It's time to persecute bicyclists!

[AMuzi]

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-vickie-paladino-claims-nyc-bicyclists-should-be-licensed-20230213-67w2ee2aeffhrg3wrig5etjchm-story.html

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Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Kunich]

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:13:35 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:

Doesn't it make you wonder why the most incompetent and stupid people in this world are being given loud voices? Is this to make Biden look almost reasonable? Look at the postings here. Who of the Stupid 5 have ever accomplished anything in this world? And yet it looks like they are doing 80% of the posting. Now certainly they are due their own opinions and they are as welcome to comment as anyone else. But they don't even have the slightest passing idea of just how stupid most of their comments are.

Consider, I just discovered that the drug regimen that they gave patients in Great Britain to serious covid-19 cases was a combination of drugs that suppresses respiration! If they were doing this in Jolly Old, (BMS), you can bet that they were also recommended by the CDC. This means that it is likely that a substantial number of deaths were caused by the recommended treatment and very little by covid-19.

Remember that I said that the city Counsil here had approved a plan to drive up to 120 loads of dirt (this is some 10 tons per load) down Lake Chabot Rd. and dump it in a small very old quarry for up to 80 years? I sounded off loud and strong in the local newspaper. Then came the rains and JUST normal car traffic which is very sparse on that section of road broke the entire road off which slid down the hillside and now that road which they were going to drive 120 dump trucks on for between 40 and 80 years is closed indefinitely. What sort of city engineer could ever have allowed this in the first place?

Why are the most stupid of people taking the spot light? I wonder if the Stupid 5 can tell us?

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/14/2023 9:05 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-vickie-paladino-claims-nyc-bicyclists-should-be-licensed-20230213-67w2ee2aeffhrg3wrig5etjchm-story.html
>

I'm not worried. That's been tried probably hundreds of times.
Invariably, they find it doesn't work. One might as well try licensing
shoes.

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- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

+1

[Roger Meriman]

AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 2/14/2023 10:50 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/14/2023 9:05 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-vickie-paladino-claims-nyc-bicyclists-should-be-licensed-20230213-67w2ee2aeffhrg3wrig5etjchm-story.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not worried. That's been tried probably hundreds of
>> times. Invariably, they find it doesn't work. One might as
>> well try licensing shoes.
>>
>
> +1
>

Indeed!

Roger Merriman

[John B.]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:05:30 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-vickie-paladino-claims-nyc-bicyclists-should-be-licensed-20230213-67w2ee2aeffhrg3wrig5etjchm-story.html

well, why not? After all bicyclists want the "State" to build them
special paths with tax payer money, why should the object the "State"
knowing how many there are?
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Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Some shoes already require licensing:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=licensed+shoes&tbm=isch>

Where to get your shoe license:
<https://www.licenseglobal.com/fashion/footwear>


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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Frank Krygowski]

I don't want the state to build special paths or other segregation. I
use those only very rarely. Many of them are design atrocities.

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- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

>https://nypost.com/2023/02/14/woman-67-critically-hurt-in-nyc-fire-caused-by-e-bike-batteries/

Quite obviously no one is listening you as there currently, I read,
some 18,000 miles of bicycle paths in the U.S. and as you frequently
mention Canada in your arguments I might mention that Canada has the
longest bicycle path in the world, 20,770 kilometers long (12,906
miles).
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Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:06:13 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/14/2023 5:48 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:05:30 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-vickie-paladino-claims-nyc-bicyclists-should-be-licensed-20230213-67w2ee2aeffhrg3wrig5etjchm-story.html
>>
>> well, why not? After all bicyclists want the "State" to build them
>> special paths with tax payer money, why should the object the "State"
>> knowing how many there are?
>
>I don't want the state to build special paths or other segregation.

I do, and so do many others. State and city governments are responding
appropriately.

>I use those only very rarely.

Maybe when you get your e-bike and are able to ride more than a few
miles from home.

>Many of them are design atrocities.

Another undocumented opinion...

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:15:03 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:06:13 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/14/2023 5:48 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:05:30 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-vickie-paladino-claims-nyc-bicyclists-should-be-licensed-20230213-67w2ee2aeffhrg3wrig5etjchm-story.html
>>>
>>> well, why not? After all bicyclists want the "State" to build them
>>> special paths with tax payer money, why should the object the "State"
>>> knowing how many there are?
>>
>>I don't want the state to build special paths or other segregation. I
>>use those only very rarely. Many of them are design atrocities.
>>https://nypost.com/2023/02/14/woman-67-critically-hurt-in-nyc-fire-caused-by-e-bike-batteries/
>
>Quite obviously no one is listening you as there currently, I read,
>some 18,000 miles of bicycle paths in the U.S. and as you frequently
>mention Canada in your arguments I might mention that Canada has the
>longest bicycle path in the world, 20,770 kilometers long (12,906
>miles).

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2021/08/ohio-now-has-the-most-us-bicycle-route-mileage-in-america-maps.html

[AMuzi]

We're back to advantage sand disadvantages.

Some guy in an office has decided you ought to pay for them
so his contractor kickbacks can continue.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/15/2023 10:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/14/2023 9:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/14/2023 5:48 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:05:30 -0600, AMuzi
>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-vickie-paladino-claims-nyc-bicyclists-should-be-licensed-20230213-67w2ee2aeffhrg3wrig5etjchm-story.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> well, why not? After all bicyclists want the "State" to
>>> build them
>>> special paths with tax payer money, why should the object
>>> the "State"
>>> knowing how many there are?
>>
>> I don't want the state to build special paths or other
>> segregation. I use those only very rarely. Many of them are
>> design atrocities.
>>
>
> We're back to advantage sand disadvantages.

... Which we can discuss. Obviously, many people like them. A major
reason they do is they have been convinced that riding on normal roads
is extremely dangerous. Fear drives them to the segregated trails. Both
the fear and the ignorance that drives it are bad for society. They're
also bad for retaining our rights to the road.

> Some guy in an office has decided you ought to pay for them so his
> contractor kickbacks can continue.

It's much more complicated. There have always been idealists who
envisioned safe and peaceful bike trails everywhere. But the big push
seemed to happen about the time that bike industry leaders (e.g. Burke)
decided the industry could grow only if the government spent billions on
segregating bikes from other traffic. That's when LAB switched from
protecting road rights to demanding segregation.

That organization and others commenced a propaganda assault that still
continues. And of course, those who seek profit add their efforts and
propaganda. So the public bought into the idea that riding ordinary
roads is dangerous and riding in segregation is safe. Politicians have
responded.

That the assumptions are false doesn't matter.


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- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

Here our bike trails are the round the bay trails that are necessary to keep the shoreline from washing away. The shorelines are all lined with heavy rocks above the high tide level and because they have to be maintained, they have trails and bridges over the creeks to give access. That bikes and hikers use them is a secondary gift. Without these, the Bay would be one very large mud puddle with long narrow drainage ditches and all of the shoreline and the thousands of houses destroyed in ONE heavy rain year. With the Salt Marsh that used to protect the bay coast filled and built upon there these rocky shorelines are an absolute necessity. To give you some idea of the size of these projects, one 3 mile section a couple of miles from where I was born and raised took THREE YEARS of 24 hours a day filling to install the 880 Freeway just over that 3 mile section. And the entire ecosystem was destroyed. Where 20 lb striped bass used to be pulled from the water there is now nothing at all.

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:36:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/15/2023 10:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/14/2023 9:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 2/14/2023 5:48 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:05:30 -0600, AMuzi
>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-vickie-paladino-claims-nyc-bicyclists-should-be-licensed-20230213-67w2ee2aeffhrg3wrig5etjchm-story.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> well, why not? After all bicyclists want the "State" to
>>>> build them
>>>> special paths with tax payer money, why should the object
>>>> the "State"
>>>> knowing how many there are?
>>>
>>> I don't want the state to build special paths or other
>>> segregation. I use those only very rarely. Many of them are
>>> design atrocities.
>>>
>>
>> We're back to advantage sand disadvantages.
>
>... Which we can discuss. Obviously, many people like them. A major
>reason they do is they have been convinced that riding on normal roads
>is extremely dangerous. Fear drives them to the segregated trails. Both
>the fear and the ignorance that drives it are bad for society.

<LOL> Another totally unsupported nonsense opinion from Krygoski.

> They're
>also bad for retaining our rights to the road.

I doubt it.

>> Some guy in an office has decided you ought to pay for them so his
>> contractor kickbacks can continue.

or it might be a guy in an office who rides a bike. I've talked to
both state and county highway officials who've told me that they are
avid bicyclists. Both calls were about issues that needed their
attention, and both problems were quickly repaired.

>It's much more complicated. There have always been idealists who
>envisioned safe and peaceful bike trails everywhere. But the big push
>seemed to happen about the time that bike industry leaders (e.g. Burke)
>decided the industry could grow only if the government spent billions on
>segregating bikes from other traffic. That's when LAB switched from
>protecting road rights to demanding segregation.
>
>That organization and others commenced a propaganda assault that still
>continues. And of course, those who seek profit add their efforts and
>propaganda. So the public bought into the idea that riding ordinary
>roads is dangerous and riding in segregation is safe.

Because it's true.

> Politicians have
>responded.

..and that's a good thing

>That the assumptions are false doesn't matter.

<LOL> There's nothing to discuss. Riding a bike trail is undoubtably
safer than riding in traffic.

[John B.]

Goodness! Are you inferring that kickbacks are paid, ONLY, when
building bicycle paths (:-?)

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Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

I would _never_ say that.

I assume the low guy does kiddie paths. The older, more
skilled, more connected ones shake down highway contractors.

[Catrike Rider]

The more "kiddie paths" the more bicyclists. Doesn't look like problem
to me.

[John B.]

Funny but true story.... Way back when, the state of California did
some kind of construction or a water works or flood control, or
something of that nature and a chap that I worked with overseas who
had a trucking business when he had been in the States told me how he
got a hauling contact for the project... He went in the contracting
office and in a loud voice demanded to know who he had to pay to get a
contract and the employees there told him that there was no bribing in
California State projects and almost literally kicked him out of the
office..... and he got a phone call that evening and in about two
weeks was hauling fill for the project (:-)

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Cheers,

John B.