FSA ISO or Campy bottom brackets for my Record Cranks?

[geoff raynak]

My current campy chorus bottom bracket finally gave up the ghost and i am in
the market for a new bottom bracket.
The shop i deal with said that i have the option of getting an FSA ISO taper
to replace the (more pricey) campy BB.

Here is what i found online:

part MSRP shell size
spindle length weight
campy record 80$
102 190g
campy chorus 45$
102 220g

FSA ultimax carbon ~90$ 71
ISO 103 170g
FSA ultimax ti ~75$ 71
ISO 103 168g
FSA ultimax chromoly ~40$ 71
ISO 103 215g

in short, if it works, i can shave 5$ and 22grams using an FSA ti bb over a
record.
is this worth it in the long run?

I combed the faq and newsgroup archives, but couldn't find any reports on
the FSA performance/longevity of the ISO taper
the only thing i saw was some trouble with an oclv fitting a shimano bb.

fyi, the bb is going into my '02 s-works

thanks in advance

geoff

[Sheldon Brown]

geoff raynak wrote:
> My current campy chorus bottom bracket finally gave up the ghost and i am in
> the market for a new bottom bracket.
> The shop i deal with said that i have the option of getting an FSA ISO taper
> to replace the (more pricey) campy BB.
>
> Here is what i found online:
>
> part MSRP shell size
> spindle length weight
> campy record 80$
> 102 190g
> campy chorus 45$
> 102 220g
>
>
> FSA ultimax carbon ~90$ 71
> ISO 103 170g
> FSA ultimax ti ~75$ 71
> ISO 103 168g
> FSA ultimax chromoly ~40$ 71
> ISO 103 215g
>
> in short, if it works, i can shave 5$ and 22grams using an FSA ti bb over a
> record.
> is this worth it in the long run?

Saving weight on bottom brackets by using exotic materials has always
seemed pretty scary to me. If your bottom bracket axle is gonna bust,
it's gonna happen when you're pushing extra hard on it, and you're gonna
go down hard and fast.

Sheldon "Not Unless You're A Flyweight" Brown
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| or anyplace you body contacts the bike. |
| Breaking something there always hurts. -Peter Chisholm |
+----------------------------------------------------------+
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Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
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[geoff raynak]

thanks sheldon,
i guess i biased my query a bit too much toward the weight savings issue.
as a 170lb sprinter... i am anything but a featherweight

a follow up question would be ... will the FSA work?
it is not the isis one you show busted in a zillion pieces on your site...

does the small spindle length difference matter?
sure, it uses a ti spindle (which could be considered exotic in some
circles)
it also has 4.8mm bearings versus the 2 ??mm driveside bearings that campy
has.
i know tech can complicate things a bit.

any thoughts?

geoff 'are bigger balls better than more balls' raynak

ps. the 'scales' are tipping toward FSA since in can now get them at a
wholesale price through my team.

"Sheldon Brown" <capt...@sheldonbrown.com> wrote in message
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[Paul Southworth]

In article <b0sfsq$8rt$1...@quark.scn.rain.com>,

geoff raynak <ge...@igeneratorllc.com> wrote:
>thanks sheldon,
>i guess i biased my query a bit too much toward the weight savings issue.
>as a 170lb sprinter... i am anything but a featherweight
>
>a follow up question would be ... will the FSA work?
>it is not the isis one you show busted in a zillion pieces on your site...
>
>does the small spindle length difference matter?

I don't think so, not unless chain line is already marginal.

>sure, it uses a ti spindle (which could be considered exotic in some
>circles)

I have no gripe against FSA and have not used their BB, but Ti spindles
have been broken aplenty. The results are usually painful and messy
and involve a long walk with plenty of road rash, if not worse. I'll
pass on that.

I think the Chorus BB is pretty good and not painfully expensive, I would
choose Chorus BB for either a Chorus or Record bike based on value/dollar.

--Paul

[Sheldon Brown]

geoff raynak wrote:
> thanks sheldon,
> i guess i biased my query a bit too much toward the weight savings issue.
> as a 170lb sprinter... i am anything but a featherweight
>
> a follow up question would be ... will the FSA work?

Certainly, BUT IT MIGHT BUST AND PUT YOU IN THE HOSPITAL!!!

> it is not the isis one you show busted in a zillion pieces on your site...
>
> does the small spindle length difference matter?

Nope.

> sure, it uses a ti spindle (which could be considered exotic in some
> circles)

Yes, I consider a Ti BB spindle exotic AND DANGEROUS!!!!

> it also has 4.8mm bearings versus the 2 ??mm driveside bearings that campy
> has. i know tech can complicate things a bit.

Bigger bearings, same outside diameter, implies the spindle is THINNER!!!!!

> any thoughts?

I expressed my thoughts in a quiet, reserved way in my previous message,
but I guess I wasn't vehement enough to get my opinion/advice across
clearly.

170 pound sprinter? YOU"D BE A FOOOOOOLLL TO RIDE A Ti BB!!!!!!!!!

Sheldon "Hope I Made Myself Clear This Time" Brown
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| Light, cheap, durable. Choose any two. |
| -- Keith Bontrager |
+------------------------------------------+

[geoff raynak]

yes

thank you

i always cower a bit when you use all-caps

geoff

"Sheldon Brown" <capt...@sheldonbrown.com> wrote in message

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[Sheldon Brown]

geoff raynak wrote:
> yes
>
> thank you
>
> i always cower a bit when you use all-caps

I hardly ever do that. I think I used up my January/February quota of
exclamation points, too...

Sheldon "Occasionally Emphatic" Brown
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| My mind is aglow with whirling, transient |
| nodes of thought careening through a cosmic |
| vapor of invention! --Mel Brooks |
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[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

geoff-<< a follow up question would be ... will the FSA work?

it is not the isis one you show busted in a zillion pieces on your site

The taper is larger in millimeters than the Campagnolo BB taper. It will 'work'
but will not go onto the spindle as far and as properly as Campagnolo 102mm
tapered one.

Also look at Phil, who i think makes a Campagnolo taper ti spindle BB...

But i will go on record as saying ti spindles can sometimes be 'problematic'-

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

[A Muzi]

> geoff-<< a follow up question would be ... will the FSA work?
> it is not the isis one you show busted in a zillion pieces on your site

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <vecc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030125091856...@mb-cm.aol.com...

> The taper is larger in millimeters than the Campagnolo BB taper. It will
'work'
> but will not go onto the spindle as far and as properly as Campagnolo
102mm
> tapered one.
>
> Also look at Phil, who i think makes a Campagnolo taper ti spindle BB...
>
> But i will go on record as saying ti spindles can sometimes be
'problematic'-

After Sheldon's clear and compelling statement yesterday and Peter's
affirmation, please allow me to chime in:
Titanium spindles (pedal, BB) are not dependable enough for a human. Weigh
those 23 grams against a broken face/hip/collarbone and it isn't quite so
attractive.

--
Andrew Muzi
http://www.yellowjersey.org

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