The high cost of mountain biking!

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EdwardDolan

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Jun 25, 2016, 6:48:46 AM6/25/16
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Can you imagine the stupidity of anyone crazy enough to spend thousands of
dollars on a bike just to be able to ride single track trails when you can
walk them for free. If you can, then join the club of ultimate Assholes -
Mountain Bikers! Not only do they spend this kind of money, but they also
manage to injure and kill themselves doing it. It is the ultimate
Jackassery!

Further, can you imagine spending $9000 and then having no
good place to ride it? (psychologists call that
"Cognitive Dissonance"). That's why mountain
bikers are always beating the bushes to find or make new trails which is a
criminal activity.

I say not only death to mountain biking, but death to mountain bikers
themselves. I rejoice when I hear of their mishaps - which prove to be on
unending stream of reports in the media.

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2015 CANNONDALE Trigger Carbon Team $5300
2015 CANNONDALE Trigger Carbon 2 $3,100
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2015 CANNONDALE Trigger 29 Carbon 2 $3,100
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2015 CANNONDALE Scalpel 29 Carbon Team $5,600
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2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS STUMPJUMPER FSR 29 $6,500
2015 SPECIALIZED STUMPJUMPER FSR EXPERT CARBON 29 $2,900
2015 SPECIALIZED STUMPJUMPER FSR EXPERT CARBON EVO 29 $2,900
2015 SPECIALIZED STUMPJUMPER FSR EXPERT CARBON EVO 650B $2,900
2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS ENDURO 29 $6,300
2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS ENDURO 650B $6,300
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2015 SPECIALIZED ENDURO EXPERT CARBON 650B $3,600
2015 SPECIALIZED ENDURO EXPERT EVO 650B $3,600
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2015 SPECIALIZED DEMO 8 II $3,800
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2015 SPECIALIZED TARMAC PRO DISC RACE $3,200
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2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS ALLEZ DI2 $5,000
2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS VENGE DURA-ACE DI2 $6,500
2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS VENGE DURA-ACE $5,000
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2015 SPECIALIZED VENGE LUNCH RACE $2,500
2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS ROUBAIX SL4 DISC DI2 $6,500
2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS ROUBAIX SL4 DURA-ACE $5,000
2015 SPECIALIZED ROUBAIX SL4 PRO DISC RACE UDI2 $4,500
2015 SPECIALIZED ROUBAIX SL4 PRO DISC RACE $3,000
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2015 SPECIALIZED SHIV PRO RACE $3,750
2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS CRUX EVO DI2 $7,000
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2015 SPECIALIZED AMIRA SL4 PRO RACE $2,600
2015 SPECIALIZED S-WORKS RUBY $5,000
2015 SPECIALIZED RUBY PRO DISC DI2 $3,800
2015 SPECIALIZED ALIAS PRO TRI $3,000

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2015 Trek Custom Émonda SLR $8,900
2015 Trek Émonda SLR 10 $12,700
2015 Trek Émonda SLR 9 $9,000
2015 Trek Émonda SLR 9 WSD $9,000
2015 Trek Émonda SLR 8 $4,400
2015 Trek Émonda SLR 6 $2,200
2015 Trek Custom Madone 7 Series $8,500
2015 Trek Madone 7.9 $8,500
2015 Trek Madone 7.9 WSD $8,500
2015 Trek Madone 7.7 $4,200
2015 Trek Custom Silque SSL $3,500
2015 Trek Silque SSL $3,500
2015 Trek Custom Domane 6 Series $3,800
2015 Trek Domane 6.9 Disc $4,800
2015 Trek Domane 6.9 $4,200
2015 Trek Domane 6.2 Disc $2,100
2015 Trek Boone 9 Disc $3,200
2015 Trek Crockett 9 Disc $2,200
2015 Trek Custom Speed Concept 9 Series $8,500
2015 Trek Speed Concept 9.9 $8,500
2015 Trek Speed Concept 9.8 $4,800
2015 Trek Speed Concept 9.5 $3,000
2015 Trek Speed Concept 9.5 WSD $3,000

Trek 2015 Mountain Bikes:
2015 Trek Custom Superfly FS 9.9 SL $5,300
2015 Trek Superfly FS 9.9 SL XTR $5,300
2015 Trek Superfly FS 9.9 SL XX1 $6,400
2015 Trek Superfly FS 9.8 SL $2,200
2015 Trek Custom Superfly 9.9 SL $4,300
2015 Trek Superfly 9.9 SL XTR $4,300
2015 Trek Superfly 9.9 SL XX1 $5,300
2015 Trek Superfly 9.8 SL $2,000
2015 Trek Lush Carbon 27.5 $2,500
2015 Trek Remedy 9.9 27.5 $5,300
2015 Trek Remedy 9.8 27.5 $2,500
2015 Trek Remedy 9.9 29 $5,300
2015 Trek Remedy 9.8 29 $2,500
2015 Trek Custom Fuel EX 9.9 29 $5,300
2015 Trek Fuel EX 9.9 29 XTR $5,300
2015 Trek Fuel EX 9.9 29 XX1 $6,400
2015 Trek Fuel EX 9.8 29 $2,200
2015 Trek Fuel EX 9.9 27.5 Di2 $6,400
2015 Trek Fuel EX 9.9 27.5 $5,300
2015 Trek Fuel EX 9.8 27.5 $2,200
2015 Trek Slash 9.9 27.5 $5,300
2015 Trek Slash 9.8 27.5 $2,700
2015 Trek Session 9.9 DH 27.5 $5,900
2015 Trek Session 9.8 Park 26 $3,800
2015 Trek Session 88 DH 27.5 $2,200

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota

John B.

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Jun 26, 2016, 1:45:45 AM6/26/16
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 05:48:51 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:

>Can you imagine the stupidity of anyone crazy enough to spend thousands of
>dollars on a bike just to be able to ride single track trails when you can
>walk them for free. If you can, then join the club of ultimate Assholes -
>Mountain Bikers! Not only do they spend this kind of money, but they also
>manage to injure and kill themselves doing it. It is the ultimate
>Jackassery!
>
>Further, can you imagine spending $9000 and then having no
>good place to ride it? (psychologists call that
>"Cognitive Dissonance"). That's why mountain
>bikers are always beating the bushes to find or make new trails which is a
>criminal activity.
>
>I say not only death to mountain biking, but death to mountain bikers
>themselves. I rejoice when I hear of their mishaps - which prove to be on
>unending stream of reports in the media.
>
>
>Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
>
>Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?
>
>Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota

Ah, welcome back Eddy, we've missed you and, while it may be old age,
we'd completely forgotten about a bicycle having wheels. Thank you for
remind us. It certainly is embarrassing to be a cyclist and forget
about the wheels.

I did delete your pretentious posting of the cost of those demon
mountain bikes, but I'm afraid that you missed some important costs.

You see, I did a little research and have discovered that the "hikers"
are also paying large sums of money to equip themselves for their
arduous trips

From what I read, the basic equipment for the serious hiker is some
$1241.00. Just to take a walk in the woods.

This itemized list shows the following:

Hiking boots Saloman - $240

Pole Leki carbon fiber - $200
"The Leki Carbon Ti is a sweet lightweight pole that features the most
comfortable foam grip in our review."

Hat - Tilley LTM6 Airflo Hat - $84.00

Jacket - THERMOBALL\u2122 JACKET - $220

Shirt - MEN\u2019S EXPLORE FLEECE CREW Shirt - $40.00

Pack - Osprey Atmos 65 AG Pack - $259.95

Pants - Arc'teryx Gamma LT - $179

Socks - Lorpen PrimaLoft Midweight Hiker Crew Sock - $22

Underwear - Both men's and women's

Note: being a polite gentleman I did not feel it necessary to
investigate these intimate items of apparel but I did notice that they
come in both male and female versions and some of them have
"anti-chafe" properties.

It is interesting that while the modern hiker requires some $1,241 to
outfit himself for a walk in the woods The initial request for funding
the Lewis and Clark expedition that hiked over half way across the
entire U.S. was $2,500.

I thought the description of the $200 hiking with the comfortable foam
grip, was particularly revealing. One can only assume that the modern
"hiker" is a rather effete individual with soft hands.

Can you imagine if one gets a blister on his/her finger? "Oh, Quick!
Call 911 and get me a helicopter ambulance to the hospital".

Another item of interest is "how do these hikers get to the forest?
Well being "trekkers" one would assume that they would walk, but
apparently they don't as every forest or park seems to have a large
parking lot. Strangely it appears that modern "trekkers" don't
actually trek.

It is apparent that the modern "Trekker" is a soft effete individual
with tender hands who drives to the forest, dons over a thousand
dollars of clothing and "treks" through the forest for, perhaps, 4
hours and then drives home imagining that he is a real men. And being
exhausted, goes to bed early.

How Pitiful you are.
--
cheers,

John B.

EdwardDolan

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Jun 26, 2016, 4:31:03 AM6/26/16
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"John B." wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 05:48:51 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:

>Can you imagine the stupidity of anyone crazy enough to spend thousands of
>dollars on a bike just to be able to ride single track trails when you can
>walk them for free. If you can, then join the club of ultimate Assholes -
>Mountain Bikers! Not only do they spend this kind of money, but they also
>manage to injure and kill themselves doing it. It is the ultimate
>Jackassery!
>
>Further, can you imagine spending $9000 and then having no
>good place to ride it? (psychologists call that
>"Cognitive Dissonance"). That's why mountain
>bikers are always beating the bushes to find or make new trails which is a
>criminal activity.
>
>I say not only death to mountain biking, but death to mountain bikers
>themselves. I rejoice when I hear of their mishaps - which prove to be on
>unending stream of reports in the media.
>
>
>Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
>
>Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?
>
>Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota
[...]

I see that John B.(Bullshitter) has at long last posted some content, so he
will reap the reward of a reply.

>> I did delete your pretentious posting of the cost of those demon
mountain bikes, but I'm afraid that you missed some important costs.

Even I, a bicycles enthusiast, was taken aback by the cost of high end
bicycles these days!
All of the above listed costs for hiking are absurd, especially for day
hikes. But even overnight hikes do not cost much more. Any and all hiking
and camping gear that I have ever used were bought at stores like K-Mart and
Wal-Mart. What the hell are you blathering about anyway? And what the fuck
is a hiking pole?

>> Can you imagine if one gets a blister on his/her finger? "Oh, Quick!
Call 911 and get me a helicopter ambulance to the hospital".

An example here of John B.(Bullshitter) wit and humor. Anyone think this is
funny?

>> Another item of interest is "how do these hikers get to the forest?
Well being "trekkers" one would assume that they would walk, but
apparently they don't as every forest or park seems to have a large
parking lot. Strangely it appears that modern "trekkers" don't
actually trek.

If you tried to trek the highways and byways of this country you would not
last long. Too many motor vehicles.

>> It is apparent that the modern "Trekker" is a soft effete individual
with tender hands who drives to the forest, dons over a thousand
dollars of clothing and "treks" through the forest for, perhaps, 4
hours and then drives home imagining that he is a real men. And being
exhausted, goes to bed early.

I think you have just described yourself above. I hiked for a solid 10 years
all over the country when I was in the decade of my 30s, and I did it on a
shoe string. I never imagined I was a real man, but I did imagine that I was
gaining an experience of a human being connecting with the natural world and
with Mother Earth. In all that time, I NEVER encountered a single mountain
bike on any trail. I took all of that for granted, never realizing just how
rare an experience I had. Too bad idiots like you will never know what you
have missed.

>> How Pitiful you are.

Save it for yourself, you god damn fucking moron.

news16

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Jun 26, 2016, 4:58:41 AM6/26/16
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

> And what the fuck is a hiking pole?

Our highest mountain is named after one of them.

>

John B.

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Jun 26, 2016, 8:38:55 PM6/26/16
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:58:40 -0000 (UTC), news16 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
>
>> And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
>
>Our highest mountain is named after one of them.
>

Gee, Old Eddy the "hiker" doesn't know what a hiking pole is? And
apparently he doesn't know how google search works either as when I
goggled on "hiking pole" I got 3,330,000 hits.

It sort of makes one wonder... is he really a hiker? If he is why
doesn't he know what a hiking pole is? After all nearly throe and a
half million other people know about hiking poles. But Eddie the Boy
doesn't.

Perhaps he isn't a hiker. Perhaps he is just a old foggy who wants to
get his name in the newspaper. After all hardly anyone knew his mentor
out there in California until he attacked a biker with a saw. Wow!~
Then he got his name in the news.

Maybe that is Eddie's plan. But being a bit cowardly it is obvious
that he is terrified going to jail as his hero did, so likely he is
sort of slinking around the edges of being a real, true, brave, anti
biker and to prove how intrepid he is he posted a cut and paste effort
listing many, many, mountain bikes and their prices.

Our hero the nemesis of the mountain bikers.

)or maybe just the local idiot)
--
cheers,

John B.

John B.

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Jun 26, 2016, 8:38:58 PM6/26/16
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
Oh, you hiked for a decade? 10 years? Of hiking? No working? You must
have had very indulgent parents to support you for all those years.

And you "gaining an experience of a human being connecting with the
natural world and with Mother Earth".

What utter nonsense. Can you explain just what this "being connected
with the natural world" means? You lived under a tree and raised your
own food? Or maybe you cut down the primeval trees and built your own
cabin?

No, you didn't do that, what you actually did was wonder around, with
your stove bought gear, on trails built by someone else, and
fantasized that you were communing with nature.

The word commune, as you seem to use it means "communicate intimately
with; be in a state of heightened, intimate receptivity".

So, intimate reception... with a tree? Did you talk with them? Did
they answer?

Ed, even today there are a very large areas all over the world where
there actually is untouched wilderness. If this communing is such an
important thing why aren't you somewhere in Northern Canada, Alaska,
Borneo, maybe New Guinea, Mongolia, Tibet, to name a few. if you were
really "connecting with the natural world" wouldn't an actual
uninhabited wilderness provide a much more satisfying experience.

But you don't care for that do you. You don't actually want to go out
into the in primitive areas. Why they don't have air conditioning.

What you actually want some sort of pseudo primitive with little
cabins to sleep in, flush toilets and running water. Then you can
enjoy communing with nature... oh, don't forget the mosquito spray.

You appear to be either a complete phony or the sort of person who has
a pet rock.

>
>Save it for yourself, you god damn fucking moron.

So, you object hearing the truth, and reply with curses and filthy
language.

>
--
cheers,

John B.

EdwardDolan

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"John B." wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:58:40 -0000 (UTC), news16 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
>
>> And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
>
>Our highest mountain is named after one of them.
>
>>> Gee, Old Eddy the "hiker" doesn't know what a hiking pole is? And
apparently he doesn't know how google search works either as when I
goggled on "hiking pole" I got 3,330,000 hits.

All you know is how to Google. You also have no idea of what "hits" are
about. The problem remains the same - you are an idiot!

>>> It sort of makes one wonder... is he really a hiker? If he is why
doesn't he know what a hiking pole is? After all nearly throe and a
half million other people know about hiking poles. But Eddie the Boy
doesn't.

And you have never heard of anyone who went hiking without a fucking hiking
pole? How about sticking one up your dumb ass.

>>> Perhaps he isn't a hiker. Perhaps he is just a old foggy who wants to
get his name in the newspaper. After all hardly anyone knew his mentor
out there in California until he attacked a biker with a saw. Wow!~
Then he got his name in the news.

Everyone in the mountain biking community knows full well the Great Mike
Vandeman - and they fear him besides. The kind of Assholes they don’t know
are imbeciles like you.

>>> Maybe that is Eddie's plan. But being a bit cowardly it is obvious
that he is terrified going to jail as his hero did, so likely he is
sort of slinking around the edges of being a real, true, brave, anti
biker and to prove how intrepid he is he posted a cut and paste effort
listing many, many, mountain bikes and their prices.

Careful, you could be sued for libel. Cut and paste saves lots of effort.
Why reinvent the wheel?

I am perfectly content to continue to kick dumb asses like yours. The only
cowards here are anonymous posters like you do not use their real names. Now
go fuck yourself and quit bothering the honorable members of this noble
newsgroup.
[...]

news16

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Jun 27, 2016, 6:23:02 AM6/27/16
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:14:31 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

> "John B." wrote in message
> news:rrbvmbhonnm2gp6re...@4ax.com...
>
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:58:40 -0000 (UTC), news16 <new...@woa.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
>>
>>> And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
>>
>>Our highest mountain is named after one of them.
>>
>>>> Gee, Old Eddy the "hiker" doesn't know what a hiking pole is? And
> apparently he doesn't know how google search works either as when I
> goggled on "hiking pole" I got 3,330,000 hits.
>
> All you know is how to Google. You also have no idea of what "hits" are
> about. The problem remains the same - you are an idiot!

Nope, Ed, you're the idiot. You got served with your own medicine and
walked right into the joke.

EdwardDolan

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Jun 27, 2016, 6:55:34 AM6/27/16
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"John B." wrote in message
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When the hell are you ever going to learn how to edit a post?
[...]

>>> It is apparent that the modern "Trekker" is a soft effete individual
>with tender hands who drives to the forest, dons over a thousand
>dollars of clothing and "treks" through the forest for, perhaps, 4
>hours and then drives home imagining that he is a real men. And being
>exhausted, goes to bed early.

Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>I think you have just described yourself above. I hiked for a solid 10
>years
>all over the country when I was in the decade of my 30s, and I did it on a
>shoe string. I never imagined I was a real man, but I did imagine that I
>was
>gaining an experience of a human being connecting with the natural world
>and
>with Mother Earth. In all that time, I NEVER encountered a single mountain
>bike on any trail. I took all of that for granted, never realizing just how
>rare an experience I had. Too bad idiots like you will never know what you
>have missed.
>

>>>> Oh, you hiked for a decade? 10 years? Of hiking? No working? You must
have had very indulgent parents to support you for all those years.

I was smart, something that I am sure no one has ever accused you of being.

>>>> And you "gaining an experience of a human being connecting with the
natural world and with Mother Earth".

>>>> What utter nonsense. Can you explain just what this "being connected
with the natural world" means? You lived under a tree and raised your
own food? Or maybe you cut down the primeval trees and built your own
cabin?

What are you - a survivalist? Jesus Christ Almighty - you are even dumber
than I thought possible. At least now I know who they make those dumb TV
programs for - like "naked and afraid".

A walk in a natural landscape is almost a religious experience, provided you
believe in that sort of thing. But to me, it is an experience of being
connected to the universe, one devoid of God. Even so, it is highly
spiritual. I pity poor slobs like you who do not have a clue about any of
this. But I want you and your god damn fucking bikes to stay off of single
track trails. You are desecrating my cathedrals. Fuck you and all you stand
for!

The following total idiocy deleted for the usual reasons.
[...]

>>>> Ed, even today there are a very large areas all over the world where
there actually is untouched wilderness. If this communing is such an
important thing why aren't you somewhere in Northern Canada, Alaska,
Borneo, maybe New Guinea, Mongolia, Tibet, to name a few. if you were
really "connecting with the natural world" wouldn't an actual
uninhabited wilderness provide a much more satisfying experience.

No one needs "untouched wilderness". A relatively untouched wilderness is
all that any sane person ever needs to get a sense of our roots as a species
and of our place in the grand scheme of things. Or do you think we and the
universe sprang from the Head of God? There is nothing so refreshing as a
simple walk in the woods, or in the desert, or in any relatively untouched
landscape. Too bad you are too stupid to know any of this. Maybe try
rereading Thoreau to get a clue.

>>>> But you don't care for that do you. You don't actually want to go out
into the in primitive areas. Why they don't have air conditioning.

>>>> What you actually want some sort of pseudo primitive with little
cabins to sleep in, flush toilets and running water. Then you can
enjoy communing with nature... oh, don't forget the mosquito spray.

>>>> You appear to be either a complete phony or the sort of person who has
a pet rock.

You have just described yourself in the above 3 paragraphs. The world of
hikers is closed to you just as it is to all those who mountain bike on
single track trails.

EdwardDolan

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Jun 27, 2016, 7:07:22 AM6/27/16
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"news16" wrote in message news:nkquq5$mon$6...@dont-email.me...
As usual, news16 is a man of few words, and those that he does post are
always a bit cryptic. What is this mountain that is named after a hiking
pole?

By the way, I was posting my contempt for those who feel a need for such a
ridiculous object as a hiking pole. Very funny that you did not pick up on
that.

John B.

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Jun 27, 2016, 9:37:32 PM6/27/16
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:55:33 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
You know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.

You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a
decade, communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who
supported you while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy
and daddy? They paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the
bushes?

Now, I don't want to speak ill of someone's ancestors but even if you
were so obnoxious that they were willing to pay to get you out of the
house., still 10 years? Just to keep Eddie away far away? One might
say, that it does stretch the imagination, just a little.

Next you reveal that you don't know what a "hiking pole" is. An item
that millions of other hikers know, apparently intimately as a major
sales point seems to be that it has a soft and luxurious hand grip.

So, you claim, that you spent 10 years engaged is the wandering around
in the forest game and at the same time you have no knowledge of this,
apparently essential item that others are willing to pay two hundred
American dollars to obtain.

Strange, isn't it?

As they say, "you have to buy a copy of the program if you want to
know the players", but apparently you didn't buy a program

In short Eddie, you are looking more and more like a phony. A guy that
spent 10 years doing it and don't know the names of the gear? Sort of
like a bloke that tells you about how he spent his life as a mechanic
and when you mention a "wrench" he doesn't know what you are talking
about.....

Nope, Eddy, I think that you have "outed" yourself. Not a "hiker" but
just an decrepit old fool trying to play the game without knowing
anything about it.

No more Eddie the Great". It is "Edward the Phony".
--
cheers,

John B.

John B.

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 10:23:01 -0000 (UTC), news16 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:14:31 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
>
>> "John B." wrote in message
>> news:rrbvmbhonnm2gp6re...@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:58:40 -0000 (UTC), news16 <new...@woa.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
>>>
>>>> And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
>>>
>>>Our highest mountain is named after one of them.
>>>
>>>>> Gee, Old Eddy the "hiker" doesn't know what a hiking pole is? And
>> apparently he doesn't know how google search works either as when I
>> goggled on "hiking pole" I got 3,330,000 hits.
>>
>> All you know is how to Google. You also have no idea of what "hits" are
>> about. The problem remains the same - you are an idiot!
>
>Nope, Ed, you're the idiot. You got served with your own medicine and
>walked right into the joke.

It isn't a joke really. It is sort of like a guy that wants to play
ball. So, after much whining the guys say, O.K., you can play and they
throw him this round thing and he says, "what's this?"

Nope, it is Edward the Phony from here on out.

Phony - "a person who professes beliefs and knowledge that he or she
does not hold in order to conceal his or her real motives"

What's the old saying, "If it fits, wear it"?
--
cheers,

John B.

news16

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:37:28 +0700, John B. wrote:


>>Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota
>>
>>
> You know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.
>
> You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a decade,
> communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who supported you
> while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy and daddy? They
> paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the bushes?

Wow, Ed was a remittance man. got a weekly income from Mummy and Daddy to
flick off somewhere and not embarass the family. Very common in the Pommy
toffs

John B.

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 06:35:04 -0000 (UTC), news16 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:37:28 +0700, John B. wrote:
>
>
>>>Ed Dolan the Great ? Minnesota
>>>
>>>
>> You know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.
>>
>> You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a decade,
>> communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who supported you
>> while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy and daddy? They
>> paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the bushes?
>
>Wow, Ed was a remittance man. got a weekly income from Mummy and Daddy to
>flick off somewhere and not embarass the family. Very common in the Pommy
>toffs

I actually knew a "remittance man" or at least that is what we
surmised him to be. English bloke from up north someplace. I knew him
for ten years or more and in all that time I never heard him mention a
job. Plenty of tales about having lived in hippy communes, visited
Ireland, travels in Scotland, etc., lived on the beach with a girl,
but never a mention of a job, or work.

It was obvious that he had some sort of remittance as the first of the
month he'd be flush with cash and would say things like, "Fix it? Just
throw money at it" and toward the end of the month he'd be caging
drinks. Slap his pocket and look amazed, "Oh! I forgot my money."

He wasn't a bad guy but a five minute conversation and you could
figure out why the family was happy to have him away from home :-)

When he died his daughter came over to settle things and of course all
the blokes who had known him made sure to meet her and tell her how
sorry that were to see the old boy gone, extend sympathy and the
usual. She just stood there, no tears, straight face, just like
someone told her what time it was.

I think the term is "No love lost".
--
cheers,

John B.

EdwardDolan

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"John B." wrote in message
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[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

>> All you know is how to Google. You also have no idea of what "hits" are
>> about. The problem remains the same - you are an idiot!
[...]

>>> It isn't a joke really. It is sort of like a guy that wants to play
ball. So, after much whining the guys say, O.K., you can play and they
throw him this round thing and he says, "what's this?"

>>> Nope, it is Edward the Phony from here on out.

>>> Phony - "a person who professes beliefs and knowledge that he or she
does not hold in order to conceal his or her real motives"

>>> What's the old saying, "If it fits, wear it"?

"All you know is how to Google. You also have no idea of what "hits" are
about. The problem remains the same - you are an idiot!" - Ed Dolan

EdwardDolan

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"John B." wrote in message
news:hri3nbdh7fq5h0a71...@4ax.com...
[...]

> You know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.

> You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a
decade, communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who
supported you while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy
and daddy? They paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the
bushes?

What fucking business is that of yours? Note well that I am not the least
bit interested in ANYTHING about you ... except your views on what hiking
trails are for.

Following shit deleted for the usual reasons.
[...]

> Next you reveal that you don't know what a "hiking pole" is. An item
that millions of other hikers know, apparently intimately as a major
sales point seems to be that it has a soft and luxurious hand grip.

> Hiking poles are for slobs like you. I never had any use for them, being
> quite steady on my feet.

> So, you claim, that you spent 10 years engaged is the wandering around
in the forest game and at the same time you have no knowledge of this,
apparently essential item that others are willing to pay two hundred
American dollars to obtain.

"Hiking poles are for slobs like you. I never had any use for them, being
quite steady on my feet." - Ed Dolan

"Following shit deleted for the usual reasons." - Ed Dolan

> --
cheers,

> John B.

Take your "cheers" and shoved it up your ass, you dumb fucking moron.

Most repair manuals are far more interesting than you, and far less turgid
to read. I'd get more pleasure from running my nostrils down a cactus, than
reading another contribution from you. Maybe you wouldn't come across as
such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you didn't have an intellect
rivaled only by the Village Idiot's stupider brother;

Here's a tip: no one will ever know that you've had a lobotomy if you wear a
wig to hide the scars; stop posting your drivel on message boards, and learn
to control the slobbering. Clearly, the full area of your ignorance is not
yet mapped. We are presently only exploring the fringes of that vast
expanse.

Are you normally this dumb or are you just having a blonde moment? Wouldn't
clues have more room to fit in your head if you got rid of some of the
gobbledygook in there?

In closing, I offer these heartfelt words: Go suck on a frozen pineapple,
asshole.

EdwardDolan

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Others always profess interest in me whereas I never profess any interest in
others. That is because I am not interested in others - and that is also why
I am Great and you aren't. Hells Bells, even John B.(Bullshitter) is not
interested in you like he is in Me. I suppose I should be flattered, but
what idiots like the two of you say or think does not register on a mind so
Great as mine. Greatness requires Greatness and that is something I will
never find on Usenet. Alas, only Lilliputians reside here.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

EdwardDolan

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"John B." wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 06:35:04 -0000 (UTC), news16 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:
[...]

>Wow, Ed was a remittance man. got a weekly income from Mummy and Daddy to
>flick off somewhere and not embarass the family. Very common in the Pommy
>toffs

>> I actually knew a "remittance man" or at least that is what we
surmised him to be. English bloke from up north someplace. I knew him
for ten years or more and in all that time I never heard him mention a
job. Plenty of tales about having lived in hippy communes, visited
Ireland, travels in Scotland, etc., lived on the beach with a girl,
but never a mention of a job, or work.

>> It was obvious that he had some sort of remittance as the first of the
month he'd be flush with cash and would say things like, "Fix it? Just
throw money at it" and toward the end of the month he'd be caging
drinks. Slap his pocket and look amazed, "Oh! I forgot my money."

>> He wasn't a bad guy but a five minute conversation and you could
figure out why the family was happy to have him away from home :-)

>> When he died his daughter came over to settle things and of course all
the blokes who had known him made sure to meet her and tell her how
sorry that were to see the old boy gone, extend sympathy and the
usual. She just stood there, no tears, straight face, just like
someone told her what time it was.

>> I think the term is "No love lost".

Whereas John B.(Bullshitter) will be mourned by one and all when he passes -
for all the good it will do him in Hell where he will be consigned for
cycling on hiking trails.

But what any of this has to do with the topic of this thread escapes me.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

news16

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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:08:26 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

>
> Whereas John B.(Bullshitter) will be mourned by one and all when he
> passes

So he will be remembered whereas who was that koook!.

news16

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:39:12 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

> "John B." wrote in message
> news:hri3nbdh7fq5h0a71...@4ax.com...
> [...]
>
>> You know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.
>
>> You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a
> decade, communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who
> supported you while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy and
> daddy? They paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the
> bushes?
>
> What fucking business is that of yours? Note well that I am not the
> least bit interested in ANYTHING about you
But you slavishly reply to him. go figure.

John B.

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:56:50 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
Incidentally Doolie, I heard, on another site, the term "Fagot"or
maybe it was "Faggot" mentioned in connection with your name. I looked
in the dictionary and I see "Faggot - a bundle of sticks and branches
bound together". Were they referring to your mentality? "Dumb as a
Faggot"? I grew up in northern New England and it was "dumb as a
stump", in the local vernacular.

As for bicycle wheels. It is positively amazing, but I've got four of
them things and by gorry, is every one of them ain't got wheels. You
obviously have a very penetrating mind.

Tell us, did you figure out the wheel thing all by your self? Or did
you have help?
--
cheers,

John B.

EdwardDolan

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"John B." wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:56:50 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
[...]

>Others always profess interest in me whereas I never profess any interest
>in
>others. That is because I am not interested in others - and that is also
>why
>I am Great and you aren't. Hells Bells, even John B.(Bullshitter) is not
>interested in you like he is in Me. I suppose I should be flattered, but
>what idiots like the two of you say or think does not register on a mind so
>Great as mine. Greatness requires Greatness and that is something I will
>never find on Usenet. Alas, only Lilliputians reside here.

>> Incidentally Doolie, I heard, on another site, the term "Fagot"or
maybe it was "Faggot" mentioned in connection with your name. I looked
in the dictionary and I see "Faggot - a bundle of sticks and branches
bound together". Were they referring to your mentality? "Dumb as a
Faggot"? I grew up in northern New England and it was "dumb as a
stump", in the local vernacular.

The only dumb faggot here is yoursefl.

EdwardDolan

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Who cares who remembers who! Everyone is eventually forgotten in short
order.

EdwardDolan

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I am only reply to him with respect to content, same as for you. Trust me on
this, I am as uninterested in him as a person as I am in you. Very odd
though that he should be so interested in me - don’t you think? I suspect he
is what he charges others of being - "a dumb faggot".

news16

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On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 09:49:09 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

> "news16" wrote in message news:nl2tr4$a4j$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:08:26 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
>
>
>> Whereas John B.(Bullshitter) will be mourned by one and all when he
>> passes
>
>>> So he will be remembered whereas who was that koook!.
>
> Who cares who remembers who! Everyone is eventually forgotten in short
> order.

Not every one.

John B.

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On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 09:53:15 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
Ah, an explanation.
As I know that I am not a bundle of wood, so he must he equating
"faggot" to the other kind. The ones that don't look like a bundle of
sticks, so it seems likely that the other references I read about
Dolan as a "faggot" must have been a description of his habits rather
than of his mental capacity.

O.K., now that we've got that cleared up and he is "out of the closet"
so to speak, are there any scintillating descriptions of his
activities while hanging around the public toilets? Gee.... that must
be an exciting pastime. Smelly, but than, I guess that some probably
get excited from smells.

Someone wrote a song, "Pretty as a Rose, I believe the title may have
been that has a few lines in it, "He's pretty as a rose; He wears his
sister's clothes, We don't know what to call him; But we think he's
one of those."

One can only speculate who (or maybe "what") that description fits.

But in thinking about it one can only wonder. After all, a bloke who's
parents pay him to stay away for ten years.... who is publicly
referred to as a "faggot"..... Well there is an old saying that "no
smoke, no fire".

Ah well, in the U.S. apparently it is no longer hidden. I see that the
U.S. Military now accepts "deviants", I think they referred to them
as.

--
cheers,

John B.

EdwardDolan

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Name at least a half a dozen figures from the Hittite civilization and tell
us what they were famous for - just off the top of your head of course? Only
a scholar of that civilization can do it - which points up how quickly and
how easily all of us are forgotten, no matter how much renown we might have
had briefly in our own period of time. Usually within a generation or two it
is as if we had never lived.

But will someone like Beethoven eventually be forgotten? Yes, even Beethoven
will eventually be forgotten!

Here is a universal piece of wisdom for you and for all those who think they
matter:

"Once I wasn’t'. Then I was. Now I ain't again." From an epitaph on a
tombstone in a Cleveland cemetery.

EdwardDolan

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"John B." wrote in message
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Anyone who is as interested in the subject of faggots as you have
demonstrated above means of course that you are one yourself. Since you have
let the cat out of the bag, why not just own up to it and quit beating about
the bush? No one in the world cares about your sexual fornications. Why not
be proud of being a faggot? You have lots of company these days.

>>>> --
cheers,

>>>> John B.

Take your "cheers" and shoved it up your ass, you dumb fucking moron.

Most repair manuals are far more interesting than you, and far less turgid
to read. I'd get more pleasure from running my nostrils down a cactus, than
reading another contribution from you. Maybe you wouldn't come across as
such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you didn't have an intellect
rivaled only by the Village Idiot's stupider brother;

Here's a tip: no one will ever know that you've had a lobotomy if you wear a
wig to hide the scars; stop posting your drivel on message boards, and learn
to control the slobbering. Clearly, the full area of your ignorance is not
yet mapped. We are presently only exploring the fringes of that vast
expanse.

Are you normally this dumb or are you just having a blonde moment? Wouldn't
clues have more room to fit in your head if you got rid of some of the
gobbledygook in there?

In closing, I offer these heartfelt words: Go suck on a frozen pineapple,
asshole.

news16

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:16:51 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

> "news16" wrote in message news:nlcbl7$7t5$4...@dont-email.me...
>
> On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 09:49:09 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
>
>> "news16" wrote in message news:nl2tr4$a4j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:08:26 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Whereas John B.(Bullshitter) will be mourned by one and all when he
>>> passes
>>
>>>> So he will be remembered whereas who was that koook!.
>>
>> Who cares who remembers who! Everyone is eventually forgotten in short
>> order.
>
>>>>> Not every one.
>
> Name at least a half a dozen figures from the Hittite civilization
Easy;Lambada, Hattusili, Mursili, Murshilish, Mitanni, and Telepini makes
six. In return, you can write their name in the script of the time.

EdwardDolan

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"news16" wrote in message news:nliumi$pv0$2...@dont-email.me...

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:16:51 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
[...]

> Name at least a half a dozen figures from the Hittite civilization ...

>> Easy;Lambada, Hattusili, Mursili, Murshilish, Mitanni, and Telepini makes
six. In return, you can write their name in the script of the time.

That was NOT off the top of your head. You had to look it up in an archive.
Since that was the case, they have been forgotten by all except for what has
been written about them by a few scholars, just as you and I will be
forgotten by all shortly after our deaths. Get used to it - we are all
nonentities in the grand scheme of time. Even these Usenet newsgroups and
our blather here will vanish into thin air no matter how hard Google tries
to preserve our words for posterity.

Here is a universal piece of wisdom for you and for all those who think they
matter:

"Once I wasn’t'. Then I was. Now I ain't again." - from an epitaph on a

John B.

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On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 06:31:49 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:


>Take your "cheers" and shoved it up your ass, you dumb fucking moron.
>

Gee Eddie, I hate to tell you but "up your ass" while likely an
expression of affection in your group is hardly a term that is
universally used. Particularly in polite circles.

But I suppose that one has to view with a bit of leeway someone who
spent an entire decade wandering around in the bushes apparently
without contact with civilization.

It would seem though, that when you just a young sprout you must have
been pretty obnoxious else why would your parents be so eager to get
you out of the house? And pay you to stay away.

But, "dumb fucking moron"? Well, I'm sorry but I'm not sure that is
correct as in fact it seem pretty obvious that I am considerably more
intelligent they you. After all I have known for years and years and
years, that a "Bi" "Cycle" has two wheels, a fact that you seem to
believe is some sort of revelation from, perhaps the "Forest
Primeval", as you mention it in every post.

I suppose that you are trying to inform the unwashed American Hikers
of your great discovery, "My goodness Irving, did you
know, actually know, that a bicycle has two, just imagine it, two
wheels? Isn't that perfectly lovely?"

I guess that along with your weird sexual habits you are probably a
bit forgetful? Old age is it?

Of course there possibly is a simpler explanation, and while I, of
course, would never mention it but you might be a bit feeble minded,
or more in line with American political correctness, "Mentally
Challenged".

Now Dooly, you aren't one of those who are attracted to young boys are
you? With your poor memory I feel that I really should remind you that
the American public, in general, takes a very dim view of that kind of
thing and, heaven forbid, they will even put you in the jail house for
years and years for acting out your visions of ecstasy. NO Dooly,
don't do that, it is very, very naughty to even think it.

But I must go now. I have to take my (female) spouse shopping (I know
that you believe a "female" spouse is a bit unusual) but there it is,
us "normals" are a bit odd.

But do try, with your timely posts, to keep us acquainted with what
the (what should one say?) the queer hikers, the strange hikers, the
faggot hikers? (I'm just not acquainted with current terminology) are
doing these days.
--
cheers,

John B.

news16

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 09:16:18 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:

> "news16" wrote in message news:nliumi$pv0$2...@dont-email.me...
>
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:16:51 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
> [...]
>
>> Name at least a half a dozen figures from the Hittite civilization ...
>
>>> Easy;Lambada, Hattusili, Mursili, Murshilish, Mitanni, and Telepini
>>> makes
> six. In return, you can write their name in the script of the time.
>
> That was NOT off the top of your head.
Your claim, I studied Ancient History.

EdwardDolan

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