Child Cyclist gets killed....
Spaz
Was watching the news, they were just telling about a child riding
home from a birthday party on his bike. He was killed.
This is only one child, who's kid is next. Still, no-one seems
interested in talking about putting something together to make child
(and adult) cyclists more aware of traffic laws and safety philosiphies.
I don't understand. You would think parents would be remotely
interested in protecting their children.
The newscast showed the accident sceen, the childs bicycle was
**UNDER** the car. Go to sleep tonight, picture your kid smashed
under a car, and ask yourself why you aren't doint anything to
help put together some sort of community awareness meeting.
Hell, even getting some friends together to talk about safety in
cycling and driving would help in prevention.
But, okay, who cares? I don't have any children, just a niece who
I plan to make certain knows all about the dangers involved in cycling.
I only post this out of concern, I keep seeing these children leaping
and bounding into traffic, now one is dead. There will be more, count
on it. Will it be someone you know? Will it be someone you love?
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Meanwhile, I would like to see posted in response to this all the
details of this accident. Who was involved? What happend exactly?
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>Spaz <time...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> Was watching the news, they were just telling about a child riding
>home from a birthday party on his bike. He was killed.
>
> This is only one child, who's kid is next. Still, no-one seems
>interested in talking about putting something together to make child
>(and adult) cyclists more aware of traffic laws and safety philosiphies.
Community Traffic Safety Coalition that has been working on bike safety
education for a couple years. i am not a member of the coalition,
but i have heard positive things about their work. for more info about
the coalition, call Isleen Glatt 408-454-4317.
--- don fong, speaking for myself only
Don Steiny
> Meanwhile, I would like to see posted in response to this all the
>details of this accident. Who was involved? What happend exactly?
Why is this is scruz.general? What does it have to do with Santa Cruz?
-don
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Renee Linda Roberts
> Was watching the news, they were just telling about a child riding
> home from a birthday party on his bike. He was killed.
>
> This is only one child, who's kid is next. Still, no-one seems
> interested in talking about putting something together to make child
> (and adult) cyclists more aware of traffic laws and safety philosiphies.
>
> I don't understand. You would think parents would be remotely
> interested in protecting their children.
>
> The newscast showed the accident sceen, the childs bicycle was
> **UNDER** the car. Go to sleep tonight, picture your kid smashed
> under a car, and ask yourself why you aren't doint anything to
> help put together some sort of community awareness meeting.
>
I don't have to imagine it. On June 29, 1994, my son was hit by a
car and seriously injured. His injury focused the neighborhood where
we live. Now the parents protect not only their kids, but others
that they see who are riding in the street, not wearing helmets, etc.
> Hell, even getting some friends together to talk about safety in
> cycling and driving would help in prevention.
>
Great idea.
> But, okay, who cares? I don't have any children, just a niece who
> I plan to make certain knows all about the dangers involved in cycling.
>
I think this is fantastic. But, are her parents doing any of this?
> I only post this out of concern, I keep seeing these children leaping
> and bounding into traffic, now one is dead. There will be more, count
> on it. Will it be someone you know? Will it be someone you love?
Read below. My son decided to write this. It has been posted on the
'net before, but for those who haven't read it:
--------
<My son David read the posts regarding kids in the street. He wanted to
write something, so here it is:>
Hi I'm David and I got hit by a car and I broke my tibia, fibula, and
femur bones and sprained my ankle. I got a concussion too. It happened
on June 29th, 1994 I went to my freind's house then I crosed the street
and I don't remembber what happened then I woke up and I do not no what
happened. I was in a cast for 4 months and now I'm having trouble with
my legs and I have knock knees.
David
<Note from Renee:
David learned a very difficult lesson last year. He shared this
lesson with 600 kids from his school on Bicycle Safety Day this year.
There were sheriff deputies there telling the kids about safety, but
most of the kids were yawning through these lectures by adults. When
David began to speak, those kids sat there, jaws open, taking in
everything that David said. The kids here on the street where we live
now are much safer since seeing what David had to go through.
He will need additional surgery to correct the damage that a car going
10 MPH did to him. The accident left him with the growth plate damaged in
his left leg. As a result, that leg is now 1/2 inch longer than the right.
The ligaments and tendons in his leg are being stretched to the point
of snapping. He wears an ankle brace many days, and has a hard time
running and keeping up with his friends. He spent all of last summer
and most of the fall in either a long leg cast along with metalwork
(called a fixator) holding his leg in place or in a body cast. He
started school in a wheelchair, and was unable to stand until November.
He is healing, but it will take a long time.
Please, I implore you, make sure that your children are
wearing their helmets, and that they know and understand the laws
regarding cycling. Also, don't let them ride in the street until they
are in their teens. Kids are very difficult to see, due to their size.>
SFinn
of God..."
My heart goes out to all the Davids in the world.
I'd write more, but I have to go buy a helmet...
Finn
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RAM disk is *not* an installation procedure.
Spaz
<never mind what he wrote, it didn't really make sense anyway>
Good 'ol Joe Truck, how could I ever take you serriously. :)
Tim May
>Spaz <time...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> Was watching the news, they were just telling about a child riding
>home from a birthday party on his bike. He was killed.
>
> This is only one child, who's kid is next. Still, no-one seems
>interested in talking about putting something together to make child
>(and adult) cyclists more aware of traffic laws and safety philosiphies.
Tragic for the parents, so what?
Floods occur, hurricanes, earthquakes, murders, disease....the grim reaper
takes thousands of lives every minute.
Me. I've heard *more* than I care to about child safety tips, helmets, etc.
Like AIDS, which all sentient adults have heard about to the point of
boredom, what more can be done? Those who still don't get the message won't
get it by forcing television to cover it yet again.
> Hell, even getting some friends together to talk about safety in
>cycling and driving would help in prevention.
Spaz, I rather doubt that yoy and your friends getting together to "rap"
about child bicycle safety will do much. But don't let me stop you.
> I only post this out of concern, I keep seeing these children leaping
>and bounding into traffic, now one is dead. There will be more, count
>on it. Will it be someone you know? Will it be someone you love?
A waste of bandwidth.
>
> Meanwhile, I would like to see posted in response to this all the
>details of this accident. Who was involved? What happend exactly?
Morbid curiousity, sounds like it to me.
--Tim May
Don Steiny
> I only post this out of concern, I keep seeing these children leaping
>and bounding into traffic, now one is dead. There will be more, count
>on it. Will it be someone you know? Will it be someone you love?
Kill 'em all and let god sort it out.
cyc...@cruzio.com
> Spaz <time...@cruzio.com> writes:
>
> > I only post this out of concern, I keep seeing these children leaping
> >and bounding into traffic, now one is dead. There will be more, count
> >on it. Will it be someone you know? Will it be someone you love?
Don Steiny <steiny.8...@infopoint.com> said:
>
> Kill 'em all and let god sort it out.
>
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THX for letting the Internet Ctty see who U really are, Don Steiny. Since you
are commited to killing our children, I guess we really have no future. And as
such, we shouldn't bother trying to educate U about your driving habits. Is
that what I understad you to mean?
Now others should be able to see why we cyclists are so passionate about
ensuring safe passage for ourselves. Now we get a better look into the mind of
those who have the capacity to kill bike riders. Now we get to see what takes
place in the mind of someone who has the capacity to fall asleep in a
cyclist's path. Granted accidents like the bike death in San Jose do happen,
but a post like this sure makes U wonder how many are really accidents.
Doesn't it??
Don, U have earned my FEAR. I will stop and dismount any time U want to drive
anyhere near me.
BTW: About all I can do is send U love Don. But I feel compelled to tell
people so they will know what kind of person has been attacking me and my
other cycling friends here in Santa Cruz. I just hope you're alone in
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writes:
>I don't have to imagine it. On June 29, 1994, my son was hit by a
>car and seriously injured.
So, who was at fault?
- Tom
Todd Melville
> Was watching the news, they were just telling about a child riding
> home from a birthday party on his bike. He was killed.
>
> This is only one child, who's kid is next. Still, no-one seems
> interested in talking about putting something together to make child
> (and adult) cyclists more aware of traffic laws and safety philosiphies.
>
Several years ago I came across a kid on a bicycle path, he was
screaming at me to help his friend. At the bottom of the hill
was a sharp turn and a tree, in the long grass under the tree
was his friend bleeding profusely, and girgling noises were
comming from his throat. There was a ambulance station 1 block
away and the ambulance was there, fairly fast but not fast
enough, the boy was doa at the hospital.
This was a very sad story, and we could say cut down all trees,
and put up barriers around sharp turns etc.. but the fact of the
matter was the bike the boy was riding had no brakes.
Not only is it important to explain the rules of the road to your
kids, but also make sure their bike is in proper order.
This all could have been prevented so easily.
Todd:((
Disgruntled and
BUT, if people love their kids so much, why do they let them play in
traffic? Same reason they want the feds to keep porn off the net? If you
see a kid do something stupid, do you stop and tell him to get back up on
the sidewalk, or do you just complain that people drive too carelessly?
Come to think of it, do you ever drive a car? Have you never noticed that
even when you're wide awake at legal speeds, a kid or a dog or a cat or a
squirrel can dive under your wheels before you can even THINK about
braking?
Um... I think I was trolled too. Carry on.
Bev bas...@cello.gina.calstate.edu
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| Also, don't let them ride in the street until they
|are in their teens.
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Spaz
>> I only post this out of concern, I keep seeing these children leaping
>>and bounding into traffic, now one is dead. There will be more, count
>>on it. Will it be someone you know? Will it be someone you love?
>
Is this the same Don who was accusing me of being "mean-spirited"?
Sorry to have to say it, but I must suggest you seek professional
help right away. Hope you get better at some point.
Spaz
> (as i said before) there is a local Santa Cruz group called the
>Community Traffic Safety Coalition that has been working on bike safety
>education for a couple years. i am not a member of the coalition,
>but i have heard positive things about their work. for more info about
>the coalition, call Isleen Glatt 408-454-4317.
>
>--- don fong, speaking for myself only
Does anyone have more information about the Community Traffic Safety
Coalition?
If so, please post it here.
I will call the number, but I am also hoping to raise discussion on
what it is about and what they have accoplished.
Thanks Don F. for the info. :>
J. Eric Townsend
bashley> BUT, if people love their kids so much, why do they let them
bashley> play in traffic? Same reason they want the feds to keep porn
Or live in congested cities, where there's no place for them to play
*other* than the street?
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>Come to think of it, do you ever drive a car? Have you never noticed that
>even when you're wide awake at legal speeds, a kid or a dog or a cat or a
>squirrel can dive under your wheels before you can even THINK about
>braking?
Legal speed is Way Too Fast for the residential streets where I
live. Anybody driving the speed limit is driving negligently.
-Jeff.
Tim May
>
>>> I only post this out of concern, I keep seeing these children leaping
>>>and bounding into traffic, now one is dead. There will be more, count
>>>on it. Will it be someone you know? Will it be someone you love?
>>
>> Kill 'em all and let god sort it out.
>
> Is this the same Don who was accusing me of being "mean-spirited"?
>
> Sorry to have to say it, but I must suggest you seek professional
>help right away. Hope you get better at some point.
Lighten up, Spaz!
"Kill them all and let God sort them out" is a famous historical quote,
which, used here by Don Steiny, has rhetorical meaning.
I can't speak for him, but I suspect it was motivated partly by your
overheated entreaties that we stop what we are doing and lobby for more
safety laws and suchlike.
Children get killed all the time...think of it as evolution in action.
--Tim May
(Yes, another famous quote there.)
Don Steiny
>THX for letting the Internet Ctty see who U really are, Don Steiny. Since you
>are commited to killing our children, I guess we really have no future. And as
>such, we shouldn't bother trying to educate U about your driving habits. Is
>that what I understad you to mean?
Boy, you are humorless. PS I don't drive, so you are not educating
me about anything I care about.
Renee Linda Roberts
>| Also, don't let them ride in the street until they
>|are in their teens.
>
>Where should pre-teenaged kids ride, or should they ride at all?
We can teach them to ride in the street IN THE PROPER PLACES, but a
7-10 year old (for the most part) does not ride where they are supposed
to. They are just beginning to understand the concept of riding on the
sidewalks, and haven't learned that a 2 ton vehicle can roll right over
them and kill them without effort. Kids believe that they are
indestructible, even looking at the size of a car doesn't faze them. To
tell them to ride in a small lane on the road is hard, at best.
Before they are teenagers, they are extremely small, comparatively. Look
around while you are driving. Most kids are VERY hard to see. We need
to teach them that they are invisible, not invincible.
To best protect our kids, we need to ride with them.
Renee Roberts
Spaz
No JT, it is slaughter. Senseless slaughter, it is quite sad
you are so desensitized to brutal death.
Now, I am trying to get someone to post more info abou this group
which deals in community traffic safety, I suppose I will call them
up later today and find out, if I don't see a post telling about it
hopefully by someone who really knows about them, I will just open
a discussion about them after I call them up and find out what they
do exactly. Which might be later today after I finish learning some
more perlyperl.
Later.
bas...@cello.gina.calstate.edu
= >*other* than the street?
= Then it appears they have no place to play. Therefore, they should
= not be playing. I don't have any place to experiment with high
= explosives, but that doesn't mean I can do it in the street.
And shouldn't the parents have postponed spawning until they could afford
a place for them to play? That's what responsible people do. And since
these poor pitiful tykes obviously can't afford bicycles, isn't their
plight a little off-subject?
Bev bas...@cello.gina.calstate.edu
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>
>Now others should be able to see why we cyclists are so passionate about
>ensuring safe passage for ourselves.
knee-jerk, paranoic, raving lunatics CLAIM to speak for "we
cyclists".
>Don, U have earned my FEAR. I will stop and dismount any time U want to drive
>anyhere near me.
Hey Don, what kinda car do you drive? Any way we could buy masks
so we all look like you? One more raving lunie cyclist off the
road would be worth the expense.
Mike Inglis
Townsend) once write the following? Read the book:
>Or live in congested cities, where there's no place for them to play
Then it appears they have no place to play. Therefore, they should
not be playing. I don't have any place to experiment with high
explosives, but that doesn't mean I can do it in the street.
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Um. I'd just like to add a disclaimer here. DON'T DO WHAT MIKEY SAYS.
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cyc...@cruzio.com
>
> >THX for letting the Internet Ctty see who U really are, Don Steiny. Since you
> >are commited to killing our children, I guess we really have no future. And as
> >such, we shouldn't bother trying to educate U about your driving habits. Is
> >that what I understad you to mean?
>
> Boy, you are humorless.
(other Steiny drivel deleted)
Well Ok Steiny was it Hitler that said: KILL EM ALL AND LET GOD SORT IT OUT??
I couldn't find that quote in my Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, so please
tell us who said those "famous" words.
THAT MAY HAVE BEEN HUMOROUS 50 years ago when war was patriotic. And the
reason U get laughs here on the net, and not bushels of hate mail is becuase
the Net is still a lot like an old boy's club. There are few women posters.
And in the interest of balancing sad minds like your's out it is unfortunate.
I feel sorry for your wife. Didn't I read that U and your wife luagh at the
Spaz man's posts??
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Timothy J. Lee
|>| Also, don't let them ride in the street until they
|>|are in their teens.
|>
|>Where should pre-teenaged kids ride, or should they ride at all?
|
|We can teach them to ride in the street IN THE PROPER PLACES, but a
|7-10 year old (for the most part) does not ride where they are supposed
|to.
While it is true that child cyclists generally display poor street skills,
my observation is that this is often due to not teaching them proper
street skills, or teaching them poor street skills, since I commonly see
children riding under the supervision of parents who are themselves
displaying poor street skills (e.g. riding on the wrong side of the road,
or riding at night without lights).
| They are just beginning to understand the concept of riding on the
|sidewalks,
What concept is this?
Don Steiny
>Well Ok Steiny was it Hitler that said: KILL EM ALL AND LET GOD SORT IT OUT??
>I couldn't find that quote in my Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, so please
>tell us who said those "famous" words.
>THAT MAY HAVE BEEN HUMOROUS 50 years ago when war was patriotic. And the
>reason U get laughs here on the net, and not bushels of hate mail is becuase
>the Net is still a lot like an old boy's club. There are few women posters.
>And in the interest of balancing sad minds like your's out it is unfortunate.
>I feel sorry for your wife. Didn't I read that U and your wife luagh at the
>Spaz man's posts??
Hitler was a lot like you. Totally self-rightous, completely
convinced that everything he did was for the good of mankind, and eager to
ferret out evil whereever it might be. I don't remember the exact wording,
it is usually written the way I wrote it, but it was something like: "kill
them all, God will know his own."
A woman wrote me from Georgia Tech:
"If it helps at all, *I* was laughing
p.s. Albergensian Crusade, right?"
So much for "old boys." There are obviously some very young
children. My wife told me to watch out or you might TP our house.
Besides, I think that the reason that I do not get bushels of hate
mail is because most of the people on the net have better-than-average
educations and recognize irony, sarcasm, and other literary devices.
They do not let the mere sight of certain words sent them into fits.
Not to mention that there are probably only about 5 people still reading this
thread.
cyc...@cruzio.com
> A woman wrote me from Georgia Tech:
>
> "If it helps at all, *I* was laughing
> p.s. Albergensian Crusade, right?"
>
another one of those "I fell asleep at the wheel stories".
> Besides, I think that the reason that I do not get bushels of hate
> mail is because most of the people on the net have better-than-average
> educations and recognize irony, sarcasm, and other literary devices.
> They do not let the mere sight of certain words sent them into fits.
> Not to mention that there are probably only about 5 people still reading this
> thread.
senT them into fits?
Did U mean: senD then into fits??
Remember U told us that you were our English teacher......
You flunked again. And if your wife is helping you keep up with all your "fan
mail" (as U intimated in the part of the post that I deleted from here, but
didn't want to go back and retrieve because I am not want to appear as brilliant
as you keep reminding us that U R) she flunks too. R U sure U really want to
drag her into this??
And your'e right, I'm 'gonna TP U, your house and that bus driver friend of
yours whose name U also won't disclose.
--
Don Steiny
>yours whose name U also won't disclose.
Should I be reporting this threat to the FBI? Or are you acutally
trying to make a joke? What bus driver? The one that wanted to run
over bicylists? I had never seen him before, but he had a great sense
of humor, he had the entire bus in stiches. Funny how unpopular bicyclists
are.
Don Steiny
>>
>> A woman wrote me from Georgia Tech:
>>
>> "If it helps at all, *I* was laughing
>> p.s. Albergensian Crusade, right?"
>>
>Please forward her name and I will check out her references. Sounds like
>another one of those "I fell asleep at the wheel stories".
Sorry, personal email is personal. You can check it out now though,
she was right.
Brent Burton
| around while you are driving. Most kids are VERY hard to see. We need
For the driver paying attention, noticing kids on bicycles, big wheels,
or other toys isn't hard. What's hard is noticing the kids behind
parked cars, that sometimes roll out into the street.
-Brent
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Lyle Seaman
> Well Ok Steiny was it Hitler that said: KILL EM ALL AND LET GOD SORT IT OUT??
> I couldn't find that quote in my Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, so please
> tell us who said those "famous" words.
>
> THAT MAY HAVE BEEN HUMOROUS 50 years ago when war was patriotic. And the
Sad, the lack of a classical education.
Maybe you'd have more luck looking for "Kill them all; God will know
his own." Hint, it dates back a bit more than 50 years. And it's not
humorous because war was patriotic, it's called "black humor". It
completely summarizes the cynical attitude of rulers and total
disregard for human life that was prevalent in... the Middle Ages.
"Kill em all and let God sort it out" is just a modernized version of
the quote; it scans better.
Speaking of violent old boy's club warlike quotations scaring away
women posters, well, let them eat cake.
Brent Burton
| > [...]
| > They do not let the mere sight of certain words sent them into fits.
| > Not to mention that there are probably only about 5 people still reading this
| > thread.
|
| senT them into fits?
| Did U mean: senD then into fits??
| Remember U told us that you were our English teacher......
By the power of Usenetiquette, the thread has degenerated into
a spelling flame and is hereby dead. Have a good day.
bas...@cello.gina.calstate.edu
= "Kill em all and let God sort it out" is just a modernized version of
= the quote; it scans better.
= Speaking of violent old boy's club warlike quotations scaring away
= women posters, well, let them eat cake.
Bev bas...@cello.gina.calstate.edu
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Bernie Adalem
>Did Ancient Astronauts named j...@abulafia.genmagic.com (J. Eric
>Townsend) once write the following? Read the book:
>
>>Or live in congested cities, where there's no place for them to play
>>*other* than the street?
>Then it appears they have no place to play. Therefore, they should
>not be playing. I don't have any place to experiment with high
>explosives, but that doesn't mean I can do it in the street.
That's right.
Don't play.
Don't have sex.
Don't eat.
Don't Breathe.
You have not chosen your parent's income level effectively
at birth, therefore you must deny your humanity.
or as they used to say in allied occupied Germany
"Alles Verboten."
I just don't think playing with high explosives is as natural
a drive as a child wanting to play. Perhaps you could explain
how that analogy works?
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Todd Melville
>
> THAT MAY HAVE BEEN HUMOROUS 50 years ago when war was patriotic. And the
> reason U get laughs here on the net, and not bushels of hate mail is becuase
> And in the interest of balancing sad minds like your's out it is unfortunate.
> I feel sorry for your wife. Didn't I read that U and your wife luagh at the
> Spaz man's posts??
>
>
old boy's club???
old boy's club ???
grow up, and stop trying to hide behind lame excuses.
Next thing you'll want is Net Equality..
Oh you wish to have net access .. lets see,
I'm sorry, our male quota is full right now,
try next week.
Todd;;)
who is all for equal rights but not at the expense of others.
MRFeathers
>a spelling flame and is hereby dead. Have a good day.
>-Brent
Brent: this is not quite accurate. Apparently neither of them can spell.
They also both seem to have some coherence problem. More to the point,
where are the bicycles in all these posts?
Mary
J. Eric Townsend
followups to rec.bicycles.misc...
someone wrote:
>not be playing. I don't have any place to experiment with high
>explosives, but that doesn't mean I can do it in the street.
I think you misread my post as suggesting that one allow children to
play in the street if they had no alternative.
I was (somewhat sarcastically) suggesting that maybe if there's no
place for kids to play other than the streets that the parents *should
move somewhere else.*
Someone else wrote:
badalem> You have not chosen your parent's income level effectively at
badalem> birth, therefore you must deny your humanity.
parents who can't support chilren in a decent environment should
reconsider having more (or any in the first place).
I can't afford to support kids now (in terms of finance and space to
put them). Should I have them anyway and force others to deal with
the consequences?
I live in a neighborhood where most of the kids can play in yards and
only use the street to move from one place to the nxt (why the street
is there). Telling them they can't use the street (as all other
residents are allowed) because they aren't old enough to legally drive
is absolute nonsense. Telling them it's their fault if a "responsible
adult driver" happens to run them down is also nonsense. Telling me
that I can't drive to/from my house is nonsense.
There is, of course, a comprimise that fits the above:
-- children don't play in streets
-- *everyone* can use the street for transport: bicycles,
motorcycles, cars, etc
-- people in bigger, more dangerous vehicles yield right-of-way to those
in lesser vehicles.
This means I can't scream down my neighboord at 200kph in my V8 Benz.
(I'd better join a militia, my constitutional rights are being trampled
upon! :-)
Folks, either learn to play together or move to different parts of the
world and stay out of each other's way.
Mike Inglis
write the following? Read the book:
>a spelling flame and is hereby dead. Have a good day.
Not only that, but someone mentioned Hitler already.
Mike Inglis
following? Read the book:
>THAT MAY HAVE BEEN HUMOROUS 50 years ago when war was patriotic. And the
>reason U get laughs here on the net, and not bushels of hate mail is becuase
>the Net is still a lot like an old boy's club. There are few women posters.
That is complete BS. There are multitudes of female netters out
there. Granted, you won't find many of them on
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.*, but they're definitely out there.
Incidentally, I've found most women I meet on the net to be of strong
mind. Perhaps the threat of attracting unwanted e-mail keeps the
timid women away.
Tim May
>Did Ancient Astronauts named bre...@math.tamu.edu (Brent Burton) once
>write the following? Read the book:
>>a spelling flame and is hereby dead. Have a good day.
>
>Not only that, but someone mentioned Hitler already.
Beyond Hitler, Nazis, and Heinlein.
May's Variant of Godwin's Law:
"All threads in *.scruz.* ultimately degenerate into discussion of
bicyclists and the war between automobile drivers and cyclists."
--Tim May
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Lon Stowell
>>
>Please forward her name and I will check out her references.
Egad...Hitler was a modest, unassuming, public servant compared to
your megalomania.
Chris Malcolm
>Did Ancient Astronauts named j...@abulafia.genmagic.com (J. Eric
>Townsend) once write the following? Read the book:
>>Or live in congested cities, where there's no place for them to play
>>*other* than the street?
>Then it appears they have no place to play. Therefore, they should
>not be playing.
This kind of attitude causes them to grow up into muggers, drug
addicts, and car thieves.
--
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Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
"The mind reigns, but does not govern" -- Paul Valery
bas...@cello.gina.calstate.edu
= >>*other* than the street?
= >Then it appears they have no place to play. Therefore, they should
= >not be playing.
= This kind of attitude causes them to grow up into muggers, drug
= addicts, and car thieves.
. . . which, of course, brings us back to the title of this thread.
Bev bas...@cello.gina.calstate.edu
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Even WITH a help function, it is generally possible,
by judicious experimentation with reasonable alternatives,
to hang the system.
cyc...@cruzio.com
> Did Ancient Astronauts named cyc...@cruzio.com once write the
> following? Read the book:
>
> >reason U get laughs here on the net, and not bushels of hate mail is becuase
> >the Net is still a lot like an old boy's club. There are few women posters.
>
> That is complete BS. There are multitudes of female netters out
> there. Granted, you won't find many of them on
> alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.*, but they're definitely out there.
>
> Incidentally, I've found most women I meet on the net to be of strong
> mind.
Strong enough to look the other way when someone does not honor what it is to
be alive.
Perhaps the threat of attracting unwanted e-mail keeps the
> timid women away.
Ibid
And
Oops, I should have qualified how I was using the word women. No woman with
children would have supported Heiny's Hitlerian, war tired words. It is only
those women who follow the male paradigm of pillage, plunder and destroy that
could ever support what Steiny and his lady friend from Georgia Tech are
endeavoring to promote.
Women are about life. We as men cannot create another human being but women
can and they, most of them, honor, nurture and support that process. Women
(99.99% of them) are NOT killers nor do many of them find any humor in Death.
--
Don Fong
>THAT MAY HAVE BEEN HUMOROUS 50 years ago when war was patriotic. And the
>reason U get laughs here on the net, and not bushels of hate mail is becuase
>the Net is still a lot like an old boy's club. There are few women posters.
and later:
>Oops, I should have qualified how I was using the word women. No woman with
>children would have supported Heiny's Hitlerian, war tired words. It is only
>those women who follow the male paradigm of pillage, plunder and destroy that
>could ever support what Steiny and his lady friend from Georgia Tech are
>endeavoring to promote.
does that mean i'm not a "real man"?)
>Women are about life. We as men cannot create another human being but women
>can and they, most of them, honor, nurture and support that process. Women
>(99.99% of them) are NOT killers nor do many of them find any humor in Death.
Martin, i think there are enough women on the net that they can speak
for themselves.
--- don fong
dol...@cruzio.com
> Did Ancient Astronauts named cyc...@cruzio.com once write the
> following? Read the book:
>
> >reason U get laughs here on the net, and not bushels of hate mail is becuase
> >the Net is still a lot like an old boy's club. There are few women posters.
>
> there. Granted, you won't find many of them on
> alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.*, but they're definitely out there.
It's so funny to me when I hear about how male the net is. Most of
the places I go there are lots of women and many of them have mostly
women. But, of course, it's not a surprise that I would more interested
in those places! :-)
> Incidentally, I've found most women I meet on the net to be of strong
> mind. Perhaps the threat of attracting unwanted e-mail keeps the
> timid women away.
The net has made ME stronger, no doubt about it! :-)
Laura Dolson
Mike Inglis
the following? Read the book:
>This kind of attitude causes them to grow up into muggers, drug
>addicts, and car thieves.
Um . . . huh?
"I want to play *right in front of my house*, even if there are massive
machines of metal screaming along threatening my life! And if I can't, I'm
going to shoot heroine!"
History wonders what Kurt Cobain's life would have been like had his
parents had a front yard.
Besides, I thought it was the welfare system that is the root of crime, or
was it capitalism, or racism, or the decline in morals, or the
entertainment industry, or video games, or the breakup of the traditional
family, or any of a host of other push-button topics that people routinely
yank out of their anus and hold up as the root of all evil.
Mike Inglis
Read the book:
>Oops, I should have qualified how I was using the word women. No woman with
>children would have supported Heiny's Hitlerian, war tired words. It is only
>those women who follow the male paradigm of pillage, plunder and destroy that
>could ever support what Steiny and his lady friend from Georgia Tech are
>endeavoring to promote.
Hmm, the male paradigm I was raised on was Protect, Provide, and Continue,
but I suppose you know best . . .
>Women are about life. We as men cannot create another human being but women
>can and they, most of them, honor, nurture and support that process. Women
>(99.99% of them) are NOT killers nor do many of them find any humor in Death.
It's this kind of BS that really gets under my skin. Last time I saw
spermatazoa under a microscope, it looked pretty alive to me. And, unless
my 6th grade biology teacher was grossly misinformed, it takes women *and*
men to create life. Women, of course, shoulder the burden of nurturing
that life in its early stages, and often long after, but to say that men
have no role in creation is ludicrous.
And this attitude that women are some superior life form that has risen
above the vices and problems that plague the lesser testicled species does
a great disservice to women. It's no different than society's expecting
everyone of American Indian descent to be a close-to-nature noble savage
who speaks in short but wise phrases and spends his evenings communing with
his spirit animal. Women can become alcholics and beat their children and
cheat on their taxes and not recycle and all sorts of not-good things.
Just like men.
Besides, we're one of the few species where the male is the more aggresive,
and I've met plenty of women to challenge even that theory.
Joe Buck
> Oops, I should have qualified how I was using the word women. No woman with
> children would have supported Heiny's Hitlerian, war tired words.
Perhaps, but as for the real Hitler, women were heavily represented among
his biggest fans. They swooned for him as if he were a rock star; films
of the time show women at his rallies reacting much the way young women
reacted to the Beatles in the early 60s. A woman made "The Triumph Of The
Will", the most effective pro-Nazi propaganda piece ever made.
> Women are about life. We as men cannot create another human being but women
> can and they, most of them, honor, nurture and support that process.
Seems you skipped out on your sex education classes. Of course women
pay a far bigger price for reproduction, but surely you know about the
male role in the process? :-)
--
-- Joe Buck <jb...@synopsys.com> (not speaking for Synopsys, Inc)
Anagrams for "information superhighway": Enormous hairy pig with fan
A rough whimper of insanity
Mike McNally
>Women are about life. We as men cannot create another human being but women
>can and they, most of them, honor, nurture and support that process.
This is the stupidest thing I've read on the net for at least a week
and it gets major bonus points for being totally unrelated to bicycling,
the Bay Area, or Santa Cruz..
I *am* curious as to where the previous poster got the idea that
although men can't "create another human being" without women that
women can somehow do it without men but rather than encourage him
to elaborate I'd like to suggest that maybe it's about time he and
his parents had that little chat.
Lon Stowell
>
>This kind of attitude causes them to grow up into muggers, drug
>addicts, and car thieves.
'S OK, just as long as they leave my bike alone. BTW, you left off
rock stars and politicians.