Colnago differences
Graeme Cameron
Can anyone out there please explain to me the difference between the
Colnago Tecnos and Master X-Light, both in technical and real-world terms?
Which is more suited to heavier riders (180lb)?
The larger sizes (> 60cm) use a 'Freuler' extended seat lug, what is this?
is the headtube also extended in these sizes to match?
Perhaps there is a Web Site that explains all this?
Thanks in advance
Graeme
Tony Szurly
Try http://www.colnago.it/ to get a look at the different frames
Jeff Hansen
Freuhler construction is a fancy way of saying that in sizes above 60cm they
extend the seat tube above the top tube to make for a slightly smaller, stiffer
frame in larger sizes.
see:
http://www.bicycleworldusa.com/bicycles/default.htm
http://www.chicagolandbicycle.com/colnago.htm
for more detials
Jeff
Brian Roth
>
> Hi
> Can anyone out there please explain to me the difference between the
> Colnago Tecnos and Master X-Light, both in technical and real-world terms?
> Which is more suited to heavier riders (180lb)?
> The larger sizes (> 60cm) use a 'Freuler' extended seat lug, what is this?
> is the headtube also extended in these sizes to match?
> Perhaps there is a Web Site that explains all this?
> Thanks in advance
> Graeme
Both are steel of course. The masterlight has the shaped tubing on all
of the main triangle while the tecnos has a round seat tube. I believe
the technos is a little lighter acually. Both sould be fine for a 180
lb rider.
I do believe the headtube is extended above the top tube on the 'freuler'
style frames, though not as much as the seatube.
Another website is www.bicycleworldusa.com
ken.leary
I can't tell you the what the difference is between the two frames, but I
can offer you a word of caution. I have had two Colnago frames with failed
welds. Both at the bottom bracket down tube juncture. The first frame was
replaced and I was promised that if the second frame failed it would also be
replaced. NOBODY wants to talk to me about the second frame. Buy a Merlin
or a Seven. Or any other bike with a lifetime guarantee. Why buy a bike
from someone who does not back up their product. My Colnago's were nice
while they lasted but they are not as nice as the Merlins.
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Jason Meyers
First off, I ride a Tecnos frame, and it is a killer set-up. To answer your
question, not alot, the Master X-Light is a little bit lighte and has a
difffernt shaped seat tube from the tecnos. Both are steel, so there should
be no difference for weight. The "Frueler" set up is to make the frame
slightly smaller and a little stiffer. The main difference is the color
options. The Tecnos/Record/Ksyrium/3TTT set up is hot!!!
Roly
What Colnagos did you own, what size, how much do you weigh? As I just
bought aa aluminium Colnago, I am very interested in the circumstances.
Thanks,
Roly
ken.leary wrote in message ...
Tom Kunich
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> Hi Ken,
> What Colnagos did you own, what size, how much do you weigh? As I just
> bought aa aluminium Colnago, I am very interested in the circumstances.
> Thanks,
> Roly
Colnago makes fewer and fewer bicycle themselves. They contract out the
manufacture of the bikes and tend to design them. They differentiate
themselves in the marketplace with silly shapes in the tubes and all of the
foo-foo latest technology trendy stuff.
Colnagoes are WAY too expensive and perform no better than the latest
offerings from Schwinn.
They do sport really cool paint jobs.
Jeff Hansen
different materials, but rarely any failure with a steel frame.
"ken.leary" wrote:
> I can't tell you the what the difference is between the two frames, but I
> can offer you a word of caution. I have had two Colnago frames with failed
> welds. Both at the bottom bracket down tube juncture. The first frame was
> replaced and I was promised that if the second frame failed it would also be
> replaced. NOBODY wants to talk to me about the second frame. Buy a Merlin
> or a Seven. Or any other bike with a lifetime guarantee. Why buy a bike
> from someone who does not back up their product. My Colnago's were nice
> while they lasted but they are not as nice as the Merlins.
>
Jay Beattie
Tom Kunich wrote in message
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Actually, the Masterlights and other the other
steel frames in the lower end of the Colnago
product line are relatively cheap -- at least in
comparison to other, similar Italian frames and
even some small lot American production frames
like IF. The C40, of course, is the flagship of
pecuniary conspicuity and reserved for those with
refined tastes, unlike myself. Personally, I
wouldn't bother with any Colnago because there are
so many as-good-but-cheaper frames, including the
latest offerings from Schwinn (among others). --
Jay Beattie.
Jeff Hansen
logic. A Ferrarri is way too expensive and doesn't perform much better than a
Camaro either. Buy the bike that speaks to you. Whoever said bike buying was a
rational decision? You might as well enjoy what you ride, because if you're
like me you'll never be able to afford a Ferrari, but you can ride the best
bikes out there.
ger...@ike.portal.ca
"Graeme Cameron" <gcam...@pcug.org.au> writes:
> Hi
> Can anyone out there please explain to me the difference between the
> Colnago Tecnos and Master X-Light, both in technical and real-world terms?
> Which is more suited to heavier riders (180lb)?
Thats not SO heavy : > I think you could ride either.
The Technos is slightly lighter than the "X-light".
The dimensions are the same so you are looking at a fancier
paint job and a little more weight for a Master.
> The larger sizes (> 60cm) use a 'Freuler' extended seat lug, what is this?
Havent seen even a picture of one but according to Colnago catalogs I have,
its an extension of the seat tube. Simple as that.
> is the headtube also extended in these sizes to match?
Yes. 60cm = 166 mm 65cm = 208mm
> Perhaps there is a Web Site that explains all this?
Dimensions have shown up on web site from time to time. They are in
the Y2000 catalog. I should scan that page and put it on the web...
G
Tom Kunich
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> Come on now. You could say that most bikes were way too expensive using
this
> logic. A Ferrarri is way too expensive and doesn't perform much better
than a
> Camaro either. Buy the bike that speaks to you. Whoever said bike buying
was a
> rational decision? You might as well enjoy what you ride, because if
you're
> like me you'll never be able to afford a Ferrari, but you can ride the
best
> bikes out there.
Wait a minute -- if you buy a bike from Roland Della-Sante you get a hand
craft bicycle that is brazed up by Roland himself. He builds all or most of
the parts and he does all of the work. He charges LESS than what it will
cost you to buy a Colnago.
The same for Moon and Zinn and most other bicycle frame builders.
These bikes, for the most part will not only perform as well as the best
Colnago ever made, but will fit you properly, generally be better finished
and their builders will normally recognize warranty repairs for your life.
That is value for money.
Most of the Italian iron now is production line stuff that has little
intrinsic value beyond simply being a nice bicycle. Hell, Schwinn is a nice
bicycle and 1/3 the price of a cheap Colnago.
John Forrest Tomlinson
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> Come on now. You could say that most bikes were way too expensive using
this
> logic. A Ferrarri is way too expensive and doesn't perform much better
than a
> Camaro either. Buy the bike that speaks to you. Whoever said bike buying
was a
> rational decision?
Why shouldn't it be?
>You might as well enjoy what you ride,
For me, this goes hand in hand with a rational decision. It's got to handle
well, be reliable, be reasonably light and look not bad. The more money
left over afterwards the better.
JT
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"Tom Kunich" <tku...@diabloresearch.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff Hansen <hjjen...@uswest.net> wrote in message
> news:38D8FD74...@uswest.net...
> > Come on now. You could say that most bikes were way too expensive using
> this
> > logic. A Ferrarri is way too expensive and doesn't perform much better
> than a
> > Camaro either. Buy the bike that speaks to you. Whoever said bike buying
> was a
> > rational decision? You might as well enjoy what you ride, because if
> you're
> > like me you'll never be able to afford a Ferrari, but you can ride the
> best
> > bikes out there.
>
> Wait a minute -- if you buy a bike from Roland Della-Sante you get a hand
> craft bicycle that is brazed up by Roland himself. He builds all or most
of
> the parts and he does all of the work. He charges LESS than what it will
> cost you to buy a Colnago.
>
> The same for Moon and Zinn and most other bicycle frame builders.
>
> These bikes, for the most part will not only perform as well as the best
> Colnago ever made, but will fit you properly, generally be better finished
> and their builders will normally recognize warranty repairs for your life.
>
> That is value for money.
>
> Most of the Italian iron now is production line stuff that has little
> intrinsic value beyond simply being a nice bicycle. Hell, Schwinn is a
nice
> bicycle and 1/3 the price of a cheap Colnago.
>
>
>
I should say, i rarely if ever agree with tom...although, some how his
arguments have been much more sound the past few days...he's right colnago
is cool, but its only real virtue is that its a colnago. they are super
dialed, their geometries are second to none, but you can get a better custom
frame for the price. Grant Peterson's (rivendell) frames are fully
custom...cost you 1799 for a bike cut completely for you...thats cheep
compared to colnago...same for zinn, and his paint jobs are much better than
anything coming out of colnago, or anything from italy for that matter
steve
Jeff Hansen
keep my Colnago. It fits great and I love the ride. Had a Merlin XL before and
I have to say I like the stiffer ride of the Master X Light better. Also could
be that I'm just a sucker for Ernesto's marketing, but it seems like a nice
bike to me. Overpriced? probably...but no more than the Merlin was. Or any
other number of stock bikes I can think of...maybe a true custom is next. Zinn
does live in my town (Boulder). He charges $1750 for a steel frame and fork
(according to his website)...somewhat more than I paid for the Colnago anyway.
Jeff
NEWSGROUPS
of which frame you choose, be sure it fits your physiology, riding style and
intended purpose. Quality materials, craftsman joinery of frame tubes and
dropouts, and a geometry that fits you are the primary considerations in
frame purchases. It is a tool not a piece of jewelry. Spend some time with
a knowlegeable coach or builder to determine the dimensions you need. Just
because Lance, Greg, Chann or Pantani favor a certain design or geometry
does not mean it is the correct geometry for you. ALL frames will
eventually fail regardless of material and constructor. Discussions about
whose decal, contractor, or tubeset add little to performance or function.
If it doesn't fit it is useless. Pros ride what they are paid to ride. You
have a choice.
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