Specialized Allez frames by 3Rensho?
Keeper of the Mighty Macaulay
road frames for Specialized for a while? I've got a nice, older, lugged
Allez Comp road frame that I might be getting rid of soon and I'd like
to get some idea if it's worth anything special.
Thanks,
Seng
David Balfoort
you are ready to sell.
Thanks,
David
EdDyMeRkX
that did 3Rensho and that was the only conection
Tom Kunich
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> I might be wrong, but I think that the lug-set was designed by the same
person
> that did 3Rensho and that was the only conection
The owner of San Rensho was in an auto accident that left him a paraplegic
quite some time ago now. So perhaps Specialized was trying to get him
involved again.
Scott Hendricks
>Can anyone out there debunk/back up the rumor I heard that 3Rensho built
>road frames for Specialized for a while? I've got a nice, older, lugged
>Allez Comp road frame that I might be getting rid of soon and I'd like
>to get some idea if it's worth anything special.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Seng
If you're talking about the early/mid 90's production lugged steel frames,
made with I believe Tange Prestige tubing, it's worth KEEPING. That was
perhaps one of the finest production steel frames of it's time, and it was
very reasonably priced. It didn't, however, have any of the super sexy high
tech aspects necessary to create/sustain a market for it.
If I had one, I don't know that I would sell it unless it were absolutely
necessary.
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Matt O'Toole
"Keeper of the Mighty Macaulay" <se...@visi.com> wrote in message
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I don't know if they're "worth" anything, but they are kind of nice for a
mass-market bike. If you're getting rid of yours, and it's in the
neighborhood of 58cm, I might be interested.
Matt O.
Keeper of the Mighty Macaulay
> made with I believe Tange Prestige tubing, it's worth KEEPING. That was
> perhaps one of the finest production steel frames of it's time, and it was
> very reasonably priced. It didn't, however, have any of the super sexy
> high tech aspects necessary to create/sustain a market for it.
I bought the bike in December of 1993 and it wasn't the new incoming
models, so I presume it's a '93. The label says Specialized Direct
Drive custom butted tubing- any idea of who made that? It's a nice bike
for sure, really nice lugwork for a production bike (nicer than my 50th
anniv. Paramount, even), but it's never been really comfortable, which
is why I'm thinking of getting rid of it- I've got a custom frame in the works.
Any suggestions/offers for a reasonable price- it measures 57.5 c-t?
I'd prefer to sell the whole bike, or most of it.
Thanks,
Seng
Stephe Thayer
Scott Hendricks <sco...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
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> >===== Original Message From se...@visi.com =====
> >Can anyone out there debunk/back up the rumor I heard that 3Rensho built
> >road frames for Specialized for a while? I've got a nice, older, lugged
> >Allez Comp road frame that I might be getting rid of soon and I'd like
> >to get some idea if it's worth anything special.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Seng
>
> If you're talking about the early/mid 90's production lugged steel frames,
> made with I believe Tange Prestige tubing, it's worth KEEPING.
I agree. I bought one of these as my first "nice" bike and still enjoy it.
Has rack mounts etc and rides nice. Threw a cheap carbon fork on it and some
record shifting bits and for general cycling, it's hard to beat.
--
Stephe Thayer
Johnny
mine? My dad was orginal owner...he got it back in the mid-eighties new.
Tange DB tubes, 60 cm, nice 'ferrari red' paint. Has panto'd 'S' on the
seat stay tips, This ride is beautiful, I cant believe Specialized built
it.
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Sheldon Brown
>
> Since your asking about who built your Allez, can anybody help me out with
> mine? My dad was orginal owner...he got it back in the mid-eighties new.
> Tange DB tubes, 60 cm, nice 'ferrari red' paint. Has panto'd 'S' on the
> seat stay tips, This ride is beautiful, I cant believe Specialized built
> it.
As far as I know, Specialized never "built" any steel bikes. Last I
knew the only product they actually manufactured was waterbottles (and
very nice ones they are.)
This is not to disparage Specialized or its products in any way. The
Specialized name has always been reserved for very high quality
products, but they are a designer/importer, not a manufacturer.
I believe that the Japanese Specialized frames of the '80s were mostly
made by Miyata. The drop-dead gorgeous Allez frames of this thread,
however, I believe were made by Giant in Taiwan.
It represents an important milestone in the development of the Taiwanese
bicycle industry, which mainly produced arrant junk in the '70s. These
Allez frames are vastly superior in workmanship to all European
mass-produced frames, and are comparable to the best handmade frames
from the U.S. and elsewhere. I can see how they could be confused with
3Rensho, the workmanship and elegance of design are comparable.
It's a shame that Specialized won't deal with shops like ours, because
they have some really nice products.
Sheldon "A Frame To Treasure" Brown
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A Muzi
lately it seems based mostly on price.
Allez were originally built by I think Tano and Co., or at least a similar
midsize bike company in Japan. The 1984~1988 models were designed and built by
Yoshi Konno of Cyclone Ltd (3Rensho). At the time, the 3Rensho Athlete model
was the same frame right down to the red paint except for the seatstay caps
and a few other small details.
Interestingly Allez was a house brand of the Holdsworthy Company, London, who
did not pursue an American trademark so Specialized just took the name.
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Keeper of the Mighty Macaulay
> I believe that the Japanese Specialized frames of the '80s were mostly
> made by Miyata. The drop-dead gorgeous Allez frames of this thread,
> however, I believe were made by Giant in Taiwan.
Silly me, I guess I should have known from the sticker on the seat tube
that says "TAIWAN" that the frame is not a 3Rensho build. Sometimes,
you got to take the obvious clues. Thanks for the clarification anyway.
Seng
Blake Dudley
<se...@visi.com> writes:
Seng writes:
I have an old Allez SE (@1986), I e- mailed Specialized a few years ago about
the details of the frame and was given a little info. Unfortunately about all
that I remember now is that they were built by a Japanese outfi tand they were
used in the 84 Olympics. I can honestly say they are excellent frames, I would
love to get my hands on a steel Allez from the last year they were made @ 95 I
think. Try Specialized maybe somebody from the earlier years still works there.
Good Luck,
Blake
Jay Hill
> Any suggestions/offers for a reasonable price- it measures 57.5 c-t?
> I'd prefer to sell the whole bike, or most of it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Seng
Ask in rec.bicycles.marketplace.
Brian Plouffe
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Tom Kunich
> they have some really nice products.
I agree with this. Specialized used to have nothing but top notch parts. I
had several early Specialized headsets that were infinitely light. They were
all aluminum with steel races in them and operated perfectly forever. These
headsets were about 3/4's the weight of Record and half the price. Their
bottom brackets and chain rings and cranks were over the top good stuff.
Light, reliable and very cost effective.
But then Specialized started in with their preposterous marketing philosophy
("never sell to anyone that won't commit to umpteen million bucks per
month") and most of the small shops went elsewhere and Specialized became
just another bike maker.
Tom Kunich
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>
> Allez were originally built by I think Tano and Co., or at least a similar
> midsize bike company in Japan. The 1984~1988 models were designed and
built by
> Yoshi Konno of Cyclone Ltd (3Rensho). At the time, the 3Rensho Athlete
model
> was the same frame right down to the red paint except for the seatstay
caps
> and a few other small details.
Ain't it nice to have the real experts around when you need them?
Ben Coleman
Tom Kunich wrote in message <9af8uj$rif$1...@news.cadence.com>...
>I agree with this. Specialized used to have nothing but top notch parts. I
>had several early Specialized headsets that were infinitely light.
C'mon, Tom, I think you're exaggerating....
Ben
Sheldon Brown
> > It's a shame that Specialized won't deal with shops like ours, because
> > they have some really nice products.
Brian Plouffe wrote:
> Why won't Specialized sell to your shop?
We're a pretty small shop. We used to sell their tires, and would love
to be able to continue to do so.
Specialized has very high minimum order requirments, under their
relatively new "Specialized Dealer Alliance" program. We would need to
make Specialized our dominant brand to meet their requirements in the
shop, and they won't allow their products to be sold over the 'net, so
we would have to give up several other excellent lines to jump through
Specialized's hoops.
Sheldon "Still Riding On Fat Boys And Touring Turbos" Brown
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Johnny
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Matt B
>Their bottom brackets and chain rings and cranks were over the top good
stuff.
> Light, reliable and very cost effective.
>
Their BBs of late have been nothing short of disastrous! The original item
in my Hardrock Comp (despite being a MTB it's spent 95% of its time on the
road) packed up after 1200 miles. And there have been many reports of BB
failure on lots of there other MTBs including the flashy full sussers.
The LBS replaced it with another el-chepo BB of unknown origin and the bike
has now covered 10k with out further problems in that area.
But I must admit to liking the bike as its great for a hack. Especially in
the mornings when I am not at my best because its so stable it virtually
rides itself!
Blake Dudley
<se...@visi.com> writes:
Seng and Sheldon,
My 86 Allez SE has a "Japan" sticker on it. Tthey must have had different
versions.
Blake
A Muzi
exaggerate!"
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