Shimano pads vs. Kool Stop vs. BBB??
hippy
My braking power seems lower than when I
rode the bike previously (another owner).
The only contributing differences I can see are
different pads (I have new Ultegra, it used to have
red pads - maybe BBB or Kool Stop?) and the
rims are different (but seemed to both be CNC
aluminium finish).
Could it be the pads?
Is it true that Shimano brake pads chew up rims?
Is it worth ditching the brand new Ultegra pads
and putting on Kool Stops?
Can I use the inserts or do I need the whole brake
shoe type?
Other options?
cheers
hip
Patrick Lamb
>
> Hi,
>
> My braking power seems lower than when I
> rode the bike previously (another owner).
> The only contributing differences I can see are
> different pads (I have new Ultegra, it used to have
> red pads - maybe BBB or Kool Stop?) and the
> rims are different (but seemed to both be CNC
> aluminium finish).
>
> Could it be the pads?
Probably.
> Is it true that Shimano brake pads chew up rims?
Some say they've improved. At the very least, they used to...
> Is it worth ditching the brand new Ultegra pads
> and putting on Kool Stops?
Absolutely.
> Can I use the inserts or do I need the whole brake
> shoe type?
Probably just the inserts, although somebody may correct me.
Pat
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John Retchford
Ace ones a couple of years ago which were downright bad. Felt and
sounded as though you were braking with coarse abrasive. Others had the
same experience. Have not tried Ultegra ones - maybe the same stuff as
Dura Ace?
I use and like Kool Stop (black). Decent braking with no tendency to
pick up grit and aluminium particles or leave residues on the braking
surface. The consensus on rec.bicycles.tech is that the salmon coloured
(not red) Kool Stop compound is better in the wet, but I have not seen
it offered locally.
Fitted BBB pads to my son's Campagnolo brake holders just before the
very hilly Tour of Tahiti and he found them very good. My wife uses
them for touring and likes them too.
Limited data set, but I hope it helps.
John Retchford
hippy
> I use and like Kool Stop (black). Decent braking with no tendency to
> pick up grit and aluminium particles or leave residues on the braking
> surface. The consensus on rec.bicycles.tech is that the salmon coloured
> (not red) Kool Stop compound is better in the wet, but I have not seen
I saw that "salmon-coloured" thread. I was under the impression from various
web sites that the salmon ones _were_ the red ones..?
http://www.koolstop.com/brakes/brakes.html
The greenish ones are known as Z-Chromium for ceramic rims which only
leaves red and black, black being standard.
Is there any reason not to use the red pads for normal use?
Does anyone have durability information on these pads?
> it offered locally.
>
> Fitted BBB pads to my son's Campagnolo brake holders just before the
> very hilly Tour of Tahiti and he found them very good. My wife uses
> them for touring and likes them too.
> Limited data set, but I hope it helps.
> John Retchford
thanks for that info
hip
Harris
> My braking power seems lower than when I
> rode the bike previously (another owner).
> The only contributing differences I can see are
> different pads (I have new Ultegra, it used to have
> red pads - maybe BBB or Kool Stop?)
> Could it be the pads?
> Is it true that Shimano brake pads chew up rims?
> Is it worth ditching the brand new Ultegra pads
> and putting on Kool Stops?
> Can I use the inserts or do I need the whole brake
> shoe type?
> Other options?
Assumining the rims are true and clean, and your brakes and cables are
good, it probably is your pads.
It's hard to beat Kool Stop "salmon" pads. They are available as inserts
for Ultegra shoes. But if you're not into "bicycle chic," get the Kool
Stop "Continental" brake pads. They're dirt cheap and last a long time.
Art Harris
Peter Cole
"hippy" <NOSPAM...@NOSPAMbigpond.com> wrote in message
news:6mZc9.10116$Dr5....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> <snip>
> > I use and like Kool Stop (black). Decent braking with no tendency to
> > pick up grit and aluminium particles or leave residues on the braking
> > surface. The consensus on rec.bicycles.tech is that the salmon coloured
> > (not red) Kool Stop compound is better in the wet, but I have not seen
>
> I saw that "salmon-coloured" thread. I was under the impression from various
> web sites that the salmon ones _were_ the red ones..?
> http://www.koolstop.com/brakes/brakes.html
>
> The greenish ones are known as Z-Chromium for ceramic rims which only
> leaves red and black, black being standard.
>
> Is there any reason not to use the red pads for normal use?
> Does anyone have durability information on these pads?
Not sure which pads you're talking about. The web site you linked clearly
shows: Black, red, silver, blue, yellow and salmon pads offered. The salmon
are different than red. The salmon material is less likely to pick up grit and
cause accelerated rim wear in wet conditions.
Paul Kopit
black gunk to wipe off than the red pads when they get wet.
John Albergo
hippy wrote:
>
>I saw that "salmon-coloured" thread. I was under the impression from various
>web sites that the salmon ones _were_ the red ones..?
>http://www.koolstop.com/brakes/brakes.html
>
>The greenish ones are known as Z-Chromium for ceramic rims which only
>leaves red and black, black being standard.
>
Go to the bottom of the page you listed and you'll see the "Compound Chart".
>
>
>Is there any reason not to use the red pads for normal use?
>Does anyone have durability information on these pads?
>
Try the Salmon!
howitzer
> In rec.bicycles.tech hippy <NOSPAM...@NOSPAMbigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > My braking power seems lower than when I
> > rode the bike previously (another owner).
> > The only contributing differences I can see are
> > different pads (I have new Ultegra, it used to have
> > red pads - maybe BBB or Kool Stop?)
>
> > Could it be the pads?
> > Is it true that Shimano brake pads chew up rims?
> > Is it worth ditching the brand new Ultegra pads
> > and putting on Kool Stops?
> > Can I use the inserts or do I need the whole brake
> > shoe type?
> > Other options?
>
cleaned the braking surface and scuffed up the pads a few times with
limited results. Three weeks ago I replaced the original stock Shimano
pads with the Kool Stop Salmon inserts (reccomended on this
newsgroup). After cleaning the rim braking surface with isopropol
alcohol and a scotchbrite pad, I imediately noticed a great
improvement over stock.
Hope this helps.
howard
hippy
> > > surface. The consensus on rec.bicycles.tech is that the salmon
coloured
> > > (not red) Kool Stop compound is better in the wet, but I have not seen
> >
> > I saw that "salmon-coloured" thread. I was under the impression from
various
> > web sites that the salmon ones _were_ the red ones..?
> > http://www.koolstop.com/brakes/brakes.html
> >
> > The greenish ones are known as Z-Chromium for ceramic rims which only
> > leaves red and black, black being standard.
> >
> > Is there any reason not to use the red pads for normal use?
> > Does anyone have durability information on these pads?
>
> Not sure which pads you're talking about. The web site you linked clearly
> shows: Black, red, silver, blue, yellow and salmon pads offered. The
salmon
> are different than red. The salmon material is less likely to pick up grit
and
> cause accelerated rim wear in wet conditions.
Scroll down a bit before half way (on my pc anyway).
Or, do a search (Control-F) for "C89". Anyway, find
the "Road Replacement Pad, Kool-Stop C89 Series"
section. The image in that section clearly shows three
pads, which to my eyes are:
BLACK, RED, GREEN/BROWN from left to right.
The text that accompanies that section is:
"Fits CampagnoloŽ, Record, Chorus and Athena type holders
Salmon: for wet conditions
Black: for normal conditions
Z-Chromium: for ceramic rims"
then, scroll down 5 sections to the section titled:
"Kool Stop's New Z-Chromium Compound For Ceramic Rims"
and look at the colour of the pads. To my eyes, they are the same
green/brown type as in the C89 section above.
Given that black is black, "Z-Chromium" is gree/brown...
Salmon, unless I'm missing something here, are the "red" ones.
Ahh, but now after writing all of this, I see another colour pad
that is not shown (or at least its colour is not accurate) in the
C89 road section - the ones with the same colour as the MTB
pads and the BMX pads (dual compound black and dare I say
it? Salmon?). The compound chart seems to confirm this.
I even have the MTB pads on my MTB4ROAD!!!!!
It didn't even click! DOH DOH! <sheepish grin>
Sorry, it just really looks like the road pads are red and not
the salmon colour that is on the mtb and bmx pads. I will see
(yeah, with my eyesight, right) if I can find the salmon ones.
cheers
"suretheywerered" hip