SRAM PC48 Chain Is Now What?
(PeteCresswell)
has changed their numbering system.
Why dey do dat? Too many customers and they want to reduce the
demand? If I had been able to recognize the chain I needed I
might have bought a half-dozen... but I was lost with the new
numbers.
Anyhow, two questions:
1) What has the PC48 become? PC850?
2) What was the diff between PC48 and PC58 and, if
significant, what has the PC58 become?
--
PeteCresswell
landotter
> Just went browsing for some spare chains and it looks like SRAM
> has changed their numbering system.
>
> Why dey do dat? Too many customers and they want to reduce the
> demand? If I had been able to recognize the chain I needed I
> might have bought a half-dozen... but I was lost with the new
> numbers.
>
> Anyhow, two questions:
>
> 1) What has the PC48 become? PC850?
AFAIK. Got one running on the ute bike. Shifts and runs as well as I'd
ever need a chain to.
>
> 2) What was the diff between PC48 and PC58 and, if
> significant, what has the PC58 become?
> --
PC870. You pay double for shine.
Tim McNamara
<b706640b-106f-46df...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
landotter <land...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 2:36�pm, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
> > Just went browsing for some spare chains and it looks like SRAM has
> > changed their numbering system. �
> >
> > Why dey do dat? �
Bigger numbers means that the chain is more technologically advanced.
> Too many customers and they want to reduce the
> > demand? � If I had been able to recognize the chain I needed I
> > might have bought a half-dozen... but I was lost with the new
> > numbers.
> >
> > Anyhow, two questions:
> >
> > 1) What has the PC48 become? �PC850?
>
> AFAIK. Got one running on the ute bike. Shifts and runs as well as
> I'd ever need a chain to.
Next year it'll be the PC1068. It'll be the same actual chain, but will
be more advanced due to the bigger model number.
> > 2) What was the diff between PC48 and PC58 and, if � �significant,
> > what has the PC58 become? --
>
> PC870. You pay double for shine.
Bike component companies have figured out that we, the customers, are
bloody stupid and will pay far above the actual value of a product.
This is especially true of consumable products like chains, cassettes
and tires. $60 for a bike tire? My car tires didn't cost that much.
Chalo
>
> Bike component companies have figured out that we, the customers, are
> bloody stupid and will pay far above the actual value of a product.
> This is especially true of consumable products like chains, cassettes
> and tires. $60 for a bike tire? My car tires didn't cost that much.
Your car tire retailer is able to keep the doors open while marking
things up a lot less than 100%. In terms of cost to produce versus
cost to purchase, your LBS is paying more wholesale to get your bike
tire than you are paying retail from Pep Boys, Walmart, etc.
It could be worse. Consider light aircraft tires.
http://www.airsuppliers.com/Cessna_%28Textron%29_tires.htm
Or even motorcycle tires.
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&source=hp&q=metzeler+motorcycle+tires
Chalo
datakoll
anyway, Jenson for example is selling uh wahtstherename ? chains for
$8 - 12.
Shimano does nomenclature. Unnngh Shim could pub a list of deray
numbers. Why ? caws I don't know what I buying. Others suffer the same
anxiety appearing in RBT to ask 'NOW WHAT' ? I can't get any
nomore.... gnaw. its just evolution.
AMuzi
You do not have to knuckle under to the 'capitalist roaders
and running dogs'[1] at SRAM:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140351429580
[1] Mao's phrasing
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Norman
> In article
> <b706640b-106f-46df-b47a-015a15298...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 2:36 pm, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
> > > Just went browsing for some spare chains and it looks like SRAM has
> > > changed their numbering system.
>
> > > Why dey do dat?
>
> Bigger numbers means that the chain is more technologically advanced.
>
At least they still make the PC-1. Or, I guess next year's
PC-1x10^0.
landotter
Ugh. That chain's a noisy POS. Anything from Xmart or Dick's is better.
Tim McNamara
<5a9a5fd0-734d-47a2...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Chalo <chalo....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
> >
> > Bike component companies have figured out that we, the customers,
> > are bloody stupid and will pay far above the actual value of a
> > product. � This is especially true of consumable products like
> > chains, cassettes and tires. �$60 for a bike tire? �My car tires
> > didn't cost that much.
>
> Your car tire retailer is able to keep the doors open while marking
> things up a lot less than 100%. In terms of cost to produce versus
> cost to purchase, your LBS is paying more wholesale to get your bike
> tire than you are paying retail from Pep Boys, Walmart, etc.
The problem is not in the bike shop, the problem is with the
manufacturers and middlemen. Having worked in a couple shops and
knowing a few shop owners, I know this is rarely a high-profit business
at the retail end of things.
<topic drift>
I buy my (car) tires from a locally owned business (which is generally
true of most things I buy, when I can manage it), so I pay probably a
bit more than I might pay at a big box store.
http://www.northcountrytire.com/index.htm
My Dad was a small business owner so I am partial to doing business with
guys like that:
http://www.houseofglasselmhurst.com/
Owned by someone else now, named Steve, who is just a stand-up guy and
treated my Dad (and then my Mom, after my Dad died) scrupulously well in
buying the business. Wow, there's a (bad) photo of the newspaper
article about my Dad's retirement. Sorry, need a moment, talk among
yourselves.
I'm always happy to know that there honest, high quality people out
there owning businesses, and I try to track them down when I want to buy
something. I might pay a few dollars more but I have a much more
satisfactory experience with them.
</topic drift>
> It could be worse. Consider light aircraft tires.
> http://www.airsuppliers.com/Cessna_%28Textron%29_tires.htm
>
> Or even motorcycle tires.
> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&source=hp&q=metzeler+motorcycle+t
> ires
Yeah. Same deal- an enthusiast market willing to let itself be
overcharged and wowed with smoke and mirrors.
Ronko
x...@y.Invalid says...
Low price = chain that works.
Pay more = chain that works but looks shinier.
Pay much more = chain that works but looks really shiny.
Tom Ace
> You do not have to knuckle under to the 'capitalist roaders
> and running dogs'[1] at SRAM:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140351429580
Gotta love a brand name like Velocipednaya.
I'd buy one if it came in red.
Tom Ace
bjwe...@gmail.com
Brand name? I think it just says "bicycle chain"
in Russian. I don't speak Russian and had to use
Google to translate "chain."
Ben
Tom Ace
wrote:
> Brand name? I think it just says "bicycle chain"
> in Russian. I don't speak Russian and had to use
> Google to translate "chain."
You're right. I stand corrected.
Tom Ace
AMuzi
>> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> You do not have to knuckle under to the 'capitalist roaders
>>> and running dogs'[1] at SRAM:
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140351429580
> Tom Ace <tom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gotta love a brand name like Velocipednaya.
>> I'd buy one if it came in red.
b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Brand name? I think it just says "bicycle chain"
> in Russian. I don't speak Russian and had to use
> Google to translate "chain."
My Russian expert Alexei says that's right. No brand name
because it is The Bicycle Chain on offer. Why would you want
a choice?
What has 200 legs and eats cabbage? The line at a Soviet
butcher.
bjwe...@gmail.com
I was thinking the same thing about the lack of need
for brand names, but I have or have seen a few other
Soviet-era products and they did have brand or factory
names. The most notable being some of their cameras -
FED, Zorki and so on. These were partly on the export
market, but the names existed before they were exported.
Soviet-era joke (I have a good book of these collected
in the USSR, plus got some from emigres back in the 80s):
A national radio talk show is being run out of the
Moscow studio. A call comes in from Armenia,
and the host asks for the local update: "How is it
now with meat in Armenia?"
The caller answers: "With meat everything is fine,
without meat it's terrible!"
Ben
Nick
You might want to look at similar quality but cheaper KMC chains,
including similar powerlink.
I switched from the SRAM PC 48 to the KMC Z82 a few years ago without
problems.
I think the direct comparison to PC48 is the KMC Z51 but I've not tried
that.
andre...@aol.com
I agree. I was a Sram user since it was called sedis sport. Man! I am
getting old. I switched to KMC a few years ago. Nashbar sometimes has
KMC tandem chains for $14.00. You get two chains out of one.
(PeteCresswell)
>You might want to look at similar quality but cheaper KMC chains,
>including similar powerlink.
>
>I switched from the SRAM PC 48 to the KMC Z82 a few years ago without
>problems.
>
>I think the direct comparison to PC48 is the KMC Z51 but I've not tried
Thanks. Looks like about ten bucks a chain w/master link,
before shipping.
Sound about right to you?
Certainly a lot cheaper than SRAM....
--
PeteCresswell
thirty-six
The noise just means there is plenty of clearance so as to get a good
grease store in there..
thirty-six
Good tip. How many links do you get with a tandem chain?
Andre Jute
I think single-gear/fixie/hub gear/7-8speed allweather riders and
commuters need KMC's X8. It's the default chain on my Utopia with
Rohloff geartrain; Utopia, who don't count cost, after conducting
independent tests chose the X8 as their recommended chain over
Rohloff's own chain, and after all these years still consider it the
best chain for the high-mileage all-condition bikes that should also
be low-maintenance.
KMC have a KMC Chain Selector PDF on their site which includes these
significant elements before the arrow pointing to the X8:
"Do you ride more than 1000km in one year and/or do you use your bike
in rough conditions (rain, mud, etc)?"
It is clear from the channeling of questions and the arrangement of
the chain sets that KMC, who should surely know, consider the X8 more
capable and longer-wearing for distance riders and/or harsh conditions
than their more expensive chains.
The X8 is a 3/32in wide 7-8 speed chain and comes in two versions
named 99 and and 93 with the 99 having more silvering for better
rustproofing.
As I say, I have a KMC X8 99, but mine has only 2000km on it and runs
inside an enclosed chaincase so it should be near-new. All I can tell
you is that it feels solid, appears to be stiffer in the sense of
having has less sideplay than my other chains (SRAM, Connex, etc), and
is quiet and smooth-running. It looks to be a fit and forget chain; I
give it a couple of drops of lubricant (Oil of Rohloff) every 500km,
possibly superfluously.
The KMC X8 comes with a quick-release power link which I haven't tried
yet.
From my fave mailorder discounter, Chainreaction Cycles in Belfast,
the X8 costs about the same 16-17 Euro as a rustproofed Connex, so it
isn't as cheap as some KMC chains; it's about the middle of the range.
Not that I'll be buying it from CRC -- my bike has such a long
wheelbase that I need 126 links and am thus better off buying the OEM
KMC X8 99 straight from the manufacturers of my bike.
Andre Jute
The rest is magic hidden in the hub.
For rare hub gear bikes, visit Jute on Bicycles at
http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html
andre...@aol.com
Double a regular chain