Rather than search for information on devices that Tom
might or might not own, I decided to work with the latest and greatest
devices, on the assumption that Tom will the path of least effort and
simply buy the latest and greatest HRM device, the Garmin HRM-PRO
chest strap.
<https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/682155>
DC Rainmaker has a nice review of the sensor:
<https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/09/garmin-hrm-pro-chest-strap-depth-review.html>
In one of the photos, I found the FCC-ID: IPH-03699
and US patent number: US8386009
<https://patents.google.com/patent/US8386009B2/en>
Searching for the FCC-ID, I found the FCC type certification test
report, which included the max power output for the transmitter on Pg
6:
<https://fccid.io/IPH-03699/Test-Report/Test-Report-4746148.pdf>
at +8dBm (6.3mw).
Starting on Pg 7 are various transmit timing characteristics for
normal (not test) operation.
ANT+:
On time: 161 盜ec (plot 7.1)
Total time: 247 msec (plot 7.2)
Duty cycle: 0.067% (plot 7.2)
BLE:
On time: 379 盜ec (plot 7.3)
Total time: 229 msec (plot 7.4)
Duty cycle: 0.170% (plot 7.4)
The rest of the report is on spurious emissions, occupied bandwidth,
and other RF characteristics. Looks like the average power drain for
the ANT+ mode is much less than BLE.
Tom, you can continue from here. What's missing is how much power or
(current at 3.0VDC) the entire device draws. You know the duty cycle.
If you can find or calculate the power drain, dividing it by the duty
cycle will yield the power drain per second. Dividing the total
battery capacity by the power drain per second will give you the
battery life in seconds. Or something like that.
Good luck and please demonstrate that you can do what is now trivial
engineering work from what you "read out" in three public libraries.
might or might not own, I decided to work with the latest and greatest
devices, on the assumption that Tom will the path of least effort and
simply buy the latest and greatest HRM device, the Garmin HRM-PRO
chest strap.
<https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/682155>
DC Rainmaker has a nice review of the sensor:
<https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/09/garmin-hrm-pro-chest-strap-depth-review.html>
In one of the photos, I found the FCC-ID: IPH-03699
and US patent number: US8386009
<https://patents.google.com/patent/US8386009B2/en>
Searching for the FCC-ID, I found the FCC type certification test
report, which included the max power output for the transmitter on Pg
6:
<https://fccid.io/IPH-03699/Test-Report/Test-Report-4746148.pdf>
at +8dBm (6.3mw).
Starting on Pg 7 are various transmit timing characteristics for
normal (not test) operation.
ANT+:
On time: 161 盜ec (plot 7.1)
Total time: 247 msec (plot 7.2)
Duty cycle: 0.067% (plot 7.2)
BLE:
On time: 379 盜ec (plot 7.3)
Total time: 229 msec (plot 7.4)
Duty cycle: 0.170% (plot 7.4)
The rest of the report is on spurious emissions, occupied bandwidth,
and other RF characteristics. Looks like the average power drain for
the ANT+ mode is much less than BLE.
Tom, you can continue from here. What's missing is how much power or
(current at 3.0VDC) the entire device draws. You know the duty cycle.
If you can find or calculate the power drain, dividing it by the duty
cycle will yield the power drain per second. Dividing the total
battery capacity by the power drain per second will give you the
battery life in seconds. Or something like that.
Good luck and please demonstrate that you can do what is now trivial
engineering work from what you "read out" in three public libraries.
John B.
Oct 13, 2023, 12:39:08 AM10/13/23
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 18:48:23 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
The discussion well, ludicrous. Here, Lacada, Thailand will sell me a
packet of 5, Panasonic CR2032 batteries for 53 Baht. Granted they are
on sale but the regular price seems to be 199 Baht for the 5. In U.S.
money that is $1.40 and $5.38. Or, $0.28 and $1.07 each.
https://tinyurl.com/3za85x7m
I read that the average SS check is, as of August 2023, $1,705.79, so
a CR2032 battery is (on sale) 1/6092 of Tommy's monthly "Salary" and
in addition he tells us that he is a millionaire.
Does the term, "Small time, penny pincher", come to mind?
--
Cheers,
John B.
packet of 5, Panasonic CR2032 batteries for 53 Baht. Granted they are
on sale but the regular price seems to be 199 Baht for the 5. In U.S.
money that is $1.40 and $5.38. Or, $0.28 and $1.07 each.
https://tinyurl.com/3za85x7m
I read that the average SS check is, as of August 2023, $1,705.79, so
a CR2032 battery is (on sale) 1/6092 of Tommy's monthly "Salary" and
in addition he tells us that he is a millionaire.
Does the term, "Small time, penny pincher", come to mind?
--
Cheers,
John B.
Tom Kunich
Oct 13, 2023, 11:20:25 AM10/13/23
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funkma...@hotmail.com
Oct 13, 2023, 1:04:46 PM10/13/23
to
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 5:27:50 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 11:33:15 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/12/2023 5:24 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > No, they use TDR - this has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you insist with no evidence that they use PWM.
> > Confusing PWM with TDR is precious!
> > --
> > “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> > really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> > they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
> If you only knew what you're talking about it would be precious. You USE PWM to produce a TDR.
no, you don't. You use a pulse generator with a fixed pulse width that can be adjusted for different applications. You don't modulate the pulse width dynamically (which is what PWM does).
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 11:33:15 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/12/2023 5:24 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > No, they use TDR - this has been explained to you repeatedly, yet you insist with no evidence that they use PWM.
> > Confusing PWM with TDR is precious!
> > --
> > “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> > really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> > they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
> If you only knew what you're talking about it would be precious. You USE PWM to produce a TDR.
> Are you sure you're not the type of engineer that operates locomotives? Fliunky has been crying his eyes out because he doesn't know shit from Shinola. So he questions other REAL engineers who give him an answer that he doesn't understand either.
Why?
It's simple. PWM isn't used for testing cables.
You're still a fucking idiot
funkma...@hotmail.com
Oct 13, 2023, 1:12:39 PM10/13/23
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On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:20:25 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:58:30 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/12/2023 4:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> You USE PWM to produce a TDR
> > >
> > > No, one doesn't use PWM to produce a TDR. You just made a claim. Now,
> > > back it up evidence and examples. Maybe a patent or product name.
> > <snip>
> >
> > Tom can learn about TDR here:
> > <https://www.keysight.com/us/en/assets/7018-01179/application-notes/5988-9826.pdf>
> >
> > I suppose his confusion stems from the fact that with TDR you do send a
> > pulse down the line. But you don't modulate the width of that pulse, you
> > are just measuring the time it takes to reflect back and the amplitude
> > when it comes back.
> >
> > No one would think any worse of him if he simply admitted his error.
> > --
> > “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> > really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> > they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
> So you're admitting that you're not a real engineer - it would have been much more honest of you if you had. Looking something up on the internet and pretending to understand it is the same stupidity as Flunky and Lieberman commit.
We do understand it sparky, it's you that has the confusion. PWM isn't used to test cables, and it isn't used to generate a TDR waveform. Show us a link - any link - to support your claim.
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:58:30 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/12/2023 4:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> You USE PWM to produce a TDR
> > >
> > > No, one doesn't use PWM to produce a TDR. You just made a claim. Now,
> > > back it up evidence and examples. Maybe a patent or product name.
> > <snip>
> >
> > Tom can learn about TDR here:
> > <https://www.keysight.com/us/en/assets/7018-01179/application-notes/5988-9826.pdf>
> >
> > I suppose his confusion stems from the fact that with TDR you do send a
> > pulse down the line. But you don't modulate the width of that pulse, you
> > are just measuring the time it takes to reflect back and the amplitude
> > when it comes back.
> >
> > No one would think any worse of him if he simply admitted his error.
> > --
> > “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> > really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> > they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
> So you're admitting that you're not a real engineer - it would have been much more honest of you if you had. Looking something up on the internet and pretending to understand it is the same stupidity as Flunky and Lieberman commit.
> Why are you showing a citation that requires registration with personal information? Duckduckgo has already blocked 142,240 tracking attempts. And you gladly want to add to that.
You're still a fucking idiot.
sms
Oct 13, 2023, 3:46:48 PM10/13/23
to
On 10/13/2023 10:04 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip>
> It's simple. PWM isn't used for testing cables.
He may be thinking that PWM is used to inject a pulse to do TDR. It isn't.
PWM is used for a lot of things, but not for TDR! This month I'm dealing
a lot with PWM because the CP signal on charging stations uses PWM to
tell the device under charge how much current it is able to provide,
indicated by the duty cycle of the PWM stream. This can change during
the charge cycle for multiple reasons so you have to keep monitoring the
pulse width.
<snip>
> It's simple. PWM isn't used for testing cables.
PWM is used for a lot of things, but not for TDR! This month I'm dealing
a lot with PWM because the CP signal on charging stations uses PWM to
tell the device under charge how much current it is able to provide,
indicated by the duty cycle of the PWM stream. This can change during
the charge cycle for multiple reasons so you have to keep monitoring the
pulse width.
Tom Kunich
Oct 14, 2023, 9:42:28 AM10/14/23
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When I have recommendations from university professors maybe you should ask yourself how that happened. When some horses ass like Krygowski is pumping out communist propaganda because he knows that he could never actually work in industry and the Free Market Economy that should have told you what his opinions are worth. As for Slocomb - he is little more than a joke who can only live on what he made by making his home in a foreign country and telling us the ridiculous things like it is cheaper to make things in Thailand than in China. The reason that Vittoria moved their operations to Thailand is because THAT is where rubber is produced and not nearly so important that it is cheaper labor.
Tell us more about how you use PWM on a battery charger like everyone else in the world. I'm sure that took a lot of imagination.
funkma...@hotmail.com
Oct 14, 2023, 2:15:15 PM10/14/23
to
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:28 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 12:46:48 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/13/2023 10:04 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > It's simple. PWM isn't used for testing cables.
> > He may be thinking that PWM is used to inject a pulse to do TDR. It isn't.
> >
> > PWM is used for a lot of things, but not for TDR! This month I'm dealing
> > a lot with PWM because the CP signal on charging stations uses PWM to
> > tell the device under charge how much current it is able to provide,
> > indicated by the duty cycle of the PWM stream. This can change during
> > the charge cycle for multiple reasons so you have to keep monitoring the
> > pulse width.
> > --
> > “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> > really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> > they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
>
> OK, so I don't know what I'm talking about
This is true....
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 12:46:48 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/13/2023 10:04 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > It's simple. PWM isn't used for testing cables.
> > He may be thinking that PWM is used to inject a pulse to do TDR. It isn't.
> >
> > PWM is used for a lot of things, but not for TDR! This month I'm dealing
> > a lot with PWM because the CP signal on charging stations uses PWM to
> > tell the device under charge how much current it is able to provide,
> > indicated by the duty cycle of the PWM stream. This can change during
> > the charge cycle for multiple reasons so you have to keep monitoring the
> > pulse width.
> > --
> > “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> > really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> > they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
>
> OK, so I don't know what I'm talking about
> but Liebermann who could not even be hired as an engineer does.
> Flunky who knows so much about engineering that he can't even understand a simple C program
> is your idea of a genius
> and you can't even imagine how to use PWM to measure line length
> and rant about a battery charger.
> This is why I'm a millionaire
> and you're essentially a failed human. I worked on major projects that kept Silicon Valley alive
> and what have you done? I am willing to accept that you're a low level EE like Flunky but when you don't even know your own limitations perhaps you should start asking yourself why.
>
> When I have recommendations from university professors maybe you should ask yourself how that happened. When some horses ass like Krygowski is pumping out communist propaganda because he knows that he could never actually work in industry and the Free Market Economy that should have told you what his opinions are worth. As for Slocomb - he is little more than a joke who can only live on what he made by making his home in a foreign country and telling us the ridiculous things like it is cheaper to make things in Thailand than in China. The reason that Vittoria moved their operations to Thailand is because THAT is where rubber is produced and not nearly so important that it is cheaper labor.
>
> Tell us more about how you use PWM on a battery charger like everyone else in the world. I'm sure that took a lot of imagination.
You're still a fucking idiot.
John B.
Oct 14, 2023, 7:29:28 PM10/14/23
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 11:15:13 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:28?AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
I made my money in oil field construction which isn't really a nick le
dime business. I've mentioned about making the company an extra
$100,000 a year by making a mistake (:-) And yes I live in
Thailand, which is a far superior to California.
And yes, it is cheaper to make stuff in Thailand,and then in China.
see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_countries_by_average_wage
Average monthly wage in China - $999, in Thailand $391.
--
Cheers,
John B.
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:28?AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 12:46:48?PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
>> > On 10/13/2023 10:04 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> > > It's simple. PWM isn't used for testing cables.
>> > He may be thinking that PWM is used to inject a pulse to do TDR. It isn't.
>> >
>> > PWM is used for a lot of things, but not for TDR! This month I'm dealing
>> > a lot with PWM because the CP signal on charging stations uses PWM to
>> > tell the device under charge how much current it is able to provide,
>> > indicated by the duty cycle of the PWM stream. This can change during
>> > the charge cycle for multiple reasons so you have to keep monitoring the
>> > pulse width.
>> > --
>> > 的f you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
>> > On 10/13/2023 10:04 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> > > It's simple. PWM isn't used for testing cables.
>> > He may be thinking that PWM is used to inject a pulse to do TDR. It isn't.
>> >
>> > PWM is used for a lot of things, but not for TDR! This month I'm dealing
>> > a lot with PWM because the CP signal on charging stations uses PWM to
>> > tell the device under charge how much current it is able to provide,
>> > indicated by the duty cycle of the PWM stream. This can change during
>> > the charge cycle for multiple reasons so you have to keep monitoring the
>> > pulse width.
>> > --
>> > really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
>> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
>> > they do about the subject.迫Tin Foil Awards
>> > indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
>>
>> OK, so I don't know what I'm talking about
>
>This is true....
>
>> but Liebermann who could not even be hired as an engineer does.
>
>Except that he _was_ actually hired as an engineer.
>
>> Flunky who knows so much about engineering that he can't even understand a simple C program
>
>From the guy that couldn't understand 20 lines of Javascript. No matter how many times you tell that lie, it will never become true
>
>> is your idea of a genius
>
>I'm gonna go out on a limb a speak for Scharf that he doesn't consider me a genius.
>
>> and you can't even imagine how to use PWM to measure line length
>
>You can't either. If you could, you would have done so by now.
>
>> and rant about a battery charger.
>
>That wasn't a rant. For an example of a rant, reread the post I'm replying to.
>
>> This is why I'm a millionaire
>
>lol....no, you're not.
>
>> and you're essentially a failed human. I worked on major projects that kept Silicon Valley alive
>
>lol...no, you didn't.
>
>> and what have you done? I am willing to accept that you're a low level EE like Flunky but when you don't even know your own limitations perhaps you should start asking yourself why.
>
>interesting that no one enticed _you_ to come out of retirement.....
>
>>
>> When I have recommendations from university professors maybe you should ask yourself how that happened. When some horses ass like Krygowski is pumping out communist propaganda because he knows that he could never actually work in industry and the Free Market Economy that should have told you what his opinions are worth. As for Slocomb - he is little more than a joke who can only live on what he made by making his home in a foreign country and telling us the ridiculous things like it is cheaper to make things in Thailand than in China. The reason that Vittoria moved their operations to Thailand is because THAT is where rubber is produced and not nearly so important that it is cheaper labor.
>>
>> Tell us more about how you use PWM on a battery charger like everyone else in the world. I'm sure that took a lot of imagination.
>
>Maybe not, but it's a great deal more than you ever accomplished (an no we don't believe any of your braggadocio).
>
>You're still a fucking idiot.
Poor old Tom (:-)
>> OK, so I don't know what I'm talking about
>
>This is true....
>
>> but Liebermann who could not even be hired as an engineer does.
>
>Except that he _was_ actually hired as an engineer.
>
>> Flunky who knows so much about engineering that he can't even understand a simple C program
>
>From the guy that couldn't understand 20 lines of Javascript. No matter how many times you tell that lie, it will never become true
>
>> is your idea of a genius
>
>I'm gonna go out on a limb a speak for Scharf that he doesn't consider me a genius.
>
>> and you can't even imagine how to use PWM to measure line length
>
>You can't either. If you could, you would have done so by now.
>
>> and rant about a battery charger.
>
>That wasn't a rant. For an example of a rant, reread the post I'm replying to.
>
>> This is why I'm a millionaire
>
>lol....no, you're not.
>
>> and you're essentially a failed human. I worked on major projects that kept Silicon Valley alive
>
>lol...no, you didn't.
>
>> and what have you done? I am willing to accept that you're a low level EE like Flunky but when you don't even know your own limitations perhaps you should start asking yourself why.
>
>interesting that no one enticed _you_ to come out of retirement.....
>
>>
>> When I have recommendations from university professors maybe you should ask yourself how that happened. When some horses ass like Krygowski is pumping out communist propaganda because he knows that he could never actually work in industry and the Free Market Economy that should have told you what his opinions are worth. As for Slocomb - he is little more than a joke who can only live on what he made by making his home in a foreign country and telling us the ridiculous things like it is cheaper to make things in Thailand than in China. The reason that Vittoria moved their operations to Thailand is because THAT is where rubber is produced and not nearly so important that it is cheaper labor.
>>
>> Tell us more about how you use PWM on a battery charger like everyone else in the world. I'm sure that took a lot of imagination.
>
>Maybe not, but it's a great deal more than you ever accomplished (an no we don't believe any of your braggadocio).
>
>You're still a fucking idiot.
I made my money in oil field construction which isn't really a nick le
dime business. I've mentioned about making the company an extra
$100,000 a year by making a mistake (:-) And yes I live in
Thailand, which is a far superior to California.
And yes, it is cheaper to make stuff in Thailand,and then in China.
see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_countries_by_average_wage
Average monthly wage in China - $999, in Thailand $391.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 15, 2023, 6:06:34 PM10/15/23
to
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 18:48:23 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
Still no help from Tom the engineer. I'm patient (and busy) so I'll
blunder forward and assume that Tom's secret assistant will send him
an email explaining the following.
I found a photo of the inside of the Garmin HRM Pro. I'm using the
Pro model because data is more readily available and I still don't
know which model Tom claims to be using.
<https://fccid.io/IPH-03699/Internal-Photos/Internal-Photos-4746134.pdf>
Of course, the markings on the BGA (ball grid array) chip is
obliterated. I managed to identify the chip as a Nordic Semiconductor
nRF52832 BLE/ANT SoC (system on a chip).
<https://www.nordicsemi.com/products/nrf52832>
(It might also be on of the other variants, with different features).
The FCC-ID test report claims a max transmit power output of +8dBm
(6.3mw), while the spec sheet indicates +4dBm (2.5mw).
"Powering Wireless and Bluetooth LE Products with Batteries"
<https://www.argenox.com/library/bluetooth-low-energy/powering-ble-batt/>
"Power output of the BLE device - the higher the output power the more
current is required. Many latest generation devices draw 3mA to 6mA
peak, while older devices can draw 3x or more."
The article seems quite useful for designing such devices and mentions
the nRF52832. In the section:
"Reducing BLE peak currents"
After looking at the detailed data sheets,
<https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/index.jsp?topic=%2Fstruct_nrf52%2Fstruct%2Fnrf52832.html>
I find the +8dBm mentioned in the FCC data is probably wrong because
the actual operating range is only:
"-20 to +4 dBm TX power, configurable in 4 dB steps".
Rather than guess, you need to look at similar devices and see what
power output they deliver. For the very short distances involved, my
guess(tm) would be 0dBm (1.0mw) transmit power. At this level, the
transmit current drain is about 9ma with the flash memory active and
7ma with the flash off. (See Pg 79 and 80 above).
The data sheet at:
<https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/pdf/nRF52832_PS_v1.8.pdf>
I don't know if the nRF52832 is powered by an LDO (low drop out)
regulator, or the internal DC to DC converter. Since DC to DC is more
efficient, that is the likely and better choice.
"Section 17 Power and clock management" (Pg 79) is where you can
calculate the current drains. You'll need to estimate of calculate:
- Receive mode current (receiver on)
- Sleep mode current (receiver off)
- Transmit current
- Transmit data duty cycle
- Advertisement transmit current (probably same as transmit current)
- Advertisement transmit duty cycle.
Tom: Show me your amazing electronic design abilities. There's
enough information now for you to calculate the Garmin HRM PRO
transmit current and power requirements. Then you can calculate or
estimate the pulse power CR2032 battery capacity. Divide energy
(watt-seconds) available in the battery by the energy required by the
HRM and you should get the operating life of the battery in seconds.
You have most of the required info. Show me what you can do.
blunder forward and assume that Tom's secret assistant will send him
an email explaining the following.
I found a photo of the inside of the Garmin HRM Pro. I'm using the
Pro model because data is more readily available and I still don't
know which model Tom claims to be using.
<https://fccid.io/IPH-03699/Internal-Photos/Internal-Photos-4746134.pdf>
Of course, the markings on the BGA (ball grid array) chip is
obliterated. I managed to identify the chip as a Nordic Semiconductor
nRF52832 BLE/ANT SoC (system on a chip).
<https://www.nordicsemi.com/products/nrf52832>
(It might also be on of the other variants, with different features).
The FCC-ID test report claims a max transmit power output of +8dBm
(6.3mw), while the spec sheet indicates +4dBm (2.5mw).
"Powering Wireless and Bluetooth LE Products with Batteries"
<https://www.argenox.com/library/bluetooth-low-energy/powering-ble-batt/>
"Power output of the BLE device - the higher the output power the more
current is required. Many latest generation devices draw 3mA to 6mA
peak, while older devices can draw 3x or more."
The article seems quite useful for designing such devices and mentions
the nRF52832. In the section:
"Reducing BLE peak currents"
After looking at the detailed data sheets,
<https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/index.jsp?topic=%2Fstruct_nrf52%2Fstruct%2Fnrf52832.html>
I find the +8dBm mentioned in the FCC data is probably wrong because
the actual operating range is only:
"-20 to +4 dBm TX power, configurable in 4 dB steps".
Rather than guess, you need to look at similar devices and see what
power output they deliver. For the very short distances involved, my
guess(tm) would be 0dBm (1.0mw) transmit power. At this level, the
transmit current drain is about 9ma with the flash memory active and
7ma with the flash off. (See Pg 79 and 80 above).
The data sheet at:
<https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/pdf/nRF52832_PS_v1.8.pdf>
I don't know if the nRF52832 is powered by an LDO (low drop out)
regulator, or the internal DC to DC converter. Since DC to DC is more
efficient, that is the likely and better choice.
"Section 17 Power and clock management" (Pg 79) is where you can
calculate the current drains. You'll need to estimate of calculate:
- Receive mode current (receiver on)
- Sleep mode current (receiver off)
- Transmit current
- Transmit data duty cycle
- Advertisement transmit current (probably same as transmit current)
- Advertisement transmit duty cycle.
Tom: Show me your amazing electronic design abilities. There's
enough information now for you to calculate the Garmin HRM PRO
transmit current and power requirements. Then you can calculate or
estimate the pulse power CR2032 battery capacity. Divide energy
(watt-seconds) available in the battery by the energy required by the
HRM and you should get the operating life of the battery in seconds.
You have most of the required info. Show me what you can do.
John B.
Oct 15, 2023, 8:54:45 PM10/15/23
to
On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 15:06:20 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
But Jeff... Tommy doesn't have to show anyone what he can do. He's
published his wonderful Resume (the first entry of which is a lie) and
what more can anyone ask for to evaluate Tommy's attributes?
--
Cheers,
John B.
published his wonderful Resume (the first entry of which is a lie) and
what more can anyone ask for to evaluate Tommy's attributes?
--
Cheers,
John B.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 16, 2023, 12:46:56 AM10/16/23
to
On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 07:54:38 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>But Jeff... Tommy doesn't have to show anyone what he can do. He's
>published his wonderful Resume (the first entry of which is a lie) and
>what more can anyone ask for to evaluate Tommy's attributes?
Tom doesn't have to show anyone anything. He merely has to announce
an amazing fact (i.e. short HRM battery life) and the unenlightened
multitudes will praise his brilliance and companies will hire him for
astronomical salaries. The only problem is that the amazing facts are
almost always wrong. As for what more can one ask of Tom, methinks
the truth would be a good start.
Perhaps the wisdom of AI might help. I asked various online AI bots:
"How long does the battery last in a Garmin HRM PRO?"
Microsoft Bing:
The battery life of the Garmin HRM PRO is estimated to last 400 hours
This is a long-lasting battery life that can last for months depending
on usage.
<https://reviewed.usatoday.com/health/features/polar-h10-vs-garmin-hrm-pro>
Google Bard:
How long does the battery last in a Garmin HRM PRO?
The battery life of the Garmin HRM-Pro is up to one year with one hour
per day of use.
Chat GPT-3.5
As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, Garmin had not
provided specific information about the battery life of the Garmin HRM
Pro. Battery life can vary depending on factors such as usage patterns
and settings. To find the most accurate and up-to-date information on
the battery life of the Garmin HRM Pro, I recommend visiting the
Garmin website or checking the product manual, or contacting Garmin's
customer support. They should be able to provide you with the latest
information on the HRM Pro's battery life.
Argh. So, tweaked the question a little:
"How long does the battery last in a typical sports heart rate
monitor?"
and the AI produced (in part):
Coin Cell Battery Monitors: Heart rate monitors that use coin cell
batteries typically last for several months to a year or more,
depending on how frequently you use them and whether they have
additional features like GPS tracking or smartphone connectivity.
Basic models that only measure heart rate tend to have longer battery
life.
Such things are much easier to calculate when one knows the answer in
advance. I just wanted to see how Tom approached the problem.
wrote:
>But Jeff... Tommy doesn't have to show anyone what he can do. He's
>published his wonderful Resume (the first entry of which is a lie) and
>what more can anyone ask for to evaluate Tommy's attributes?
an amazing fact (i.e. short HRM battery life) and the unenlightened
multitudes will praise his brilliance and companies will hire him for
astronomical salaries. The only problem is that the amazing facts are
almost always wrong. As for what more can one ask of Tom, methinks
the truth would be a good start.
Perhaps the wisdom of AI might help. I asked various online AI bots:
"How long does the battery last in a Garmin HRM PRO?"
Microsoft Bing:
The battery life of the Garmin HRM PRO is estimated to last 400 hours
This is a long-lasting battery life that can last for months depending
on usage.
<https://reviewed.usatoday.com/health/features/polar-h10-vs-garmin-hrm-pro>
Google Bard:
How long does the battery last in a Garmin HRM PRO?
The battery life of the Garmin HRM-Pro is up to one year with one hour
per day of use.
Chat GPT-3.5
As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, Garmin had not
provided specific information about the battery life of the Garmin HRM
Pro. Battery life can vary depending on factors such as usage patterns
and settings. To find the most accurate and up-to-date information on
the battery life of the Garmin HRM Pro, I recommend visiting the
Garmin website or checking the product manual, or contacting Garmin's
customer support. They should be able to provide you with the latest
information on the HRM Pro's battery life.
Argh. So, tweaked the question a little:
"How long does the battery last in a typical sports heart rate
monitor?"
and the AI produced (in part):
Coin Cell Battery Monitors: Heart rate monitors that use coin cell
batteries typically last for several months to a year or more,
depending on how frequently you use them and whether they have
additional features like GPS tracking or smartphone connectivity.
Basic models that only measure heart rate tend to have longer battery
life.
Such things are much easier to calculate when one knows the answer in
advance. I just wanted to see how Tom approached the problem.
John B.
Oct 16, 2023, 3:06:25 AM10/16/23
to
On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 21:46:44 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 07:54:38 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>But Jeff... Tommy doesn't have to show anyone what he can do. He's
>>published his wonderful Resume (the first entry of which is a lie) and
>>what more can anyone ask for to evaluate Tommy's attributes?
>
>Tom doesn't have to show anyone anything. He merely has to announce
>an amazing fact (i.e. short HRM battery life) and the unenlightened
>multitudes will praise his brilliance and companies will hire him for
>astronomical salaries. The only problem is that the amazing facts are
>almost always wrong. As for what more can one ask of Tom, methinks
>the truth would be a good start.
>
Well, Tom was born in 1944, I believe, so he probably enlisted in the
Air Force about 1962 and been discharged in 1966.
So, what were electronic people getting for pay in that era, say the
1970's. A quick look shows average wage in California in 1975 as being
about $21,536. Assuming a 12 month year about $1,800 a month.
As for the truth, Tom is his own worst enemy as he posts an amazing
"fact" and within a few days posts another "fact" that contradicts the
first "fact".
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 07:54:38 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>But Jeff... Tommy doesn't have to show anyone what he can do. He's
>>published his wonderful Resume (the first entry of which is a lie) and
>>what more can anyone ask for to evaluate Tommy's attributes?
>
>Tom doesn't have to show anyone anything. He merely has to announce
>an amazing fact (i.e. short HRM battery life) and the unenlightened
>multitudes will praise his brilliance and companies will hire him for
>astronomical salaries. The only problem is that the amazing facts are
>almost always wrong. As for what more can one ask of Tom, methinks
>the truth would be a good start.
>
Air Force about 1962 and been discharged in 1966.
So, what were electronic people getting for pay in that era, say the
1970's. A quick look shows average wage in California in 1975 as being
about $21,536. Assuming a 12 month year about $1,800 a month.
As for the truth, Tom is his own worst enemy as he posts an amazing
"fact" and within a few days posts another "fact" that contradicts the
first "fact".
--
Cheers,
John B.
funkma...@hotmail.com
Oct 16, 2023, 8:04:41 AM10/16/23
to
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 6:06:34 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> I find the +8dBm mentioned in the FCC data is probably wrong because
> the actual operating range is only:
> "-20 to +4 dBm TX power, configurable in 4 dB steps".
That's the device. The FCC reports incorporate antenna gain into the system. +4 dBi seems a bit much though, since most planar antennae are around +2 dBi. The device might actually be capable of higher power output but the user firmware limits it to +4 dBm. The FCC requires that the device be tested at it's theoretical maximum unless the mfr specifically states higher outputs are not possible by firmware limitation.
>
> I find the +8dBm mentioned in the FCC data is probably wrong because
> the actual operating range is only:
> "-20 to +4 dBm TX power, configurable in 4 dB steps".
> Rather than guess, you need to look at similar devices and see what
> power output they deliver. For the very short distances involved, my
> guess(tm) would be 0dBm (1.0mw) transmit power.
> At this level, the
> transmit current drain is about 9ma with the flash memory active and
> 7ma with the flash off. (See Pg 79 and 80 above).
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 16, 2023, 12:10:45 PM10/16/23
to
On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:04:39 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 6:06:34?PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> I find the +8dBm mentioned in the FCC data is probably wrong because
>> the actual operating range is only:
>> "-20 to +4 dBm TX power, configurable in 4 dB steps".
>
>That's the device. The FCC reports incorporate antenna gain into the system. +4 dBi seems a bit much though, since most planar antennae are around +2 dBi. The device might actually be capable of higher power output but the user firmware limits it to +4 dBm. The FCC requires that the device be tested at it's theoretical maximum unless the mfr specifically states higher outputs are not possible by firmware limitation.
That would be part 1.1310.
<https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2020-title47-vol1/xml/CFR-2020-title47-vol1-sec1-1310.xml>
"0.4 W/kg, as averaged over the whole body, and a peak spatial-average
SAR of 8 W/kg, averaged over any 1 gram of tissue".
At 2.4GHz, that's 1mW/cm2 field strength which isn't very much. If it
were a problem, wearable wi-fi devices, which are legal up to +30dB (1
watt) would be failing FCC type certification or at least include
warning labels to maintain one's distance. I need to read the
rules-n-regs and run the numbers to be sure, but I don't think that
the flea power produced by the HRM is a problem, especially because of
the low duty cycle.
The FCC test report at:
<https://fccid.io/IPH-03699/Test-Report/Test-Report-4746148.pdf>
shows an antenna gain of 0dB. See printed page 6 (section 2.0 CLIENT
AND DUT INFORMATION). If the maximum transmit power really is +8dBm,
the Nordic device is probably the later model nRF52840 or nRF52833
chips:
<https://www.nordicsemi.com/Products/nRF52840>
<https://www.nordicsemi.com/Products/nRF52833>
I'll need to tweak my numbers to accommodate this change. I also
don't believe that Garmin would run the device at +8dBm. The device
could produce +8dBm. The test is for maximum RATED power output.
>> Rather than guess, you need to look at similar devices and see what
>> power output they deliver. For the very short distances involved, my
>> guess(tm) would be 0dBm (1.0mw) transmit power.
>
>That's probably true since wearable (and portable/handheld) devices have to pass Specific Absorption Rate (SAR) testing, which of course requires less power depending on the proximity to the user. Considering a HRM is pressed within a few inches of the hear, Garmin would need to show they are limiting the power rather substantially from the alleged +8 dBm max of the device.
I haven't finished grinding the numbers yet. My guess(tm) is that I
will find that the DC power necessary to provide +8dBm for 1 hr/day
operation will empty the battery in less than the estimated year. I'll
wait a while for Tom to provide the necessary calculations and
demonstrate that he can do engineering.
>> At this level, the
>> transmit current drain is about 9ma with the flash memory active and
>> 7ma with the flash off. (See Pg 79 and 80 above).
>
>win-win, pass SAR and get better battery life.
If Garmin had to add a 2nd CR2032 cell, it would also increase the
cost by about $0.20 and weigh an additional 2.9 grams.
To be continued. I'm gone to get my eyes examined and wallet emptied.
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 6:06:34?PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> I find the +8dBm mentioned in the FCC data is probably wrong because
>> the actual operating range is only:
>> "-20 to +4 dBm TX power, configurable in 4 dB steps".
>
>That's the device. The FCC reports incorporate antenna gain into the system. +4 dBi seems a bit much though, since most planar antennae are around +2 dBi. The device might actually be capable of higher power output but the user firmware limits it to +4 dBm. The FCC requires that the device be tested at it's theoretical maximum unless the mfr specifically states higher outputs are not possible by firmware limitation.
<https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2020-title47-vol1/xml/CFR-2020-title47-vol1-sec1-1310.xml>
"0.4 W/kg, as averaged over the whole body, and a peak spatial-average
SAR of 8 W/kg, averaged over any 1 gram of tissue".
At 2.4GHz, that's 1mW/cm2 field strength which isn't very much. If it
were a problem, wearable wi-fi devices, which are legal up to +30dB (1
watt) would be failing FCC type certification or at least include
warning labels to maintain one's distance. I need to read the
rules-n-regs and run the numbers to be sure, but I don't think that
the flea power produced by the HRM is a problem, especially because of
the low duty cycle.
The FCC test report at:
<https://fccid.io/IPH-03699/Test-Report/Test-Report-4746148.pdf>
shows an antenna gain of 0dB. See printed page 6 (section 2.0 CLIENT
AND DUT INFORMATION). If the maximum transmit power really is +8dBm,
the Nordic device is probably the later model nRF52840 or nRF52833
chips:
<https://www.nordicsemi.com/Products/nRF52840>
<https://www.nordicsemi.com/Products/nRF52833>
I'll need to tweak my numbers to accommodate this change. I also
don't believe that Garmin would run the device at +8dBm. The device
could produce +8dBm. The test is for maximum RATED power output.
>> Rather than guess, you need to look at similar devices and see what
>> power output they deliver. For the very short distances involved, my
>> guess(tm) would be 0dBm (1.0mw) transmit power.
>
>That's probably true since wearable (and portable/handheld) devices have to pass Specific Absorption Rate (SAR) testing, which of course requires less power depending on the proximity to the user. Considering a HRM is pressed within a few inches of the hear, Garmin would need to show they are limiting the power rather substantially from the alleged +8 dBm max of the device.
will find that the DC power necessary to provide +8dBm for 1 hr/day
operation will empty the battery in less than the estimated year. I'll
wait a while for Tom to provide the necessary calculations and
demonstrate that he can do engineering.
>> At this level, the
>> transmit current drain is about 9ma with the flash memory active and
>> 7ma with the flash off. (See Pg 79 and 80 above).
>
>win-win, pass SAR and get better battery life.
cost by about $0.20 and weigh an additional 2.9 grams.
To be continued. I'm gone to get my eyes examined and wallet emptied.
funkma...@hotmail.com
Oct 16, 2023, 3:22:58 PM10/16/23
to
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 12:10:45 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:04:39 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 6:06:34?PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>
> >> I find the +8dBm mentioned in the FCC data is probably wrong because
> >> the actual operating range is only:
> >> "-20 to +4 dBm TX power, configurable in 4 dB steps".
> >
> >That's the device. The FCC reports incorporate antenna gain into the system. +4 dBi seems a bit much though, since most planar antennae are around +2 dBi. The device might actually be capable of higher power output but the user firmware limits it to +4 dBm. The FCC requires that the device be tested at it's theoretical maximum unless the mfr specifically states higher outputs are not possible by firmware limitation.
> That would be part 1.1310.
> <https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2020-title47-vol1/xml/CFR-2020-title47-vol1-sec1-1310.xml>
> "0.4 W/kg, as averaged over the whole body, and a peak spatial-average
> SAR of 8 W/kg, averaged over any 1 gram of tissue".
> At 2.4GHz, that's 1mW/cm2 field strength which isn't very much. If it
> were a problem, wearable wi-fi devices, which are legal up to +30dB (1
> watt) would be failing FCC type certification or at least include
> warning labels to maintain one's distance. I need to read the
> rules-n-regs and run the numbers to be sure, but I don't think that
> the flea power produced by the HRM is a problem, especially because of
> the low duty cycle.
Granted, the last FCC cert for a wearable I got was in 2004, and it was for a device in the 150-175 MHz band (part 90). I seem to remember the limit was 1 mW (0 dBm), but given that many cell phones put out up to 3 watts, I'm clearly misremembering.
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:04:39 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 6:06:34?PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>
> >> I find the +8dBm mentioned in the FCC data is probably wrong because
> >> the actual operating range is only:
> >> "-20 to +4 dBm TX power, configurable in 4 dB steps".
> >
> >That's the device. The FCC reports incorporate antenna gain into the system. +4 dBi seems a bit much though, since most planar antennae are around +2 dBi. The device might actually be capable of higher power output but the user firmware limits it to +4 dBm. The FCC requires that the device be tested at it's theoretical maximum unless the mfr specifically states higher outputs are not possible by firmware limitation.
> That would be part 1.1310.
> <https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2020-title47-vol1/xml/CFR-2020-title47-vol1-sec1-1310.xml>
> "0.4 W/kg, as averaged over the whole body, and a peak spatial-average
> SAR of 8 W/kg, averaged over any 1 gram of tissue".
> At 2.4GHz, that's 1mW/cm2 field strength which isn't very much. If it
> were a problem, wearable wi-fi devices, which are legal up to +30dB (1
> watt) would be failing FCC type certification or at least include
> warning labels to maintain one's distance. I need to read the
> rules-n-regs and run the numbers to be sure, but I don't think that
> the flea power produced by the HRM is a problem, especially because of
> the low duty cycle.
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