OT - Posters to cycling newsgroups all seem to be atheists!
Edward Dolan
with it on these cycling newsgroups. Even though I am an atheist, I like to
defend religion because I believe most folks are better off with it than
without it.
In the real world, most cyclists that I have ever met are quite religious.
They will even take time out from a tour to attend church on Sunday
mornings. Apparently, the kind of cyclists who post to Usenet newsgroups are
a special breed.
If you are without the faith, there is no help for it, but it behooves you
never to denigrate religion. Sometimes I think it is the only thing that
saves us from ourselves. We are all of us subject to illusion of one sort or
another. Progressive liberal secularism may be the greatest illusion of them
all. And it is highly religious as any fool would recognize. All you have
done is replaced God with Man. Not a good trade in my opinion.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Phil H
Disrespect religion,,,,,,,,,,sheesh. Go read Dawkins the God Delusion
then get back to us.
Phil H
Clueless
> It is quite remarkable to me how one can disrespect religion and get away
> with it on these cycling newsgroups. Even though I am an atheist, I like to
> defend religion because I believe most folks are better off with it than
> without it.
So you do NOT believe in it yourself, but you want the people to live
in hypocrisy for the hell of it? Or just to keep them in the cage for
fear of the predators and God?
One reason I've turned to attacking God is Atheists and Free Thinkers
seem to be of a better disposition to fight the lies and do something
about it.
I wished we could resolve this issue with God's or Christians' help,
but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Anyway, we should assume that God and the Christians supported the war
for a reason...
On Dec 19, 11:41 am, dillan <dferna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Liberals? Didn't they put Bush in charge of war and big business? That
> > wasn't God but the Christians themselves. ;)
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> lol.. yes yes.. God wants all that oil..-
Let's see why God is happy with that war:
a) He wants the oil to see the Christians happy,
b) He wants the war to fight Allah, who's an impostor,
c) He wants the war to bring democracy to Iraq,
d) He wants the war to unite us in His name... "God Bless America!"
So here we are, doing God's will. ;)
Clueless
> On 19 Dec, 08:22, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
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> > On 19 Dec, 04:27, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
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> > > It is quite remarkable to me how one can disrespect religion and get away
> > > with it on these cycling newsgroups. Even though I am an atheist, I like to
> > > defend religion because I believe most folks are better off with it than
> > > without it.
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> > > In the real world, most cyclists that I have ever met are quite religious.
> > > They will even take time out from a tour to attend church on Sunday
> > > mornings. Apparently, the kind of cyclists who post to Usenet newsgroups are
> > > a special breed.
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> > > If you are without the faith, there is no help for it, but it behooves you
> > > never to denigrate religion. Sometimes I think it is the only thing that
> > > saves us from ourselves. We are all of us subject to illusion of one sort or
> > > another. Progressive liberal secularism may be the greatest illusion of them
> > > all. And it is highly religious as any fool would recognize. All you have
> > > done is replaced God with Man. Not a good trade in my opinion.
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> > interfere with my life, like try to convert me on doorsteps, impose
> > their religious instruction on my kids at school, try to dominate
> > Sunday mornings on TV and radio, interfere with my shopping hours on
> > Sundays and worst of all impose mass public holy-days like Christ-Mass
> > where the essential infrastructure is partially shut down.
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> Although I'm an atheist, I've always rather liked Christmas. However,
> I must admit that your stance has changed my view. Now that I know
> that you hate it, and get really miserable about it, I really love
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I don't hate the Christians, I hate their choices of transportation,
their complacency, and their politicians.
In other words, I say like Gandhi (who was a real Christian)... "I
like your Christ but not your Christians!"
EVOLUTION OR REVOLUTION?
Clueless
ones are CONSUMPTION, DESTRUCTION AND WAR. I call it the HUNGRY LION,
and the results are obvious for everyone to see, so much so that the
Christians say we are ruled by the Devil...
But, wait a minute, we don't have a single member of Congress who says
he's an atheist, or at least that he doesn't believe in God. It would,
in all likelihood, ruin their careers. So it must be that every stupid
policy out there, from environmental destruction to the war on drugs,
from the lack of universal healthcare to the lack of room to ride a
mundane bike, are the direct result of the Christians, their elected
representatives --or God, if there's any.
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noego
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probably also an atheist. I also believe that we are better off with
religion than without it - as long as the religion is used for doing good.
There are atheists in many if not most newsgroups. They very ready to accuse
religious people of a large variety of evils, some true and some not. What
intrigues me is that they get quite vicious in their attacks, in my opinion
exhibiting the lack of tolerance they acribe to those who are religious.
This, of course, is a topic which always starts a good flame war.
When six weeks ago I saw that front of a car coming at me at about 20 miles
per hour, and I knew I'd be either dead or seriously injured, but got up not
even feeling the cracked ribs - I thought ever so briefly that there may
have been "someone looking after me" at that time.
Henry
TheTibetanMonkey
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You must be some special guy to God because he lets die children and
women to die in wars, automobile accidents, etc. Maybe the fact that
the car was coming so slowly had to do with it. But for me riding on
the road means dealing with cars going over 40miles per hour and I
don't think God can help me with that.
What worries me about God is that people often use him as an excuse
not to do something because everything is "God's will." Besides they
were active supporters of the Iraq war while more often than not are
"happy drivers." They also support the war on drugs (the same one
overpopulating our prisons and killing Mexicans), then prosecute
prostitution, euthanasia, gays, DUIs, and DENY CLIMATE CHANGE AND
SINGLE PAYER INSURANCE FOR ALL...
So yes, there's something out there... A LOT OF EVIL. ;)
SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, TALK NO EVIL.
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"The three wise monkeys were Christian"
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
They are classified as DARWINISTIC AND NON-DARWINISTIC (HUMANISTS).
That's an oversimplification, of course, but it helps also classify
the Christians the same way. Actually more Christians are DARWINISTIC
(SOCIAL DARWINISTIC, that is) than HUMANIST. So we make sense of all
this talk of classifying the world in BELIEVERS AND NON-BELIEVERS,
which is fatally flawed. In what practical way that helps us undertand
the world? Not much. But being on the side of the LITTLE FISH AGAINST
THE BIG FISH has a lot of practical applicattions.
I, for one, try to ride a bike and feel as threatened by the Christian
fish as I do by the Atheists behind the wheel. Actually it seems like
the Atheists are more inclined to be the little fish on the bike while
the Christian seem more inclined to be behind the wheel of the SUV. At
least I don't see many Darwinistic fish on their bumper stickers nor
do I see many bikes at church.
It may seem odd that a monkey may propose HUMANISM, but hey this is a
TIBETAN MONKEY.
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TheTibetanMonkey
I don't want to spoil Christmas for Christians, but there's this
question of shopping being a major form of worshipping...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypgs2s3lEzs
As you may have noticed, there's a HUNGRY LION, which is a central
character of my jungle stories, that they are feeding.
I will go now back to watching the movie since there's not much else
to do, and RIDING A BIKE is out of the question when so many
Christians are out there driving in a rush and minding their own
materialistic world.
I do like to think that by riding a bike I'm feeding bananas to the
lion, and that gets us one step closer toward a frugal, vegetarian
world.
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"Bananas and peanuts are all you need, the rest you must do in
moderation"
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> you should not lie an so insane lie that all athest here think you are
> completely nuts in the head about....only a complete insane person
> think athest don't use SUV's and Thest do use them....it is as insane
> as thinking ants secretly run the planet economy.
Since atheists believe in Darwinism, it would kind of natural for them
to try to be the biggest vehicle on the road... and yet most don't. It
happens they also have a moral commitment NOT to destroy the planet
and put others at risk for selfish reasons, I guess.
Christians however expect god to be in charge of things and dodge any
accusation of immorality. Often they deny Climate Change, as good
SneakySnakes that they are.
In other words, Christians are polluters and evil as well as
hypocrites while the Atheists would be acting their predation, and
must answer to the name of "predator."
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
cyclists as they wish, since they must stay off the roads in the first
place. Then drivers can keep burning gas and threatening others and
the planet without any opposition, even if it means denying the small
and moral cyclist to have a small share of the road.
This is the personification the HUNGRY LION displayed in the movie.
Some Christians though are not that stupid to openly admit their
predation... while others truly refuse to be part of the lie. The
movie ('What would Jesus buy?') is about the few moral Christians who
stand up to the lie-on.
NOTE: He encourages us to ride a bike path... which is the very thing
we are asking for. WE NEED OUR OWN SPACE IN THIS JUNGLE!
On Dec 26, 2:44 am, STB <Savingthefut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> you must be insane to think it is the christians that drive bad when
> we know it is your kind that does not care and so by not caring also
> do not care about others on the road... your kind are VAIN and they
> are as VAIN AS YOU ARE... so point not to they given teaching to care
> for others but they that are not given such teachings and plain are so
> vain they might kill you and not even notice...facts are facts...you
> are flaky and no one see why you cry about bike for if you were not a
> bit inane.
> IT IS NOT THE RIDING OF BIKES BUT TO MIX THEM WITH OTHERS LIKE YOU DO
> THAT MAKES YOU LOOK SO INSANE...bikes were never made to be on the
> road with cars and only FOOLS do it and only idiots complain cars have
> more rights on roads than they as if they do not have more rights on
> BIKE PATHS on and off the road of the USA and CANADA in most major
> cities so you can cross countries and never share a road with a car.
> So if you ride a boke on roads of cars or sidewalks of people you sure
> don't have any rights of way or passage and steal that by putting
> yourself and others in dangers...most evil thing on a road for cars is
> a biker and most evil for bikers is a car on the bike path... so dummy
> complaiun you don't have bike path and not that you are dumb and try
> to foce cars off or that religions are linked to bad drivers for you
> are the fool and too dumb to see basics of basics...do not share then
> complain they have shares!!!! stay off the roads fool you are a danger
> to cars and the poor victims of you vanity. Do like most of the planet
> is doing...........USE A BIKE PATH!
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
encouraging signs coming from the Atheists and Free Thinkers. Maybe
it's because they don't want to live in hypocrisy any more... Whatever
the reason, they say it like it is --and how it should be)
On Dec 26, 7:42 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bike paths create conflict points at intersections. It's not
> bikes that should be segregated to narrow deathtrap lanes,
> it's the cars.
Having being a cyclist and having debated in the bike forums for
years, I can tell all the pros and cons of bike paths. They are good
in one sense though: BRING PEOPLE OUT... AND THERE'S SAFETY IN
NUMBERS. They are also good for families if they are separated from
traffic.
Being realistic in America, and knowing how the money is short, I have
another solution: GIVE THE LANE TO CYCLISTS AND LET CARS GO AROUND
THEM. No money invested, but that would also take bringing order to
our chaotic jungle.
TheTibetanMonkey
> On Dec 27, 12:43 pm, TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-
> > Being realistic in America, and knowing how the money is short, I have
> > another solution: GIVE THE LANE TO CYCLISTS AND LET CARS GO AROUND
> > THEM.
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> Learn when to take control of a traffic lane, and when to yield.
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> > No money invested, but thatwouldalso take bringing order to
> > our chaotic jungle.
>
> The only authority worth a damn:
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> http://www.johnforester.com
Yeah, then it comes to a point that you know you can fight more
effectively through the Internet without all the personal risk,
conflict and humiliation involved. The only way I will take the lane
head on is if it is part of a coordinated campaign. The sidewalk is
the worst and the edge of the road offers not much improvement. Taking
the lane sends a strong message though.
The solution is taking the lane similar to Critical Mass, but in an
orderly way and keeping the other lanes open. And then we can take the
lane every day like a vehicle, not like CM every three months. Any
conflict would be quickly reported to the world. We can't possibly
lose that one. The hungry lion will have to bite the banana. ;)