Trek Madone 6.9

[cycl...@yahoo.com]

While I could have gotten a 6.2 to go with my Emonda, I selected the 6.9 pretty much sight unseen. This turned out to be a bad idea. The 6.2 could be set-up with Di2, the 6.9 was nearly impossible and would requite what I think of as dangerous modifications to do so.

Then looking at my Colnago I noticed that it had the proper holes in the proper places to make an internal Di2 setup.

So I bought a manual Dura Ace group to put on the 6.9 and I will install the Di2 on the Colnago.

I have a couple of bikes to sell yet to give me more room in the garage so the Madone is in my computer room at the moment waiting for some things to come in - the bearing presses so that I can install the new BB90 bearings and dust covers.

The trouble my shop guy had with the installation of the Ultegra crank into the BB90 of Emonda, I will likely have with the Madone. If so that will plainly show the intelligence Trek has of converting to the T47 bottom bracket with a metal cross-piece and screw in bearings rather than this difficult to control press in bearings that only save about one ounce.

Presently it is almost 10:00 and it is cloudy and cold outside and I'm trying to work up the courage to take a short FTP ride since tomorrow and Tuesday will probably have rain. I have the Lemond and the Redline still ridable. Last night I ordered new tires for the Lemond (28 mm) and if they work well I'll put the same thing into the Colnago since I think that the ride is too hard with my present weight and 25 mm tires at 90 psi. If I put less air in them they feel like they are bottoming out on the pot holes.

The Colnago CLX 3.0 appears as if I might have some problems with an internal battery mount. The stuff that came with the battery certainly won't work though perhaps the Trek rubber plug may. And there are other mounts available from 2nd sources that I will look at. The seat post is aero shaped so I won't be able to tell until I pull it apart to install the Di2. Here's looking at you babe.

[cycl...@yahoo.com]

The speed with which the USPS operates today is so slow that I can't believe it. Imagine that it has taken two days to get a package from Oakland to here and it is still not arriving today! That is 25 miles at the very most!

[Frank Krygowski]

Life is rough, all right.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 5/11/2020 4:41 PM, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:

BTW, I'm sure it's just coincidence that you begin bashing the USPS so
soon after Trump begins attacking it. Not much for independent thought,
are you?


--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

I have heard that Trek now builds (has built?) all their bicycles in
China and as the Orange One has now decreed that American companies
shall not exist in China isn't it un-patriotic to have a Trek bike?
--
cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

Suits me fine but you should try mentioning country of
origin to Trek owners. They will look right at the label on
their own bike when it's pointed out and dispute the fact.

Not only Trek BTW. The most American-content automobile is
a Toyota. No one believes that either even though it's true.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[sms]

On 5/11/2020 5:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> Not only Trek BTW.  The most American-content automobile is a Toyota. No
> one believes that either even though it's true.

It's not true. In fact Toyota doesn't even have any vehicles in the top
10.
<https://static.carsdn.co/cldstatic/wp-content/uploads/AMI19_rank-chart.jpg>

[AMuzi]

On 5/11/2020 8:07 PM, sms wrote:
> On 5/11/2020 5:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> <snip>
>

>> Not only Trek BTW. The most American-content automobile

>> is a Toyota. No one believes that either even though it's
>> true.
>
> It's not true. In fact Toyota doesn't even have any vehicles
> in the top 10.
> <https://static.carsdn.co/cldstatic/wp-content/uploads/AMI19_rank-chart.jpg>
>
>

Thank you. My, that's changed a lot the past few years.
Underlying data here:

https://www.american.edu/kogod/research/autoindex/2019-auto-index.cfm

[John B.]

Will they? I was sure that I read, right here, that Trek now makes all
their bicycles in China. The Wiki, for whatever that is worth, says
that 1% of TREK bikes are made in the U.S.

>Not only Trek BTW. The most American-content automobile is
>a Toyota. No one believes that either even though it's true.

I think that may have changed or was different in 2019, see
https://tinyurl.com/y6reays3
and
https://tinyurl.com/ya3eg966
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Mon, 11 May 2020 20:22:09 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/11/2020 8:07 PM, sms wrote:
>> On 5/11/2020 5:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Not only Trek BTW. The most American-content automobile
>>> is a Toyota. No one believes that either even though it's
>>> true.
>>
>> It's not true. In fact Toyota doesn't even have any vehicles
>> in the top 10.
>> <https://static.carsdn.co/cldstatic/wp-content/uploads/AMI19_rank-chart.jpg>
>>
>>
>
>Thank you. My, that's changed a lot the past few years.
>Underlying data here:
>
>https://www.american.edu/kogod/research/autoindex/2019-auto-index.cfm

But, in essence, it is probably immaterial unless the answer to the
question, "Can the U.S. go it without any imports" is yes.
And, as the recent trade war has demonstrated certain U.S. industries
apparently depend on exports. Agricultural products for example, some
$131 billion worth.
--
cheers,

John B.

[news18]

On Mon, 11 May 2020 19:39:15 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


> Not only Trek BTW. The most American-content automobile is a Toyota. No
> one believes that either even though it's true.

Are the components made there or just the final product assembled there?

[AMuzi]

I was wrong, as Mr Scharf noted. Currently, others have more
domestic content which is judged by total value of all the
various components.

And yes, an assembly facility is usually surrounded by a
host of component makers.

[cycl...@yahoo.com]

Well, a lot of components in the Ford F-150, by far the largest selling vehicle in the US (who would have believed that?) are manufactured in Mexico. Jeep I believe is now a subsidiary of Land Rover.

So the point of "American made" should be North American made and most parts in Chevys come from China don't they?

[AMuzi]

On 5/12/2020 11:45 AM, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 11, 2020 at 6:22:22 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/11/2020 8:07 PM, sms wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2020 5:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>

>>>> Not only Trek BTW. The most American-content automobile

>>>> is a Toyota. No one believes that either even though it's
>>>> true.
>>>
>>> It's not true. In fact Toyota doesn't even have any vehicles
>>> in the top 10.
>>> <https://static.carsdn.co/cldstatic/wp-content/uploads/AMI19_rank-chart.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thank you. My, that's changed a lot the past few years.
>> Underlying data here:
>>
>> https://www.american.edu/kogod/research/autoindex/2019-auto-index.cfm
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> Well, a lot of components in the Ford F-150, by far the largest selling vehicle in the US (who would have believed that?) are manufactured in Mexico. Jeep I believe is now a subsidiary of Land Rover.
>
> So the point of "American made" should be North American made and most parts in Chevys come from China don't they?
>

Jeep is a Fiat brand.

[cycl...@yahoo.com]

Yeah, I looked that up and it is weird because I can distinctly remember them talking about Jeep being sold to Land Rover and it stuck in my head because locally there is a jerk driving a Land Rover that has to be 10 feet wide. It's lot of fun being on the road with him.

[sms]

On 5/12/2020 6:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/12/2020 2:32 AM, news18 wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 May 2020 19:39:15 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Not only Trek BTW.  The most American-content automobile is a Toyota. No
>>> one believes that either even though it's true.
>>
>> Are the components made there or just the final product assembled there?
>>
>
> I was wrong, as Mr Scharf noted. Currently, others have more domestic
> content which is judged by total value of all the various components.
>
> And yes, an assembly facility is usually surrounded by a host of
> component makers.

The domestic content law is quite convoluted, including the meaning of
"domestic." The percentage of domestic components is one thing, but
there's also where the final product is assembled.

Bottom line is that you're better off just looking at where the vehicle
was assembled. Slowly, the major components are being made domestically
as well as the final product.

[news18]

On Tue, 12 May 2020 08:28:16 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

> On 5/12/2020 2:32 AM, news18 wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 May 2020 19:39:15 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Not only Trek BTW. The most American-content automobile is a Toyota.
>>> No one believes that either even though it's true.
>>
>> Are the components made there or just the final product assembled
>> there?
>>
>>
> I was wrong, as Mr Scharf noted. Currently, others have more domestic
> content which is judged by total value of all the various components.
>
> And yes, an assembly facility is usually surrounded by a host of
> component makers.

FWIW, 20 miles away is one of those here who supplies Ford in the USA.
Well, he did a decade ago, but he was experiencing quality problems from
his chinese casters and was explaining that after having casting made in
China(cheaper than here), he now had to ship them back to Australia for
quality assurance and final assembly before finally shipping them here.

[AMuzi]

Yes, I am all too familiar!

After four failures and some detective work I discovered
that all three major US suppliers of cam gear for my engine
buy the same chinese gear blank:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/140cam34.jpg

There is one speed shop in Los Angeles who make an entirely
US cam gear for hardly much extra cost, especially
considering the huge expense of a full engine rebuild and
extraneous damage after cam gear failure. I'm sure your
neighbor found excessive freight and inspection costs offset
a big chunk of his 'saving' in dealing with the 'middle
finger kingdom'.

[sms]

On 5/12/2020 6:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:

> On 5/12/2020 2:32 AM, news18 wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 May 2020 19:39:15 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Not only Trek BTW.  The most American-content automobile is a Toyota. No
>>> one believes that either even though it's true.
>>
>> Are the components made there or just the final product assembled there?
>>
>
> I was wrong, as Mr Scharf noted. Currently, others have more domestic
> content which is judged by total value of all the various components.
>
> And yes, an assembly facility is usually surrounded by a host of
> component makers.

A couple of years ago I had a contract job at a company in Fremont, very
near the Tesla factory. We needed some machine shop CNC work and it was
impossible to find any machine shop to take on some simple prototype
work because every shop was going flat out doing Tesla jobs as Tesla
struggled to ramp up production. We finally found someone with a CNC
mill in their garage who squeezed us in. Prior to Tesla, a lot of those
small machine shops were struggling trying to keep their CNC machines
going. Now that Tesla has appeared to have worked out their
manufacturing issues I doubt if they're still using all that capacity
from small machine shops.

[cycl...@yahoo.com]

Imagine the financial devastation that the moving of Tesla is going to cause. Elon Musk has had all of the smart-ass ignorance of Alameda County Supervisors he is going to take and all it is going to take is a Deputy showing up at his doorway with a cease and desist order and Fremont will die in less than a year.

[Frank Krygowski]

Wow - so the hub sheared right out of the gear?

Are the shapes identical, meaning it's a casting or metallurgy problem?
Or is the cheaper one visibly thinner, etc.?

I was once hired to testify in an arbitration between two companies. It
was a similar failure, but a weldment with parts about 30 times larger.
I pointed out that the company that built the part had welded the hub in
place, then machined almost all the weld away, causing the failure.

The arbitrator in charge said "But wouldn't the remaining weld withstand
_some_ torque?"

Yes - and if they stuck it on with chewing gum, it would withstand
_some_ torque. But the arbitrator used the "_some_ torque" idea to
reduce my client's award.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

On 5/13/2020 10:09 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/13/2020 9:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/13/2020 12:23 AM, news18 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 May 2020 08:28:16 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/12/2020 2:32 AM, news18 wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 11 May 2020 19:39:15 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>> Not only Trek BTW. The most American-content

>> rebuild and extraneous damage after cam gear failure.Â

>> I'm sure your neighbor found excessive freight and
>> inspection costs offset a big chunk of his 'saving' in
>> dealing with the 'middle finger kingdom'.
>
> Wow - so the hub sheared right out of the gear?
>
> Are the shapes identical, meaning it's a casting or
> metallurgy problem? Or is the cheaper one visibly thinner,
> etc.?
>
> I was once hired to testify in an arbitration between two
> companies. It was a similar failure, but a weldment with
> parts about 30 times larger. I pointed out that the company
> that built the part had welded the hub in place, then
> machined almost all the weld away, causing the failure.
>
> The arbitrator in charge said "But wouldn't the remaining
> weld withstand _some_ torque?"
>
> Yes - and if they stuck it on with chewing gum, it would
> withstand _some_ torque. But the arbitrator used the "_some_
> torque" idea to reduce my client's award.
>

Sadly, that image is one of my two broken Clark's brand.
These aftermarket gears are made to about the same
dimensions as the factory gear but the material is of lesser
integrity. The all-US made gear has a thicker wall with a
much larger gently sloping radius between wall and shaft
mount rather than the sharp edge shown.

[Frank Krygowski]

For a long time in one of my classes, I gave a few extra credit points
to any student who brought in a broken mechanical part and gave a good
explanation of the cause of failure. That would have been a good one.


--
- Frank Krygowski