Gary Sokolich - 3688

[Gary Sokolisch]

3688

W Gary Sokolich
801 Kings Road
Newport Beach, CA 92663-5715
(949) 650-5379
Local PD
949-644-3681

Residence:
1029 S Point View St
Los Angeles CA 90035
(310) 650-5379

and
5309 Victoria Ave., Los Angeles, CA, 90043




http://web.archive.org/web/20080821231423/http://www.tbpe.state.tx.us/da/da022808.htm

TEXAS BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS
February 28, 2008 Board Meeting Disciplinary Actions

W. Gary Sokolich , Newport Beach, California – File B-29812 - It was
alleged that. Sokolich unlawfully offered or attempted to practice
engineering in Texas (...) Sokolich chose to end the proceedings by
signing a Consent Order that was accepted by the Board to cease and desist
from representing himself as an “Engineer” in Texas, from any and all
representations that he can offer or perform engineering services and from
the actual practice of engineering in Texas (...) Sokolich was also
assessed a $1,360.00 administrative penalty.

_______________

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-04-14/local/me-1922_1_ucla-researcher

A former UCLA employee has agreed to provide copies of his research to
the school to settle a lawsuit the university filed against him in 1985,
lawyers in the case said.

(...)

The University of California Board of Regents filed a $620,000 lawsuit
against Sokolich, accusing him of taking research on the hearing
capabilities of animals in June, 1982. Sokolich was dismissed by UCLA
(...).

(...)

[Mamma Wesolowski]

On Dec 29, 4:10 am, psychopath Jack Wesolowski trolling and spmming

the UseNet as Gary Sokolisch <SokolischSpe...@moonbat.com> wrote:
> 3688
>
> W Gary Sokolich
> 801 Kings Road
> Newport Beach, CA 92663-5715
> (949) 650-5379
> Local PD
> 949-644-3681
>
> Residence:
> 1029 S Point View St
> Los Angeles CA 90035
> (310) 650-5379
>
> and
> 5309 Victoria Ave., Los Angeles, CA, 90043
>

> http://web.archive.org/web/20080821231423/http://www.tbpe.state.tx.us...

>
> TEXAS BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS
> February 28, 2008 Board Meeting Disciplinary Actions
>
>  W. Gary Sokolich , Newport Beach, California – File B-29812 - It was
> alleged that. Sokolich unlawfully offered or attempted to practice
> engineering in Texas (...)  Sokolich chose to end the proceedings by
> signing a Consent Order that was accepted by the Board to cease and desist
> from representing himself as an “Engineer” in Texas, from any and all
> representations that he can offer or perform engineering services and from
> the actual practice of engineering in Texas (...)  Sokolich was also
> assessed a $1,360.00 administrative penalty.
>
> _______________
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/1988-04-14/local/me-1922_1_ucla-researcher
>
> A former UCLA employee has agreed to provide copies of his research to
> the school to settle a lawsuit the university filed against him in 1985,
> lawyers in the case said.
>
> (...)
>
> The University of California Board of Regents filed a $620,000 lawsuit
> against Sokolich, accusing him of taking research on the hearing
> capabilities of animals in June, 1982. Sokolich was dismissed by UCLA
> (...).
>
> (...)

That's my boy Jack Wesolowski, a 68-year old, mentally-ill ,
retired SSD worker, foul-mouthed bigot, racist, liar, spammer and
troll who has been spamming the UseNet as Gary Sokolisch since
January of 2011.

A recent ode to psychopath Jack Wesolowski, from rec.sport.boxing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.boxing/msg/336baad3954b6f51?...
http://tinyurl.com/7ldhq3b

"Way Back Jack, his mother licks my crack,
Then she sucks my dick until it's yellah.
An' his mother-fuckin' fathah doesn't so much as bother
To use some spittle when he's bung-holin' little
Boys, before they're rollin' in the shower, their 'nads all a'
swollen,
While our perverted faggot Jack laps up all their bloody turds.
He's a real low-life fellah, whose perversion escapes mere words

And one from alt.native, May 4, 2002.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.native/msg/0f12476019613f13?dmode=...
http://tinyurl.com/6ugweze

Brother Jack is a racist bigot
His mouth is a toxic old spigot
He spews out his hate
He never can wait
To find some more dolts who will dig it!

We know a white jerk named Jack
Who really wants to be black
He calls himself "brother"
Wears clothes from his mother(*)
The truth is he's just a hack

We see his rantings as racist bile
His words typically ugly and vile
The master of hate
Thank God he won't mate
Let us leave him alone for awhile

(*)
Jack Wesolowski, circa 2000
http://tinyurl.com/3dtnmpz

Meet Psychopath Jack Wesolowski, the crass, foul-mouthed, bigot,
racist, liar, spammer and troll.

Jack Wesolowski the spammer
http://tinyurl.com/3o7su5k

Jack Wesolowski the troll.
http://tinyurl.com/6ynlegl
http://tinyurl.com/5vljxag
http://tinyurl.com/3nukkeo

Jack Wesolowsk the liar.
http://tinyurl.com/6hr3lmq
http://tinyurl.com/44x4ceg

Jack Wesolowski the bigot.
http://tinyurl.com/3n5z48d
http://tinyurl.com/3h2sc48

Jack Wesolowski the racist.
http://tinyurl.com/3m3vhjb
http://tinyurl.com/3qoolnh
http://tinyurl.com/3j8gnfm
http://tinyurl.com/3c97kg7

Jack Wesolowski, aka
Bob Cain (resurrected)
joe momma
farting boar
diane roselles
dr jackal
Repeal Obama
Mothzer Roselles
Xavier
Amber Travsky
Vladimir Tschenko Badenovsky
Off the moonbat
A liberal's worst nightmare
Swatting Moonbatz
Ruth Chilton
That Sleazy Cunt Piglosi
Obama Nation is Abomination
ObamaNation=Abomination
Let it Rock
Nobama
Repeal Obama
Mother Roselles
Swatting Moonbatz
Amber Travsky
Gary Sokolisch
Weary Bruiser 1 reti...@home.net
Vladimir Badenovsky
Mike Gibson's Ghost
Gary Sokolosch
Gary Sakolich
THE REAL GARY
GARY IN ANIMAL RESEARCH
GARY THE "ENGINEER"
Calhoun
Bobby Fuller
Calhoon
Jack (windswept@home.)
JackW (windswept@home)
Windswept@home. (jack)
BroJack
Bro Jack
brojac...@my-deja.com
waybackjack
way back jack
jackweso
JackWesolowski
jackw...@email.msn.com (brojac...@my-deja.com)
Jack Wesolowski (wesolow...@freewwweb.com)
BroJ...@windswept.net (BroJack)
Windswept@Home (Jack W)
jackw...@email.msn.com (brojac...@my-deja.com)
Jack from waaaayyyyyBack

John F Wesolowski
3045 Old Washington Rd
Westminster, MD 21157
(410) 876-6914
http://tinyurl.com/6cv8t2e

[Edward Dolan]

"Mamma Wesolowski" wrote in message
news:5674577e-b095-404d...@i7g2000pbf.googlegroups.com...

> On Dec 29, 4:10 am, psychopath Jack Wesolowski trolling and spmming
the UseNet as Gary Sokolisch <SokolischSpe...@moonbat.com> wrote:

[...]

> Amber Travsky

What is the name Amber Travsky doing here in this paean to Sokolisch?

And why is this being posted to RBS?

Ed Dolan the Great

[Mmma Wesolowski]

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in news:14ff6$50e1f640$d8106f5c
$18...@KNOLOGY.NET:

> "Mamma Wesolowski" wrote in message

> news:5674577e-b095-404d-8e98-adadefb76d62

@i7g2000pbf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> On Dec 29, 4:10 am, psychopath Jack Wesolowski trolling and spmming
> the UseNet as Gary Sokolisch <SokolischSpe...@moonbat.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> Amber Travsky
>

> What is the name Amber Travsky doing here in this paean to Sokolisch?

Amber Travsky and Gary Sokolisch are just two of the numerous nyms used
by psychopath Jack Wesolowski (aka Way Back Jack) when trolling and
spamming the UseNet in recent years. You did see the list, right? Just
go to www.groups.google.com and do a search for posts by Amber Travsky.
Then read a few of the threads and pay attention to the headers. You
will often see many of the nyms on the list in the same thread. That's
psychopath Jack Wesolowski cominmg back using different nyms. Does that
answer your question?

> And why is this being posted to RBS?

For the same reason that psychopath Jack Wesolowski, posting as Gary
Sokolisch, has been spamming newsgroups with it for the past two years.

http://tinyurl.com/3o7su5k

> Ed Dolan the Great

Perhaps not so great, or you would have been able to figure this out on
your own.

[Edward Dolan]

"Mmma Wesolowski" wrote in message
news:W1nEs.23442$Id.1...@newsfe24.iad...

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in news:14ff6$50e1f640$d8106f5c
$18...@KNOLOGY.NET:

> "Mamma Wesolowski" wrote in message
> news:5674577e-b095-404d-8e98-adadefb76d62
@i7g2000pbf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> On Dec 29, 4:10 am, psychopath Jack Wesolowski trolling and spmming
> the UseNet as Gary Sokolisch <SokolischSpe...@moonbat.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> Amber Travsky
>

> What is the name Amber Travsky doing here in this paean to Sokolisch?

>>> Amber Travsky and Gary Sokolisch are just two of the numerous nyms used
by psychopath Jack Wesolowski (aka Way Back Jack) when trolling and
spamming the UseNet in recent years. You did see the list, right? Just
go to www.groups.google.com and do a search for posts by Amber Travsky.
Then read a few of the threads and pay attention to the headers. You
will often see many of the nyms on the list in the same thread. That's
psychopath Jack Wesolowski cominmg back using different nyms. Does that
answer your question?

Amber Travsky is a real name of a real person. Any post of hers that is
genuine should be read with respect and adoration. Of course, if some
scofflaw is using her name falsely, then that fact should be made known.
Those who steal names which are not their own are the scum of the earth.

What the fuck is a nym?

> And why is this being posted to RBS?

>>> For the same reason that psychopath Jack Wesolowski, posting as Gary
Sokolisch, has been spamming newsgroups with it for the past two years.

>>> http://tinyurl.com/3o7su5k

I have been monitoring RBS for 10 years and have not noted any of the crap
you are referencing.

> Ed Dolan the Great

>>> Perhaps not so great, or you would have been able to figure this out on
your own.

It would never occur to me to figure out any of this shit on my own. I like
to waste my time by contemplating my navel, not by following some asinine
threads on UseNet.

My Greatness is well known to all the cycling groups on Usenet. I am also
Holy and a Great Saint. I was formerly known as Saint Edward the Great and
had my own Order known far and wide as the Order of the Perpetual Sorrows.
I'm afraid you and your entourage can never enter my Order since you post
messages reeking of piss and shit. As you should know, cleanliness is next
to Godliness!

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great, Order of the Perpetual Sorrows, Minnesota

[Mmma Wesolowski]

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in

news:bbe14$50e250bf$d8106f5c$68...@KNOLOGY.NET:

Then take a bath, because, yu obviously haven't bathed in quite some
time.

> Ed Dolan the Great
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great, Order of the Perpetual Sorrows, Minnesota

How long have you been off your medication?

[Edward Dolan]

"Mmma Wesolowski" wrote in message news:bZsEs.4$Z0...@newsfe23.iad...

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in
news:bbe14$50e250bf$d8106f5c$68...@KNOLOGY.NET:

[...]

>> What is the name Amber Travsky doing here in this paean to Sokolisch?
>
>>>> Amber Travsky and Gary Sokolisch are just two of the numerous nyms
>>>> used
> by psychopath Jack Wesolowski (aka Way Back Jack) when trolling and
> spamming the UseNet in recent years. You did see the list, right?
> Just go to www.groups.google.com and do a search for posts by Amber
> Travsky. Then read a few of the threads and pay attention to the
> headers. You will often see many of the nyms on the list in the same
> thread. That's psychopath Jack Wesolowski cominmg back using
> different nyms. Does that answer your question?

It does not answer the question at all. Post the original Amber Travsky
message why don�t you instead of just spamming this newsgroup with your shit
message - you god damn fucking asshole!

> Amber Travsky is a real name of a real person. Any post of hers that
> is genuine should be read with respect and adoration. Of course, if
> some scofflaw is using her name falsely, then that fact should be made
> known. Those who steal names which are not their own are the scum of
> the earth.

[...]

>> And why is this being posted to RBS?
>
>>>> For the same reason that psychopath Jack Wesolowski, posting as
>>>> Gary
> Sokolisch, has been spamming newsgroups with it for the past two
> years.

The Honorable Mr. Sokolisch has not been spamming this newsgroup (RBS). The
only one who has been spamming this newsgroup is you - you god damn fucking
asshole!

> It would never occur to me to figure out any of this shit on my own.
> I like to waste my time by contemplating my navel, not by following
> some asinine threads on UseNet.
>
> My Greatness is well known to all the cycling groups on Usenet. I am
> also Holy and a Great Saint. I was formerly known as Saint Edward the
> Great and had my own Order known far and wide as the Order of the
> Perpetual Sorrows. I'm afraid you and your entourage can never enter
> my Order since you post messages reeking of piss and shit. As you
> should know, cleanliness is next to Godliness!

>>>>> Then take a bath, because, yu obviously haven't bathed in quite some
time.

You are the one who is posting a shit and piss message on this newsgroup -
you god damn fucking asshole! How about washing your filthy mouth out with a
bar of soap - you god damn fucking asshole!

[Mamma Wesolowski]

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in

news:d020d$50e50db3$d8106f5c$15...@KNOLOGY.NET:

> "Mmma Wesolowski" wrote in message news:bZsEs.4$Z0...@newsfe23.iad...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in
> news:bbe14$50e250bf$d8106f5c$68...@KNOLOGY.NET:
> [...]
>
>>> What is the name Amber Travsky doing here in this paean to
>>> Sokolisch?
>>
>>>>> Amber Travsky and Gary Sokolisch are just two of the numerous nyms
>>>>> used
>> by psychopath Jack Wesolowski (aka Way Back Jack) when trolling and
>> spamming the UseNet in recent years. You did see the list, right?
>> Just go to www.groups.google.com and do a search for posts by Amber
>> Travsky. Then read a few of the threads and pay attention to the
>> headers. You will often see many of the nyms on the list in the same
>> thread. That's psychopath Jack Wesolowski cominmg back using
>> different nyms. Does that answer your question?


> It does not answer the question at all. Post the original Amber

> Travsky message why don�t you instead of just spamming this newsgroup

> with your shit message - you god damn fucking asshole!

If you're all that interested, then look up Amber Travsky yourself. I've
pointed you to the toilet, but you'll have to take your own crap.

>> Amber Travsky is a real name of a real person. Any post of hers that
>> is genuine should be read with respect and adoration. Of course, if
>> some scofflaw is using her name falsely, then that fact should be
>> made known. Those who steal names which are not their own are the
>> scum of the earth.
> [...]
>
>>> And why is this being posted to RBS?
>>
>>>>> For the same reason that psychopath Jack Wesolowski, posting as
>>>>> Gary
>> Sokolisch, has been spamming newsgroups with it for the past two
>> years.
>
> The Honorable Mr. Sokolisch has not been spamming this newsgroup
> (RBS). The only one who has been spamming this newsgroup is you - you
> god damn fucking asshole!

Apparently, the pressure within your skull is increasing and the liquified
crap between your ears is now seeping through your eye sockets and
affecting your vision.
http://tinyurl.com/benn7mf

>> It would never occur to me to figure out any of this shit on my own.
>> I like to waste my time by contemplating my navel, not by following
>> some asinine threads on UseNet.
>>
>> My Greatness is well known to all the cycling groups on Usenet. I am
>> also Holy and a Great Saint. I was formerly known as Saint Edward the
>> Great and had my own Order known far and wide as the Order of the
>> Perpetual Sorrows. I'm afraid you and your entourage can never enter
>> my Order since you post messages reeking of piss and shit. As you
>> should know, cleanliness is next to Godliness!
>
>>>>>> Then take a bath, because, yu obviously haven't bathed in quite
>>>>>> some
> time.
>
> You are the one who is posting a shit and piss message on this
> newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole! How about washing your
> filthy mouth out with a bar of soap - you god damn fucking asshole!

Hypocrites (you) first.

[Edward Dolan]

"Mamma Wesolowski" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in
news:d020d$50e50db3$d8106f5c$15...@KNOLOGY.NET:

[...]

> It does not answer the question at all. Post the original Amber
> Travsky message why don’t you instead of just spamming this newsgroup
> with your shit message - you god damn fucking asshole!

>> If you're all that interested, then look up Amber Travsky yourself. I've
pointed you to the toilet, but you'll have to take your own crap.

I saw nothing there under that name the least bit objectionable. What I do
see there is your filthy spamming crap - you god damn fucking asshole!
[...]

> The Honorable Mr. Sokolisch has not been spamming this newsgroup
> (RBS). The only one who has been spamming this newsgroup is you - you
> god damn fucking asshole!

>> Apparently, the pressure within your skull is increasing and the
>> liquified
crap between your ears is now seeping through your eye sockets and
affecting your vision.
http://tinyurl.com/benn7mf

I am unable to access any of this crap due to it being restricted to me. All
I see there is 3 posts with 2 of them being from 2011. That is a negligible
number and no reason for you to be posting your shit to this newsgroup - you
god damn fucking asshole!
[...]

> You are the one who is posting a shit and piss message on this
> newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole! How about washing your
> filthy mouth out with a bar of soap - you god damn fucking asshole!

>> Hypocrites (you) first.

I am calling you out for the lying son of a bitch that you are. There is
nothing under the name Amber Travsky that is in the least bit objectionable
nor has RBS been affected by the Honorable Mr. Sokolisch. It is you and you
only who is the only fucked up bastard here on RBS - you god damn fucking
asshole!

[Mamma Wesolowski]

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in

news:5fab1$50e75f74$d8106f5c$22...@KNOLOGY.NET:

If three posts by psychopath Jack "Shitwad" Wesolowski (posting as Gary
Sokolisch) are negligible, then one post by Mamma Wesolowski is even more
negligible. So why are your silk panties strung so tight that they are
cutting off the blood supply to the peanut brain in the head of your
little dick?

>> You are the one who is posting a shit and piss message on this
>> newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole! How about washing your
>> filthy mouth out with a bar of soap - you god damn fucking asshole!
>
>>> Hypocrites (you) first.
>
> I am calling you out for the lying son of a bitch that you are. There
> is nothing under the name Amber Travsky that is in the least bit
> objectionable nor has RBS been affected by the Honorable Mr.
> Sokolisch. It is you and you only who is the only fucked up bastard
> here on RBS - you god damn fucking asshole!
>
>> Ed Dolan the Great
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great, Order of the Perpetual Sorrows, Minnesota

Would that be shit-for-brains Ed Doaln, the eloquent orator.

[Edward Dolan]

"Mamma Wesolowski" wrote in message

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[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

>> The Honorable Mr. Sokolisch has not been spamming this newsgroup
>> (RBS). The only one who has been spamming this newsgroup is you - you
>> god damn fucking asshole!

[...]

> I am unable to access any of this crap due to it being restricted to
> me. All I see there is 3 posts with 2 of them being from 2011. That is
> a negligible number and no reason for you to be posting your shit to
> this newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole!

>>> If three posts by psychopath Jack "Shitwad" Wesolowski (posting as Gary
Sokolisch) are negligible, then one post by Mamma Wesolowski is even more
negligible. So why are your silk panties strung so tight that they are
cutting off the blood supply to the peanut brain in the head of your
little dick?

You post under names which are not your own. That qualifies you as the
ultimate shithead-to-asshole. Now go fuck yourself and quit bothering the
honorable members of this noble newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole!

Ed Dolan the Great
aka

Saint Edward the Great, Order of the Perpetual sorrows, Minnesota

[Mamma Wesolowski]

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in

news:e3c36$50edcc47$d8106f5c$83...@KNOLOGY.NET:

Do you actually think that the psychopath who has been spamming the
UseNet for the past two years as Gary Sokolisch is using his real name?
Are you brain dead or just plain stupid?

> Ed Dolan the Great
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great, Order of the Perpetual sorrows, Minnesota

More like Ed Dolan, the shit-for-brains moron.

[Edward Dolan]

"Mamma Wesolowski" wrote in message

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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in
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[...]

> You post under names which are not your own. That qualifies you as the
> ultimate shithead-to-asshole. Now go fuck yourself and quit bothering
> the honorable members of this noble newsgroup - you god damn fucking
> asshole!

>> Do you actually think that the psychopath who has been spamming the
UseNet for the past two years as Gary Sokolisch is using his real name?
Are you brain dead or just plain stupid?

I am NOT asking the Honorable Mr.Gary Sokolisch why he is using a false
name; I am asking you why you are using a false name. Is this rocket
science - or what?

The only shit-for brains-moron here is you. The Honorable Mr. Gary Sokolisch
has NOT been spamming RBS. Only you are stupid enough to do that. Also you
have yet to explain what the name Amber Travsky is doing on your asinine
posts which so far have been full of nothing but piss, shit and fuck.

"Now go fuck yourself and quit bothering the honorable members of this noble

newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole!" - Ed Dolan

> Ed Dolan the Great
> aka

> Saint Edward the Great, Order of the Perpetual Sorrows, Minnesota

[Mamma Wesolowsk]

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in

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> "Mamma Wesolowski" wrote in message
> news:TEnHs.17109$9N1...@newsfe13.iad...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in
> news:e3c36$50edcc47$d8106f5c$83...@KNOLOGY.NET:
> [...]
>
>> You post under names which are not your own. That qualifies you as
>> the ultimate shithead-to-asshole. Now go fuck yourself and quit
>> bothering the honorable members of this noble newsgroup - you god
>> damn fucking asshole!
>
>>> Do you actually think that the psychopath who has been spamming the
> UseNet for the past two years as Gary Sokolisch is using his real
> name? Are you brain dead or just plain stupid?
>
> I am NOT asking the Honorable Mr.Gary Sokolisch why he is using a
> false name; I am asking you why you are using a false name.

To make morons like you ask stupid question.

> The only shit-for brains-moron here is you. The Honorable Mr. Gary
> Sokolisch has NOT been spamming RBS. Only you are stupid enough to do
> that. Also you have yet to explain what the name Amber Travsky is
> doing on your asinine posts which so far have been full of nothing but
> piss, shit and fuck.

Previously asked and answered.

> "Now go fuck yourself and quit bothering the honorable members of this
> noble newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole!" - Ed Dolan
>
>> Ed Dolan the Great
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great, Order of the Perpetual Sorrows, Minnesota

You mean Edward Dolan, the moron and lying douchebag.

[Tom $herman]

On 1/9/2013 6:43 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Now go fuck yourself and quit bothering the honorable members of this
> noble newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole!" - Ed Dolan

Hi Ed!

P.S. You are very wrong about who the true enemies of the US are.

--
Tom $herman

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom $herman" wrote in message news:kcll7j$2n7$1...@dont-email.me...

It is always the same old sort ... liberals, socialists and communists -
like you! It simply boggles my mind that we are stuck with Obama and his
fucked-up cabinet for another 4 years. I was for Gingrich as I figured he at
least knew how to kick ass, something Romney never knew how to do.

I am only on RBS from now on. I try to stay in practice by taking on the few
scumbags that are left on this newsgroup. They seem not to realize how much
I enjoy swearing and cussing them out for the numbskulls that they are.

I wonder what happened to the Tibetan freak? The Great Mike Vandeman has
left RBS and is now far better employed dealing with a list of knowledgeable
types via a newsletter type of email. I do not want him to come back on
Usenet as these forums are strictly reserved for time wasters like me and
you! I also sometimes wonder if Jim McNamara licked his prostate cancer. I
suspect he did. He was too damn ornery ever to die!

My favorite recumbents for riding about town these days is my RANS V-2, my
fairly new Bacchetta Bella ATT and my quite new RANS V-REX. These are all
expensive bikes, but I look at them as an investment in my health. After
all, it is cheaper than any trips to the ER as I have also recently
discovered.

How about an update on your velomobile? There is no one else on this
newsgroup so only I will see your message.

Ed Dolan the Great

[Edward Dolan]

"Mamma Wesolowsk" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in
news:cd802$50ee0ea8$d8106f5c$47...@KNOLOGY.NET:

[...]

> The only shit-for brains-moron here is you. The Honorable Mr. Gary
> Sokolisch has NOT been spamming RBS. Only you are stupid enough to do
> that. Also you have yet to explain what the name Amber Travsky is
> doing on your asinine posts which so far have been full of nothing but
> piss, shit and fuck.

>> Previously asked and answered.

Nope, never answered.

Also , I will no longer be posting my revelatory messages to the social
security disability group. Why should they have to put up with this stupid
shit!

[Mamma Wesolowski]

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in

news:c5625$50ef5fc7$d8106f5c$53...@KNOLOGY.NET:

> "Mamma Wesolowsk" wrote in message
> news:THoHs.36380$tG.2...@newsfe15.iad...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in
> news:cd802$50ee0ea8$d8106f5c$47...@KNOLOGY.NET:
> [...]
>> The only shit-for brains-moron here is you. The Honorable Mr. Gary
>> Sokolisch has NOT been spamming RBS. Only you are stupid enough to do
>> that. Also you have yet to explain what the name Amber Travsky is
>> doing on your asinine posts which so far have been full of nothing
>> but piss, shit and fuck.
>
>>> Previously asked and answered.
>
> Nope, never answered.

Specifically what wasn't answered?

> Also , I will no longer be posting my revelatory messages to the
> social security disability group. Why should they have to put up with
> this stupid shit!

You mean your stupid shit, right, Saint Ed the Great?

[Tom $herman]

On 1/10/2013 6:49 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom $herman" wrote in message news:kcll7j$2n7$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> On 1/9/2013 6:43 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Now go fuck yourself and quit bothering the honorable members of this
>> noble newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole!" - Ed Dolan
>
>>> Hi Ed!
>
>>> P.S. You are very wrong about who the true enemies of the US are.
>
> It is always the same old sort ... liberals, socialists and communists -
> like you! It simply boggles my mind that we are stuck with Obama and his
> fucked-up cabinet for another 4 years. I was for Gingrich as I figured
> he at least knew how to kick ass, something Romney never knew how to do.
>

Communism was a scam, supported by the financiers of Wall Street and the
City of London. And of course the Bolsheviks were mostly Jews, which is
why they had no compunction in murdering tens of millions of Orthodox
Christians in the Soviet Union (the Talmud explains that this is
acceptable). Note that many churches were destroyed under Lenin and
Stalin (aka The Little Jew), but not a single synagogue.

As for the true enemy of the US in the Middle East, it is not Iraq or
Iran, but another country that starts with "I". However, the innocent
in Iraq, Yemem, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc. are punished since the US
government is comprised mostly of blackmailed and/or bribed traitors
(the two often go together, as prostitutes, primarily boys, are supplied
while the politician is secretly filmed.

Romney versus Obama was really Zionists versus international bankers,
since the bankers responsible for the creation of Israel no longer find
it useful but rather a hindrance in controlling Middle Eastern
extractable hydrocarbons.

> I am only on RBS from now on. I try to stay in practice by taking on the
> few scumbags that are left on this newsgroup. They seem not to realize
> how much I enjoy swearing and cussing them out for the numbskulls that
> they are.
>
> I wonder what happened to the Tibetan freak? The Great Mike Vandeman has
> left RBS and is now far better employed dealing with a list of
> knowledgeable types via a newsletter type of email. I do not want him to
> come back on Usenet as these forums are strictly reserved for time
> wasters like me and you!

The Tibetan Monkey Poo Flinger has been cross-posting to:
alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism,
alt.fan.noam-chomsky, and alt.fan.michael-moore.

Mikey V. was posting on alt.mountain-bike as recently as yesterday.

> I also sometimes wonder if Jim McNamara licked
> his prostate cancer. I suspect he did. He was too damn ornery ever to die!
>
> My favorite recumbents for riding about town these days is my RANS V-2,
> my fairly new Bacchetta Bella ATT and my quite new RANS V-REX. These are
> all expensive bikes, but I look at them as an investment in my health.
> After all, it is cheaper than any trips to the ER as I have also
> recently discovered.
>
> How about an update on your velomobile? There is no one else on this
> newsgroup so only I will see your message.

How about the little black person who came to live with me?

<https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/552236_4465725892740_1846568241_n.jpg>

--
Tom $herman

[Edward Dolan]

"Mamma Wesolowski" wrote in message news:YMJHs.64$kp4...@newsfe09.iad...

"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in
news:c5625$50ef5fc7$d8106f5c$53...@KNOLOGY.NET:

[...]

>> Also you have yet to explain what the name Amber Travsky is
>> doing on your asinine posts which so far have been full of nothing
>> but piss, shit and fuck.
>
>>> Previously asked and answered.
>
> Nope, never answered.

>>>> Specifically what wasn't answered?

I want to know what the name Amber Travsky was doing on your post? Her name
was not used falsely by anyone as far as I can tell and her message was
nothing objectionable. Give me her message in full under her name that you
think was used falsely. I am not interested in lists!

> Also , I will no longer be posting my revelatory messages to the
> social security disability group. Why should they have to put up with
> this stupid shit!

>>>> You mean your stupid shit, right, Saint Ed the Great?

No, I mean OUR stupid shit!

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom $herman" wrote in message news:kcnrmh$uhb$1...@dont-email.me...
[...]

>>> P.S. You are very wrong about who the true enemies of the US are.

Edward Dolan wrote:

> It is always the same old sort ... liberals, socialists and communists -
> like you! It simply boggles my mind that we are stuck with Obama and his
> fucked-up cabinet for another 4 years. I was for Gingrich as I figured
> he at least knew how to kick ass, something Romney never knew how to do.
>
>> Communism was a scam, supported by the financiers of Wall Street and the
City of London. And of course the Bolsheviks were mostly Jews, which is
why they had no compunction in murdering tens of millions of Orthodox
Christians in the Soviet Union (the Talmud explains that this is
acceptable). Note that many churches were destroyed under Lenin and
Stalin (aka The Little Jew), but not a single synagogue.

Conspiratorial nonsense not worthy of a response.

>> As for the true enemy of the US in the Middle East, it is not Iraq or
Iran, but another country that starts with "I". However, the innocent
in Iraq, Yemem, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc. are punished since the US
government is comprised mostly of blackmailed and/or bribed traitors
(the two often go together, as prostitutes, primarily boys, are supplied
while the politician is secretly filmed.

Conspiratorial nonsense not worthy of a response.

>> Romney versus Obama was really Zionists versus international bankers,
since the bankers responsible for the creation of Israel no longer find
it useful but rather a hindrance in controlling Middle Eastern
extractable hydrocarbons.

Conspiratorial nonsense not worthy of a response.

> I am only on RBS from now on. I try to stay in practice by taking on the
> few scumbags that are left on this newsgroup. They seem not to realize
> how much I enjoy swearing and cussing them out for the numbskulls that
> they are.
>
> I wonder what happened to the Tibetan freak? The Great Mike Vandeman has
> left RBS and is now far better employed dealing with a list of
> knowledgeable types via a newsletter type of email. I do not want him to
> come back on Usenet as these forums are strictly reserved for time
> wasters like me and you!

>> The Tibetan Monkey Poo Flinger has been cross-posting to:
alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism,
alt.fan.noam-chomsky, and alt.fan.michael-moore.

The Tibetan Monkey Poo Flinger was a pain in the ass with his simple
nonsense and it is a relief to see him gone from here forever I hope. I do
not like one note Johnnies and that is all he ever was. Be careful that you
do not become one yourself!

>> Mikey V. was posting on alt.mountain-bike as recently as yesterday.

Mr. Vandeman is indefatigable. He is a true believer in his cause. I am more
like you. I don’t believe in much of anything and the world is going to hell
in a hand basket no matter what we do or don't do. Sheer population
pressure is going to destroy everything that we value sooner or later.

> I also sometimes wonder if Jim McNamara licked
> his prostate cancer. I suspect he did. He was too damn ornery ever to die!
>
> My favorite recumbents for riding about town these days is my RANS V-2,
> my fairly new Bacchetta Bella ATT and my quite new RANS V-REX. These are
> all expensive bikes, but I look at them as an investment in my health.
> After all, it is cheaper than any trips to the ER as I have also
> recently discovered.
>
> How about an update on your velomobile? There is no one else on this
> newsgroup so only I will see your message.

>> How about the little black person who came to live with me?

>> <https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/552236_4465725892740_1846568241_n.jpg>

So you wasted several thousand dollars on a velomobile that you never used.
Admit it - you made a colossal mistake!

As for the poor lost cat, I take in a stray cat every year. I now have over
a dozen. I fatten them up and they all thank me by ignoring the hell out of
me. That is why I like cats. They are like zebras - wild and untamable.

Ed Dolan the Great

[jimmy...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:49:51 PM UTC-6, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom $herman" wrote in message news:kcll7j$2n7$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2013 6:43 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > "Now go fuck yourself and quit bothering the honorable members of this
>
> > noble newsgroup - you god damn fucking asshole!" - Ed Dolan
>
>
>
> >> Hi Ed!
>
>
>
> >> P.S. You are very wrong about who the true enemies of the US are.
>
>
>
> It is always the same old sort ... liberals, socialists and communists -
>
> like you! It simply boggles my mind that we are stuck with Obama and his
>
> fucked-up cabinet for another 4 years. I was for Gingrich as I figured he at
>
> least knew how to kick ass, something Romney never knew how to do.
>
>
>
> I am only on RBS from now on. I try to stay in practice by taking on the few
>
> scumbags that are left on this newsgroup. They seem not to realize how much
>
> I enjoy swearing and cussing them out for the numbskulls that they are.
>
>
>
> I wonder what happened to the Tibetan freak? The Great Mike Vandeman has
>
> left RBS and is now far better employed dealing with a list of knowledgeable
>
> types via a newsletter type of email. I do not want him to come back on
>
> Usenet as these forums are strictly reserved for time wasters like me and
>
> you! I also sometimes wonder if Jim McNamara licked his prostate cancer. I
>
> suspect he did. He was too damn ornery ever to die!

Say Ed ... your assert that I'm ornery??? This from one of the most ornery persons on planet Earth, what we have here is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. For someone who was diagnosed with prostate cancer, you are not very well informed about the disease. As concerns my health status, I'm still alive, but feel under no obligation to satisfy your curiosity with an update. Now, when I was diagnosed, I specifically told you that my disease was staged clinical stage 4 which is terminal (read incurable). I fail to comprehend what you don't understand about that. Then again, you never have been a good listener and are seldom willing to accept anything stated at face value. You've not seen any posts from me for a long time simply because I've better things to do with my time than to waste time on someone who has proven himself to be a lost cause.

[Edward Dolan]

wrote in message
news:afb6cf0e-dfe1-41da...@googlegroups.com...

> On Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:49:51 PM UTC-6, Edward Dolan wrote:

> I also sometimes wonder if Jim McNamara licked his prostate cancer. I
> suspect he did. He was too damn ornery ever to die!

>> Say Ed ... your assert that I'm ornery??? This from one of the most
>> ornery persons on planet Earth, what we have here is a case of the pot
>> calling the kettle black. For someone who was diagnosed with prostate
>> cancer, you are not very well informed about the disease. As concerns my
>> health status, I'm still alive, but feel under no obligation to satisfy
>> your curiosity with an update. Now, when I was diagnosed, I specifically
>> told you that my disease was staged clinical stage 4 which is terminal
>> (read incurable). I fail to comprehend what you don't understand about
>> that. Then again, you never have been a good listener and are seldom
>> willing to accept anything stated at face value.

What is there to understand. Just because your prostate cancer was diagnosed
as terminal does not mean you can’t live another 20 years. Life itself is
terminal, but many of us manage to live a long time in spite of that
prognosis.

>> You've not seen any posts from me for a long time simply because I've
>> better things to do with my time than to waste time on someone who has
>> proven himself to be a lost cause.

Time spent on Usenet is a waste regardless of whom you are addressing unless
all the asshole screwballs can be filtered out. That means a monitor
(editor) and one who is smarter than your average poster. No one in their
right mind would ever take on the task of monitoring a fucked up newsgroup
... and they are all fucked up – no exceptions!

Tom Sherman has decided to look out for his career rather than try to get in
any last words on Usenet. That is the smart thing for him to do. Usenet is
for folks like myself who do not give a damn about careers ... or much of
anything else either for that matter.

Tibetan Monkey killed the group (RBS) although it was already half dead. The
few mountain bikers were here strictly for Mr. Vandeman who humored them by
pretending they had some intelligence. I simply lambasted them for the fools
that they were. Good riddance to them!

In fact, good riddance to everyone – including myself!

Ed Dolan the Great

PS: I am delighted that you are alive and kicking. Whatever you are doing,
keep it up as it must be doing some good.

[jimmy...@yahoo.com]

On Friday, March 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM UTC-6, Edward Dolan wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> news:afb6cf0e-dfe1-41da...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:49:51 PM UTC-6, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
>
> > I also sometimes wonder if Jim McNamara licked his prostate cancer. I
>
> > suspect he did. He was too damn ornery ever to die!
>
>
>
> >> Say Ed ... your assert that I'm ornery??? This from one of the most
>
> >> ornery persons on planet Earth, what we have here is a case of the pot
>
> >> calling the kettle black. For someone who was diagnosed with prostate
>
> >> cancer, you are not very well informed about the disease. As concerns my
>
> >> health status, I'm still alive, but feel under no obligation to satisfy
>
> >> your curiosity with an update. Now, when I was diagnosed, I specifically
>
> >> told you that my disease was staged clinical stage 4 which is terminal
>
> >> (read incurable). I fail to comprehend what you don't understand about
>
> >> that. Then again, you never have been a good listener and are seldom
>
> >> willing to accept anything stated at face value.
>
>
>
> What is there to understand. Just because your prostate cancer was diagnosed
>
> as terminal does not mean you can’t live another 20 years. Life itself is
>
> terminal, but many of us manage to live a long time in spite of that
>
> prognosis.

What is there to understand? Well, for one I had a PSA of 385.4 and a Gleason Score of 8. For the purpose of prognosis, a PSA over 4 is reason for alarm and a Gleason Score above 8 is indicative of an aggressive form of cancer. These two combined figures are indicators that my "expiration date" was much sooner than 20 years. The point that I was making though was in reference to your wondering if I had "licked" my prostate cancer. With the current state of medical technology, my advance disease is not curable. That is what you seemed not to comprehend. Now that I have spelled things out for you, I trust that you now understand..

> >> You've not seen any posts from me for a long time simply because I've
>
> >> better things to do with my time than to waste time on someone who has
>
> >> proven himself to be a lost cause.
>
>
>
> Time spent on Usenet is a waste regardless of whom you are addressing unless
>
> all the asshole screwballs can be filtered out.

I presume you include yourself since you have gone on record to state that you are the biggest asshole on Usenet. To be perfectly honest, your pugnacious combativeness, unsubstantiated repetitious assertions, and especially your unyielding, obnoxious false sense of infallibility became so exasperating that I eventually had to refrain from replying to you. I needed to curtail any and all cyber-communications. I needed a time out. Life is just to short to waste much of it on someone so hell bent on being the number one jackass on Usenet.

> That means a monitor
>
> (editor) and one who is smarter than your average poster. No one in their
>
> right mind would ever take on the task of monitoring a fucked up newsgroup
>
> ... and they are all fucked up – no exceptions!
>

Although I disagree your masticated and regurgitated opinion is well know since it has been repeatec countless times.

> Tom Sherman has decided to look out for his career rather than try to get in
>
> any last words on Usenet. That is the smart thing for him to do. Usenet is
>
> for folks like myself who do not give a damn about careers ... or much of
>
> anything else either for that matter.
>
>
>
> Tibetan Monkey killed the group (RBS) although it was already half dead.

So it wasn't Ed Gin after all ;~)

> The few mountain bikers were here strictly for Mr. Vandeman who humored them by
>
> pretending they had some intelligence. I simply lambasted them for the fools
>
> that they were. Good riddance to them!
>
>
>
> In fact, good riddance to everyone – including myself!
>
>
>
> Ed Dolan the Great
>
>
>
> PS: I am delighted that you are alive and kicking. Whatever you are doing,
>
> keep it up as it must be doing some good.

42 fractions of radiation, triple androgen deprivation (hormone) therapy, dietary changes, supplementation, etc. I've not had a measurable PSA for more than two years now. Assuming that you are sincere, then thanks for being delighted.

[Edward Dolan]

wrote in message
news:9f3a08c5-2f7a-4db6...@googlegroups.com...

On Friday, March 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM UTC-6, Edward Dolan wrote:
> > I also sometimes wonder if Jim McNamara licked his prostate cancer. I
> > suspect he did. He was too damn ornery ever to die!
>

> What is there to understand. Just because your prostate cancer was
> diagnosed
> as terminal does not mean you can’t live another 20 years. Life itself is
> terminal, but many of us manage to live a long time in spite of that
> prognosis.

>>> What is there to understand? Well, for one I had a PSA of 385.4 and a
>>> Gleason Score of 8. For the purpose of prognosis, a PSA over 4 is
>>> reason for alarm and a Gleason Score above 8 is indicative of an
>>> aggressive form of cancer. These two combined figures are indicators
>>> that my "expiration date" was much sooner than 20 years. The point that
>>> I was making though was in reference to your wondering if I had "licked"
>>> my prostate cancer. With the current state of medical technology, my
>>> advance disease is not curable. That is what you seemed not to
>>> comprehend. Now that I have spelled things out for you, I trust that
>>> you now understand..

You have “licked” your prostate cancer for so long as you continue to live.
The fact is that being diagnosed with cancer is no longer a death sentence.
Your PSA was indeed high and your Gleason Score was also higher then
average - average being about 6. What you need to understand is that not
everyone who comes into this world manages to reach our ages. Life, like
many cancers, is not “curable” either. We are all ... yes, everyone of us,
doomed (even Tom Sherman). So what else is new?
[...]

> Time spent on Usenet is a waste regardless of whom you are addressing
> unless
> all the asshole screwballs can be filtered out.

>>> I presume you include yourself since you have gone on record to state
>>> that you are the biggest asshole on Usenet. To be perfectly honest,
>>> your pugnacious combativeness, unsubstantiated repetitious assertions,
>>> and especially your unyielding, obnoxious false sense of infallibility
>>> became so exasperating that I eventually had to refrain from replying to
>>> you. I needed to curtail any and all cyber-communications. I needed a
>>> time out. Life is just to short to waste much of it on someone so hell
>>> bent on being the number one jackass on Usenet.

Understood! But you are a naïf in expecting anything at all from Usenet. I
knew right from the beginning that time spent on Usenet was going to be a
waste. But I have had some fun wasting my time. How about you?
[...]

> Tibetan Monkey killed the group (RBS) although it was already half dead.

>>> So it wasn't Ed Gin after all ;~)

After Ed Gin we were flopping around like a fish out of water. All Tibetan
Monkey did was administer the coup de grace. That is what idiocy always
does. At least everyone, including you, now knows what a dead newsgroup
looks like. RBS – RIP!

> PS: I am delighted that you are alive and kicking. Whatever you are doing,
> keep it up as it must be doing some good.

>>> 42 fractions of radiation, triple androgen deprivation (hormone)
>>> therapy, dietary changes, supplementation, etc. I've not had a
>>> measurable PSA for more than two years now. Assuming that you are
>>> sincere, then thanks for being delighted.

And why the hell wouldn’t I want you to be well? You are one of the few
persons in this world that I feel I halfway know. Same goes for Tom Sherman.
Just because we disagree on most everything doesn’t mean shit. I have always
enjoy our discussions and debates. Both you and Tom Sherman are on my level
of intelligence, The three of us are a rare breed on Usenet!

As you may know I had the external beam radiation and the seed implants
treatments some 10 years ago. So far, the only really bad effect of that has
been a single episode of bleeding from the bladder due to radiation
cystitis. My PSA also remains unmeasurable for what that is worth. The fact
is there are still no good treatments for prostate cancer that don’t leave
you with adverse side effects.

Ed Dolan the Great

[Edward Dolan]

wrote in message
news:9f3a08c5-2f7a-4db6...@googlegroups.com...

[...]

Jim McNamara wrote:

> 42 fractions of radiation, triple androgen deprivation (hormone) therapy,
> dietary changes, supplementation, etc. I've not had a measurable PSA for
> more than two years now. Assuming that you are sincere, then thanks for
> being delighted.

How is that androgen deprivation therapy working out for you I wonder? I
had a friend who was on that for many years and it never seemed to bother
him in the least. I had just one shot prior to my radiation treatments and
it just about drove me crazy. I had almost continuous hot flashes night and
day for 4 months. I knew I would never get used to it, but many of the guys
at the VA were so scared of cancer that they wanted to continue to get those
shots even after their initial treatments.

By the way, those shots are expensive. I think you could probably get them
at the VA for not much cost.

Best,

Ed Dolan the Great

[jimmy...@yahoo.com]

I don't want to be bothered with the VA. Too much bureaucracy and inconvenient location/travel. My medicare and medicare supplement completely cover costs of all medical treatments and yes they are ALL quite expensive,

My cancer is not organ (prostate) confined and metastatic and is considered high-risk with poor prognosis. The first line of defense for advanced, metastatic prostate cancer is systemic treatment in the form of androgen ablation, or what is commonly referred to as androgen deprivation therapy (ADT). Hormonal manipulation is the mainstream medicine standard of care and is essential in the management of advanced prostate cancer. Lupron (leuprolide acetate) is a Luteinizing-Hormone-Releasing hormone (LHRH) agonist (substance that initiates a physiological response when combined with a receptor) that shuts down testosterone production. Bicalutamide (Casodex) is an anti-androgen that inhibits testosterone from binding to prostate cancer cell’s androgen receptors. Adrenal glands produce a testosterone precursor (androstenedione) that is metabolized in the prostate into testosterone. When testosterone comes into contact with 5AR enzymes in the cancer cell nucleus, testosterone is converted into the metabolite dihydrotestosterone (DHT), a far more powerful stimulant of cancer cell growth (5 times more potent). Dutasteride (Avodart) inhibits Type I and Type II 5Alpha Reductase (5AR) enzymes. By personal preference, and with cooperation of my doctors, for two years, I was on a triple androgen blockade (ADT3) consisting of Lupron, bicalutamide (Casodex), and Avodart. ADT is both therapeutic and of critical prognostic importance with proper monitoring of PSA and testosterone levels. Duration of response to hormone therapy is highly variable. ADT initially causes most, but NEVER all of the prostate cancer cells to undergo genetically programmed cell death (apoptosis). Some prostate cancer cells are resistant or adapt to hormone therapy and continue to survive. Hormone-refractory (androgen-independent) prostate cancer cells are totally resistant to hormone therapy and there is currently no significantly effective treatment strategy for hormone-refractory, metastatic prostate cancer. Despite encouraging initial hormone therapy response rates, 80-90% of patients eventually develop progressive androgen-independent prostate cancer, for which there is currently no curative therapy. When cancer cells become resistant to hormone therapy, salvage chemotherapy is employed with some additional prolongation in duration of survival (10% survival rate after 30 months). The encouraging news is that recently approved drugs and promising new drugs on the horizon, in the clinical trial pipeline, hold out hope for long-term survival for those with hormone-refractory prostate cancer.

Ed, you were given a Lupron injection prior to radiation to kill of as many cancer cells as possible and reduce prostate volume to improve radiation treatment targeting. Once a Lupron injection is given, they are generally given continuously. That is standard of care. To answer your specific question regarding Lupon injections, ADT does have its downside. Treatment induced menopausal side effects include anemia, hair loss, dry eyes, dry skin, hot flashes, erectile dysfunction, abdominal fat deposit, weight gain, breast pain and/or enlargement, decreased size of testes and penis, emotional changes (anxiety, depression, and mood swings), fatigue, loss of libido, sleep disturbance, myalgia (muscle pain), nausea, increased urinary frequency, discomfort or obstruction, and changes in bowel function, including diarrhea and rectal incontinence. More serious side effects include peripheral edema (swelling of hands, feet, ankles, and lower legs), decreased muscle mass, loss of bone mass (osteopenia/osteoporosis), elevated serum glucose, Type-II diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease (heart attack and stroke), elevated cholesterol and triglycerides, decreased HDL cholesterol, memory impairment, cognitive decline, abnormal liver function, increased risk of SREs (skeletal-related events … pathological fractures, spinal cord compression, and severe joint and bone pain), and excess serum cortisol. Some anti-aging experts refer to cortisol as the “death hormone” due to multiple degenerative effects that cortisol produces including immune dysfunction, brain cell injury, and arterial wall damage. As daunting as the side effects are, I had only two alternatives. I could allow the disease to rapidly progress unabated, or I could opt for ADT to survive longer with the distinct possibility of a compromised quality of life. Neither are appealing alternatives, but I opted for ADT. Unfortunately, that is an option that I realized would most likely reduce me to a shade of my former self.

To be more specific, I have experienced dry skin, hot flashes, depression, and decreased muscle mass. I have just deliberately opted to begin intermittent androgen deprivation therapy well aware that it is no standard of care. I determined to do so because the American Society of Clinical Oncologists recently issued a report specifying that intermittent ADT is almost as effective as continuous ADT but without its associated side effects. With some degree of apprehension, I decided to remove my safety net. Although unconfirmed in clinical trials, it is my conjecture that with intermittent ADT, tumor cells are forced into normal pathways due to testosterone rebound with the subsequent probability of an increased duration of treatment efficacy and delay in progression to castrate resistant (hormone refractory) disease. When my PSA begins to rise again, androgen dependent tumor cells should be responsive to the next cycle of hormone therapy. In the interim, I continue to take dutasteride (Avodart) as maintenance therapy to inhibit conversion of testosterone into the more dangerous metabolite dihydrotestosterone.

Well, that is far more than you probably expected to hear back in the way of a response, however since you are being reasonable (you are capable when you want to be), I took the time to be very thorough in my reply.

[Edward Dolan]

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On Sunday, March 10, 2013 5:45:51 PM UTC-5, Edward Dolan wrote:
> wrote in message

> How is that androgen deprivation therapy working out for you I wonder? I
> had a friend who was on that for many years and it never seemed to bother
> him in the least. I had just one shot prior to my radiation treatments and
> it just about drove me crazy. I had almost continuous hot flashes night
> and
> day for 4 months. I knew I would never get used to it, but many of the
> guys
> at the VA were so scared of cancer that they wanted to continue to get
> those
> shots even after their initial treatments.
>
> By the way, those shots are expensive. I think you could probably get them
> at the VA for not much cost.

>> I don't want to be bothered with the VA. Too much bureaucracy and
>> inconvenient location/travel. My medicare and medicare supplement
>> completely cover costs of all medical treatments and yes they are ALL
>> quite expensive,

Yes, if you have got the cost covered then you are doing it right. The VA is
fine once the initial bureaucratic measures are taken care of. After that it
is smooth sailing.

>> My cancer is not organ (prostate) confined and metastatic and is
>> considered high-risk with poor prognosis. The first line of defense for
>> advanced, metastatic prostate cancer is systemic treatment in the form of
>> androgen ablation, or what is commonly referred to as androgen
>> deprivation therapy (ADT). Hormonal manipulation is the mainstream
>> medicine standard of care and is essential in the management of advanced
>> prostate cancer. Lupron (leuprolide acetate) is a
>> Luteinizing-Hormone-Releasing hormone (LHRH) agonist (substance that
>> initiates a physiological response when combined with a receptor) that
>> shuts down testosterone production. Bicalutamide (Casodex) is an
>> anti-androgen that inhibits testosterone from binding to prostate cancer

>> cell�s androgen receptors. Adrenal glands produce a testosterone

You have a doctor�s knowledge of what is transpiring and of how to treat it.
Most folks never want to know that much about their disease, no matter what
it is. They figure that is what they are paying the doctor for. What you say
above makes me wonder if older men should ever be taking any testosterone to
boost their sexual performance. Those ads on TV disgust me!

>> Ed, you were given a Lupron injection prior to radiation to kill of as
>> many cancer cells as possible and reduce prostate volume to improve
>> radiation treatment targeting. Once a Lupron injection is given, they are
>> generally given continuously. That is standard of care. To answer your
>> specific question regarding Lupon injections, ADT does have its downside.
>> Treatment induced menopausal side effects include anemia, hair loss, dry
>> eyes, dry skin, hot flashes, erectile dysfunction, abdominal fat deposit,
>> weight gain, breast pain and/or enlargement, decreased size of testes and
>> penis, emotional changes (anxiety, depression, and mood swings), fatigue,
>> loss of libido, sleep disturbance, myalgia (muscle pain), nausea,
>> increased urinary frequency, discomfort or obstruction, and changes in
>> bowel function, including diarrhea and rectal incontinence. More serious
>> side effects include peripheral edema (swelling of hands, feet, ankles,
>> and lower legs), decreased muscle mass, loss of bone mass
>> (osteopenia/osteoporosis), elevated serum glucose, Type-II diabetes,
>> hypertension, cardiovascular disease (heart attack and stroke), elevated
>> cholesterol and triglycerides, decreased HDL cholesterol, memory
>> impairment, cognitive decline, abnormal liver function, increased risk of

>> SREs (skeletal-related events � pathological fractures, spinal cord

>> compression, and severe joint and bone pain), and excess serum cortisol.

>> Some anti-aging experts refer to cortisol as the �death hormone� due to

>> multiple degenerative effects that cortisol produces including immune
>> dysfunction, brain cell injury, and arterial wall damage. As daunting as
>> the side effects are, I had only two alternatives. I could allow the
>> disease to rapidly progress unabated, or I could opt for ADT to survive
>> longer with the distinct possibility of a compromised quality of life.
>> Neither are appealing alternatives, but I opted for ADT. Unfortunately,
>> that is an option that I realized would most likely reduce me to a shade
>> of my former self.

Yes, I am sure I just had the Lupron shot. It was suppose to be good for 3
months, but it lasted 4 months in my case. The hot flashes were the worst
side effect for me. Frankly, I would not want to be on that treatment for
long. The business about the erectile dysfunction is funny since the Lupron
shot also completely takes away libido. Sex apparently is just chemistry. It
is not exclusively in the mind as I once thought.

If I were in your shoes the hardest thing for me to overcome would be
depression. I tend to dwell on every unpleasantness that comes down the
pike. I do not take ill health well. I have always thought that a modicum of
good health is priceless for which we should be ever thankful. I am always
amazed at what some folks are able to put up with. I can see now that you do
not have it easy at all. Everyone I have ever known who had prostate cancer
apparently caught it early enough so as to avoid your extreme treatments.

>> To be more specific, I have experienced dry skin, hot flashes,
>> depression, and decreased muscle mass. I have just deliberately opted to
>> begin intermittent androgen deprivation therapy well aware that it is no
>> standard of care. I determined to do so because the American Society of
>> Clinical Oncologists recently issued a report specifying that
>> intermittent ADT is almost as effective as continuous ADT but without its
>> associated side effects. With some degree of apprehension, I decided to
>> remove my safety net. Although unconfirmed in clinical trials, it is my
>> conjecture that with intermittent ADT, tumor cells are forced into normal
>> pathways due to testosterone rebound with the subsequent probability of
>> an increased duration of treatment efficacy and delay in progression to
>> castrate resistant (hormone refractory) disease. When my PSA begins to
>> rise again, androgen dependent tumor cells should be responsive to the
>> next cycle of hormone therapy. In the interim, I continue to take
>> dutasteride (Avodart) as maintenance therapy to inhibit conversion of
>> testosterone into the more dangerous metabolite dihydrotestosterone.

You are most likely on the cutting edge of treatment. If knowledge alone
could save you, you would be saved. But one also needs some luck. All your
efforts deserve some of that too.

>> Well, that is far more than you probably expected to hear back in the way
>> of a response, however since you are being reasonable (you are capable
>> when you want to be), I took the time to be very thorough in my reply.

I could follow your explanation of all the complications and treatments as
long as I read slowly. On the other hand, I never wanted to be a doctor. I
learned that when I was a Hospital Corpsman in the Navy for 4 years. I
mostly can�t bear to even think much about my own ailments. I think you are
one tough guy to be able to cope as well as you are. Maybe cycling is good
for us after all if it makes us tough when we need to be.

[jimmy...@yahoo.com]

On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:17:17 PM UTC-5, Edward Dolan wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> news:c4132f39-50e7-4b71...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 10, 2013 5:45:51 PM UTC-5, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > How is that androgen deprivation therapy working out for you I wonder? I
>
> > had a friend who was on that for many years and it never seemed to bother
>
> > him in the least. I had just one shot prior to my radiation treatments and
>
> > it just about drove me crazy. I had almost continuous hot flashes night
>
> > and
>
> > day for 4 months. I knew I would never get used to it, but many of the
>
> > guys
>
> > at the VA were so scared of cancer that they wanted to continue to get
>
> > those
>
> > shots even after their initial treatments.
>
> >
>
> > By the way, those shots are expensive. I think you could probably get them
>
> > at the VA for not much cost.
>
>
>
> >> I don't want to be bothered with the VA. Too much bureaucracy and
>
> >> inconvenient location/travel. My medicare and medicare supplement
>
> >> completely cover costs of all medical treatments and yes they are ALL
>
> >> quite expensive,
>
>
>
> Yes, if you have got the cost covered then you are doing it right. The VA is
>
> fine once the initial bureaucratic measures are taken care of. After that it
>
> is smooth sailing.

I also prefer to be able to make my personal choice of hospitals and doctors.

> >> My cancer is not organ (prostate) confined and metastatic and is
>
> >> considered high-risk with poor prognosis. The first line of defense for
>
> >> advanced, metastatic prostate cancer is systemic treatment in the form of
>
> >> androgen ablation, or what is commonly referred to as androgen
>
> >> deprivation therapy (ADT). Hormonal manipulation is the mainstream
>
> >> medicine standard of care and is essential in the management of advanced
>
> >> prostate cancer. Lupron (leuprolide acetate) is a
>
> >> Luteinizing-Hormone-Releasing hormone (LHRH) agonist (substance that
>
> >> initiates a physiological response when combined with a receptor) that
>
> >> shuts down testosterone production. Bicalutamide (Casodex) is an
>
> >> anti-androgen that inhibits testosterone from binding to prostate cancer
>

> >> cell’s androgen receptors. Adrenal glands produce a testosterone

> You have a doctor’s knowledge of what is transpiring and of how to treat it.

>
> Most folks never want to know that much about their disease, no matter what
>
> it is. They figure that is what they are paying the doctor for. What you say
>
> above makes me wonder if older men should ever be taking any testosterone to
>
> boost their sexual performance. Those ads on TV disgust me!

I feel that it is my life and I have an active role to play in my health care. It is my own best interest to learn as much as I can and assume some responsibility in the treatment of my disease. I view my doctors as practitioners with whom I have formed an alliance in a joint effort of treatment and care. I am not one of those who leaves all the decision up to my doctors. I think it is unwise to do. My doctors have been very positive concerning how I have managed matters.

Agreed about testosterone. Hormonal manipulation is fraught with problems. Older men who opt for testosterone are taking a risk particularly be fueling the growth of undiagnosed prostate cancer.

> >> Ed, you were given a Lupron injection prior to radiation to kill of as
>
> >> many cancer cells as possible and reduce prostate volume to improve
>
> >> radiation treatment targeting. Once a Lupron injection is given, they are
>
> >> generally given continuously. That is standard of care. To answer your
>
> >> specific question regarding Lupon injections, ADT does have its downside.
>
> >> Treatment induced menopausal side effects include anemia, hair loss, dry
>
> >> eyes, dry skin, hot flashes, erectile dysfunction, abdominal fat deposit,
>
> >> weight gain, breast pain and/or enlargement, decreased size of testes and
>
> >> penis, emotional changes (anxiety, depression, and mood swings), fatigue,
>
> >> loss of libido, sleep disturbance, myalgia (muscle pain), nausea,
>
> >> increased urinary frequency, discomfort or obstruction, and changes in
>
> >> bowel function, including diarrhea and rectal incontinence. More serious
>
> >> side effects include peripheral edema (swelling of hands, feet, ankles,
>
> >> and lower legs), decreased muscle mass, loss of bone mass
>
> >> (osteopenia/osteoporosis), elevated serum glucose, Type-II diabetes,
>
> >> hypertension, cardiovascular disease (heart attack and stroke), elevated
>
> >> cholesterol and triglycerides, decreased HDL cholesterol, memory
>
> >> impairment, cognitive decline, abnormal liver function, increased risk of
>

> >> SREs (skeletal-related events … pathological fractures, spinal cord

>
> >> compression, and severe joint and bone pain), and excess serum cortisol.
>

> >> Some anti-aging experts refer to cortisol as the “death hormone” due to

>
> >> multiple degenerative effects that cortisol produces including immune
>
> >> dysfunction, brain cell injury, and arterial wall damage. As daunting as
>
> >> the side effects are, I had only two alternatives. I could allow the
>
> >> disease to rapidly progress unabated, or I could opt for ADT to survive
>
> >> longer with the distinct possibility of a compromised quality of life.
>
> >> Neither are appealing alternatives, but I opted for ADT. Unfortunately,
>
> >> that is an option that I realized would most likely reduce me to a shade
>
> >> of my former self.
>
>
>
> Yes, I am sure I just had the Lupron shot. It was suppose to be good for 3
>
> months, but it lasted 4 months in my case. The hot flashes were the worst
>
> side effect for me. Frankly, I would not want to be on that treatment for
>
> long. The business about the erectile dysfunction is funny since the Lupron
>
> shot also completely takes away libido. Sex apparently is just chemistry. It
>
> is not exclusively in the mind as I once thought.

We are biologically wired and the mind does play a role, but without the proper level of hormone, the mind matters not in the least. It is like a weapon devoid of ammunition.

> If I were in your shoes the hardest thing for me to overcome would be
>
> depression. I tend to dwell on every unpleasantness that comes down the
>
> pike. I do not take ill health well. I have always thought that a modicum of
>
> good health is priceless for which we should be ever thankful. I am always
>
> amazed at what some folks are able to put up with. I can see now that you do
>
> not have it easy at all. Everyone I have ever known who had prostate cancer
>
> apparently caught it early enough so as to avoid your extreme treatments.

I wish that I was fortunate enough to have caught it early on, but it is in my bone. My last computed tomography (CT) and scintigraphy (nuclear medicine bone imaging), commonly referred to as a bone scan indicate that where the sclerotic lesions exist they are less extensive and less intense, so that is good at least.

> >> To be more specific, I have experienced dry skin, hot flashes,
>
> >> depression, and decreased muscle mass. I have just deliberately opted to
>
> >> begin intermittent androgen deprivation therapy well aware that it is no
>
> >> standard of care. I determined to do so because the American Society of
>
> >> Clinical Oncologists recently issued a report specifying that
>
> >> intermittent ADT is almost as effective as continuous ADT but without its
>
> >> associated side effects. With some degree of apprehension, I decided to
>
> >> remove my safety net. Although unconfirmed in clinical trials, it is my
>
> >> conjecture that with intermittent ADT, tumor cells are forced into normal
>
> >> pathways due to testosterone rebound with the subsequent probability of
>
> >> an increased duration of treatment efficacy and delay in progression to
>
> >> castrate resistant (hormone refractory) disease. When my PSA begins to
>
> >> rise again, androgen dependent tumor cells should be responsive to the
>
> >> next cycle of hormone therapy. In the interim, I continue to take
>
> >> dutasteride (Avodart) as maintenance therapy to inhibit conversion of
>
> >> testosterone into the more dangerous metabolite dihydrotestosterone.
>
>
>
> You are most likely on the cutting edge of treatment. If knowledge alone
>
> could save you, you would be saved. But one also needs some luck. All your
>
> efforts deserve some of that too.

I hear that.

> >> Well, that is far more than you probably expected to hear back in the way
>
> >> of a response, however since you are being reasonable (you are capable
>
> >> when you want to be), I took the time to be very thorough in my reply.
>
>
>
> I could follow your explanation of all the complications and treatments as
>
> long as I read slowly. On the other hand, I never wanted to be a doctor. I
>
> learned that when I was a Hospital Corpsman in the Navy for 4 years. I
>

> mostly can’t bear to even think much about my own ailments. I think you are

>
> one tough guy to be able to cope as well as you are. Maybe cycling is good
>
> for us after all if it makes us tough when we need to be.

Because of pain in my lower back and pelvis, I didn't ride at all last year. I think the problem is scar tissue from radiation. I will give it a go again this year now that I am feeling a somewhat better, but with testosterone at castrate levels, my performance will never again be the same and recovery between efforts slower. Consequently, I have no intention of logging mega-miles and competing with those half my age. Sadly, those days are behind me now. As much as I enjoyed mixing ti up with the younger set, riding hard, far, and fast, in a way it is a relief not to be burdened by the compulsion to do so anymore.

[Edward Dolan]

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> On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:17:17 PM UTC-5, Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]

> Maybe cycling is good for us after all if it makes us tough when we need
> to be.

>> Because of pain in my lower back and pelvis, I didn't ride at all last
>> year. I think the problem is scar tissue from radiation. I will give it
>> a go again this year now that I am feeling a somewhat better, but with
>> testosterone at castrate levels, my performance will never again be the
>> same and recovery between efforts slower. Consequently, I have no
>> intention of logging mega-miles and competing with those half my age.

>> Sadly, those days are behind me now. As much as I enjoyed mixing it up

>> with the younger set, riding hard, far, and fast, in a way it is a relief
>> not to be burdened by the compulsion to do so anymore.

It would never occur to me to try to keep up with those younger than myself.
Unlike you, I gave up on riding hard and fast decades ago. If riding an
upright causes much back pain, I would recommend a recumbent bicycle. You
will be slower over all, but you will be more comfortable although you may
have to tweak the seat a bit. The best thing about cycling is what it does
for the mind, not the body.

I notice in my walks around town that I am not as steady on my feet as I
used to be. If and when I ever get unsteady on my 2 wheel recumbents, I will
resort to my 3 wheel recumbents. The one thing I never want to do at my age
is take a fall. Everything changes over time ... and so do we!

Ed Dolan the Great

[jimmy...@yahoo.com]

On Friday, March 15, 2013 4:26:05 PM UTC-5, Edward Dolan wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> news:37916439-f224-4922...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:17:17 PM UTC-5, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Maybe cycling is good for us after all if it makes us tough when we need
>
> > to be.
>
>
>
> >> Because of pain in my lower back and pelvis, I didn't ride at all last
>
> >> year. I think the problem is scar tissue from radiation. I will give it
>
> >> a go again this year now that I am feeling a somewhat better, but with
>
> >> testosterone at castrate levels, my performance will never again be the
>
> >> same and recovery between efforts slower. Consequently, I have no
>
> >> intention of logging mega-miles and competing with those half my age.
>
> >> Sadly, those days are behind me now. As much as I enjoyed mixing it up
>
> >> with the younger set, riding hard, far, and fast, in a way it is a relief
>
> >> not to be burdened by the compulsion to do so anymore.
>
>
>
> It would never occur to me to try to keep up with those younger than myself.
>
> Unlike you, I gave up on riding hard and fast decades ago. If riding an
>
> upright causes much back pain, I would recommend a recumbent bicycle. You
>
> will be slower over all, but you will be more comfortable although you may
>
> have to tweak the seat a bit. The best thing about cycling is what it does
>
> for the mind, not the body.

The back an pelvic paid are due I believe to scar tissue in soft tissue from radiation, not from riding on an upright and this is problematic on either riding platform. As you will recall I have an have ridden both. Agreed about cycling and the mind.

[Edward Dolan]

wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:

> It would never occur to me to try to keep up with those younger than
> myself.
> Unlike you, I gave up on riding hard and fast decades ago. If riding an
> upright causes much back pain, I would recommend a recumbent bicycle. You
> will be slower over all, but you will be more comfortable although you may
> have to tweak the seat a bit. The best thing about cycling is what it does
> for the mind, not the body.

>> The back and pelvic pain are due I believe to scar tissue in soft tissue

>> from radiation, not from riding on an upright and this is problematic on

>> either riding platform. As you will recall I have ridden both. Agreed

>> about cycling and the mind.

There is no comparison between “riding platforms”. I have had a low back
problem like forever (and later an upper back problem) which prevented me
from riding an upright, but recumbents work great no matter where your back
problem is located. I don’t recall your recumbent (Lightning P-38 ?), but I
would give it a try and see how it works for you. However, I do think most
back problems are caused by osteoarthritis (hard tissue, not soft tissue),
so indeed that may be different than damage caused by radiation.

How nice we have this newsgroup all to ourselves but others are welcome to
contribute if they can stand the heat. Newsgroups are not for sissies.

Ed Dolan the Great