Lawyer (= Liar) Pathetically Tries to Defend Mountain Biking
Mike Vandeman
Sir,
> The photo's you have posted purporting to show "mountain bike damage"
to
"pristine forest" are misleading. Their is not a single photo amongst the
group which shows any damage, rather signs of use are present, none of
which
are irreparable with but a few seasons passage.
This just shows how dishonest you mountain bikers are! Where you see trail,
you see the loss of living organisms! If you don't consider death "damage",
you are really crazy!
>I am a mountain biker in
Oklahoma, and our group spends hours maintaining the trails,
That is a destructive activity.
> policing the
environs for trash, and should we find trash, it has come from casual
bikers
and not dedicated outdoors-men and women who have sweated and been injured
maintaining the trail system.
You have to be injured to prove your dedication? You are insane!
> It does seem to me that you have taken offense at the mere use of the
forest
BS. I am talking about LOSS OF HABITAT. You obviously don't know what that
is.
> and that based upon what I have seen on your website and associated
links, you advocate "off limits areas" where humans may not go lest we
violate nature. You seem to be misguided and your PhD does not imbue you
with the powers of the almighty regarding the environment.
> You are the opposite of the corporates who would destroy the forests
so
no one can use them, yet your goals are no less evil and destructive.
What exactly is "evil" or "destructive" about protecting wildlife? I think
that is news to most rational human beings (unlike mountain bikers)!
> You
too seek to see that no one uses the environment, albeit you seek this via
its ultra preservation. Both you ultra tree/ bunny huggers and Corporate
giants are selfish in that you seek to control the forests for your own
goals
and beliefs, all others be damned.
No, for the goals of the wildlife whose HOME it is.
> The only ones who know what their doing, many with and without PhD's,
advocate environmental management, which is the safe, effective use of land
for all, preserving and managing the lands of the earth so as to reach a
fragile equilibrium of give and take. Mountain bikers are not the enemy as
they attempt to preserve while responsibly using portions of the land as
its
guardian and caretaker.
BS. You are highly destriuctive of wildlife and habitat. Oh, I forgot --
you don't think KILLING is "destructive"! I guess you wouldn't object to
killing YOU, then!
> It is a symbiotic relationship, one that corporate
leeches and environmental wackos will never understand because the selfish
altruism displayed is belied by the ultimate ends you seek: preventing
everyone from enjoying and enhancing the lands they inhabit.
How does banning BIKES prevent people from enjoying nature? It seems to me
that it makes it EASIER to enjoy nature, when you don't have to worry about
a large piece of machinery whizzing around the next turn & running into
you!
> Please put your PhD to use doing something really rewarding. Your
eduction and talent has thus far been wasted.
>Sincerely
>Robert T. Kincaid, III
Attorney at Law
I.e., LIAR.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Scott Nudds
Langer has a seemingly perpetual need to lie to this newsgroup.
More evidence confirming that Langrrr has been lying for the last
several months
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>
> This just shows how dishonest you mountain bikers are! Where you see
trail,
> you see the loss of living organisms! If you don't consider death
"damage",
> you are really crazy!
Aren't you being equally myopic? You seem to be suffering from 'cute bunny
syndrome' - that is you see only the larger organisms and only want to save
them. You say trails 'cause loss of living organisms', yeah sure... but so
does your walking to the shops - trouble is you don't see the organisms, cos
they're too small , you know, like those teeney weeney ickle spiders - when
you are looking down from 6 feet you don't see them - but I guess you don't
care about them?
maddog
god this guy is a moron. You should see his pitures of mountain biking
destruction. Talk about misguiding the public. Obviously he wants everyone
to stay in the city so he can hike to the outdoors and have it all to
himself. I looked at the pictures and some of the corners have been burmed
and some of the trail has been widened due to errosion, but when you look at
the soil conditions and the area around it, the Wildlife such as deer could
acomplish the same thing. Your right it wouldn't be as wide and they
wouldn't bank the corners but the wildlife to trample down all the living
organizims for their trails. This guy sounds like the type who would hike
out in the woods for the day... shit in the trees....and leave the tp on the
ground! That sounds like destruction to me! Oh right... not even the hippies
think that is wrong....
Open your eyes.. ... we should never ban.... but learn to work together and
co-operate together to make things better.
remember: Keep the rubber side down!
Maddog
edEEp
I've only been here 6 months, if that.
Just avoid talking Vanda-Bot is all I ask. It's pathetic watching people
argue with a statue. I did. It sucked when I found out he wasn't even real, he's
simply a spirit who haunts newbies.
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:08:14 GMT, <madd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I have got to see this site for banning all humans from wildlife areas. My
>god this guy is a moron. You should see his pitures of mountain biking
<snip worthless drivel>
Chris Phillipo
>
> <Worthy of top-post>
> I've only been here 6 months, if that.
> Just avoid talking Vanda-Bot is all I ask. It's pathetic watching people
> argue with a statue. I did. It sucked when I found out he wasn't even real, he's
> simply a spirit who haunts newbies.
Oh come on, watching this particular newbie (maddog) argue with the mule
should be funny as hell.
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"maddog" <madd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>This guy sounds like the type who would hike out in the woods for
It is a well established fact that he never leaves the trail....
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Langrrr
af...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Scott Nudds) wrote:
> I see that once again someone has made the observation that Andrew
> Langer has a seemingly perpetual need to lie to this newsgroup.
>
I see that once again Scott Nudds has spammed this group with his aged
and long-since discredited slanderous assertions and affirmative
misconstruals.
Must be a cold winter up in Hamilton, Ontario.
Tell us, Nudds, what do your employees say about their boss' perpetual
feats of ineptitude?
- Andrew Langer
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Mike Vandeman
.In article <933sha$e8a$2...@mohawk.hwcn.org>,
. af...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Scott Nudds) wrote:
.> I see that once again someone has made the observation that Andrew
.> Langer has a seemingly perpetual need to lie to this newsgroup.
.>
.
.I see that once again Scott Nudds has spammed this group with his aged
.and long-since discredited slanderous assertions and affirmative
.misconstruals.
.
.Must be a cold winter up in Hamilton, Ontario.
.
.Tell us, Nudds, what do your employees say about their boss' perpetual
.feats of ineptitude?
.
. - Andrew Langer
And this has WHAT to do with mountain biking?
Scott Nudds
: af...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Scott Nudds) wrote:
: > I see that once again someone has made the observation that Andrew
: > Langer has a seemingly perpetual need to lie to this newsgroup.
Langrrr (Lan...@aol.com) wrote:
: I see that once again Scott Nudds has spammed this group with his aged
: and long-since discredited slanderous assertions and affirmative
: misconstruals.
Competitive Enterprise Institute employee Andrew Langer doesn't like it
when he is exposed as the paid shill he is, and as the liar he has
unfortunately repeatedly proven himself to be.
The Competitive Enterprise Institute believes as most propaganda
organizations do, that if you tell a lie often enough, people will begin
to believe it.
Those who respect the American public don't perpetually lie to the
American public as has been repeatedly proven with this organization and
this individual.
Andrew Langer writes:
: Tell us, Nudds, what do your employees say about their boss' perpetual
: feats of ineptitude?
When propagandists like Andrew Langrrr - paid disinformation officer of
the Competitive Enterprise Institute - can't hide the facts, they often
resort to childish insults in an attempt to change the topic.
Langrrr
af...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Scott Nudds) wrote:
> : In article <933sha$e8a$2...@mohawk.hwcn.org>,
> : af...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Scott Nudds) wrote:
> : > I see that once again someone has made the observation that
Andrew
> : > Langer has a seemingly perpetual need to lie to this newsgroup.
>
> Langrrr (Lan...@aol.com) wrote:
> : I see that once again Scott Nudds has spammed this group with his
aged
> : and long-since discredited slanderous assertions and affirmative
> : misconstruals.
>
Scott Nudds, paid poster for Division Software, scribbled:
> Competitive Enterprise Institute employee Andrew Langer doesn't
like it
> when he is exposed as the paid shill he is, and as the liar he has
> unfortunately repeatedly proven himself to be.
>
You have never, ever, proved either. I, on the other hand, have proved
you to be a liar numerous times.
(snipped the rest of Nudds' long-since disproved stale drivel)
Scott Nudds
: Scott Nudds, paid poster for Division Software, scribbled:
: > Competitive Enterprise Institute employee Andrew Langer doesn't
: > like it
: > when he is exposed as the paid shill he is, and as the liar he has
: > unfortunately repeatedly proven himself to be.
Andrew Langer - paid propagandist for the Competitive Enterprise Institute
Responds:
: You have never, ever, proved either. I, on the other hand, have proved
: you to be a liar numerous times.
More evidence confirming that Langrrr has been lying for the last
theMule
it over and over again. The fact is that almost everybody that works on
public policy issues are paid Shills, so what. Both sides pay their Shills.
And still, a simple course in logic will tell you that the fact that someone
is a Shill does not have anything to do with right or wrong. Why would
unpaid shills, or other types of newsgroup babble should be any more
correct.
Scott Nudds wrote in message <93dg81$agq$3...@mohawk.hwcn.org>...
Scott Nudds
: I'm always amused when someone gets accused of being a paid shill.
Logic dictates that those who are paid to express an opinion are less
reliable sources of infomation that those who express an opinion based on
fact.
Logic dictates that those who claim they are not being paid to post to
this newsgroup and later found to be lying about the fact, are almost
certainly lying about many other things they are being paid to advocate.
I prefer honesty.
Langrrr
af...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Scott Nudds) wrote:
> theMule (idont...@spam.net) wrote:
> : I'm always amused when someone gets accused of being a paid shill.
>
> Logic dictates that those who are paid to express an opinion are
less
> reliable sources of infomation that those who express an opinion
based on
> fact.
>
And those who are paid to express an opinion which is based on fact?
> Logic dictates that those who claim they are not being paid to post
to
> this newsgroup and later found to be lying about the fact, are almost
> certainly lying about many other things they are being paid to
advocate.
>
Considering that you have not proved that I have lied about this fact,
even though you have had ample opportunity to do so, that statement is
thus irrelevant when applied to me.
> I prefer honesty.
>
And that is a joke of the highest order. You prefer no such thing. If
it were true, you wouldn't continue to spam this group with your drivel.