Banana Bottle Cage Solves the Age-Old Problem of Carrying a Banana While Cycling

[sms]

Bananas are the perfect food for cyclists, but up until now it's been a
problem to carry them while riding. You can shove them into a bicycle
jersey pocket but that's uncomfortable and the banana can get squished.
Similarly, shoving the banana into a seat bag is a bad idea. Most
cyclists don't want to use a clunky handlebar bag and they won't have a
rear rack on which they can use a trunk bag.

Finally, there's a solution to this age-old problem, the "Banana Bottle
Cage," see <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802821954210.html>.

I was not involved in the development of this revolutionary product,
even though it is called the "SMS Bicycle Banana Cage Holder."

"Features:

Bananas are easy to carry, convenient to use, easy to digest, high in
calories, and inexpensive in cycling activities. They are available in
all seasons. Therefore, bananas are an excellent food for replenishing
physical fitness before and after exercise.

Aluminum alloy, waterproof and corrosion resistant.
The edge surface is round and smooth
Quick release structure design, can be quickly removed"

It's available in eight colors. Hopefully you have sets of two bottle
cage mounts so you can still have a water bottle as well. Or, as one
person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).

Add a handlebar mount cup holder and you can enjoy two perfect foods for
cycling, coffee and bananas.

[AMuzi]

Nice if you like that sort of thing.
Except for one Lutz track jersey, all my others have pockets.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:39:26 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

>Or, as one
>person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
>frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).

There are better ways to carry a banana:
<https://www.blessthisstuff.com/stuff/vehicles/cycles/banana-holder/>
<https://twitter.com/Banana_Holster/header_photo>
<https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Belt-Fanny-Drink-Holder/dp/B08ZRXK6PD/>
<http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jjqlEoLFDNQ/S7p-q1SfFZI/AAAAAAAABv8/UyEuGoWhA4k/s1600/Holster_Blk.gif>
<https://www.deviantart.com/ceanji/art/Banana-Holster-448166243>
<https://m.facebook.com/SkodaCycling/photos/a.478342125579947/1460046787409471/>

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Joerg]

On 7/19/22 9:17 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:39:26 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Or, as one
>> person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
>> frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).
>
> There are better ways to carry a banana:
> <https://www.blessthisstuff.com/stuff/vehicles/cycles/banana-holder/>
> <https://twitter.com/Banana_Holster/header_photo>
> <https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Belt-Fanny-Drink-Holder/dp/B08ZRXK6PD/>
> <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jjqlEoLFDNQ/S7p-q1SfFZI/AAAAAAAABv8/UyEuGoWhA4k/s1600/Holster_Blk.gif>
> <https://www.deviantart.com/ceanji/art/Banana-Holster-448166243>
> <https://m.facebook.com/SkodaCycling/photos/a.478342125579947/1460046787409471/>
>

Or ... this:

https://stillspirits.com/products/top-shelf-banana-schnapps-flavouring

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

[AMuzi]

On 7/19/2022 11:17 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:39:26 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Or, as one
>> person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
>> frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).
>
> There are better ways to carry a banana:
> <https://www.blessthisstuff.com/stuff/vehicles/cycles/banana-holder/>
> <https://twitter.com/Banana_Holster/header_photo>
> <https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Belt-Fanny-Drink-Holder/dp/B08ZRXK6PD/>
> <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jjqlEoLFDNQ/S7p-q1SfFZI/AAAAAAAABv8/UyEuGoWhA4k/s1600/Holster_Blk.gif>
> <https://www.deviantart.com/ceanji/art/Banana-Holster-448166243>
> <https://m.facebook.com/SkodaCycling/photos/a.478342125579947/1460046787409471/>
>

meh.

pockets:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/weKvARXnwrETizQLhaXBz4-768-80.jpg

[Roger Merriman]

Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:39:26 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Or, as one
>> person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
>> frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).
>
> There are better ways to carry a banana:
> <https://www.blessthisstuff.com/stuff/vehicles/cycles/banana-holder/>
> <https://twitter.com/Banana_Holster/header_photo>
> <https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Belt-Fanny-Drink-Holder/dp/B08ZRXK6PD/>
> <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jjqlEoLFDNQ/S7p-q1SfFZI/AAAAAAAABv8/UyEuGoWhA4k/s1600/Holster_Blk.gif>
> <https://www.deviantart.com/ceanji/art/Banana-Holster-448166243>
> <https://m.facebook.com/SkodaCycling/photos/a.478342125579947/1460046787409471/>
>

If it’s colder the MTB (3/4) baggies have huge number of pockets so plenty
of space for bananas.

If not I personally don’t find them any more or less annoying than bars and
what not in a jersey pocket.

This said I do tend to ride in more baggy stuff as it’s more comfortable
though almost certainly less aero if one is concerned!

Roger Merriman

[Joerg]

On 7/19/22 9:47 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:39:26 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Or, as one
>>> person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
>>> frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).
>>
>> There are better ways to carry a banana:
>> <https://www.blessthisstuff.com/stuff/vehicles/cycles/banana-holder/>
>> <https://twitter.com/Banana_Holster/header_photo>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Belt-Fanny-Drink-Holder/dp/B08ZRXK6PD/>
>> <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jjqlEoLFDNQ/S7p-q1SfFZI/AAAAAAAABv8/UyEuGoWhA4k/s1600/Holster_Blk.gif>
>> <https://www.deviantart.com/ceanji/art/Banana-Holster-448166243>
>> <https://m.facebook.com/SkodaCycling/photos/a.478342125579947/1460046787409471/>
>>
>
> If it’s colder the MTB (3/4) baggies have huge number of pockets so plenty
> of space for bananas.
>

No need for baggies:

https://static.africa-press.net/mozambique/sites/64/2022/07/postQueueImg_16.jpg

> If not I personally don’t find them any more or less annoying than bars and
> what not in a jersey pocket.
>

Food rides in the panniers which are indentical between road bike and
MTB, making a spontaneous change of plans a matter of seconds. Almost on
every ride with a small group some folks will ask me "Can you carry
this, that and the other thing in your panniers?". And often I am almost
the only rider with a non-electrical bike.

Occasionally a bottle or two of homebrew suds will ride along. Plus a
couple of big homemade sandwiches with French bread. Plus a few
Landjaeger sausages. Oh, and the bottle with electrolyte.

> This said I do tend to ride in more baggy stuff as it’s more comfortable
> though almost certainly less aero if one is concerned!
>

Jeans shorts and T-shirt for me, all year round. From 30F to 110F, rain
or shine.

[sms]

On 7/19/2022 9:17 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:39:26 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Or, as one
>> person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
>> frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).
>
> There are better ways to carry a banana:
> <https://www.blessthisstuff.com/stuff/vehicles/cycles/banana-holder/>

That's $55!

> <https://twitter.com/Banana_Holster/header_photo>

Not designed for bananas.

> <https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Belt-Fanny-Drink-Holder/dp/B08ZRXK6PD/>

Not a banana holder.

> <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jjqlEoLFDNQ/S7p-q1SfFZI/AAAAAAAABv8/UyEuGoWhA4k/s1600/Holster_Blk.gif>
> <https://www.deviantart.com/ceanji/art/Banana-Holster-448166243>

Not a real product.

> <https://m.facebook.com/SkodaCycling/photos/a.478342125579947/1460046787409471/>

Nice, but not something you can actually buy.

[Lou Holtman]

Pff what a crap. Banana's are way overrated as energy supplier during cycling. A midsize banana contains 110 Kcal and weighs 230 gr including the peel. I take a (good tasting) bar and a gel with me, just in case of an emergency. For a 3 hr ride I don't need food so most of the time I bring them home again. They weigh together 130 gr and contain 340 Kcal; two time as light, 3 times more energy and fit easily in your back pocket.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/s7KcXz54M32Lu1CR8

yes the banana have to look like this for maximum energy. If they are greener they are just mass and only bother you. Banana's are something from the past. If you like them go ahead but for me they end up in the yoghurt when I get home. FYI I prefer to stop at a bakery.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/n4TQASETMYjNgLT16

Lou

[Joerg]

Sometimes we should make stuff ourselves, especially when the industry
fails us. It ain't that hard to do. Most bike mods are really simple and
quick.

https://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/bottleholder.JPG
https://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Rearlight1.JPG

Some not so simple but still not rocket science.

https://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy5.JPG

Or when you have a tire blowout in the boonies:

https://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Gauze.JPG

It hung on for more than 10mi until arrival at the destination. The wrap
came out of the first aid kit in my bike panniers. It's always good to
carry a snippet of running surface from an old tire.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/19/2022 2:45 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>
> Pff what a crap. Banana's are way overrated as energy supplier during cycling. A midsize banana contains 110 Kcal and weighs 230 gr including the peel. I take a (good tasting) bar and a gel with me, just in case of an emergency. For a 3 hr ride I don't need food so most of the time I bring them home again. They weigh together 130 gr and contain 340 Kcal; two time as light, 3 times more energy and fit easily in your back pocket.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/s7KcXz54M32Lu1CR8
>
> yes the banana have to look like this for maximum energy. If they are greener they are just mass and only bother you. Banana's are something from the past. If you like them go ahead but for me they end up in the yoghurt when I get home. FYI I prefer to stop at a bakery.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/n4TQASETMYjNgLT16

I agree in general. I long ago gave up fussing with carrying and trying
to protect bananas. For a long while I carried energy bars (mostly
because I was given a box) as an emergency food source. For the last few
years, I'm more likely to carry a baggie with a mix of peanuts and
raisins. But stopping at a cafe, when available, is one of the pleasures
of cycling for me.

For last chance emergencies, I have a few restaurant packets of honey in
one of my bag pockets, along with a few restaurant packets of mustard.
The latter are to help against cramps, which have gotten to be more of a
problem as I've aged.

Some people would claim cramps are a symptom of potassium deficiency,
and that bananas are helpful. In my experience they don't seem to help.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

And yet, the love affair continues....

https://cyclingtips.com/2022/03/the-banana-is-writing-a-beautiful-story-with-the-tour-de-france/

[Sir Ridesalot]

Whenever I ride way out in the boonies, I take a spare folding tire with me just in case. That sure beats a kluge fix that might well fail and it also beats having to walk out.

Cheers

[Roger Merriman]

I don’t take much with me, realistically most stuff that goes wrong is due
to bike being in poor maintenance, so I take Allen keys, pump etc just in
case. Maybe a bar which will generally fit in the saddle bag.

It’s only bigger days out I might need to use back pockets, and only on the
Gravel bike, the MTB saddle bag is fairly huge so plenty of space for such
stuff.

>
>
>> This said I do tend to ride in more baggy stuff as it’s more comfortable
>> though almost certainly less aero if one is concerned!
>>
>
> Jeans shorts and T-shirt for me, all year round. From 30F to 110F, rain
> or shine.
>

I run at lower temperatures, realistically 25/80 being the upper limit of
what I find comfortable, though I’m happy down to -20 or so (0F)

I find non cycling clothes get trashed fairly quickly I did use some
normal shorts on the commute and they just wore though fairly rapidly.

Roger Merriman

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:39:32 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> Bananas are the perfect food for cyclists, but up until now it's been a
> problem to carry them while riding. You can shove them into a bicycle
> jersey pocket but that's uncomfortable and the banana can get squished.

???????
Not sure why a banana in a jersey pocket is uncomfortable. You aren't riding with a monkey on your back holding the banana and pounding it into your kidneys. And as for getting squished, the elastic on my jersey pockets is not too strong. It cannot squish and sever the banana.

> Similarly, shoving the banana into a seat bag is a bad idea. Most
> cyclists don't want to use a clunky handlebar bag and they won't have a
> rear rack on which they can use a trunk bag.
>
> Finally, there's a solution to this age-old problem, the "Banana Bottle
> Cage," see <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802821954210.html>.
>
> I was not involved in the development of this revolutionary product,
> even though it is called the "SMS Bicycle Banana Cage Holder."
>
> "Features:
>
> Bananas are easy to carry, convenient to use, easy to digest, high in
> calories, and inexpensive in cycling activities. They are available in
> all seasons. Therefore, bananas are an excellent food for replenishing
> physical fitness before and after exercise.
>
> Aluminum alloy, waterproof and corrosion resistant.
> The edge surface is round and smooth
> Quick release structure design, can be quickly removed"
>
> It's available in eight colors. Hopefully you have sets of two bottle
> cage mounts so you can still have a water bottle as well. Or, as one
> person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
> frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).

I added (actually the bike shop guy) water bottle holes to my 1970s cheap steel bike frame. Great addition to make the bike more useful. They were the drywall anchor kind where you drill a larger hole and stuff the whole apparatus into the downtube. Then when tightening the screws, it collapses the lower threaded, split, part of the apparatus up against the underside of the tube.

>
> Add a handlebar mount cup holder and you can enjoy two perfect foods for
> cycling, coffee and bananas.

They do make this banana holder in colorful colors. But apparently they had Tommy boy dong their proofreading. One of the colors is "Pueple". Not sure why Andy is not raving about this useful item. They are using a Cinelli bike in their advertisement. That has got to count for something. Cinelli!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a newer Columbus aluminum frame, not a classic lugged steel Cinelli.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:39:32 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:

Forgot to mention at the bottom of your page there is an advertisement for a DOUBLE BARRELED banana holder. Only $18.89.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256803238763132.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.1.c2562190OK0C4p&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.281175.0&scm_id=1007.40050.281175.0&scm-url=1007.40050.281175.0&pvid=886143e5-dde2-4607-8da9-6a224b7ecc78&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.281175.0,pvid:886143e5-dde2-4607-8da9-6a224b7ecc78,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238111%231996&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000025728326082%22%2C%22sceneId%22%3A%2230050%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%21%2113.99%21%21%21%21%21%402101d1b916582751870281547e5266%2112000025728326082%21rec

[John B.]

You might take a look at:
https://tinyurl.com/app
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

The product is a Rivnut(tm):
https://www.rivetnutusa.com/rivnut-rivet-nut/

[Sir Ridesalot]

Plus, they want you to forgo the use of a pair of water bottle mounts in order to carry those bananas. Where I am, in the heat and humidity, a bottle of water is a LOT more important than banana. I can carry those bananas in a jersey pocket.

I wonder if those banana holders accept all sizes of bananas?

Cheers

[John B.]

But even more questionable is, "Why Bananas?" O.K., they are cheap
$0.23 each at Amazon, but someone here was saying that $3,000 was a
decent price of a bike....
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Amazon sells individual bananas? Hmmmmmm. They are about $0.59 per pound at my local grocery store. I don't know how much each banana weighs so can't calculate the individual banana price.

[John B.]

Nope. I made a mistake it is Walmart selling one each for 23 cents.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bananas-each/44390948

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Sepp Ruf]

Roger Merriman wrote:
> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>> On 7/19/22 9:47 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

>>> This said I do tend to ride in more baggy stuff as it’s more comfortable
>>> though almost certainly less aero if one is concerned!
>>>
>>
>> Jeans shorts and T-shirt for me, all year round. From 30F to 110F, rain
>> or shine.

Want to come back for one winter, to take the interim cabinet position
of climate superminister in case the current lineup were to somehow
"fall out of favor" prematurely?
<https://www.altyazi.org/wp-content/uploads/1978/11/power-play-1978-2.jpg>

> I run at lower temperatures, realistically 25/80 being the upper limit of
> what I find comfortable, though I’m happy down to -20 or so (0F)

Blessed cold-weather knees you have, both of you!

> I find non cycling clothes get trashed fairly quickly I did use some
> normal shorts on the commute and they just wore though fairly rapidly.

<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIBtnI6VUAMxkop?format=jpg>
"normal shorts" =;-0

[Roger Merriman]

Hot pants!

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

Last week I did our Moraga Ride and they were offering Cliff Bars so I bought one. I didn't notice anything special. Yesterday I got a pastry instead and I definitely noticed a difference. So these power bars definitely do what they are designed to do even if you don't notice it. I bought a bunch of these "ketones" which were in little metal containers. I could feel the power return to my muscles when they were tired but it didn't last very long. So back to power bars.

[Tom Kunich]

Yesterday on that 25 mile 2200 feet climb ride, the Garmin said that I should have gone through 4.5 bottles of water. I went though none though I had a Capaccino at the stop. I keep meaning to try drinking on these rides and never get around to it.

[sms]

On 7/19/2022 11:29 AM, Joerg wrote:

<snip>

> Occasionally a bottle or two of homebrew suds will ride along. Plus a
> couple of big homemade sandwiches with French bread. Plus a few
> Landjaeger sausages. Oh, and the bottle with electrolyte.

Too bad Brawndo is no longer available.

[Joerg]

It came bag in the shape of T-shirts and mugs:

https://www.etsy.com/market/brawndo

[Joerg]

I carry stuff that hardly anyone does, such as tow rope. And yes, that
did get used a few times (to tow other riders). Then there is a spare
dog leash and that has brought home several lost pooches.

>>
>>
>>> This said I do tend to ride in more baggy stuff as it’s more comfortable
>>> though almost certainly less aero if one is concerned!
>>>
>>
>> Jeans shorts and T-shirt for me, all year round. From 30F to 110F, rain
>> or shine.
>>
> I run at lower temperatures, realistically 25/80 being the upper limit of
> what I find comfortable, though I’m happy down to -20 or so (0F)
>
> I find non cycling clothes get trashed fairly quickly I did use some
> normal shorts on the commute and they just wore though fairly rapidly.
>

What did wear way too fast was those cargo shorts from stretch fabric.
Lasted 20 rides or so. Jeans shorts OTOH last hundreds of rides, years,
including some MTB crashes and barreling through Manzanita. These are
not high-end jeans shorts, it's the $15-20 class. I always make sure to
buys non-stone-washed which lasts longer because they aren't
artificially pre-aged.

With T-shirts I wear them during normal days. When they start looking a
bit worn they move to the cycling stack. Once they become too grungy
even for MTB rides they move on to the yard work stack.

[Radey Shouman]

Surely anyone who can use a nail as a chain breaker could improvise a
dog leash from a rope.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Happy? at 0 Fahrenheit?

I've ridden at 0 F. But happy was not a word I used.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Yep. I have the lawn mowing and painting clothes too. They cover the parts of the body that have to be legally covered. And that's about all that can be said about them.

[AMuzi]

On 7/22/2022 12:00 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:38:50 PM UTC-5, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/19/22 9:47 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:39:26 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, as one
>>>>>> person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
>>>>>> frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).
>>>>>
>>>>> There are better ways to carry a banana:
>>>>> <https://www.blessthisstuff.com/stuff/vehicles/cycles/banana-holder/>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/Banana_Holster/header_photo>
>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Belt-Fanny-Drink-Holder/dp/B08ZRXK6PD/>
>>>>> <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jjqlEoLFDNQ/S7p-q1SfFZI/AAAAAAAABv8/UyEuGoWhA4k/s1600/Holster_Blk.gif>
>>>>> <https://www.deviantart.com/ceanji/art/Banana-Holster-448166243>
>>>>> <https://m.facebook.com/SkodaCycling/photos/a.478342125579947/1460046787409471/>
>>>>>
>>>>

>>>> If it’s colder the MTB (3/4) baggies have huge number of pockets so plenty

>>>> of space for bananas.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No need for baggies:
>>>
>>> https://static.africa-press.net/mozambique/sites/64/2022/07/postQueueImg_16.jpg
>>>
>>>

>>>> If not I personally don’t find them any more or less annoying than bars and

>>>> what not in a jersey pocket.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Food rides in the panniers which are indentical between road bike and
>>> MTB, making a spontaneous change of plans a matter of seconds. Almost on
>>> every ride with a small group some folks will ask me "Can you carry
>>> this, that and the other thing in your panniers?". And often I am almost
>>> the only rider with a non-electrical bike.
>>>
>>> Occasionally a bottle or two of homebrew suds will ride along. Plus a
>>> couple of big homemade sandwiches with French bread. Plus a few
>>> Landjaeger sausages. Oh, and the bottle with electrolyte.

>> I don’t take much with me, realistically most stuff that goes wrong is due

>> to bike being in poor maintenance, so I take Allen keys, pump etc just in
>> case. Maybe a bar which will generally fit in the saddle bag.
>>

>> It’s only bigger days out I might need to use back pockets, and only on the

>> Gravel bike, the MTB saddle bag is fairly huge so plenty of space for such
>> stuff.
>>>
>>>

>>>> This said I do tend to ride in more baggy stuff as it’s more comfortable

>>>> though almost certainly less aero if one is concerned!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jeans shorts and T-shirt for me, all year round. From 30F to 110F, rain
>>> or shine.
>>>
>> I run at lower temperatures, realistically 25/80 being the upper limit of

>> what I find comfortable, though I’m happy down to -20 or so (0F)

>
> Happy? at 0 Fahrenheit?
>
> I've ridden at 0 F. But happy was not a word I used.
>
>
>>
>> I find non cycling clothes get trashed fairly quickly I did use some
>> normal shorts on the commute and they just wore though fairly rapidly.
>>
>> Roger Merriman

Zero F can be very rideable; I've had pleasant rides at that
temperature. Add wind and/or ice or sloppy roads and it can
also be miserable.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/nyx10.jpg

Note (I'm wearing black) dead rabbit on head, dead cow
jacket over dead sheep garments and substantial
fossil-derived shoe covers.

[Frank Krygowski]

My record is -4 Fahrenheit, but that was a pretty short utility ride.

These days my immune system gets hammered by strenuous riding in the
cold. Ah, to be young again!


--
- Frank Krygowski

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

"dead sheep garments"? I assume you mean wool. Sheep hair. Andy, I assume you are an old country boy. You should know sheep are not killed and skinned to get their wool. LIVE, not dead, sheep provide wool to humans. Sheep are sheared of their hair/fur. Wool. And the sheep regrow their hair/fur/wool. Not being a sheep raiser, I do not know how often sheep are sheared for wool.

But I am still going to maintain there is no "happy" riding at 0 Fahrenheit. Yes, you can ride at that temperature or even lower. But you are not having happy thoughts while riding. You're just saying, feeling, "G-D D-MMIT! ITS COLD!"

[Radey Shouman]

Of course they are, sometimes, killed and skinned. It's called
"shearling", or "sheepskin". Skin with the wooly hair right on it, and
very warm stuff it is.

> But I am still going to maintain there is no "happy" riding at 0
> Fahrenheit. Yes, you can ride at that temperature or even lower. But
> you are not having happy thoughts while riding. You're just saying,
> feeling, "G-D D-MMIT! ITS COLD!"

Oddly, below zero Fahrenheit I frequently overdress, and find myself
limiting my exertion so as not to sweat. But the feet and fingers are
always cold when bicycling at those temperatures.

>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

--

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I completely forgot about that.

[AMuzi]

On 7/22/2022 6:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 7:53:22 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 7/22/2022 12:00 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:38:50 PM UTC-5, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/22 9:47 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:39:26 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or, as one
>>>>>>>> person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
>>>>>>>> frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are better ways to carry a banana:
>>>>>>> <https://www.blessthisstuff.com/stuff/vehicles/cycles/banana-holder/>
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/Banana_Holster/header_photo>
>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Belt-Fanny-Drink-Holder/dp/B08ZRXK6PD/>
>>>>>>> <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jjqlEoLFDNQ/S7p-q1SfFZI/AAAAAAAABv8/UyEuGoWhA4k/s1600/Holster_Blk.gif>
>>>>>>> <https://www.deviantart.com/ceanji/art/Banana-Holster-448166243>
>>>>>>> <https://m.facebook.com/SkodaCycling/photos/a.478342125579947/1460046787409471/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> If it’s colder the MTB (3/4) baggies have huge number of pockets so plenty

>>>>>> of space for bananas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No need for baggies:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://static.africa-press.net/mozambique/sites/64/2022/07/postQueueImg_16.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>> If not I personally don’t find them any more or less annoying than bars and

>>>>>> what not in a jersey pocket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Food rides in the panniers which are indentical between road bike and
>>>>> MTB, making a spontaneous change of plans a matter of seconds. Almost on
>>>>> every ride with a small group some folks will ask me "Can you carry
>>>>> this, that and the other thing in your panniers?". And often I am almost
>>>>> the only rider with a non-electrical bike.
>>>>>
>>>>> Occasionally a bottle or two of homebrew suds will ride along. Plus a
>>>>> couple of big homemade sandwiches with French bread. Plus a few
>>>>> Landjaeger sausages. Oh, and the bottle with electrolyte.

>>>> I don’t take much with me, realistically most stuff that goes wrong is due

>>>> to bike being in poor maintenance, so I take Allen keys, pump etc just in
>>>> case. Maybe a bar which will generally fit in the saddle bag.
>>>>

>>>> It’s only bigger days out I might need to use back pockets, and only on the

>>>> Gravel bike, the MTB saddle bag is fairly huge so plenty of space for such
>>>> stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>> This said I do tend to ride in more baggy stuff as it’s more comfortable

>>>>>> though almost certainly less aero if one is concerned!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeans shorts and T-shirt for me, all year round. From 30F to 110F, rain
>>>>> or shine.
>>>>>
>>>> I run at lower temperatures, realistically 25/80 being the upper limit of

>>>> what I find comfortable, though I’m happy down to -20 or so (0F)

>>>
>>> Happy? at 0 Fahrenheit?
>>>
>>> I've ridden at 0 F. But happy was not a word I used.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I find non cycling clothes get trashed fairly quickly I did use some
>>>> normal shorts on the commute and they just wore though fairly rapidly.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>> Zero F can be very rideable; I've had pleasant rides at that
>> temperature. Add wind and/or ice or sloppy roads and it can
>> also be miserable.
>>
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/nyx10.jpg
>>
>> Note (I'm wearing black) dead rabbit on head, dead cow
>> jacket over dead sheep garments and substantial
>> fossil-derived shoe covers.
>
> "dead sheep garments"? I assume you mean wool. Sheep hair. Andy, I assume you are an old country boy. You should know sheep are not killed and skinned to get their wool. LIVE, not dead, sheep provide wool to humans. Sheep are sheared of their hair/fur. Wool. And the sheep regrow their hair/fur/wool. Not being a sheep raiser, I do not know how often sheep are sheared for wool.
>
> But I am still going to maintain there is no "happy" riding at 0 Fahrenheit. Yes, you can ride at that temperature or even lower. But you are not having happy thoughts while riding. You're just saying, feeling, "G-D D-MMIT! ITS COLD!"
>

Yes, you're right. woolen jerseys and tights are a
'donation' from sheep. My mittens are a 'commitment'.

When dressed well and without a wind, zero F can be very
rideable. Toss in wind, precipitation and/or icy roads and
it is absolutely miserable.

[AMuzi]

On 7/22/2022 7:16 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 7:53:22 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/22/2022 12:00 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:38:50 PM UTC-5, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/19/22 9:47 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:39:26 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or, as one
>>>>>>>>> person on rec.bicycles.tech advocates, you can drill some holes in your
>>>>>>>>> frame and add more sets of bottle cage mounts (really not a smart idea!).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are better ways to carry a banana:
>>>>>>>> <https://www.blessthisstuff.com/stuff/vehicles/cycles/banana-holder/>
>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/Banana_Holster/header_photo>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Belt-Fanny-Drink-Holder/dp/B08ZRXK6PD/>
>>>>>>>> <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jjqlEoLFDNQ/S7p-q1SfFZI/AAAAAAAABv8/UyEuGoWhA4k/s1600/Holster_Blk.gif>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.deviantart.com/ceanji/art/Banana-Holster-448166243>
>>>>>>>> <https://m.facebook.com/SkodaCycling/photos/a.478342125579947/1460046787409471/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If it’s colder the MTB (3/4) baggies have huge number of pockets so plenty

>>>>>>> of space for bananas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No need for baggies:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://static.africa-press.net/mozambique/sites/64/2022/07/postQueueImg_16.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If not I personally don’t find them any more or less annoying than bars and

>>>>>>> what not in a jersey pocket.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Food rides in the panniers which are indentical between road bike and
>>>>>> MTB, making a spontaneous change of plans a matter of seconds. Almost on
>>>>>> every ride with a small group some folks will ask me "Can you carry
>>>>>> this, that and the other thing in your panniers?". And often I am almost
>>>>>> the only rider with a non-electrical bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Occasionally a bottle or two of homebrew suds will ride along. Plus a
>>>>>> couple of big homemade sandwiches with French bread. Plus a few
>>>>>> Landjaeger sausages. Oh, and the bottle with electrolyte.

>>>>> I don’t take much with me, realistically most stuff that goes wrong is due

>>>>> to bike being in poor maintenance, so I take Allen keys, pump etc just in
>>>>> case. Maybe a bar which will generally fit in the saddle bag.
>>>>>

>>>>> It’s only bigger days out I might need to use back pockets, and only on the

>>>>> Gravel bike, the MTB saddle bag is fairly huge so plenty of space for such
>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This said I do tend to ride in more baggy stuff as it’s more comfortable

>>>>>>> though almost certainly less aero if one is concerned!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeans shorts and T-shirt for me, all year round. From 30F to 110F, rain
>>>>>> or shine.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I run at lower temperatures, realistically 25/80 being the upper limit of

>>>>> what I find comfortable, though I’m happy down to -20 or so (0F)

I have found the old truism ' the cure for cold feet is a
warmer hat' to be true. For me. YMMV.

[Roger Merriman]

I have fairly decent winter cycling clothes, and grew up in the Welsh hills
so range is down shifted.

>>
>> I find non cycling clothes get trashed fairly quickly I did use some
>> normal shorts on the commute and they just wore though fairly rapidly.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>

Roger Merriman

[Roger Merriman]

No stretch fabric, but cotton shorts various types.

Denim even shorts are unwise once wet would sag and cling to one, bad
enough if you get caught in the open in a storm on a walk let alone on a
bike.

Considering how cheap baggies can be and how much better, they cope with
weather, it’s simply no reason not to use them.

>
> With T-shirts I wear them during normal days. When they start looking a
> bit worn they move to the cycling stack. Once they become too grungy
> even for MTB rides they move on to the yard work stack.
>

I do use Technical T-shirts as run hot, so cotton will just stick and if
it’s wet will just hang on one.

Again they last ages (years and years) and if one waits as I do for
offers/sales can be about the same as a decent cotton T-shirt.

Roger Merriman.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/23/2022 10:37 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>
> I do use Technical T-shirts as run hot, so cotton will just stick and if
> it’s wet will just hang on one.
>
> Again they last ages (years and years) and if one waits as I do for
> offers/sales can be about the same as a decent cotton T-shirt.

I'll wear a genuine cycling jersey for rides longer than ~15 miles. But
for casual rides, shopping trips etc. up to that distance, I find
puckered seersucker fabric shirts work well and look "normal."

I think that idea came from Grant Petersen of Rivendell bicycles.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Roger Merriman]

I rarely do any utility cycling as London at least the older towns/villages
swallowed by it, are very walkable, or a very quick train/bus ride away.

My commute is about a hr, and I did used to do it in civies but it is more
comfortable with baggies and technical t-shirts ie stuff that wicks.

I do have fair number of Lycra tops but other than my Club tops I’m not
planning on replacement as well the technical t-shirt is more comfortable
and I see little reason for full Lycra top for my uses.

Roger Merriman.

[Sepp Ruf]

Radey Shouman wrote:

> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> writes:

>>
>> I carry stuff that hardly anyone does, such as tow rope. And yes, that
>> did get used a few times (to tow other riders). Then there is a spare
>> dog leash and that has brought home several lost pooches.
>
> Surely anyone who can use a nail as a chain breaker could improvise a
> dog leash from a rope.

What Joerg should really use whenever he is sensing he might need a
mountain-lion leash: TuffParaRopeTM, which, given the proper rock and
nail treatment, can also yield a handful of classic fond de jante!
<https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UPthQrAphS4/hqdefault.jpg>

Gnarly shirt costs extra!
<https://www.amazon.de/Gnarly-Rappel-Abseilen-Kletterwanderung-T-Shirt/dp/B09DJ3RDP9>

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

"Commitment". Ha Ha. I like the "donation" too.

[Tom Kunich]

The weather around here has been miserably chilly all year. I end up thinking I'm going to be overdressed but I only had one of those days.

[Rolf Mantel]

I was happy to do 50-mile Sunday tours around -10 F in Minnesota, only
needed a coffee stop every hour.
The most important aspect was that my Kingcycle recumbent had a front
fairing keeping the wind away from the body, for winter I taped a
vertical wind shield at the top of the fairing, keeping my face pretty
much free from wind as well, os it was really -10 without additional
wind chill.

[Joy Beeson]

On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 11:38:05 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I'll wear a genuine cycling jersey for rides longer than ~15 miles. But
> for casual rides, shopping trips etc. up to that distance, I find
> puckered seersucker fabric shirts work well and look "normal."
>
> I think that idea came from Grant Petersen of Rivendell bicycles.

I've been driving and walking everywhere for weeks because of minor
surgery. (Taking the cancer off left a smaller hole than taking a wart
off, and healed faster, but the decree was "no riding before the
follow-up".)

I think I miss my six-pocket jersey as much as I miss being able to go
places.


--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Six pockets? I am familiar with the typical three pockets in back on the bottom jerseys. Where do six pockets go on a jersey?

[AMuzi]

Classic jerseys have front pockets:

https://cdn.artphotolimited.com/images/5800d5a464fb3f11c210ba40/1000x1000/louison-bobet-sur-le-tour-1955.jpg

[Joy Beeson]

On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
<ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Six pockets? I am familiar with the typical three pockets in back on the bottom jerseys. Where do six pockets go on a jersey?

Custom design. Three in back, with the middle one sized to fit my
custom wallet and the left one sized to fit my magnifying glasses; the
keys etc. on the right get whatever is left.

It's cheating a bit to say that there are three in front; I'm counting
the pencil pocket that is part of the notebook pocket. The front
pockets began life as shirt pockets, placed high on the shoulders
because the spots where men's shirts have pockets are already
occupied, but they have been refined a bit over the years.

I bought my first jersey at the first GEAR I went to. I didn't
realize what a bargain I'd got until I'd worn out a few other jerseys.
Pity I don't know who made it. I'd name the "fold-bottom pocket" in
my sewing book after him.

That GEAR was a few years before '89 Saratoga, and I think it was in
New Palz. I got a bit confused riding there from Albany; and blew the
minds of people I asked for directions when they realized that I
didn't want to know what street I was on, I wanted to know what city I
was in.

Eh, if you keep going south and don't cross the Hudson, you'll get
there.

[Frank Krygowski]

Nice tale! But for many people here, I think you'll need to define GEAR!


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Joy Beeson]

On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 15:23:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Nice tale! But for many people here, I think you'll need to define GEAR!

Great Eastern America Rally. It was started by the League of American
Wheelmen, but the folks who changed the name to League of American
Bicyclists found that GEAR was attracting new members who actually
rode bikes, and stopped it. They also put an end to September Century
Weekend, for the same reason.

Gear was usually held at a college when the students weren't using the
dorms, but GEAR '89 Saratoga used the entire town -- quite feasible
when everyone at the convention has a bike and knows how to use it.

(If I recall correctly, Saratoga can be quite cheap when it isn't
August.)

I volunteered to give a lesson on newsletter editing, but when I was
halfway from the dorm (Saratoga includes a college) to my classroom, I
realized that the beginners I had prepared to speak to were all on the
other side of the campus. Nobody came to my lecture except people who
were as qualified as I was to give it. So I turned it into an
experience swap, and gave out a few copies of my book.

My spouse had a fireman's convention the same weekend, so I rode to
Saratoga on a parade float; my bike and I were dropped off at a
convenient intersection. I forgot to pack pajamas, and the dorm was
excessively air conditioned, so I slept in tights and a wool jersey
I'd bought in the huxter room. ("Huxter room" is fannish; I've no
idea what GEAR called it. It occupied an entire meeting-hall building
somewhere downtown.)


Around here, the July Tour d' Lakes fills the same niche as the
September Century, but you have to clear the route at four in the
afternoon. The organizers aren't enthusiastic about hunting you down
at three in the morning. (The September Century people would have
found me sooner, but as the message was relayed through various police
departments, "Glendale Inn" changed to "in Glendale".)

Betty brought her own support crew and took twenty-four hours to ride
a century. I never completed one in less than twelve.

[Frank Krygowski]

For what it's worth, our club co-hosted (with the Western PA Wheelmen) a
GEAR in 1990 or 1991 at Slippery Rock University. My wife and I used to
really enjoy those events.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Frank, when I read your reply, I had to look up Slippery Rock University. I was sure you were conducting some kind of inside joke on us. Slippery Rock U !!!!!!!!! But no. Much to my surprise, there is a real college in Pennsylvania named Slippery Rock University. In the town of Slippery Rock, PA. Teachers college originally. Pennsylvania also has some unusual town names too.