Question: Quality of Campagnolo Mirage components.
Trevor Hennessey
I am looking to get an idea where exactly Campagnolo Mirage components
stack up against Shimano. I am looking at a used Maranoni Touring bike
that has Mirage components but I am not sure if the price that is being
asked is worth it. After checking out Calmpagnolo's web page I know that
the Mirage components are near the bottom of their line but what exactly
does that mean. What would be the equivalent Shimano line? LX, 105, ect.
Thanks for your help.
Trevor
Rick Denney
I have two bikes with some Mirage components, and they work fine. They
are fully interchangeable with better stuff if and when you feel the
need.
I would stack them against Shimano RX100, which is also acceptable
stuff. I like everything but the shifters, BB, and hubs better than
the RX100, and those three items would be likely candidates for
upgrades to Veloce or Athena in the future.
The Mirage stuff is a really good value--it gives you good
functionality and lets your money go into the frame. It's near the
bottom of a range of components intended for serious cyclists. It's
well above the stuff found on bikes for casual riders. You'll commonly
find it on good bikes in the $1000 range (e.g. Bianchi Campione).
My line-up of Shimano and Campy lines:
C. Record
S. Dura Ace
C. Chorus (more durable than DA, but heavier)
C. Athena
S. 105=C. Veloce
S. RX100=C. Mirage
Rick "I have a bike with Mirage shifters, Athena rear der. and brakes,
Record front der., Chorus cranks and BB, and Veloce hubs" Denney
David Balfoort
Rick Denney wrote:
> My line-up of Shimano and Campy lines:
>
> C. Record
> S. Dura Ace
> C. Chorus (more durable than DA, but heavier)
> C. Athena
> S. 105=C. Veloce
> S. RX100=C. Mirage
Since 105 and RX100 are the same components, are you saying that there is no
difference between Veloce and Mirage?
David
S. Evans
snipped
>
> Since 105 and RX100 are the same components,
since when?
Steve Evans
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Not quite the same RX100 uses some steel parts where 105 uses al alloy.
Also Athena should have (S. Ultegra) next to it.
Chorus is definitely above Ultegra but not quite as good as DuraAce
in a purely technical argument.
In actual practice it is almost impossible to tell one from the other
in operation. In longevity I still haven't seen significant failures.
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c. boontjes
Hi Trevor,
About the mirage group, although it's in the bottom of campagnolo's line
it's defenetly a good group. I would go as far as to say at the shifting is
as good as a Chorus or a Rechord!! The whole group is 400 grams heavier than
the Rechord .The brakes are a little less ( But only a little) and the
parts will probably wear a little earlier. I would say that Mirage is as
good as Shimano Ultegra or XT. Maybe the finish isn't as fine as on the more
expensive groups but I still think that any Campagnolo group looks better
than a Shimano ( maybe except for the dura-ace ) but that is personal taste
ofcourse. By the way the Mirage costs about $650
I hope that you can use some of this information
Good luck bying a bike
Chris
CV2572
"c. boontjes" <c.boo...@hccnet.nl> writes:
>About the mirage group, although it's in the bottom of campagnolo's line
>it's defenetly a good group.
As far as I know, there's one lower - Avanti.
Robin Hubert
Al Raden
I have a Mirage-equipped Bianchi Campione D'Italia. I bought it new in Nov. of
'96, and it now has about 11,000 miles on it. I have had zero problems with the
group - in fact, I notice no real difference from when it was new, other than
the shifting's a bit smoother. As far as looks go, it looks better than any of
the comparable Shimano groups.
- al
Jeffrey J. Potoff
>
> Hi Trevor,
>
> About the mirage group, although it's in the bottom of campagnolo's line
> as good as a Chorus or a Rechord!! The whole group is 400 grams heavier than
> the Rechord .The brakes are a little less ( But only a little) and the
> parts will probably wear a little earlier. I would say that Mirage is as
> good as Shimano Ultegra or XT.
Mirage is bottom of the line Campy, it is not as good as Shimano Ultegra
or XT.
Jeff
Rick Denney
<dsba...@mailbox.syr.edu> wrote:
>Rick Denney wrote:
>
...
>> S. 105=C. Veloce
>> S. RX100=C. Mirage
>
> Since 105 and RX100 are the same components, are you saying that there is no
>difference between Veloce and Mirage?
>
Huh? When did this happen? Did Shimano go and do something confusing
in the last little bit?
Just last weekend, I saw a whole crop of '99 models with 105
components, and they sure as hell looked different than RX100
components that I saw last year.
But, since much of Mirage's current-year stuff was Veloce stuff a year
or two ago, I'm not sure there is that much difference.
Rick "Huh?" Denney
David Balfoort
S. Evans wrote:
> David Balfoort wrote:
> snipped
> >
> > Since 105 and RX100 are the same components,
>
> since when?
I wasn't aware there was ever any difference except the added paint on
105.
David
David Balfoort
105 eliminated the paint this year which was the only difference between the two
groups.
David
David Balfoort
got both and can't find the differences.
David
Mark Atanowicz
"c. boontjes" <c.boo...@hccnet.nl> writes:
>
> Hi Trevor,
>
> About the mirage group, although it's in the bottom of campagnolo's line
> it's defenetly a good group. I would go as far as to say at the shifting is
> as good as a Chorus or a Rechord!!
I have both Chorus and 96 Mirage shifters. Chorus takes noticeably
less effort than Mirage and is smoother.
Mark Atanowicz
Rick Denney
>
>Also Athena should have (S. Ultegra) next to it.
Oops. I agree.
>
>Chorus is definitely above Ultegra but not quite as good as DuraAce
>in a purely technical argument.
>
>In actual practice it is almost impossible to tell one from the other
>in operation. In longevity I still haven't seen significant failures.
Also agree.
Rick "I knew I was forgetting something" Denney
Bike Doc
Most notable is the Ergo levers.
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Matt O'Toole
Bike Doc wrote in message ...
>Campy has redesigned some of Mirage for 1999.
>Most notable is the Ergo levers.
Are they making the shift levers from metal now, like the Veloces?
Matt O.
Bike Doc
Check out the 1999 Mirage and specs at the Campy web pages:
http://www.campagnolo.com/uk/gruppi.html
http://www.campagnolo.com/img/mir1_foto1a_big.jpg
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All the 9s levers are now all aluminum levers-no more 'resin'-
Peter
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Rick Denney wrote in message
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>On 14 Feb 1999 21:33:21 GMT, henn...@sfu.ca (Trevor Hennessey) wrote:
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>I am looking to get an idea where exactly Campagnolo Mirage components
>>stack up against Shimano. I am looking at a used Maranoni Touring bike
>>that has Mirage components but I am not sure if the price that is being
>>asked is worth it. After checking out Calmpagnolo's web page I know that
>>the Mirage components are near the bottom of their line but what exactly
>>does that mean. What would be the equivalent Shimano line? LX, 105, ect.
>>Thanks for your help.
>>
>>Trevor
>
>I have two bikes with some Mirage components, and they work fine. They
>are fully interchangeable with better stuff if and when you feel the
>need.
>
>I would stack them against Shimano RX100, which is also acceptable
>stuff. I like everything but the shifters, BB, and hubs better than
>the RX100, and those three items would be likely candidates for
>upgrades to Veloce or Athena in the future.
>
>The Mirage stuff is a really good value--it gives you good
>functionality and lets your money go into the frame. It's near the
>bottom of a range of components intended for serious cyclists. It's
>well above the stuff found on bikes for casual riders. You'll commonly
>find it on good bikes in the $1000 range (e.g. Bianchi Campione).
>
>
>C. Record
>S. Dura Ace
>C. Chorus (more durable than DA, but heavier)
>C. Athena
>S. RX100=C. Mirage
>
Rick Denney
wrote:
>Rick --if this bike is for you I would say wait. The rest of your bikes are
>of a much higher grade, and when out on a tour you may regret not having
>something as good as your "race bikes" underneath you. ---Fred Paulos
I generally agree, which is the reason my commuter is all Racing
Triple mixed with Veloce. But the shifters are Mirage, because they
were really, really cheap. Unlike many commuters around here, I'm a
fair-weather commuter, and 90% of my 14-mile commute is on a protected
trail that is an old railroad alignment and is thus devoid of steep
hills. Not much shifting. The other Mirage Ergo, ah, set is on my
travel bike, which gets used less than 500 miles a year. But, boy,
those 500 miles have include some really wonderful rides!
No, they are not as crisp as the Chorus shifters on the Merckx, but
they work reliably enough. One of these days a deal will appear on
some old-stock Chorus or Athena shifters, and I'll grab 'em. That's
how I got a new Racing Triple crank, for which I paid $70.
Rick "It's all 'old' 8-speed stuff, too" Denney
Ivars Ulinskis
Earls61
Tom Kunich
Record
Chorus
Centaur
Daytona
Mirage
However, unlike Shimano where the performance would degrade as you went down through the lineup, Campagnolo seemed on to suffer progressively worse weight and finish but would operate pretty much the same though the lower levels would have less than optimal performance because finish of the internal components wasn't quite as good.
I've tended to consider Shimano as engineers and Campagnolo as artists.
Tom Kunich
> S. Evans wrote:
> > David Balfoort wrote:
> > snipped
> > >
> >
> I wasn't aware there was ever any difference except the added paint on
> 105.
> David
AMuzi
> Well, I like my 2018 Centaur group, If that’s relevant.
>
Mirage was discontinued log ago. Current ranges:
Super Record
Record
Chorus
Centaur
All of which work very well, the top end series being
lighter in weight. There are disc, electronic (and a new
13x1 set) options of course, but the best answer to your
question is 'another Centaur'.
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Tom Kunich
> On 9/27/2020 1:38 AM, Earls61 wrote:
> > Well, I like my 2018 Centaur group, If that’s relevant.
> >
> Mirage was discontinued log ago. Current ranges:
> Super Record
> Record
> Chorus
> Centaur
>
> All of which work very well, the top end series being
> lighter in weight. There are disc, electronic (and a new
> 13x1 set) options of course, but the best answer to your
> question is 'another Centaur'.
AMuzi
> On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 10:51:30 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/27/2020 1:38 AM, Earls61 wrote:
>> Mirage was discontinued log ago. Current ranges:
>> Super Record
>> Record
>> Chorus
>> Centaur
>>
>> All of which work very well, the top end series being
>> lighter in weight. There are disc, electronic (and a new
>> 13x1 set) options of course, but the best answer to your
>> question is 'another Centaur'.
> I think I just saw a new Campy Ekar mechanical gravel group that is 1 x 14 speed. This is getting absolutely ridiculous. All Campy groups only have disks.
>
All the road sets have caliper and disc variants, rider's
choice.
https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Mechanical_Groupsets/ekar/gravel2