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John Doe
May 16, 2016, 8:00:00 PM5/16/16
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I'm not suggesting anything, just asking about the normal practice. Is the
plastic inside of a brake cable noodle replaceable?
If so, what plastic is used? I see nothing for sale as a direct replacement.
If the answer is "we just replace the noodle", that's fine too.
Thanks.
plastic inside of a brake cable noodle replaceable?
If so, what plastic is used? I see nothing for sale as a direct replacement.
If the answer is "we just replace the noodle", that's fine too.
Thanks.
John B.
May 16, 2016, 9:09:55 PM5/16/16
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noodle, just pull it out. Practically, it may not be possible as I'm
not sure whether the plastic liner is available as a separate item.
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cheers,
John B.
Frank Krygowski
May 16, 2016, 9:43:59 PM5/16/16
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plastic liner. I wonder if such a thing is still for sale? If so, it
would seem any bike shop that had it could sell (or give) you a 3" piece.
--
- Frank Krygowski
John B.
May 16, 2016, 11:45:09 PM5/16/16
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it from moving.
I see both Jagwire and Shimano "cable liners" for sale on e-bay.
Jagwire offereds for ~$7.00 for "two pieces" and Shimano for ~$8.00
for 1,800 mm.
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cheers,
John B.
Jeff Liebermann
May 17, 2016, 12:43:28 AM5/17/16
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On Mon, 16 May 2016 23:56:23 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
<alway...@message.header> wrote:
<alway...@message.header> wrote:
>If the answer is "we just replace the noodle", that's fine too.
Noodle? Whazzat?
Travel Agent V Brake Adapter
<http://problemsolversbike.com/products/travel_agents/>
How To Install A Problem Solvers Travel Agent
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJEBRCWNC8g>
I don't have any on any of my machines, but did install a pair on an
MTB for a lady with small hands to increase the cable travel distance.
However, at $20 EACH, it's a rather expensive way to get rid of the
noodle. It also tends to get clogged full of dirt, but disassembly
and cleaning is quite easy.
There's also the RavX Super Noodle:
<http://store.ravx.com/p/v-brake-super-noodle-kit>
<http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/416xk-Aea2L._SX425_.jpg>
which will require replacing the brake cable housing to extend the
extra distance.
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John Doe
May 17, 2016, 12:59:07 AM5/17/16
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John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz> wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Cables" for about $7.50 US.
One reviewer wrote "you can use this inside of brake noodles. This can be
applied to bottom bracket guides as well". Others talk about using it for
in-frame cabling.
A hot piece of metal might work for making a flange, but that's for later.
Thanks.
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> John B. wrote:
>>> John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not suggesting anything, just asking about the normal practice.
>>>> Is the plastic inside of a brake cable noodle replaceable? If so,
>>>> what plastic is used? I see nothing for sale as a direct
>>>> replacement.
>>> John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not suggesting anything, just asking about the normal practice.
>>>> Is the plastic inside of a brake cable noodle replaceable? If so,
>>>> what plastic is used? I see nothing for sale as a direct
>>>> replacement.
>>> Technically, yes you can replace the plastic "liner" in a V-brake
>>> noodle, just pull it out. Practically, it may not be possible as I'm
>>> not sure whether the plastic liner is available as a separate item.
>>
>> I once bought a large length of cable housing that came with a
>> separate plastic liner. I wonder if such a thing is still for sale?
>> If so, it would seem any bike shop that had it could sell (or give)
>> you a 3" piece.
>
> The "noodle" liner has a flange on the cable housing end which keeps
> it from moving.
>
> I see both Jagwire and Shimano "cable liners" for sale on e-bay.
> Jagwire offereds for ~$7.00 for "two pieces" and Shimano for ~$8.00
> for 1,800 mm.
On Amazon... "Jagwire Black Housing Liner 30 Meter Roll, Fits up to 1.8mm
>>> noodle, just pull it out. Practically, it may not be possible as I'm
>>> not sure whether the plastic liner is available as a separate item.
>>
>> I once bought a large length of cable housing that came with a
>> separate plastic liner. I wonder if such a thing is still for sale?
>> If so, it would seem any bike shop that had it could sell (or give)
>> you a 3" piece.
>
> The "noodle" liner has a flange on the cable housing end which keeps
> it from moving.
>
> I see both Jagwire and Shimano "cable liners" for sale on e-bay.
> Jagwire offereds for ~$7.00 for "two pieces" and Shimano for ~$8.00
> for 1,800 mm.
Cables" for about $7.50 US.
One reviewer wrote "you can use this inside of brake noodles. This can be
applied to bottom bracket guides as well". Others talk about using it for
in-frame cabling.
A hot piece of metal might work for making a flange, but that's for later.
Thanks.
John Doe
May 17, 2016, 1:18:45 AM5/17/16
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Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> Noodle? Whazzat?
>
> Travel Agent V Brake Adapter
> <http://problemsolversbike.com/products/travel_agents/>
> Noodle? Whazzat?
>
> Travel Agent V Brake Adapter
> <http://problemsolversbike.com/products/travel_agents/>
> I don't have any on any of my machines, but did install a pair on an
> MTB for a lady with small hands to increase the cable travel distance.
> However, at $20 EACH, it's a rather expensive way to get rid of the
> noodle. It also tends to get clogged full of dirt, but disassembly
> and cleaning is quite easy.
>
> There's also the RavX Super Noodle:
> <http://store.ravx.com/p/v-brake-super-noodle-kit>
> <http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/416xk-Aea2L._SX425_.jpg>
> which will require replacing the brake cable housing to extend the
> extra distance.
Using a roller makes sense to me, but I'm not so sure about using the cable
> MTB for a lady with small hands to increase the cable travel distance.
> However, at $20 EACH, it's a rather expensive way to get rid of the
> noodle. It also tends to get clogged full of dirt, but disassembly
> and cleaning is quite easy.
>
> There's also the RavX Super Noodle:
> <http://store.ravx.com/p/v-brake-super-noodle-kit>
> <http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/416xk-Aea2L._SX425_.jpg>
> which will require replacing the brake cable housing to extend the
> extra distance.
in place of a noodle. Some plastics are self lubricating and wear better
than steel. That's probably the idea behind the noodle... Slippery.
Thanks, I was wondering about using a pulley or a roller.
Tosspot
May 17, 2016, 1:31:45 AM5/17/16
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a new one.
Jeff Liebermann
May 17, 2016, 2:08:53 AM5/17/16
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dirt to act as an abrasive, and the plastic is likely to become gouged
by the cable. You can add lube to the equation, but the dirt is still
going to dig into the plastic. The reasons that the noodle doesn't
destroy itself is that the lateral (side) pressure by the cable on the
noodle is minimal, the cable travel is short, and number of brake
cycles are few. If this were part of a continuously reciprocating
mechanism, the sleeve and noodle wouldn't last very long.
>Thanks, I was wondering about using a pulley or a roller.
Notice in the YouTube video above, that you can run the cable around
just the outer pulley to replace the noodle without adding additional
cable travel. Starts at 1:01.
AMuzi
May 17, 2016, 7:57:23 AM5/17/16
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It's a PTFE tube with a flared top (so it won't fall though
the noodle. Could be fabricated from a section of brake
casing liner flared with a cigarette lighter by pushing the
hot tube over a section of brake wire in a vise. I haven't
done that but have done similar projects with that material.
OTOH noodles are dirt cheap and available everywhere.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
avag...@gmail.com
May 17, 2016, 8:51:54 AM5/17/16
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avag...@gmail.com
May 17, 2016, 8:54:55 AM5/17/16
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prob surplus junk....maybe buy some for muh Cub
Ian Field
May 17, 2016, 1:49:39 PM5/17/16
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"John Doe" <alway...@message.header> wrote in message
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will probably cost more than a whole new noodle.
Wherever possible, I save money by using salvaged parts - noodles and their
liners come in a few shapes and sizes. It just isn't worth risking getting a
bad fit liner.
Ian Field
May 17, 2016, 1:53:07 PM5/17/16
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"AMuzi" <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
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> On 5/16/2016 6:56 PM, John Doe wrote:
>> I'm not suggesting anything, just asking about the normal practice. Is
>> the
>> plastic inside of a brake cable noodle replaceable?
>>
>> If so, what plastic is used? I see nothing for sale as a direct
>> replacement.
>>
>> If the answer is "we just replace the noodle", that's fine too.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> Yes and no.
>
> It's a PTFE tube with a flared top (so it won't fall though the noodle.
> Could be fabricated from a section of brake casing liner flared with a
> cigarette lighter by pushing the hot tube over a section of brake wire in
> a vise.
You'd have trouble trying that with PTFE liners, it might work (sort of)
>> I'm not suggesting anything, just asking about the normal practice. Is
>> the
>> plastic inside of a brake cable noodle replaceable?
>>
>> If so, what plastic is used? I see nothing for sale as a direct
>> replacement.
>>
>> If the answer is "we just replace the noodle", that's fine too.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> Yes and no.
>
> It's a PTFE tube with a flared top (so it won't fall though the noodle.
> Could be fabricated from a section of brake casing liner flared with a
> cigarette lighter by pushing the hot tube over a section of brake wire in
> a vise.
with the nylon ones.
Some cheap ones have polythene liners - a good enough excuse to replace the
noodle in its own right.
Jeff Liebermann
May 18, 2016, 6:55:34 PM5/18/16
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On Tue, 17 May 2016 06:57:19 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>It's a PTFE tube with a flared top (so it won't fall though
>the noodle. Could be fabricated from a section of brake
>casing liner flared with a cigarette lighter by pushing the
>hot tube over a section of brake wire in a vise. I haven't
>done that but have done similar projects with that material.
>OTOH noodles are dirt cheap and available everywhere.
Are you sure the noodle liner is PTFE (Teflon)? I see some problems.
>It's a PTFE tube with a flared top (so it won't fall though
>the noodle. Could be fabricated from a section of brake
>casing liner flared with a cigarette lighter by pushing the
>hot tube over a section of brake wire in a vise. I haven't
>done that but have done similar projects with that material.
>OTOH noodles are dirt cheap and available everywhere.
1. Teflon will cold flow under pressure. In this case, locking the
brake levers to park the bicycle might create enough presure to deform
the surface of a Teflon noodle liner.
2. Telfon belches toxic fumes above 500F (260C). Using an open flame
to create an end flare might exceed this temperature.
3. As I understand it, Shimano uses thin plastic liners and packs
them with grease at the factory. I'm not sure a liner is even
necessary if the cable is sufficiently greased.
AMuzi
May 19, 2016, 8:31:23 AM5/19/16
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On 5/18/2016 5:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2016 06:57:19 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> It's a PTFE tube with a flared top (so it won't fall though
>> the noodle. Could be fabricated from a section of brake
>> casing liner flared with a cigarette lighter by pushing the
>> hot tube over a section of brake wire in a vise. I haven't
>> done that but have done similar projects with that material.
>> OTOH noodles are dirt cheap and available everywhere.
>
> Are you sure the noodle liner is PTFE (Teflon)? I see some problems.
> 1. Teflon will cold flow under pressure. In this case, locking the
> brake levers to park the bicycle might create enough presure to deform
> the surface of a Teflon noodle liner.
> 2. Telfon belches toxic fumes above 500F (260C). Using an open flame
> to create an end flare might exceed this temperature.
> 3. As I understand it, Shimano uses thin plastic liners and packs
> them with grease at the factory. I'm not sure a liner is even
> necessary if the cable is sufficiently greased.
>
I'm not sure, actually.
> On Tue, 17 May 2016 06:57:19 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> It's a PTFE tube with a flared top (so it won't fall though
>> the noodle. Could be fabricated from a section of brake
>> casing liner flared with a cigarette lighter by pushing the
>> hot tube over a section of brake wire in a vise. I haven't
>> done that but have done similar projects with that material.
>> OTOH noodles are dirt cheap and available everywhere.
>
> Are you sure the noodle liner is PTFE (Teflon)? I see some problems.
> 1. Teflon will cold flow under pressure. In this case, locking the
> brake levers to park the bicycle might create enough presure to deform
> the surface of a Teflon noodle liner.
> 2. Telfon belches toxic fumes above 500F (260C). Using an open flame
> to create an end flare might exceed this temperature.
> 3. As I understand it, Shimano uses thin plastic liners and packs
> them with grease at the factory. I'm not sure a liner is even
> necessary if the cable is sufficiently greased.
>
The industry generally describes casing as 'Teflon lined'
but I have been advised recently by experts that the liner
material is not actually Teflon.
Emanuel Berg
May 19, 2016, 9:02:40 AM5/19/16
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AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> writes:
> I'm not sure, actually.
>
> The industry generally describes casing as
> 'Teflon lined' but I have been advised
> recently by experts that the liner material
> is not actually Teflon.
Is there a magazine for mechanics and
> I'm not sure, actually.
>
> The industry generally describes casing as
> 'Teflon lined' but I have been advised
> recently by experts that the liner material
> is not actually Teflon.
technology at the level of repairing stuff that
people use? Not necessarily just bikes tho
I wouldn't turn down a bike-only magazine for
sure. Those I've seen are about the sport side
or the "cool" gadget side, like recent trends
in stuff you don't use anyway...
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jbeattie
May 19, 2016, 9:59:47 AM5/19/16
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-- Saul Goodman.
Jeff Liebermann
May 19, 2016, 11:31:48 AM5/19/16
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On Thu, 19 May 2016 06:59:45 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
<jbeat...@msn.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 5:31:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/18/2016 5:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> > Are you sure the noodle liner is PTFE (Teflon)?
<jbeat...@msn.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 5:31:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/18/2016 5:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> > Are you sure the noodle liner is PTFE (Teflon)?
>> I'm not sure, actually.
>>
>> The industry generally describes casing as 'Teflon lined'
>> but I have been advised recently by experts that the liner
>> material is not actually Teflon.
>
>Uh oh, time for a class action by all the deceived purchasers
>of purported Teflon-casing cable housing. BIG CABLE HOUSING
>is going to get its comeuppance! Call now for a free consultation.
I purchased on BongGood, what was advertised as a noodle liner.
>>
>> The industry generally describes casing as 'Teflon lined'
>> but I have been advised recently by experts that the liner
>> material is not actually Teflon.
>
>Uh oh, time for a class action by all the deceived purchasers
>of purported Teflon-casing cable housing. BIG CABLE HOUSING
>is going to get its comeuppance! Call now for a free consultation.
Instead, I received one of these:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=pool+noodle&source=lnms&tbm=isch>
Not only was it not genuine DuPont Teflon(tm), but it also would not
fit my V-brake. When I complained to Shimano, they were gracious
enough to direct me to a LBS, which sold me what allegedly was a
genuine Teflon(tm) noodle liner. However, when I connected the noodle
to my medical marijuana bong, I was soon exhibiting all the symptoms
of Teflon(tm) flu:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_fume_fever>
Obviously, the Teflon(tm) noodle liner was not providing the claimed
smooth and low friction action. As a person of normal intelligence
(when not stoned), I have a reasonable expectation of safety and
performance from my noodles and therefore believe that I have been
deceived by whichever manufacturer has the deepest pockets. This
should be sufficient grounds for emptying those pockets. While I
expect the legal team to consume 99% of the negotiated settlement, I
sincerely hope that the remaining award is sufficient to pay for my
next fix.
>-- Saul Goodman.
I see that you have switched to the dark side:
<http://www.amc.com/shows/breaking-bad/cast-crew/saul-goodman>
Ian Field
May 19, 2016, 1:23:45 PM5/19/16
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"Jeff Liebermann" <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 May 2016 06:57:19 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>It's a PTFE tube with a flared top (so it won't fall though
>>the noodle. Could be fabricated from a section of brake
>>casing liner flared with a cigarette lighter by pushing the
>>hot tube over a section of brake wire in a vise. I haven't
>>done that but have done similar projects with that material.
>>OTOH noodles are dirt cheap and available everywhere.
>
> Are you sure the noodle liner is PTFE (Teflon)? I see some problems.
> 1. Teflon will cold flow under pressure. In this case, locking the
> brake levers to park the bicycle might create enough presure to deform
> the surface of a Teflon noodle liner.
> 2. Telfon belches toxic fumes above 500F (260C). Using an open flame
> to create an end flare might exceed this temperature.
The main decomposition product is hydrogen fluoride, AKA: hydro fluoric
>
>>It's a PTFE tube with a flared top (so it won't fall though
>>the noodle. Could be fabricated from a section of brake
>>casing liner flared with a cigarette lighter by pushing the
>>hot tube over a section of brake wire in a vise. I haven't
>>done that but have done similar projects with that material.
>>OTOH noodles are dirt cheap and available everywhere.
>
> Are you sure the noodle liner is PTFE (Teflon)? I see some problems.
> 1. Teflon will cold flow under pressure. In this case, locking the
> brake levers to park the bicycle might create enough presure to deform
> the surface of a Teflon noodle liner.
> 2. Telfon belches toxic fumes above 500F (260C). Using an open flame
> to create an end flare might exceed this temperature.
acid - it etches glass and is what they use to frost the inside of light
bulbs.
It also etches flesh - if it gets under your fingernails; you'll really know
about it.
The moldable temperature range is extremely narrow - it goes from merely hot
PTFE to nasty decomposition products much quicker than you can control
holding a lighter under it.
Whoever suggested it shouldn't be allowed out on their own!
John B.
May 19, 2016, 9:10:11 PM5/19/16
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On Thu, 19 May 2016 15:02:34 +0200, Emanuel Berg
<embe...@student.uu.se> wrote:
>AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>
>> I'm not sure, actually.
>>
>> The industry generally describes casing as
>> 'Teflon lined' but I have been advised
>> recently by experts that the liner material
>> is not actually Teflon.
>
>Is there a magazine for mechanics and
>technology at the level of repairing stuff that
>people use? Not necessarily just bikes tho
>I wouldn't turn down a bike-only magazine for
>sure. Those I've seen are about the sport side
>or the "cool" gadget side, like recent trends
>in stuff you don't use anyway...
I don't believe that there are magazines devoted solely to repairing
<embe...@student.uu.se> wrote:
>AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>
>> I'm not sure, actually.
>>
>> The industry generally describes casing as
>> 'Teflon lined' but I have been advised
>> recently by experts that the liner material
>> is not actually Teflon.
>
>Is there a magazine for mechanics and
>technology at the level of repairing stuff that
>people use? Not necessarily just bikes tho
>I wouldn't turn down a bike-only magazine for
>sure. Those I've seen are about the sport side
>or the "cool" gadget side, like recent trends
>in stuff you don't use anyway...
bicycles but googling on "how to repair bicycles" gets some 2 million
hits.
You might also look at the "Park Tool" site as they seem to sell
practically every known bicycle tool as well as listing more than 100
"repair help articles".
--
cheers,
John B.
John B.
May 19, 2016, 9:28:48 PM5/19/16
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who was a professor of chemistry at the state university who warned
everyone in the family about the dangers of cooking with Teflon.
After some time he re-canted as it turned out that unless Teflon is
heated to 250 degrees (C), 480 degrees (F) no significant amount of
gas is produced.
It might be interesting to know that something like 50% of all the
PTFE made is used in electrical wiring. Largely in aero-space and
computer equipment.
So when you fly, or use the computer .....
--
cheers,
John B.
Emanuel Berg
May 19, 2016, 10:40:51 PM5/19/16
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John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz> writes:
> I don't believe that there are magazines
> devoted solely to repairing bicycles but
> googling on "how to repair bicycles" gets
> some 2 million hits.
Yeah, the Internet is great to find specific
> I don't believe that there are magazines
> devoted solely to repairing bicycles but
> googling on "how to repair bicycles" gets
> some 2 million hits.
information, it is less so for low-intense
learning with is also more pleasant because it
is more relaxed. The "hunt" is over when you
get the magazine (or the book), after that it
is instead interesting to see, what information
is there - also, it is good for terminology and
to experience being part of a culture.
Just like people who do boxing or karate read
The Ring and Black Belt, or a "moderate"
outdoorsman reading books on K2, this might not
directly translate to new skills but if nothing
else it will fuel their enthusiasm for what
they themselves are doing...
I have one book in Swedish and one in Dutch.
I don't speak Dutch but there are tons of
illustrations so it is still useful.
@book{cykelbok,
author = {Staffan Skott},
ISBN = {91-550-3942-1},
publisher = {Tiden},
title = {Cykelbok},
year = 1994
}
@book{praktisch-fietsboek,
author = {Rob van der Plas},
ISBN = {90 274 9848 2},
publisher = {Spectrum},
title = {Praktisch Fietsboek},
year = 1984
jbeattie
May 20, 2016, 10:19:39 AM5/20/16
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On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 7:40:51 PM UTC-7, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz> writes:
>
> > I don't believe that there are magazines
> > devoted solely to repairing bicycles but
> > googling on "how to repair bicycles" gets
> > some 2 million hits.
>
> Yeah, the Internet is great to find specific
> information, it is less so for low-intense
> learning with is also more pleasant because it
> is more relaxed. The "hunt" is over when you
> get the magazine (or the book), after that it
> is instead interesting to see, what information
> is there - also, it is good for terminology and
> to experience being part of a culture.
>
> Just like people who do boxing or karate read
> The Ring and Black Belt, or a "moderate"
> outdoorsman reading books on K2, this might not
> directly translate to new skills but if nothing
> else it will fuel their enthusiasm for what
> they themselves are doing...
>
> I have one book in Swedish and one in Dutch.
> I don't speak Dutch but there are tons of
> illustrations so it is still useful.
Well, books and magazines are different things. There are plenty of bike repair books still in print. I was having a senior moment last week and even whipped out the Bicycle Wheel to look up a lacing pattern. I have a first edition with the pages falling out of it. I have a bunch of old greasy bike repair books that haven't been opened in decades.
> John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz> writes:
>
> > I don't believe that there are magazines
> > devoted solely to repairing bicycles but
> > googling on "how to repair bicycles" gets
> > some 2 million hits.
>
> Yeah, the Internet is great to find specific
> information, it is less so for low-intense
> learning with is also more pleasant because it
> is more relaxed. The "hunt" is over when you
> get the magazine (or the book), after that it
> is instead interesting to see, what information
> is there - also, it is good for terminology and
> to experience being part of a culture.
>
> Just like people who do boxing or karate read
> The Ring and Black Belt, or a "moderate"
> outdoorsman reading books on K2, this might not
> directly translate to new skills but if nothing
> else it will fuel their enthusiasm for what
> they themselves are doing...
>
> I have one book in Swedish and one in Dutch.
> I don't speak Dutch but there are tons of
> illustrations so it is still useful.
Speaking of senior moments -- even when I wasn't a senior, I would forget my BB cup thread directions, particularly when I had a mix of French, Italian and English BBs. I always leafed through the same greasy, ancient English repair book. Try doing that with your computer.
Now I have all English BBs (or BB30), but even if I forgot the thread direction, all I do is look at the cups. They have arrows and torque ranges. Bike repair has become plug and play. If I were truly modern, I would just yell at my phone and ask it which direction I needed to screw the cup.
And BTW, the repair magazines are just periodic columns in Bicycling or Velo News. I don't think BRAIN has a repair section.
-- Jay Beattie.
Frank Krygowski
May 20, 2016, 11:28:00 AM5/20/16
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On 5/20/2016 10:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
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>
> Well, books and magazines are different things. There are plenty of bike repair books still in print. I was having a senior moment last week and even whipped out the Bicycle Wheel to look up a lacing pattern. I have a first edition with the pages falling out of it. I have a bunch of old greasy bike repair books that haven't been opened in decades.
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> Speaking of senior moments -- even when I wasn't a senior, I would forget my BB cup thread directions, particularly when I had a mix of French, Italian and English BBs. I always leafed through the same greasy, ancient English repair book. Try doing that with your computer.
One thing I love about books (vs. computers) is one can write notes in
>
>
> Well, books and magazines are different things. There are plenty of bike repair books still in print. I was having a senior moment last week and even whipped out the Bicycle Wheel to look up a lacing pattern. I have a first edition with the pages falling out of it. I have a bunch of old greasy bike repair books that haven't been opened in decades.
>
> Speaking of senior moments -- even when I wasn't a senior, I would forget my BB cup thread directions, particularly when I had a mix of French, Italian and English BBs. I always leafed through the same greasy, ancient English repair book. Try doing that with your computer.
the margins, inside the back cover, etc. If I were forgetting BB
directions, I'd put a little note in there to remind me.
Related: Since I started driving (whoa - about 50 years ago!) I always
kept a little notebook in each car where I logged in my maintenance -
i.e. date and mileage when I changed oil & filter, adjusted valves,
whatever.
Inside the front cover of the notebook, I'd write things like oil filter
number, oil type and capacity, wiper blade size, and whatever else I'd
need to know frequently.
It took me decades to realize I should keep a notebook for bikes, too,
although I'm a bit less diligent about it. Inside the cover of that
notebook I've got the instructions for calibrating the various
cyclometers on our collection of bikes - one of the few (to me)
non-obvious things about maintaining bikes.
But if I had a weird collection of bottom brackets, that's where the
"counterclockwise" (or whatever) note would go.
--
- Frank Krygowski
jbeattie
May 20, 2016, 11:57:34 AM5/20/16
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-- Jay Beattie.
Ian Field
May 20, 2016, 4:41:50 PM5/20/16
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Emanuel Berg
May 20, 2016, 7:21:48 PM5/20/16
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jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
> Well, books and magazines are different
> things. There are plenty of bike repair books
> still in print.
In the Anglo-American world there are always
> Well, books and magazines are different
> things. There are plenty of bike repair books
> still in print.
books about anything in print, thank God!
But like I said, here the most recent book is
from 1994. Before that, there should have been
a dozen or so books devoted to repairing bikes.
None of those are in print.
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John B.
May 20, 2016, 8:59:27 PM5/20/16
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about "books" (there is a difference).
Google on "+Bicycle+Maintenance+Books+download" and you get some
507,000 hits. I downloaded the first on the list (a pdf) and had a
look at it. Perhaps not the greatest but it did include instructions
on building wheels and called attention to the difference between
front and rear wheels. Certainly not the worst I've read.
--
cheers,
John B.
Emanuel Berg
May 20, 2016, 11:07:34 PM5/20/16
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John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz> writes:
> Wait now. In your original post you said
> "magazine" and now you talk about "books"
> (there is a difference).
I'd place a book somewhere between a magazine
> Wait now. In your original post you said
> "magazine" and now you talk about "books"
> (there is a difference).
and the Internet on the relaxed-focused scale.
However I do know how to get books from the
English-speaking world. But feel free to
recommend titles you are especially fond of,
of course.
--
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Emacs Gnus Blogomatic ......... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/blogomatic
John B.
May 21, 2016, 7:09:21 AM5/21/16
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On Sat, 21 May 2016 05:07:32 +0200, Emanuel Berg
<embe...@student.uu.se> wrote:
>John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz> writes:
>
>> Wait now. In your original post you said
>> "magazine" and now you talk about "books"
>> (there is a difference).
>
>I'd place a book somewhere between a magazine
>and the Internet on the relaxed-focused scale.
>
>However I do know how to get books from the
>English-speaking world. But feel free to
>recommend titles you are especially fond of,
>of course.
book ~ noun
<embe...@student.uu.se> wrote:
>John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz> writes:
>
>> Wait now. In your original post you said
>> "magazine" and now you talk about "books"
>> (there is a difference).
>
>I'd place a book somewhere between a magazine
>and the Internet on the relaxed-focused scale.
>
>However I do know how to get books from the
>English-speaking world. But feel free to
>recommend titles you are especially fond of,
>of course.
1. a written work or composition that has been published (printed on
pages bound together.
magazine ~ noun
1. a periodic publication containing pictures and stories and
articles of interest to those who purchase it or subscribe to it.
:-)
--
cheers,
John B.
AMuzi
May 21, 2016, 8:04:24 AM5/21/16
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On 5/20/2016 6:21 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
>
>> Well, books and magazines are different
>> things. There are plenty of bike repair books
>> still in print.
>
> In the Anglo-American world there are always
> books about anything in print, thank God!
>
> But like I said, here the most recent book is
> from 1994. Before that, there should have been
> a dozen or so books devoted to repairing bikes.
>
> None of those are in print.
>
current titles:
> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
>
>> Well, books and magazines are different
>> things. There are plenty of bike repair books
>> still in print.
>
> In the Anglo-American world there are always
> books about anything in print, thank God!
>
> But like I said, here the most recent book is
> from 1994. Before that, there should have been
> a dozen or so books devoted to repairing bikes.
>
> None of those are in print.
>
http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?keyword=zinn+bicycle&mtype=B&hs.x=0&hs.y=0
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