Off Subject but Pertinent

[Tom Kunich]

Do you want to know why Biden has done all of these insane things?

Want to buy an electric car next time?

Look up CATL, the Chinese-owned, lithium-battery company whose value has skyrocketed since Joe Biden took office.


Guess where there is a gold mine of lithium? You guessed it ! Afghanistan!

Guess who owns 10% of CATL? You guessed it, Hunter Biden!

Guess who is funding the Taliban now? You guessed it China.
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You're starting to see why ol' Pops was so quick to get us out of Afghanistan? Taliban is set to make trillions on selling their lithium to China and the Bidens stand to make billions!

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ALWAYS follow the money...and you will find the answers to the baffling decisions they make!

Hard to believe how crooked the Biden Crime Family is and we just sit by and watch it happen.

And hundreds lost their lives during his botched pull-out. But he really doesn't care because he is as evil as they come! His entire regime and family is. The Bidens own 10% of a Chinese lithium ion battery company [Contemporary Amperex Technology Co., Limited (CATL)] whose stock has soared.

And people voted for this known criminal!!

Reference:

Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Limited, abbreviated as CATL, is a Chinese battery manufacturer and technology company founded in 2011 that specializes in the manufacturing of lithium-ion batteries for electric vehicles and energy storage systems, as well as battery management systems.

This should also explain why the Obama/Biden administration has shut down America's independence of energy and is pushing SO HARD to force electric automobiles down American's throats. Follow the money

"Show me a politician who got rich while in office, and I will show you a crook."

- Harry S. Truman

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Tommy, tommy, tommy. I know its foolish to even ask, but will you ever learn? Ha Ha.

A little research on your nonsensical post.

Current stock price. Those are Chinese Yuan. 1 Yuan is about 15 cents US.
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/300750:CH

Article by Forbes about how many billionaires this company made from its investors. No Bidens on the list.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2021/05/03/this-chinese-battery-company-has-produced-more-billionaires-than-google-or-facebook/?sh=31de1b6c67e7

And finally an article stating your nonsense is a made up lie. Not surprising.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/sep/10/viral-image/claim-about-bidens-ownership-chinese-firm-soaring-/

Tommy boy, you got to do better if you are going to confuse and trick all of us. Put in more work Tommy!!!!!!!!!!! Work, work, work!!!!!!!! Don't fall for the simple easy lazy trick like this nonsense. No!!!!!!! Work!!!!!! Try!!!!!!!!

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 5:19:40 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

Sorry I forgot to add this to my prior post. But, do you swallow hook, line, and sinker(weight), every single thing your Qanon news(?) groups stuff down your throat? Do you ever open your eyes and think? I know the answer is NO. Tommy, when you hear nonsensical BS, you got to be smart enough to realize it is BS. I know you are not very smart at all. Likely below the mean. But even most stupid people know enough not to eat sh-t covered garbage and proclaim it a feast. Or when its freezing cold outside, to put on warm clothes. But I don't think you rise up even to this basic level of intelligence. It must be very hard for you to cope in the world Tommy. Being so deficient. I pity you Tommy.

[AMuzi]

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium

https://news.yahoo.com/us-handed-green-battery-tech-170930441.html

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[John B.]

Errr.... Tommy, you are up to your old stunts again.
The top 6 lithium producing countries in the world are:
Australia – 42,000 tonnes (2016)
Chile – 18,000 tonnes
China – 7,500 tonnes
Argentina – 6,400 tonnes
Zimbabwe – 1,600 tonnes
Portugal – 1,200 tonnes

--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Re investment in Chinese company's. It used to be impossible for a
foreigner to buy stock in Mainland Chinese companies but I read that
as of 2018:

Are you eligible for the stock market?

Under the new regulations as of September 15, 2018, foreigners
matching the following criteria can set up A-share trading accounts:

Foreigners with a permanent China residence card.
Foreign employees of listed A-share companies who currently live
in China or abroad, as long as participating in the company’s equity
incentives.
Foreigners working in China, regardless of whether they have
obtained a permanent residence ID card or not.
Foreigners who have established foreign-invested joint-stock
companies in China which are listed on the A-share market.


--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Andy, the company mentioned in your articles is not the Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Limited that Tommy boy is talking about. Your stories are unrelated to Tommy's lies. Tommy's lies are about batteries. Your stories are about batteries. But that is the only connection. And China is mentioned in both sets of stories too.

[AMuzi]

uh, people who 'own' shares of Evergrande may now have a
different take on that...

[John B.]

But reality seems to be that manufacturing was licensed, by the patent
holder, to a small company, UniEnergy Technologies, who was unable to
finance the project and apparently eventually sold off manufacturing
rights to a Chinese company.

Hardly a unique happening.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

But is it a Chinese company? It seems to be is incorporated in the
Cayman Islands but doing business in China.

The company I worked for in Indonesia "owned" a Hong Kong company,
incorporated in Hong Kong, at the time still British, but doing
business in other countries and, at least for tax purposes, it was
viewed as a Hong Kong company.
They also "owned" a company incorporated in Delaware (I think it was)
which did some business in Indonesia and was considered a U.S. company
for tax purposes.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

Yo, Eaton or Seaton or WETF your name is, you've twisted yourself into such a pretzel in your futile zeal to flame Tom, you nose fits right up your arse. How do your brains, if you have any, smell? -- Andre Jute

[Tom Kunich]

The shareholders in that patented technology company had no say in that gifted technology that they paid for the development. Russell says that he doesn't see under the deck of cards what the dealer is doing for there's nothing there.

[Tom Kunich]

Russell is such an ass that the entire world outside of Biden's directors seems foreign to him. He finds himself in the position that he finds slavery not just an acceptable way of life but a preferable one. This is what happens to the mentally ill children that have been brought up with everything they ever wanted and will argue that they were poor because Daddy never bought they a Ferrari. Supposedly a college educated accountant that cannot perform simple arithmetic.

[John B.]

The Share Holders???

What part of "Pacific Northwest National Laboratory" is it that you
don't understand?

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Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

What part of one corporate entity being a shareholder of another corporate entity do you fail to understand, Slow Johnny. You morons are really showing your ugly asses in these contorted efforts to flame Tom. What would you do if he was ill-advised enough to call out a cheery "Good morning" to you? -- Unsigned for the usual reasons.
>

[Tom Kunich]

I wonder why the stupid six can never stop for one minute to actually read what they wrote and understand just how stupid they are? Slow Johnny does lead the pack since he hasn't one iota of knowledge himself and couldn't for one second survive in the real world. Without his military retirement benefits and living in a country where the cost of living is low because people will even eat crickets, He would be a homeless person sleeping on a park bench in the USA.

[John B.]

On Mon, 8 Aug 2022 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

Well... this member of the Superior Six is intelligent enough to
understand that the "Pacific Northwest National Laboratory" is a unit
of United States Department of Energy national laboratories, managed
by the Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Science. and thus isn't,
as the Irish Fool states, a "corporate entity"..... Actually I
shouldn't use the term "Irish Fool" as some Irish are quite astute
.... Maybe "Fool in Ireland" would be a more accurate term.

As for Tommy, well he is a fool and has exhibited his foolishness for
at least the past 17 years, on the Web, so no need of a descriptive
there. Just write his name and Bingo! The readers insert the correct
descriptive term automatically.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Tommy, I bet you did not know this, but you can buy crickets to eat on Amazon. Also, do a Google (EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) search on eating crickets and you will turn up lots of stories on the subject. Most of them say crickets are high in protein and other good minerals and such.

https://www.amazon.com/Buds-Cricket-Power-Roasted-Crickets/dp/B07YNYZ4LF/ref=asc_df_B07YNYZ4LF/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=475812023184&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15477718097400918093&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9018577&hvtargid=pla-1129654062668&psc=1
$57 per POUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The bestest Filet Mignon does not cost that much!!!!!! You better be earning some big big big bucks in Thailand to afford to eat crickets. Expensive!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.amazon.com/Chapulines-Oaxaca-grasshoppers-Gourmet-Seasoned/dp/B07N98WMC4/ref=asc_df_B07N98WMC4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459519841808&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15477718097400918093&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9018577&hvtargid=pla-945941617101&psc=1
These are grasshoppers. $7.49 per OUNCE!!!!!!!!! Double the price of the crickets. I guess grasshoppers are better than crickets.

https://www.edibleinsects.com/product/edible-crickets-chef-joseph-yoon/?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=shp&utm_network=u&utm_mobile=0&utm_creative=526043980488&utm_position=&utm_random=15477718097400918093&gclid=CjwKCAjw6MKXBhA5EiwANWLODA7ZtjfNKFByKbjlRag7_i5T3fgWS6Q9-slsj0p2BIqzX5QSQqYJaRoChLYQAvD_BwE&utm_campaign=smart%20shopping%20-%20us%20(4)&utm_ad_group_id=584753&utm_campaign_id=696893&utm_prod_id=81051
Only $39.99 per POUND for crickets. Cheap compared to Amazon. But maybe these are direct to the consumer whereas Amazon has lots of middle men. Thus you save money.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bud-s-Spicy-Whole-Roasted-Crickets-1-4lb/290349917?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101086210&&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=aud-393207457166:pla-51320962143&wl5=9018577&wl6=&wl7=9017849&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=462014825&wl11=online&wl12=290349917&veh=sem&gclid=CjwKCAjw6MKXBhA5EiwANWLODEELDaxbDjW8f1yhf1N6XeVxwcVZ7lDGDBHV-FZVmUchE1fBGy2wRxoCHp4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Walmart, the most American store in the world created by that great capitalist Sam Walton, even sells the same crickets Amazon does. So apparently eating and selling crickets is not confined to that evil Jeff Bezos conspirator at Amazon.

Article on eating crickets. Just like they do in Thailand according to Tommy.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/eating-crickets

And Tommy, I think even if John ended up homeless, he would be smart enough to realize sleeping on the soft grass would be better than on a hard park bench. You on the other hand, I doubt you are that smart. Tommy, parks usually contain grass areas. And you said park bench. So there would be lots of grass to sleep on near the hard bench. Dumb homeless Tommy, too stupid to sleep on the soft grass. He chooses to sleep on the hard park bench. Typical.

[John B.]

Firstly (:-) Thai's don't eat insects as a part of their normal diet.
they eat insects as sort of "nibble food" just as you would eat salted
peanuts. If you walk around the "Sunday Market" a horrendously large
area with something like 15,000 stalls selling everything you can
imagine, you will certainly see folks walking around with a small bag
of "salted Beetles".

As for sleeping on park benches.... Well, Thailand has few if any
"homeless". Current unemployment is about 1% and in the "boom times",
before Covid, the number was less then 1%.

That is not to say that if you go to the Park on a nice Sunday
afternoon you won't see those taking a bit of a nap, Just as you will
see those practicing Tai Chi or running or even riding a bicycle.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 8 Aug 2022 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>and living in a country where the cost of living is low because people will even eat crickets...

Wrong. I like to eat roasted crickets:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=roasted+crickets&tbm=isch>
I would eat them more often, but the prices are rather high:
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=roasted+crickets>
At those prices, crickets are hardly poverty food.
"Why Are Crickets So Expensive?"
<https://exoprotein.com/blogs/blog/why-are-crickets-so-expensive>

How to Make Roasted Crickets:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_5RtiRCi_s> (12:01)

Also mealworms:
<https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/13/yellow-mealworm-safe-for-humans-to-eat-says-eu-food-safety-agency>

Eating insects (entomophagy) is common in many places (except in
western countries):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entomophagy_in_humans>

Insect markets in Thailand:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=insect+market&tbm=isch>

The USDA is promoting insects as an economical source of protein:
"From Pests to Protein: Edible Insects Emerge as a Sustainable Food
Source"
<https://www.nifa.usda.gov/about-nifa/impacts/pests-protein-edible-insects-emerge-sustainable-food-source>

"Get ready to eat bugs if you want to live beyond 2050"
<https://www.engadget.com/2020-01-28-crickets-algae-lab-grown-meat-future-of-protein.html>


--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

It is if andre the Arrogant says it is.

.>.... Actually I

> shouldn't use the term "Irish Fool" as some Irish are quite astute
> .... Maybe "Fool in Ireland" would be a more accurate term.

And remember, he isn't Irish. He's part of the apartheid minority from south africa. The irony here is how he rails against socialism, yet _chooses_ to live in one of the most socialist and most liberal countries in europe. No, he's not an irish fool. That would be an insult to actual irish fools. You got it right the second time - he's just a fool in ireland.

>
> As for Tommy, well he is a fool and has exhibited his foolishness for
> at least the past 17 years, on the Web, so no need of a descriptive
> there. Just write his name and Bingo! The readers insert the correct
> descriptive term automatically.

Maybe that's why tommy keeps losing money in the stock market - he's trying to buy stock a government bureaucracy.


> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

The Pacific Northwest National Laboratory is part of the DOE you fucking idiot.

> You morons are really showing your ugly asses in these contorted efforts to flame Tom.

No wonder no one reads your drivel anymore, you can't even understand the difference between a us government agency and a private company.

> What would you do if he was ill-advised enough to call out a cheery "Good morning" to you?

we would know he was up to some subterfuge and tell him to fuck off.

> -- Unsigned for the usual reasons.

Take it a step further and unsubscribe, you hypocritical hack.

[John B.]

When you talk about Andy, the "famous" self published author, living
in the "low rent district" and self described as "too obese to be safe
riding a conventional "push-bike" and thus had to build the famous
electric bicycle, you are talking about a chap with, as the Supreme
Court described it, "no socially redeeming qualities"

I blocked his posts years ago as being of even of less content then
those of "tomfool" Tommy.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

I don't actually block anyone's posts. (And while I'm posting this using Google Groups,
I do have that blocking capability on other platforms.)

But Jute's posts are too self-aggrandizing, long-winded, foul and boring to bother reading.
I occasionally speed-read or skim to make sure nothing has changed. Nothing ever does.

Just think: a wannabee writer who has to resort to insults to attract anyone's attention
to what he writes. And even so, the only real attention he gets is from Tom Kunich. Sad.

- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

I've always regarded his posts as 'much ado about nothing" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

I skip over Andre the Giant's posts. Do not read. But I enjoy disproving Tommy boy's lies.

[John B.]

I'm not sure if they are lies... in the sense that they are deliberate
attempts at prevarication.

After reading his posts for a considerable time I'm led to believe
that his "lies" are quite simply his attempts to prove to the world
just how intelligent and witty he is. Prove that he is "normal", so to
speak.

Unfortunately his attempts rather tend to enforce the fact that he
really isn't what most people would define as "normal". Rather he
displays all the attributes of someone who is either incredibly
stupid, or even "touched in the head" as the old folk used to say.

Or to put it more bluntly, it isn't "silly old Tommy", it is "crazy
old Tommy".

--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

I know you meant to write And _re_, not And _y_. But for the uninitiated please be more careful. Andy is a knowledgeable and valuable contributor to this forum (political preferences notwithstanding). Andre is exactly as you note - though I would expand as "utterly no socially, politically, or intellectually redeeming values> "

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Andre the Giant contributed far more to the advancement of human kind than andre the hypocrite ever did. Our version has debased himself so badly he's had a negative impact on any enlightement he ever contributed.

[Frank Krygowski]

A very good point. Andy is not Andre. That's one reason I say "Jute."


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Andre Jute]

Oh you poor dumb fucks. Reams of ad hominem which merely proves your malicious ignorance over and over again.

When the American government saved the American automobile industry, who do you think owned the shares taken as security: then-President Obama or a government institution?
>
Who do you think owned the securities underwriting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for most of their existence? Do you even know what a quango is?
>
You really should stay out of fields in which you have no knowledge, and leave them to lateral thinkers like Tom and me. You don't have what it takes, because you're small men with petty minds, semi-literate flunkies whose last achievement was getting a high school diploma.
>
Andre Jute
Andre is never more brutal than he has to be. -- Nelson Mandela
>

[Tom Kunich]

Jeff and Franik for college diploma's doing less work than it took to get a high school diploma. If you have a diploma that is never used for that which it is intended, you do not have a diploma.

Slow Johnny thinks that he is so brilliant that he knows that today I am making the same mistakes of trusting Obama or now Biden. Funny that I haven't lost a cent in the stock market. Meanwhile, he doesn't have a cent in the stock market. His entire world is tied up in collecting his military retirement and living in a country that has a very low cost of living. Too bad that Biden before his term is up is going to devalue his military retirement to the point where one Dollar is going to be worth one Baht.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 8/12/2022 12:57 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>
> Oh you poor dumb fucks. Reams of ad hominem which merely proves your malicious ignorance over and over again.

:-) Hey! Andre is taking Irony Lessons from Tom!


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Andre Jute]

Do you have any answers to my substantive points, Franki-boy, or do you just like the pointless sound of your own voice?
>
Here they are again, for you to answer:

>
When the American government saved the American automobile industry, who do you think owned the shares taken as security: then-President Obama or a government institution?
>
Who do you think owned the securities underwriting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for most of their existence? Do you even know what a quango is?
>

Doesn't look to me like you know anything, Franki-boy, which is why you stick to personal abuse.
>
Unsigned out of contempt for a foolish wannabe bully.
>

[Tom Kunich]

Well, when you're nothing and have never been anything all he has left is the sound of his own voice. Were he to answer a question substantially he would first have to know something. Since that isn't the case the only thing he could possibly do is make meaningless noises just like a pig in rut.

[John B.]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

"Funny that I haven't lost a cent in the stock market."???

And what was it, a month ago you were whining about all the money you
lost when O'bama was president? Now you tell us that you haven't lost
a cent?
Are you lying again? Or did your memory slip a cog.

As for my living? Well, I'll just say that I worked overseas for 30
years and invested in local stock markets which did very well, thank
you. And without going into details our current investments are
largely in property and gold both of which are doing better then the
inflation rate.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Gold and real estate have done very well. For fun, I get my fun in unusual ways I guess, I looked at the various indices and gold between Aug or Sep 2000, and today, Aug 12, 2022. Here are the results, percentage increase from 2000 to 2022:
Gold +557%
S&P 500 +225%
Dow +201%
Nasdaq +287%

Real estate is also up a large amount in the past 22 years.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:57:17 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Do you even know what a quango is?

The term is British which might explain why US residents are not
familiar with the term. I have yet to see it used in the US even
though many US non-governmental organizations quality to be labeled a
quango:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_the_United_States>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government-owned_companies>

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

I have never heard that term. But I suppose it could be applicable to 2008 when the US Federal Government bailed out General Motors with $50 billion. Government ended up owning 61 percent equity stake in the company. And I believe there have been a few examples of the US Government partnering up with companies on various projects. Take the recent Covid vaccines. US Federal Government worked with Pfizer and Moderna to make the vaccines. Kind of a partnership.

[John B.]

As somebody said, "Buy Land! they aren't making any more of it."
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

Thanks, Jeff. I didn't read either of the two references you supplied: I would find their creeping socialism just too depressing. -- AJ

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

And of course you deliberately distort the meaning of ad hominem to suit your disgusting behaviour.

>
> When the American government saved the American automobile industry, who do you think owned the shares taken as security: then-President Obama or a government institution?
> >
> Who do you think owned the securities underwriting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for most of their existence?

lol....silly troll thinks that the government owning shares in a private company is the same as a government department having shares for sale.

The original point was tommy claiming Pacific Northwest National Laboratory was a private company with stockholders. You've tried to conflate his mistake with private companies that the US government holds shares in. This is wrong, and stupid (even for you).

> >
> You really should stay out of fields in which you have no knowledge, and leave them to lateral thinkers like Tom and me.

As is demonstrated by you two repeatedly initiating personal attacks and making factually incorrect statements.

> You don't have what it takes, because you're small men with petty minds, semi-literate flunkies whose last achievement was getting a high school diploma.

That would be tommy, and he didn't get a diploma, he got a GED, then lied about getting a four-year degree from a community college that doesn't offer four-year degrees.

> Andre Jute
> Andre is never more brutal than he has to be. -- Nelson Mandela

Nelson Mandela told you to fuck off.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Frank isn't about to regress into the neanderthal 'gutterances' of you two half-wits.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

I've noticed andre seems to be regressing more and more to tommy's level lately.

[AMuzi]

Gold does not change value; currencies depreciate against it.

[AMuzi]

Mussolini did it better- practical control of industry
without contractual or statutory control of the 'means of
production'. It never works in real life despite shades of
communist structure and other subterfuges.

[Tom Kunich]

The silly crap thar Slow Johnny writes demonstrates that he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. That he thinks that the "price of gold is up" shows exactly why he lives in Thailand.

[Tom Kunich]

What is somewhat surprising is that today's communists don't even know that they are communists. They will swear on a stack of bibles that they are not communists and then they will parrot the communist line on every single thing right down the line. They might as well be quoting the Manifesto.

[Frank Krygowski]

That's a fundamentalist sort of thought - a belief that gold has some
sort of intrinsic value.

ISTM the "value" of gold, like anything else, is determined by people's
willingness to trade or pay for it. Gold may be less subject to changes
in fashion than Bitcoins or baseball cards, but it's not immune. How
else to explain the fact that in times of widespread fear or societal
insecurity, people are willing to pay more for gold?

I think if you were to take a large gold nugget to some previously
uncontacted indigenous tribe, you'd find its value might be only two
yams plus an anteater meat sandwich.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:35:25 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute

<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 5:42:52 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:57:17 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Do you even know what a quango is?
>> The term is British which might explain why US residents are not
>> familiar with the term. I have yet to see it used in the US even
>> though many US non-governmental organizations quality to be labeled a
>> quango:
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_the_United_States>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government-owned_companies>

>Thanks, Jeff. I didn't read either of the two references you supplied: I would find their creeping socialism just too depressing. -- AJ

That's efficient. If you don't agree with something, just ignore
everything that suggests otherwise. With such filtering, you will
soon conclude that everyone agrees with your point of view. May I
suggest a different approach to filtering your reading material.

I tend to read articles with which I disagree. I see no need to read
anything that corroborates my biases, assertions, opinions, dogma,
common knowledge, etc because I'm quite familiar with them. However,
articles with which I disagree, by authors whom I find disagreeable,
in politically polarized publications, are much more interesting.
These give me new perspectives on literally every topic possible,
delivered using creative logic, carefully selected misinterpretations,
dry lab data, irreproducible mathematics, amazing facts, and other
proofs that I admittedly find fascinating. Reading such sources gives
me a fairly good idea of what the opposition is thinking and adds far
more to my accumulated knowledge than reading agreeable sources.

The view from the other side can be very different. Should I find
myself to be in error, it also gives me a clue what awaits me should I
decide to change sides. You should try it sometime. I think you'll
find reading the opposition to be far less boring than reading endless
reproductions of what you already assume to be true.

[AMuzi]

>"...communists...swear on a stack of bibles..."

*ahem* Let's rephrase that:

'Communists swear on a lack of Bibles'

[Andre Jute]

Heh-heh!
>
After Lenin died, very likely of venereal disease, raving about their not being enough executions, Stalin intended to use his effigy to replace God in the life of the Russian peasants, hundreds of thousands of whom still thought that Constitskaya was the name of Alexander's Tsarina. Lenin's wife, a much more committed ideologue than either of them, was outraged, but Stalin wouldn't be baulked. He said, "If Krupskaya won't cooperate, I shall have to appoint someone else to be Lenin's widow." -- AJ
>

[Tom Kunich]

One of the most outstanding structures in Moscow are what are now known as the Russian Orthodox Church which were founded by the Apostle Andrew. Quite contrary to the ideal atheism of the communist leaders, the revolution did not drive the people away from religion but more deeply embedded it into their souls. Russia is NOT the US where pitiful little people like the stupid six are atheistic because they have been told to be so by their beloved Democrat Party.

There are five HUGE Orthodox Cathedrals in Moscow and every city has worship services far more heavily populated than anything here in the USA with our supposed Freedom of Religion.

https://travel.sygic.com/en/poi/cathedral-of-christ-the-saviour-poi:57851

[John B.]

Well, What is this "Communist Line"?

I've now asked you, what is it? Six separate times? To define
"Communist" and so far you have never, apparently, been able to do so.

Tell us Tommy, is this because you don't know?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

I'm not sure but what you are oversimplifying a bit. Certainly
currencies do appreciate and depreciate viv-a-vis gold but the demand
also goes up and down and obviously supply and demand does effect what
you can sell an object for.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

Well Tommy I bought gold for 18,250 baht per baht weight and as of
Monday it was selling for 30,050 baht.... seems like an increase to
me.

I can't calculate "cost of everything" inflation prices but the price
of rice increased by 13% over the same period while the price of gold
has increased by 66%.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

From memory didn't the U.S. abandoned the Gold Standard because the
official price of gold in the U.S. was lower then the international
price thus a foreign entity could "make a fortune" buying gold in the
U.S. with U.S. currency and then selling the gold abroad for U.S.
dollars.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

Indeed, but most visitors would consider St Basil's Cathedral Outside the Walls the most impressive monument in Moscow, the most eye-catching for sure, and it stands in Red Square, foursquare in the middle, right outside the Kremlin walls. It makes the huge fortress look drab and huddled, rather than threatening. And this memory is from two decades before the fall of Communism, during Brezhnev's Little Perestroika, which came to nothing, not after the fall of Communism, when it could be dismissed as a psychosomatic conclusions to past events. -- AJ

[Andre Jute]

If all those Smart Men like J. M. Keynes only had you, Slow Johnny, at Bretton Woods to straighten them out, just think how much better the world could have been today. Just think, if you can bear two whole thoughts on the same day, there's another thing you can look up in all the wrong places and not understand, though you will no doubt think you do.

>
Unsigned for the usual reasons.

Actually, I doubt the self-important shortass will recognise sarcasm. He probably thinks I'm praising him.
>

[AMuzi]

uh that would be Sts Cyril ad Methodius, hence 'Cyrillic
script'.

[AMuzi]

Yes. Just as bank accounting is the inverse of business
accounting (for a bank, loans are assets, deposits are
liabilities) the same applies to currencies. Viewed the
other way, the dollar collapsed.

[Tom Kunich]

Lets remember this - Moscow as most of the major cities in Russia was reduced to nothing more than ruble by the Germans. These Churches were ALL built by public subscription by people that didn't even know where their next meal was coming from. What power the Russian Government presently holds is absolutely nothing compared to that achievement,. So if you believe that communism was anything other than a foreign form of government forced upon the Russian people from a German source remember that.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 8/14/2022 11:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Lets remember this - Moscow as most of the major cities in Russia was reduced to nothing more than ruble by the Germans.

"... nothing more than ruble..." :-)

> These Churches were ALL built by public subscription by people that didn't even know where their next meal was coming from. What power the Russian Government presently holds is absolutely nothing compared to that achievement,. So if you believe that communism was anything other than a foreign form of government forced upon the Russian people from a German source remember that.

I suspect that Tom may be confusing Moscow and Warsaw. Here's Moscow
after WW2:
https://www.alamy.com/stock-image-a-victory-parade-in-red-square-near-the-kremlin-moscow-date-24-june-169313240.html

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:27:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 8/14/2022 11:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Lets remember this - Moscow as most of the major cities in Russia was reduced to nothing more than ruble by the Germans.
>
>"... nothing more than ruble..." :-)
>
>> These Churches were ALL built by public subscription by people that didn't even know where their next meal was coming from. What power the Russian Government presently holds is absolutely nothing compared to that achievement,. So if you believe that communism was anything other than a foreign form of government forced upon the Russian people from a German source remember that.

Public "subscription"? I think you might mean "conscription" instead.
However, neither term applies. The major churches in Moscow were
built by the reigning monarchs of the time:
<https://www.moscovery.com/orthodox-churches-in-moscow/>
They wanted quality work for their churches which means they paid
their craftsmen and workers. There may have been some corvee labor
which was free labor provided by the feudal lords and vassals in order
to keep their positions. However, I didn't see any evidence of that
in church achitecture articles.

>I suspect that Tom may be confusing Moscow and Warsaw. Here's Moscow
>after WW2:
>https://www.alamy.com/stock-image-a-victory-parade-in-red-square-near-the-kremlin-moscow-date-24-june-169313240.html

Your suspicion are accurate. The damage to the city was minimal:
<https://www.quora.com/What-was-life-like-in-Moscow-immediately-after-the-war-1945-1950>
From Egor Salukov:
"How much of Moscow was damaged during WWII?
Not that much. Wehrmacht was stopped about ten miles away from the
city (actually that part of land IS Moscow now, we grew significantly
since), and because of that it was not bombed that heavily: germans
had their aircraft focused on soviet troops rather that soviet
capital."

Also, Warsaw was totally trashed by the Germans after the Warsaw
uprising:
"Destruction of Warsaw"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Warsaw>

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Frank and Jeff have already addressed your lies about Moscow being destroyed during WW2. So I will omit my correction of your lies.

But I will address this lie: "So if you believe that communism was anything other than a foreign form of government forced upon the Russian people from a German source remember that."

Tommy, you do not know any history of course. But Russia was run be Duchy, Tsars, dictators before the Communists took charge in 1917. Vladimir Lenin was born in Russia. 400 miles east of Moscow. The communist dictators of Russia, or the Soviet Union, have been running Russia ever since. The Russians invented and originated their own government from within. No foreign government such as Germany forced a government model upon Russia.

Tommy, education is good. It makes you smarter. Learn Tommy, learn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

[John B.]

Yup, lets remember....

The Battle of Moscow took place from October 1941 and January 1942
(Tommy was born in 1944)

And for "reduced to nothing more than ruble"? Well the Russians (who
had been born) tell us that the Germans advanced only as far as
Krasnaya Polyana, about 29 km (18 mi) from the Kremlin in central
Moscow. It was said that German officers could actually see some of
the major buildings of the Soviet capital. Through their field glasses
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

I'm not a student of Russia but from little I have read about the
country and what I have observed in Asia I suggest that the general
population has it better under the Communists then they had under the
Tsars.

And, yes I know, that is an unpopular viewpoint, but read a bit of
history.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

[Andre Jute]

It's a pity you didn't indulge in some of that education you tout, Seaton or Eaton or WETF your name is. Education also broadens your outlook, of which you have apparently have zero, unless, again, you're lying just to hound Tom Kunich.
>
Tom is 100% spot on when he says Communism is a foreign system of government imposed on the Russians. Karl Marx, the eponymous founder of Marxism, which, just for your little gang of thugs since everyone else already knows, is the basis of Marxism, was a German. Most of the other important Communists were foreigners too: Stalin was a Georgian, Trotsky was a Ukrainian, Bela Kun was a Hungarian, Dzershinsky was a Pole, etc, etc, etc. Furthermore the entire Bolshevik apparat was imposed on on Russia by Germany in the middle of a war because the Bolsheviks, from their various exiles, promised to stop the war. The Germans did this by sending the Bolsheviks to Russia from Switzerland by a sealed train through Germany -- they weren't having these vermin contaminate their own country. Once in Russia the Bolsheviks, one of the smaller revolutionary parties (distinguished by the fact that all the others had fought in the revolution which brough Kerensky to power except the Bolsheviks), took power not by force on the Palace Square as in the myth they created, but by simply locking the democratically elected representatives of the other parties out of the Tauride Palace where they were meeting. Every educated person knows at least that much, except Russell Seaton or Eaton or WETF your name is. The name of the Bolshevik sailor who turned out the lights on democracy in Russia (literally -- he turned a switch on a parliament meeting in the Tauride which would not light up again for three quarters of a century) will be known long after you nobodies are dead: Anton Zheleznyakov.
>
Tom Kunich is better educated by his reading and his lively mind than the tenth-rate education Russell Seaton or Eaton or WETF his name is brags about, and everyone in RBT's little gang of incompetent street corner bullies who brag about their pisswilly so-called education. It shows in exchanges like this one, where Tom has already walked all over you before you even open your mouth, because we know that a stupidity will issue forth.
?
The RBT Scumballs aren't even smart enough to keep their mouths shut. This is two days in a row I've caught Eaton or Seaton etc out in making a dumb statement contrary to the facts in his effort to embarrass Tom. I'm not at all convinced Eaton or Seaton knows any better, I've already proved that Slow Johnny is so unsophisticated as to be wrong in emphasis even in the rare instance he gets hold of the relevant fact and manages not to bodge them, I've already demonstrated many times that Krygowski is a frightened fool who can even lie convincingly about statistics, and as for the clown Flunky, his name says it all, he's just a ghetto corner bully looking for someone smaller to beat up.
>
Andre Jute
How did people as useless as RBT's gang of scum ever manage to grow so old and spiteful without being constantly beaten up in bars?
>

[Andre Jute]

Do tell us, Slow Johnny, which Tsar killed 3.5m peasants by flying firing squads (prototryads) as Stalin did in his kulak wars to make the New Economic System (capitalism, Lenin's last desperate throw of the dice before he died of syphilis) work, and killed untold millions more by taking their seed corn to pay for importing tractors they couldn't use? i'd really like to know, so I can plug the huge holes in my education you keep exposing -- that's sarcasm, in case you're a bit slower on the uptake than normal today.
>
Andre Jute
Fallen among the idiots and the illiterates.
>
PS Some of you will enjoy this bit of trivia: In his first Kulak Suppression, Stalin was on honeymoon. Nadia would stay at the hotel while Stalin went about his bloody work, and at night he would come home and sink into wedded bliss. Later, when she had discovered who he really was, she committed suicide. Stalin used that as the excuse for another bloodbath. BTW, a "kulak", a rich peasant whose land was more efficient to take than that of many small peasants together, was defined by owning "two coats".
>

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremlin
Wikipedia says the Kremin walls were built back in 1485-1495. Many of the buildings inside were built in the 1300, 1400, 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800s. Last were built about 1851. As you state the Germans attacked Moscow in late 1941, early 1942. 90 years after the last buildings were built in the Kremlin. So I'm not sure how Moscow could be reduced to rubble and the Kremlin still standing. But maybe Tommy boy can explain it to us.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

OK. I'm guessing under the Tsars most of Russia's east and south was not part of Russia yet. It was all conquered, acquired, later. So the people were just tribes wandering about and fighting each other willy nilly. And probably even under the Tsar's there was not much real control. The Tsar just sent his soldiers every now and then to extract the annual stipend. But under the communists, everyone obeyed because there was direct control at hand. So much less wandering and fighting. Guessing their life was a 1 under the Tsar, and became a 2 under the communists. An improvement!!!!!!!!!

Also remember, the vast majority of Russia is the hinter lands. Russia really does not have much except natural resources buried in the ground. Modern resources such as oil and gas and iron and coal are only useful in modern times. Not 200 years ago. Lumber is really only useful if you have people that need it to build houses. No people, no need for lumber. All of Russia's farmland is located between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea and along the southern Kazakhstan border. The vast majority of Russia cannot feed itself. If you look at the population map of Russia, all the people live near the farmland.

[John B.]

Well (:-) That's Tommy and only The God/Gods/Goddess know where he
gets his ideas.

But apparently the Head Honcho in Moscow was worried that "the people"
might get the wrong idea so he had a parade while the battle was still
going on.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 20:52:13 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

Well (:-) The last Russian Tsar ruled until 1917, I think, and the
Russian Empire was surpassed in size only by the British and Mongol
empires. It had 125.6 million subjects according to the 1897 census,
and the empire extended from the Arctic Ocean in the north to the
Black Sea in the south, from the Baltic Sea on the west into Alaska
and Northern California, in North America, on the east. By the end of
the 19th century, it would acquire Central Asia and parts of Northeast
Asia.

>Also remember, the vast majority of Russia is the hinter lands. Russia really does not have much except natural resources buried in the ground. Modern resources such as oil and gas and iron and coal are only useful in modern times. Not 200 years ago. Lumber is really only useful if you have people that need it to build houses. No people, no need for lumber. All of Russia's farmland is located between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea and along the southern Kazakhstan border. The vast majority of Russia cannot feed itself. If you look at the population map of Russia, all the people live near the farmland.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Sio now Russell proves himself an ass and an idiot at the same time. The Luftwaffe were determined to kill Stalin so they were determined to destroy the Kremlin. But the antiaircraft fire was far too heavy around the Kremlin. So the Luftwaffe dropped some 95,000 fire bombs into the urban area around the city of Moscow turning the city itself into burned out and blow up rubble. The stupid six will lie about this because that is what they do. They will show a military march around the Kremlin because that was an area of Moscow unaffected. They have absolutely no care for the truth. Anything they believe that they can use as a weapon to challenge me with is perfectly OK with them and that Moscow was largely destroyed counts for nothing if they think that they can get away with their lies and distortions. But all you have to do is use Slow Johnny's favorite source of all of his information - Google - to search for the destruction of Moscow which the Luftwaffe themselves documented.

[Tom Kunich]

They could hardly be called street corner thugs since they hide under the protection of anonymity or distance for protection. Russell even had the unmitigated gall of saying that I was too weak and frail to be of any danger. But you don't see him saying where he lives. They would have nothing to fear from me unless they dared call me a liar to my face and then they wouldn't ever do that again.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 09:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>The Luftwaffe were determined to kill Stalin so they were determined to destroy the Kremlin.

Nope. The Germans were determined to destroy the defending Russian
army. There was no tactical or strategic value in destroying the
residential areas around Moscow.

>But the antiaircraft fire was far too heavy around the Kremlin.

Nope. There was little anti-aircraft fire from the city during the
battle:
"Air Battle for Moscow 1941-1942"
<https://www.ww2today.com/p/air-battle-for-moscow-1941-1942>
"There was no air-raid warning and the people could not take shelter
in time. The anti-aircraft artillery did not open fire."

>So the Luftwaffe dropped some 95,000 fire bombs into the
>urban area around the city of Moscow turning the city
>itself into burned out and blow up rubble.

Incendiary bombs during the Russian winter and in the rain? That
wouldn't be very effective. From the above source, there's no mention
of "fire" bombing:

"On the morning of 21 October the weather in the Moscow area was
‘normal’: 10 points of cloud and periodic rain. (...) Taking advantage
of the clouds, they arrived undetected over the city and dropped
sixty-six high-explosive and fragmentation bombs."

"In this attack, the Germans used not only the usual high-explosive
and fragmentation bombs, but special SBe50 concrete fragmentation
bombs. They were charged with ammonium nitrate with a mixture of wood
pulp and aluminium powder. The 4 - 5cm (1.5 - 2 inches) concrete body
of the bomb had steel fragments embedded in it, resembling modern
terrorist devices."

So, where is YOUR proof, substantiation, or evidence that things
happened the way you described?

[John B.]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 10:15:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

"YOUR proof"???

Come now! Tommy doesn't need any proof. You see, "Tommy Knows"!

A comedian, Jimmy Durante, who had a large nose, used to use the
phrase "the nose knows" as the tag line for the most outlandish
statements, which in his case were jokes.

As Durante never patented the statement I see no reason for not using
a similar tag line for Tommy's outlandish lies.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Tommy, me, Jeff, John, Frank, and all the others, use FACTS to challenge your lies and fantastical tales. Its not too difficult. Some liars are good at lying and tell tales that take skill to discover are lies. But you Tommy, tell pathetic lies that are very easy to prove false. Tommy, you need to up your game to challenge the rest of us more.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Tommy, you are a 77 year old person. I purposely did not use the word man because I think a man has to earn that designation. You've been on Social Security for 15 years now. Look in the mirror. You will see a reflection of drooping skin, sunken eyes, hunched shoulders. The part of your brain that manages your temper is apparently blazing away. But the rest of your brain and physical body are degrading quickly.

Tommy, eat some ice cream. Unless the cold hurts your failing teeth. Then eat a piece of cake instead. Lie down and take a sleep break. The rest will do your mental health well.