Another "I told you so"?

[Tom Kunich]

Here is a published paper in a well known peer reviewed journal: http//mdpi.com/1467-3045/44

The upshot of this paper is that your Pfizer vaccine is probably over time going to kill you. It is probable that the other mRNA vaccines will show the same traits.

Remember when I said that Liebermann would most like have a reoccurrence of cancer due to his vaccinations? This study offers the same opinion.

Now the body is remarkably adaptive and hopefully other mechanisms will probably kick in for most people but your liver started making the SARS-Cov-2 spike protein within 6 hours of vaccination and THAT spike protein is a poison. More importantly, the mechanism that causes cell replication was locked on and Liebermann knows by experience what that means,

As an RNA it was a short term and temporary source of that protein and was meant only to cause an immune response to anything that carried that protein - the SARS-Cov-2 virus. But with your liver now constantly manufacturing this spike protein you are slowly poisoning yourself. Or perhaps worse yet - causing your immune system to work to failure which is what HIV does.

But perhaps you would prefer the postings of Krygowski, Liebermann and Flunky that I don't know what I'm talking about and my recommendation not to be vaccinated was crazy.

[Tom Kunich]

In case I got the URL wrong the study is in Current Issues in Microbiology Volume 44 "Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer Covid-19 mRNA Vaccine In Vitro in Human Liver Cells"

[Tom Kunich]

I should add that there are minor differences in the cell lines used and others. It is possible that other people will not react the same but the particular cell line used is used for most of Human Cell In Vitro testing.

[Lou Holtman]

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:45:47 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Here is a published paper in a well known peer reviewed journal: http//mdpi.com/1467-3045/44
>
> The upshot of this paper is that your Pfizer vaccine is probably over time going to kill you.

Well that would solve the climate change issue.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

Not to mention Biden's overspending and letting 4 million illegal aliens into the country despite US law saying that he isn't allowed to do that.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/24/2023 10:45 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Here is a published paper in a well known peer reviewed journal: http//mdpi.com/1467-3045/44
>
> The upshot of this paper is that your Pfizer vaccine is probably over time going to kill you.

Who was that guy who claimed he was going to stop posting except
regarding bicycling topics?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

Hmm. What's the bicycling relevance?

Tom, you keep breaking your promise.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Andre Jute]

Or not, as the case may be. If, after some billions of people die, the weather is still unpredictable in the year 2123, will historians then admit that "global warming" was an hysterical falsehood? -- AJ

[Andre Jute]

Two Kreepy Krygowski messages without a single word about the article Tom posted. Surely the health of people, including cyclists, is of the essence on a cycling conference. Or hasn't Krygowski heard yet that many people cycle for their health? Just asking. -- AJ
>

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 11:09:54 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/986D_mm3Twk/m/NTbOFqXWAQAJ
>
> This Group would be a far better place without the Stupid five..
> The cite would return to information MOSTLY but not entirely about bicycles as it was when Jobst moderated it.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:00:31 PM UTC-5, the anrgy little afro-irish troll sharted:

>
> >
> Two Kreepy Krygowski messages without a single word about the article Tom posted. Surely the health of people, including cyclists, is of the essence on a cycling conference. Or hasn't Krygowski heard yet that many people cycle for their health? Just asking. -- AJ
> >

Several doze messages this month including a few new discussions with nary a mention of any cycling related issues from our resident afro-irish troll.

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 11:09:54 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/986D_mm3Twk/m/NTbOFqXWAQAJ
>
> This Group would be a far better place without the Stupid five..
> The cite would return to information MOSTLY but not entirely about bicycles as it was when Jobst moderated it.

I guess this makes tommy's favorite little stroke buddy one of the stupid five.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 07:45:45 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Here is a published paper in a well known peer reviewed journal: http//mdpi.com/1467-3045/44

You forgot the colon. This should work better:
<http://mdpi.com/1467-3045/44>
Unfortunately, I couldn't find the article. The "current issue"
indicated on that page is Vol 45 Issue 1. Let me know when you find
the article and a link that works.

>Remember when I said that Liebermann would most like have a reoccurrence of cancer due to his vaccinations?

That has already happened.

The test for prostate cancer is a blood test for PSA (prostate
specific antigen). I check it regularly.
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/PSA-recent.jpg>

I had my cancerous prostate removed in Aug 2007 which reduced my PSA
to zero (because I didn't have the prostate needed to produce PSA). In
2017, my PSA increased to measurable levels, which was an indication
that I still had some prostate cells growing somewhere. However, 2017
was well before my first vaccination in Apr 2021. Unless cause and
effect have magically reversed themselves, it is unlikely that the
increase in PSA was caused by a Covid-19 vaccination. The growing
cancer cells are likely to eventually cause problems, but at the
current slow rate of growth, that will be many years into the future.
Meanwhile, I have other problems that are more likely to kill me
before metastatic prostate cancer.


05/15/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/FDSwyPDM9kU/m/rrohLx7XAAAJ>
"So I apologize ahead of time because then it is brought to my
attention the bullshit that these people are chanting, I will tell
them exactly what I think of them. But I will try to keep the subject
on bicycles.tech."

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Tom Kunich]

Well, look at it this way - Frank, Flunky and Liebermann are not long for this world and they got vaccinated purely because I said that they shouldn't. Now most of the things I said have turned out to be true and they are stuck with their decisions.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Sure sparky, we got vaccinated because you said not to....Trust me, we don't think nearly enough of your opinions to make any decisions based on them.

> Now most of the things I said have turned out to be true and they are stuck with their decisions.

Very little of anything you post has turned out to be true.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/24/2023 5:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>>>
> Well, look at it this way - Frank, Flunky and Liebermann are not long for this world and they got vaccinated purely because I said that they shouldn't.

Ha!

OK, I'll admit that based on years of reading Tom's posts, I assume
anything he says is mistaken.

But that's not "purely" why I got vaccinated. I read up on it, talked to
my doctor, and talked to a PhD virologist who's a good friend of mine.
Since then, I've gotten to be closer friends with a married couple, both
biologists who have thought about this much more deeply than I can.

Needless to say, none of those professionals agreed with Tom.

> Now most of the things I said have turned out to be true and they are stuck with their decisions.

What things? My wife and I have still avoided COVID. We're extremely
healthy. Your count of COVID deaths is still regarded as absolute
nonsense by anyone with the ability to read. Tom is still batting
roughly zero on his predictions.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 14:15:06 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>...they got vaccinated purely because I said that they shouldn't.

Tom: When Covid first arrived, the initial problem was that there was
too much information, too many opinions, and too much guesswork. I
read everything I could find, including your rubbish, in an attempt to
make some sense of the situation and to provide some general guidance.
I was also trying to be helpful by passing along any information that
I thought might be useful. I soon became overloaded and stopped
taking in any new "information" no matter what the source.

After some consideration, I decided that nobody knew how the virus
worked, nobody had a successful strategy for avoiding infection, and
most of the internet experts and luminaries were simply guessing[1].
So, rather than judge the papers, advice and proclamations based on
their content, I switched to judging them by the source. First to go
into the circular file were the amazing fact provided by politically
motivated sources, yours among them. Next were sources that were
financially motivated, such as anyone selling a cure. Next was any
organization that was directly influence by political or financial
pressure, such as the Trump era CDC. Anything that used VAERS data
was summarily ignored. What was left was university funded research,
Biden era CDC reports and government studies that used fairly large
populations, reasonable procedures, and sane calculations.

If you believe that I did anything because of what you advocated or
advise, please note that I've been consistently ignoring your advice
since I determined that it was politically motivated, difficult to
trace to its source, came from dubious "experts", and usually
contradicted the consensus. I was vaccinated as soon as possible
because vaccination looked like the best alternative for staying alive
compared to all the other recommendations (including yours).

>Now most of the things I said have turned out to be true and they are stuck with their decisions.

08/03/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/cJi96AJ2A3k/m/JEyDC0TDBgAJ>
"I'll bet that there wasn't anything I didn't do wrong"


[1] Remember the official recommendations that supermarket and store
aisles had to marked one way traffic only? That was both wrong and
stupid, but it took several months for it to be quietly eliminated.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 1:57:22 AM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> [1] Remember the official recommendations that supermarket and store
> aisles had to marked one way traffic only? That was both wrong and
> stupid, but it took several months for it to be quietly eliminated.
> --
>

I found it much easier to shop when the one-way rules were in place. It had nothing to do with any pandemic recommendations, it was just vastly more organized. (yes I can hear the whining from the RBT three stooges now : 'you're just a disgusting liberal commie pinko fag wanting to impose your rules on everyone!')

[Andre Jute]

You don't have to be a fag to be a commie or, in your case since you don't have the courage of your convictions, a pinko commie fellow traveller. But we don't object to your politics, which are dead anyway; it's just that we aren't keen on associating with ugly people.
>
PS. You're not a liberal. I'm a liberal of such impeccable provenance that I don't even object when people call me a libertarian. You have nothing whatsoever in common with me. What you are is a leftwing pimple on the body politic, and a hypocrite besides. How many homeless people have you, a self-declared socialist, taken into your bragged-about hughyuge house?
>
Hypocrites abounding on dear old RBT.
>

[Lou Holtman]

What I see now in the supermarkets and other stores here is a much civilized behavior at least when I do my shopping. Keeping some distance, waiting for another customer to have made their choice etc. I don’t know how long it last. Sometimes I long for the empty and quiet roads during the lock down(s). Now it is all back to traffic jams and f*cked up and stressed drivers and cyclist(groups) again. Fortunately I can ride my bike and shop when it is quiet.

Lou

[AMuzi]

I'm happy that you're happy.

Never saw that myself in the two groceries I use regularly.
Like masks, it seems an urban phenomenon.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Catrike Rider]

One of the grocery stores I use did that. Not many paid any attention
to the stupid little makers. They were soon gone.

[Tom Kunich]

lou, that is because you don't have people like Krygowski, Flunky, Liebermann and Scharf dueling to be top dog. I actually designed and programmed Chromatographs so am more tan just familiar with the wavelengths of light and what they do. Why would any one of these mental cripples make ANY contrary statements about mu comments about Climate Change when I SHOW the charts and there are 1,200 climate scientists that agree with my position? This is something that is unique to this group. A man with a EE degree that could never find a job and lived as a technician, a man that claimed that he waws a college professor of mechanical engineering while his college listed him as teaching industrial engineering w3hich is NOT the same thing, and someone that has claimed several times that he waws a manager of electronics engineering but has never for one second been away from this group and will respond literally within seconds. A man that calls me a liar when my resume is posted and I could never get another job if I lied at all on it.

This would not happen at your local supermarket because people like these three are exceedingly rare since if they said in person whyat they are willing to say from a far distance people would laugh in their faces.

Tell me, are you concerned that you were forced to take a vaccine that if your body doesn't have the ability to mitigate will at the very least considerably shorten your lifespan?+ Does it bother you that the false claim of climate change is literally stealing money out of your pocket? Are you concerned that the wild eyed spending of the Biden administration is causing super-inflation and again stealing money out of your pockets? That this haws already caused a recession that could deepen into a depression lasting a decade?

Why do you suppose that Krygowski and Flunky don't want you to know about this? Surely it is talked about in your local supermarket checkout line.

[Tom Kunich]

Liebermann finds it faster which he likes because he has a pee bag attached to his leg from his cancer surgery. Flunky likes it because it is inconvenient for others.

[Catrike Rider]

There were, of course, self-important "Karen" types (male and female)
trying to enforce the little direction arrows. I just ignored them.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/25/2023 8:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/25/2023 3:47 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 1:57:22 AM UTC-5,
>>

>> I found it much easier to shop when the one-way rules were in place.
>> It had nothing to do with any pandemic recommendations, it was just
>> vastly more organized. (yes I can hear the whining from the RBT three
>> stooges now : 'you're just a disgusting liberal commie pinko fag
>> wanting to impose your rules on everyone!')
>>
>
> I'm happy that you're happy.
>
> Never saw that myself in the two groceries I use regularly. Like masks,
> it seems an urban phenomenon.

We had one way aisles for a while. We also had grocery staff frequently
disinfecting hundreds of surfaces. In the beginning, there was a lot of
uncertainty and a lot of moves made in "an abundance of caution," as
they say. As data kept coming in, it became reasonable to change
recommendations.

Our upper middle class grocery had almost all shoppers in masks. A
nearby smokes and beer shop had almost no shoppers in masks. I chose to
avoid the place.

And as mentioned, we've avoided COVID entirely. So has my virologist
friend and my various biologist friends. The people with the most
science education seem to have been the most cautious, and the least
infected.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/25/2023 5:41 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> Sometimes I long for the empty and quiet roads during the lock down(s).

We had some lovely, interesting rides, using some routes that are
normally thick with noisy traffic. The empty roads were glorious.

Also, we twice got to explore the cart tracks on a local golf course,
since nobody was using it. It was interesting to see scenery I'd never
otherwise view. (Golf was best described as "A good walk spoiled.")

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 11:32:38 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/25/2023 5:41 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> Sometimes I long for the empty and quiet roads during the lock down(s).
>
>We had some lovely, interesting rides, using some routes that are
>normally thick with noisy traffic. The empty roads were glorious.
>
>Also, we twice got to explore the cart tracks on a local golf course,
>since nobody was using it.

Really? People thought they were in danger out in fresh air on golf
courses? I did see a few laughable loons out on the bike trail wearing
masks.

> It was interesting to see scenery I'd never
>otherwise view. (Golf was best described as "A good walk spoiled.")

There were damned few "lockdowns" around here. A few counties had some
mask requirements for inside businesses for a month or so. I never
wore a mask outdoors. Very few did and I suspect the golf courses
around here got more use.

[Lou Holtman]

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:28:08 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:

>
> And as mentioned, we've avoided COVID entirely. So has my virologist
> friend and my various biologist friends. The people with the most
> science education seem to have been the most cautious, and the least
> infected.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

I haven't been sick for the last 3 years. Niets, nichts, nada, nothing, rien. Not even a running nose or a headache, not even from the vaccinations. Only tired sometimes after a hard ride.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

Frank's idea of careful is wearing a paper mask. The last cold seasons probably were the SARS virus cold viruses and you were protected by having had covid-19 already which was giving you immunity to those viruses which cause some 20% of colds. Remember that 70-80% of the covid-19 cases were symptomless. So you could have had covid-19 or already been immune to it from having had a recent (within a year) cold caused by a SARS virus.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 01:47:44 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 1:57:22 AM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> [1] Remember the official recommendations that supermarket and store
>> aisles had to marked one way traffic only? That was both wrong and
>> stupid, but it took several months for it to be quietly eliminated.

>I found it much easier to shop when the one-way rules were in place.
>It had nothing to do with any pandemic recommendations, it was just
>vastly more organized.

I had quite the opposite experience. Safeway market is known for its
expertise in merchandising. Despite getting repeatedly busted by the
fire marshal for obstructing the aisles with piles of merchandise,
Safeway continued it's practice of turning the aisles into obstacle
courses so that shoppers would spend more time inspecting the
merchandise. With the one way aisles, they saw the opportunity to
interpret the new guidelines as one lane. The result was even more
merchandise piled into the aisles. That made passing another shopping
cart difficult or impossible. It also created bottlenecks if anyone
stopped to inspect the merchandise. Restocking the shelves was a bad
joke because employees had to block the aisles with pallets of
merchandise, and move the boxes piecemeal down the narrowed aisles.
The practice continues to this day, but to a lesser degree, with fewer
piles of merchandise strategically located where navigating the aisles
now requires a serpentine path. Fortunately, there are now passing
lanes available to allow two way shopping cart traffic.

With all the Covid research available online, one would think that
every possible aspect of Covid and virus transmission had been
thoroughly investigated and duly published. It's difficult finding
something that hasn't been beaten to death in the press. I found one
at about the same time that the one way aisles were contrived.

It seems that the rate of virus transmission is proportional to the
concentration of airborne virus particles. The human body is capable
of disposing of small quantities of just about anything, but is easily
overwhelmed by various viruses. Therefore, the obvious defensive
strategy is to reduce virus concentration and exposure times. Masks
reduce concentration somewhat. Increasing the rate of air exchange
works better. Therefore, small closed rooms with lousy air
circulation should be avoided. Now, imagine what would happen if the
CDC advised people to avoid small rooms without hurricane force HVAC
systems. Is the CDC recommending that we only shop in large and
spacious supermarkets and avoid the smaller stores? Outdoor markets
would be revived (as outdoor restaurant seating was revived). There
was a half-hearted attempt to reduce exposure by lowering occupancy
limits, but that just hid the underlying problem.

If you want to go a step further, it seems that the virus likes to
hitch a ride on water droplets and aerosols. Reduce the water in the
air, and the airborne virus density is also reduced. So,
dehumidifiers and electrostatic filters should have been effective.
However, without research into the relationship between virus density
and virus transmission, it couldn't be justified. So, nothing was
done.

I suppose that my 20-20 hindsight could be interpreted as "I told you
so". Or, it might make a good conspiracy theory where the CDC
suppressed potentially useful research. Plenty of other
possibilities. In mid and late 2020, nobody understood anything,
everyone was guessing, and insanity prevailed. That's the nature of
how such things work. In the future, when pandemics become endemic
and the internet has grown sufficiently so that the concentration of
misinformation far exceeds the ability of individuals to judge
prophylactic solutions, we can safely look back at mid and late 2020
and repeat the mistakes without a second thought.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 2:41:48 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:47:46 AM UTC+1, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 1:57:22 AM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] Remember the official recommendations that supermarket and store
> > > > aisles had to marked one way traffic only? That was both wrong and
> > > > stupid, but it took several months for it to be quietly eliminated.
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > I found it much easier to shop when the one-way rules were in place. It had nothing to do with any pandemic recommendations, it was just vastly more organized. (yes I can hear the whining from the RBT three stooges now : 'you're just a disgusting liberal commie pinko fag wanting to impose your rules on everyone!')
> > What I see now in the supermarkets and other stores here is a much civilized behavior at least when I do my shopping. Keeping some distance, waiting for another customer to have made their choice etc. I don’t know how long it last. Sometimes I long for the empty and quiet roads during the lock down(s). Now it is all back to traffic jams and f*cked up and stressed drivers and cyclist(groups) again. Fortunately I can ride my bike and shop when it is quiet.
> >
> > Lou
> lou, that is because you don't have people like Krygowski, Flunky, Liebermann and Scharf dueling to be top dog.

Lou isn't anywhere near as stupid as you think he is tom. He sin't buying your bullshit.

> I actually designed and programmed Chromatographs

No, you didn't. You may have loaded a program into a chromatograph, and you may have built a prototype, but none of that even comes close to "designed and programmed". You got confused by 20 lines of java script written by a highschool kid for his home made Raspberry Pi bike computer project, and you have some delusion that PWM is used to test cables. You were an engineering tech who kept getting fired, likely for being an asshole.

> so am more tan just familiar with the wavelengths of light and what they do.

Most of us learned about refraction indexes in the 6th grade.

> Why would any one of these mental cripples make ANY contrary statements about mu comments about Climate Change when I SHOW the charts and there are 1,200 climate scientists that agree with my position?

Because you're wrong, and so are they - not to mention most of those 1200 turned out to _not_ be scientists, and many were outright frauds.

> This is something that is unique to this group. A man with a EE degree that could never find a job and lived as a technician, a man that claimed that he waws a college professor of mechanical engineering while his college listed him as teaching industrial engineering w3hich is NOT the same thing, and someone that has claimed several times that he waws a manager of electronics engineering

Who would that be? I never claimed anything of the sort.

> but has never for one second been away from this group and will respond literally within seconds.

hmmm...This was posted at 10:46 UTC-5, it is now 15:00 UTC-5. I guess one _could_ say 15,300 seconds is 'literally within seconds'.....

> A man that calls me a liar when my resume is posted and I could never get another job if I lied at all on it.

Which is exactly why few of your jobs ever lasted more than a year - you were found out to be an arrogant and incompetent ass, but your manager didn't want to fire you because it would have been embarrassing.

>
> This would not happen at your local supermarket because people like these three are exceedingly rare since if they said in person whyat they are willing to say from a far distance people would laugh in their faces.

I feel the need to remind you, my positions and sentiments align with the vast majority in Massachusetts.

>
> Tell me, are you concerned that you were forced to take a vaccine that if your body doesn't have the ability to mitigate will at the very least considerably shorten your lifespan?+ Does it bother you that the false claim of climate change is literally stealing money out of your pocket? Are you concerned that the wild eyed spending of the Biden administration is causing super-inflation and again stealing money out of your pockets? That this haws already caused a recession that could deepen into a depression lasting a decade?
>
> Why do you suppose that Krygowski and Flunky don't want you to know about this? Surely it is talked about in your local supermarket checkout line.

No one is preventing anyone from seeking out information, stupid. We're simply pointing out that your full of shit

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 09:50:10 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

I just ignored most of it, except I did honor the grocery store's mask
requirement since they were just obeying the county law.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:40:23 AM UTC-5, an ignorant, arrogant, and insignificant little troll defectated:

> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 9:47:46 AM UTC, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 1:57:22 AM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Remember the official recommendations that supermarket and store
> > > aisles had to marked one way traffic only? That was both wrong and
> > > stupid, but it took several months for it to be quietly eliminated.
> > > --
> > >
> > I found it much easier to shop when the one-way rules were in place. It had nothing to do with any pandemic recommendations, it was just vastly more organized. (yes I can hear the whining from the RBT three stooges now : 'you're just a disgusting liberal commie pinko fag wanting to impose your rules on everyone!')
> >
> You don't have to be a fag to be a commie or, in your case since you don't have the courage of your convictions

Funny listening to someone living in a heavily socialized country with a heavy government commitment to both covid protocols and global warming mitigation who complains incessantly about how the pandemic and AGW are hoaxes criticizing others for the courage of their convictions. (hypocrisy swing and miss #1)

> a pinko commie fellow traveller. But we don't object to your politics, which are dead anyway;

lol....you must really have enjoyed that red whimper from the last US elections - no, wait, I forgot, Ireland is so politically to the left they make OAC and Bernie Sanders seem mainstream. You don't seem to bothered by that though, or the fact that even the BBC and the Guardian criticized the Irish Times for parroting the government line on abortion rights (hypocrisy swing and miss #2).

> it's just that we aren't keen on associating with ugly people.

You are without a doubt the ugliest mother fucker ever to pollute this forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1rwkgCAVsc

> >
> PS. You're not a liberal. I'm a liberal of such impeccable provenance that I don't even object when people call me a libertarian.

Lewis Carrol had something to say about making up your own definitions.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12608-when-i-use-a-word-humpty-dumpty-said-in-rather

> You have nothing whatsoever in common with me.

NO FUCKING SHIT, SHERLOCK! Trust me when I tell you, I'm glad of it. I even brag about it. If there fewer people in the world like you, it would be a much nicer place to live. This forum would most certainly be more tolerable.

> What you are is a leftwing pimple on the body politic, and a hypocrite besides. How many homeless people have you, a self-declared socialist,

Where did I ever declare I was a socialist? Besides since we know you at least support the liberal socialist polices of the irish government, that makes hypocritical swing and miss #3. What a surprise...andre strikes out, again.

> taken into your bragged-about hughyuge house?

awww, whatsamatter skippy, Jealous that you live in a government subsidized hovel while someone diametrically opposed to everything that you represent (see, _that_ was a proper use of the term 'diametrically') manages a successful career with a rich social and family life?

Anyway, About nine.
- We took in a family of 5 from when hurricane Irma destroyed their house. They stayed about about month until they found accommodations back home.
- Sam, a college friend of my son, who's father died, and his mother had a nervous breakdown, needed a place to stay while he finished school because he couldn't manage their house. He was with us until he finished school, about 6 months
- My daughter had friends on two separate occasions in high school both thrown out of their homes - one from an abusive father, the other was thrown out for being gay. The abuse victim stayed with us for about a year. The other for few months, found a distant relative who took her in.
- My other daughter had a friend whose single parent mother abandoned her suddenly. She was with us for most of her senior year in highschool.

Then of course there's the fact that I converted our carriage house into an in-law apartment for my parents.

I seem to remember a few shorter stays of people down on their luck, nothing long term. Wanna hear the best part, you arrogant selfish little prick? I never took one penny from any of them (though my dad insists on paying the oil bill, gotta luv him).

You see, fuckface, I walk the walk.

> >
> Hypocrites abounding on dear old RBT.

Not really, we only have two - you and tom. Oh, by the way:

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 11:09:54 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/986D_mm3Twk/m/NTbOFqXWAQAJ
>
> This Group would be a far better place without the Stupid five..
> The cite would return to information MOSTLY but not entirely about bicycles as it was when Jobst moderated it.

We won't miss you wen you're gone. I rather suspect the list of those who would is exceptionally short.