McCain and Palin - Family Values -
Anton Berlin
MCCain Revealed on CNN has John McCain backpeddling when caught in a
lie about the difference between the court records and his
autobiography...
When John King confronted him McCain seemed a bit like ex-enron head
Ken Lay…
“what….. huh… that was a long time ago… I don’t really quite
remember… ooops I think I need to change my diapers again… CINDY! “
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2008/revealed.mccain.obama/
Turns out today, Sarah "Awe Shucks" Palin has a 17 year old daughter 5
months pregnant and that the baby with downs syndrome might have been
the teenagers also.
No this time it really is her baby....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palin-confirms-daughters-pregnancy-915378.html
Fred Fredburger
like this, the swiftboat vets, etc. drives the electoral process.
Anton Berlin
<FredFredbur...@WhereAreTheNachos.Huh> wrote:
> It's an awfully sad commentary on the American voting public that crap
> like this, the swiftboat vets, etc. drives the electoral process.
Truth? Credibility? Decision process? Responsibility? Those are the
core values.
This is not about the fact that teenagers make bad decisions, they do
everyday.
Donald Munro
> Turns out today, Sarah "Awe Shucks" Palin has a 17 year old daughter 5
> months pregnant and that the baby with downs syndrome might have been the
> teenagers also.
>
> http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/2008/08/30/bristol-palin-pregnancy-is-sarah-palin-s-baby-really-her-daughter-s.aspx
>
> No this time it really is her baby....
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palin-confirms-daughters-pregnancy-915378.html
Seems there's not much to keep people busy in Alaska.
Bill C
My first thought, along with hubby's old dui was "perfect progressive
family", only thing missing is the abortion. of the Downs kid, and the
daughters kid.
back at ya Anton
Bill C
Tom Kunich
news:ZIidnXrLYNs-tyHV...@comcast.com...
> It's an awfully sad commentary on the American voting public that crap
> like this, the swiftboat vets, etc. drives the electoral process.
It's an even sadder commentary that you use the term "Swiftboat Vets"
without even knowing the first thing about it.
Tom Kunich
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>
> My first thought, along with hubby's old dui was "perfect progressive
> family", only thing missing is the abortion. of the Downs kid, and the
> daughters kid.
Notice that the scum suckers are screaming about Palin but if she was a
Democrat you'd bet they'd be praising her for EXACTLY the same things. The
lowest of the low seems to be posting here lately.
Anton Berlin
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
Idiot Kunich, everyone here is in support of teeneage girls having
sex. It's the credibility, lying, decision-process cover-up thing.
Your time is over, republicunts.
Robert Chung
> but if she was a
> Democrat you'd bet they'd be praising her for EXACTLY the same things.
Maybe, maybe not. During their convention last week the Democrats
disappeared a guy for cheating on his wife with a younger blonde; this
week, the Republicans are going to be nominating a guy who did the
same.
Tom Kunich
news:054f4131-8bfd-4b16...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> Idiot Kunich, everyone here is in support of teeneage girls having
> sex. It's the credibility, lying, decision-process cover-up thing.
Want to bet some real money on the election?
Anton Berlin
> Want to bet some real money on the election?
I won't bet you. Not because I don't think the dems won't win but like
a typical republicunt you will do a back room deal that takes the
money from others (Arabs, purveyors of war, oil related, etc) and
pass your debt to our children and grandchildren.
We already know how republicans deal with "REAL MONEY"
Look at Bush's and the Republicans fiscal record: Four simple facts:
1. Tripled the trade deficit to $800 billion
2. Took a $237 billion dollar surplus budget and ran it down to a
negative $400 billion in just 4 short years.
3. Ran the national debt up to $9.1 trillion
4. And managed to take the dollar to post WWII lows against a basket
of world currencies.
Republicans crimes against the Constitution and Geneva convention are
well documented too numerous too mention.
The numbers of lies and obfuscations by the administartion are well
document and too numerous too mention.
And the number of sexual perversions by republicans and members of the
christian movement are well documented and too numerous too mention.
What thinking person would even try to defend these assholes? (Even
if they were hard wired to think that way themselves.) Just shut up
Kunich and stop demonstrating your ignorance. Maybe we will forget how
friggin looney you are in a few years.
Fred Fredburger
It is a series of lies and misrepresentations that many right wing
morons bought in to. The fact that you endorse their position is the
strongest possible indictment of it.
Fred Fredburger
> Notice that the scum suckers are screaming about Palin but if she was a
> Democrat you'd bet they'd be praising her for EXACTLY the same things.
You are absolutely the wrong person to criticize anyone for hypocrisy.
> The lowest of the low seems to be posting here lately.
>
Yes, I've noticed you're posting a lot.
ST
054f4131-8bfd-4b16...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com, "Anton
Berlin" <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Who lied? Who covered up Assbag?
The daughter is 5 months pregnant and her and the father are getting
married! Decision-process cover-up thing of what? What does the decision
have to do with you?
What is your beef with it Assbag?
Bill C
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
Got to give Obama credit for this bit:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080901/pl_afp/usvotepalinobama
Obama 'offended' by Palin rumor claims
Quoted:
"I hope I am as clear as I can be. So in case I am not, let me repeat,
we don't go after people's families, we don't get them involved in the
politics. It is not appropriate and it is not relevant," Obama told
reporters in Michigan.
"Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be,
and if I ever thought it was somebody in the campaign that was
involved in something like that they would be fired."
Obama also noted that his late mother had given birth to him when she
was only 18.
"I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. How
a family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the
topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me
understands that is off limits."
Looks like the holier than thou, and much more moral than us folks
over at Daily Kos trotted this out. They're not gutter trash like
Coulter though...
Bill C
Robert Chung
> Looks like the holier than thou, and much more moral than us folks
> over at Daily Kos trotted this out.
Yeah, if only it'd happened to a Democrat, the right could've
demonstrated how to handle themselves with tact, sensitivity, and
decorum.
Is there a betting line on Palin being forced into an Eagleton?
John Forrest Tomlinson
<trito...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quoting Barack Obama]
>"I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. How
>a family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the
>topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me
>understands that is off limits."
Nice firm statement.
Note that Palin believes that certain family issues that arise out of
similar situatons are an area for politics: if she had her way every
17-year-old who got pregnant would give birth. No choice about it.
Bill C
wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
>
She and many others believe that abortion is murder, is murder a
choice? Given the younger and younger age that fetuses are viable with
today's medical care where does that move the line on it being a human
being?
I'm pro-choice but I'm very concious of what that means. I here a ton
of denial of those things from other pro choice folks.
I'm not any bigger a fan of the christers and their sanctimony
either, and I don't see them putting up the money and care to provide
decent, loving, lives for all those children they want born to term.
The lives many, many of kids live today is at least as big an evil
IMO as abortion so I can grudgingly live with it. The anti-choice
folks need to provide decent concrete options, not just theology.
I don't use anti-abortion because know of VERY few folks in favor of
it, and they are nutcases of the first water. Slandering people as
"pro" abortion is sleazy at best. Murderer is an opinion though, and
still in debate in the courts, and ethics circles.
This is one with NO good answer and in serious need of respect and
decency from both sides.
Bill C
John Forrest Tomlinson
<trito...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I'm pro-choice but I'm very concious of what that means. I here a ton
>of denial of those things from other pro choice folks.
Bill, one of these days it'd be nice to hear you not diss the many
liberal people who believe in the same policies you do. It's soo
bizarre to read your positions and then, again and again, read you
throw in a line about how you're more independent or not aligned with
MoveOn or whatever.
Bill C
You know Coulter and Malkin would be foaming on it. The real problem
and question is who started it? This is where the "unnamed source"
shit is garbage. It could've been someone from Obama's campaign. It
could've been someone from McCains dirty tricks folks, or it could
have just been some conspiracy nutjob who took some time of the
"Israel blew up the WTC" circuit.
To the credit of the folks at DKos many of them raised exactly this
point, and were concerned with running with rumor as fact, and the
backlash if it turned out to be so.
Bill C
bjwe...@gmail.com
> On Sep 1, 4:33 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Looks like the holier than thou, and much more moral than us folks
> > over at Daily Kos trotted this out.
>
> Yeah, if only it'd happened to a Democrat, the right could've
> demonstrated how to handle themselves with tact, sensitivity, and
> decorum.
>
Can you imagine if this had happened to
Chelsea Clinton? There would have been
so much finger pointing, you'd see a sharp
increase in pundits coming down with finger
cancer.
> Is there a betting line on Palin being forced into an Eagleton?
I think the Republicans are in too deep to back
out now. Having chosen Palin to appeal to the
mom vote, if they dump her in favor of one of
the other possibilities (nearly all rich white guys)
because of something her kid did, it will alienate
the people they were trying to appeal to. It would
also reinforce the idea that anything that happens
in a family is mom's fault, which would be
unfortunate. Let them have their sudden embrace
of tolerance.
Ben
Bill C
wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:29:49 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
>
> > I'm pro-choice but I'm very concious of what that means. I here a ton
> >of denial of those things from other pro choice folks.
>
> Bill, one of these days it'd be nice to hear you not diss the many
> liberal people who believe in the same policies you do. It's soo
> bizarre to read your positions and then, again and again, read you
> throw in a line about how you're more independent or not aligned with
> MoveOn or whatever.
JT How many pro-choice folks do you hear justify their position by
insisting that it's not a life, or not viable, etc...? That's what I
was referring to.
I don't see how people can make that case, especially for late term
abortions, but they do.
Bill C
John Forrest Tomlinson
<trito...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Sep 1, 8:35 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:29:49 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
>>
>> <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > I'm pro-choice but I'm very concious of what that means. I here a ton
>> >of denial of those things from other pro choice folks.
>>
>> Bill, one of these days it'd be nice to hear you not diss the many
>> liberal people who believe in the same policies you do. It's soo
>> bizarre to read your positions and then, again and again, read you
>> throw in a line about how you're more independent or not aligned with
>> MoveOn or whatever.
>
>JT How many pro-choice folks do you hear justify their position by
>insisting that it's not a life, or not viable, etc...? That's what I
>was referring to.
Yeah, yeah, you're more independent, more thoughtful, etc etc. You
also have a perverse need to diss people who vote the same way you do
on issues. If you lived in a state where your vote mattered a lot on
issues like that, it'd seem like you're undermining what you believe
in in terms of the ways elections go.
Bill C
They'll keep her and are selling this big time. Dobson has already
embraced this as the "perfect" way for a family to handle this
situation. It's actually looking like a big positive among the
hardcore conservative base.
Bill C
Robert Chung
wrote:
> > Is there a betting line on Palin being forced into an Eagleton?
>
> I think the Republicans are in too deep to back
> out now. Having chosen Palin to appeal to the
> mom vote, if they dump her in favor of one of
> the other possibilities (nearly all rich white guys)
> because of something her kid did, it will alienate
> the people they were trying to appeal to. It would
> also reinforce the idea that anything that happens
> in a family is mom's fault, which would be
> unfortunate. Let them have their sudden embrace
> of tolerance.
Oh, no, I wasn't suggesting The Dead Pool because of her kid's
behavior -- I'm thinking more widely about the drip, drip, drip due to
the lack of vetting.
Robert Chung
> They'll keep her and are selling this big time. Dobson has already
> embraced this as the "perfect" way for a family to handle this
> situation. It's actually looking like a big positive among the
> hardcore conservative base.
If it's so much of a positive, why didn't their campaign release the
info earlier?
RicodJour
What's the Palin spread Eagleton?
R
Bill C
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
JT I wrote a long response and trashed it because it's flogging a
dead horse.
I wish I could get everything from one party. Unfortunately a lot of
things that are important to me are seriously opposed by the hardcore
of each party in turn. In a swing State I'd probably vote for the
party opposite that controlling, or projected to control Congress.
If I was absolutely forced to vote for one of these two I'd vote
Obama at this point and then fight like hell to limit the damage to
things I care about while encouraging him to fix the things I support
in his platform.
I don't think he's crazy enough to unilaterally expand the war into
Pakistan like he keeps insisting he's going to, but if he does I sure
as hell hope he's ready for all hell to break loose, and will fight
that by throwing out the rules, because it's gonna take that, and then
some to go get BinLaden and his supporters, and protectors in
Pakistans intelligence service. I'm betting that's rhetoric.
I'm betting that 95% of his platform is rhetoric too because it is
totally different from just about every vote he's made, and position
he's taken in the past. Even his supporters on the left are getting
anxious about this new "centrist" Obama. I don't think they have
enything to worry about. Maybe I'm just paranoid because GWB turned
out to be a lieing sack of shit and he really has changed his
positions, but things keep coming out that make me doubt it.
Bill C
Tom Kunich
> 1. Tripled the trade deficit to $800 billion
And how was it that they did that again? Perhaps you'd like to explain to us
what a trade deficit is and how it accumulates?
> 2. Took a $237 billion dollar surplus budget and ran it down to a
> negative $400 billion in just 4 short years.
Funny thing that people talking about Bosco's Billions never seem to be able
to find that positive cash flow in the national debt. Could it be that the
only positive flow was in your imagination and among the tricks played by
the Clinton money launderers when they used a lot of non-reported bills?
> 3. Ran the national debt up to $9.1 trillion
In case you missed it - conservative Republicans have complained about Bush
almost from the start. The interesting point here is that the Republican
Party is being run by the "conservative" Democrats that ran from the
Democrat Party when the extreme Liberal Clinton's came into power. So we're
really dealing with the Democrats East and the Democrats West instead of
Democrats and Republicans.
> 4. And managed to take the dollar to post WWII lows against a basket
> of world currencies.
No argument there. But tell me this - how would YOU have prevented that?
Bill C
This is working out well this way isn't it? Holding it back plays to
"it's none of the governement's business to mess with families"
rhetoric. Of course that only goes for "traditional" families of
course. As long as the kid is going to term, and getting married to
the dad then this can and is being painted as how everyone should deal
with these "unfortunate issues that will happen even in the best
families sometimes."
Has no bearing on the reality a lot of people are living where that
just isn't a possibility in a broken society.
Bill C
Tom Kunich
On Sep 1, 2:57 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> > Notice that the scum suckers are screaming about Palin but if she was a
> > Democrat you'd bet they'd be praising her for EXACTLY the same things.
> > The
> > lowest of the low seems to be posting here lately.
>
> Got to give Obama credit for this bit:
>
> we don't go after people's families, we don't get them involved in the
> politics. It is not appropriate and it is not relevant," Obama told
> reporters in Michigan.
Bill, I hope that you understand that this was a whole setup for Obama to
seem saintly.
But consider this - did you HEAR Obama saying that what this country needs
is someone with experience and not some nobody governor? I couldn't believe
he could do that with a straight face!
Tom Kunich
>
> They'll keep her and are selling this big time. Dobson has already
> embraced this as the "perfect" way for a family to handle this
> situation. It's actually looking like a big positive among the
> hardcore conservative base.
Bill, are you aware that a substantial percentage of married couples started
out exactly this way?
Bill C
>
> Oh, no, I wasn't suggesting The Dead Pool because of her kid's
> behavior -- I'm thinking more widely about the drip, drip, drip due to
> the lack of vetting.
Reading the x-tian conservative hardcore stuff I really think they
thought it would be somewhere between, not an issue, and a good one.
Almost everything I'm seeing is about the energized, and finally on
board far right. Looks like lots of the folks who were going to sit
this one out are now on board, and Limbaugh campaigning for her was a
huge factor IMO. Now he's on board too which McCain had to have.
I think this was actually a very well thought out, and vetted choice
by the campaign to appease the "base" without actually adding someone
of major substance that disagrees with McCain. If they lose, this will
set her up well as a future star unless she pulls a Dan Quayle, and
that's pretty doubtful from what I'm reading.
Bill C
Tom Kunich
I love to see you claiming that some 200 vets are liars and John Kerry was
the only one telling the truth. And even though he had a couple of vets on
his side they admitted that he offered them government jobs if they stood
with him.
You are surely demonstrating what you're made of.
ila...@gmail.com
> Turns out "maverick" means "liar"
>
> MCCain Revealed on CNN has John McCain backpeddling when caught in a
> lie about the difference between the court records and his
> autobiography...
>
> When John King confronted him McCain seemed a bit like ex-enron head
> Ken Lay…
>
> “what….. huh… that was a long time ago… I don’t really quite
> remember… ooops I think I need to change my diapers again… CINDY! “
>
> http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2008/revealed.mccain.obama/
>
> Turns out today, Sarah "Awe Shucks" Palin has a 17 year old daughter 5
> months pregnant and that the baby with downs syndrome might have been
> the teenagers also.
>
> http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/2008/08/30/bristol...
>
> No this time it really is her baby....
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palin-confirms-daugh...
I went to Guerneville today with my wife. We were confronted with
Obama signs everywhere with the implicit implication that "we vote
Obama here." I was pretty sure that if I brought up the secret ballot
and how they were so sure how all people in the all inclusive "we"
voted that things wouldn't work out too good. Either way, they were
very pet friendly, restaurants and cafes even brought water bowls for
our puppy.
-ilan
Fred Fredburger
> Got to give Obama credit for this bit:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080901/pl_afp/usvotepalinobama
>
> Obama 'offended' by Palin rumor claims
> Quoted:
Yeah, well, I'm sure there's a way of spinning this in some way such
that it shows how evil Obama truly is. Because he IS, you know? From a
certain warped perspective.
Any of the people that get anywhere close to the Presidency are at the
top of the bell curve in their chosen field. While it's reasonable to
recognize that top notch morality is not what's needed to get them
there, it's also important to recognize that being consistently stupid
or evil would stop them in their tracks.
I would suggest that we all recognize that McCain and Obama are both
good people who are doing their best. Same for Biden and Palin. I'm not
naive enough to believe that anyone would listen. Too many people enjoy
the drama of political theater too much to pass on it.
Bill C
wrote:
>
> Yeah, yeah, you're more independent, more thoughtful, etc etc.
No not in any sense. I'm just as hidebound, and militant about what I
believe. I don't think that your process of reaching the conclusions
that you have are any less valid than mine. You just came to a
different conclusion. That can be based on a million totally valid
things, and priorities. God forbid anyone hold me up as an example of
how to do things. If wisdom is learning from your mistakes I must be
piling up a boatload but I sure as hell wouldn't call me a wise man.
Wiseass maybe.
I'm sure it gets really tedious, and I don't relate shit back to my
life because it's about ME, but to put things into context for others
to see where my thought process was coming from, and provide points of
reference for debate on issues.
Hell, you and a bunch of other folks here have met me. Pretty hard to
paint me as any better than anyone else. I sure as hell don't try
that. Wouldn't want the job, and would die laughing at myself 'cause
I'm the most absent minded dumbass who does tons of stupid crap on a
regular basis that I know. I'm absolutely in awe of the depth of
knowledge, skill, and commitment to education and research from some
of the folks around here. I'm massively impressed with your
dedication, along with your intellectual depth, to doing good things
for people on a big stage.
I'm Joe Blow, blowing hot air, and doing little bits here and there
to help folks.
Bill C
Tom Kunich
>
> I think this was actually a very well thought out, and vetted choice
> by the campaign to appease the "base" without actually adding someone
> of major substance that disagrees with McCain. If they lose, this will
> set her up well as a future star unless she pulls a Dan Quayle, and
> that's pretty doubtful from what I'm reading.
Psst - won't McCain become the oldest ever when elected? He has a darn good
chance of dying in office and Palin assuming his office.
Tom Kunich
news:f97a689d-24e2-4384...@a2g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> I went to Guerneville today with my wife. We were confronted with
> Obama signs everywhere with the implicit implication that "we vote
> Obama here." I was pretty sure that if I brought up the secret ballot
> and how they were so sure how all people in the all inclusive "we"
> voted that things wouldn't work out too good. Either way, they were
> very pet friendly, restaurants and cafes even brought water bowls for
> our puppy.
A number of years ago we had a ride that started there and climbed all the
way to the moon. Then in pouring rain and fog so thick that you couldn't see
more than 20 feet on the bike, no shoulders on the roads, and traffic coming
by at 60 mph in that sort of visibility we descended to Highway 1 and
finally made it back into Guerneville where we first saw a big sign across
the road "Gay Pride Celebrations". As we got into town and tried to put
everything into the cars and get out of there, gays were having sex in the
bushes next to the cars, in the adjacent park, and all over town in the
open!
Bill C
Robert, This is a good general story on what I'm seeing:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.evangelicals/index.html
By Rebecca Sinderbrand
CNN
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- Key evangelical leaders rallied to Sarah
Palin's support Monday amid news that her 17-year-old daughter,
Bristol, was having a child.
Sarah Palin confirmed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is
pregnant.
"Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby,"
conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. "But now with
this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family
lives its pro-life values."
<<bunch snipped>>
Speculation by some on blogs that Palin's son Trig was actually
Bristol's child had led to outrage among conservatives.
Any comment by Democrats that is viewed as remotely critical could
make both Sarah and Bristol Palin appear to be sympathetic victims of
a political vendetta.
By Monday afternoon, evangelical leaders were circling the wagons.
"The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a
'hypocrite,' but all it really means is that she and her family are
human," Dobson said. "They are in my prayers and those of millions of
Americans."
More there, and lots more at their sites and news e-mails
Bill C
Howard Kveck
Robert Chung <rec...@gmail.com> wrote:
She was vetted alright - by Dobson's people. That's who McCain is appealing to
with her as his VP choice. As for Palin's pregnant daughter: it is her choice and I'd
prefer that she be left alone to deal with it. However, in light of her mom's stance
on sex ed and how nasty it is unless it's abstinance only sex ed, I have to call
"hypocrite" on them, or "suckers". The reason DKos brought it up had a lot to do with
S Palin's bizarre behavior in flying from Texas to some podunk hospital in Alaska
while allegedly pregnant with a Down's Syndrome kid *after* her water had broken, and
the fact that the flight attendents said that they saw no evidence she was pregnant.
That and the fact that the daughter had been missing from school for some time. It
all looked very curious.
--
tanx,
Howard
The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Howard Kveck
Robert Chung <rec...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh yeah - the Eagleton thing does seem like a good prospect but they may well just
brazen it out with her.
Anton Berlin
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I wasn't a clinton fan either. He benefitted from a time in history
but none the less Bush f**ked this country into the gutter. Maybe our
time had come anyway, the world is getting smaller, we don't make
anything anymore other than entertainment and weapons, others work way
harder than us, aren't bound by lack of science and math and dogma and
are hungrier than us.
We sold this country to corporations a long time ago.
I don't know if IT can be fixed. About 20 years ago I recall reading
that by 2060 we would have the same standard of living as China. And
I used to laugh at that notion.
Looks like the only reason I can laugh now is that by then I should be
dead by then but I wonder how much social unrest can be absorbed by
the lottery personality that this nation has.
Try to earn enough to get into a gated community, an armoured merc 600
and try not to leave the house unless you have to is my advice to
everyone. LOL
Fred Fredburger
> "Fred Fredburger" <FredFre...@WhereAreTheNachos.Huh> wrote in
> message news:msednTXiNt_cyiHV...@comcast.com...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> "Fred Fredburger" <FredFre...@WhereAreTheNachos.Huh> wrote in
>>> message news:ZIidnXrLYNs-tyHV...@comcast.com...
>>>> It's an awfully sad commentary on the American voting public that
>>>> crap like this, the swiftboat vets, etc. drives the electoral process.
>>>
>>> It's an even sadder commentary that you use the term "Swiftboat Vets"
>>> without even knowing the first thing about it.
>>
>> It is a series of lies and misrepresentations that many right wing
>> morons bought in to. The fact that you endorse their position is the
>> strongest possible indictment of it.
>
> I love to see you claiming that some 200 vets are liars and John Kerry
> was the only one telling the truth. And even though he had a couple of
> vets on his side they admitted that he offered them government jobs if
> they stood with him.
>
> You are surely demonstrating what you're made of.
>
Yes, I know that you fully agree with all the one-sided, poisonous crap
that applies to Democrats and viciously denounce all of the same that
applies to Republicans. You are predictably hypocritical. You revel in
the name-calling, vilifying bullshit when it suits your purpose, and
call everyone else a hypocrite when it does not.
And I know there is 0.00001% chance that you will ever grow up enough to
realize how childishly one-sided you are about politics, but I continue
to hope nonetheless.
Anton Berlin
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
Yeah, there's a big difference between a healthy 45 year old candidate
picking a Palin and a guy with one foot in the grave doing it.
PS, this is true. A friend of mine that dumped $10k to have dinner
and photo taken with McCain a few months ago (BTW McCain is very small
and looks like grin death) said that he was now voting for Obama.
Anton Berlin
> everything into the cars and get out of there, gays were having sex in the
> bushes next to the cars, in the adjacent park, and all over town in the
> open!
Sounds like a bunch of republican politicians to me.
Fred Fredburger
> I love to see you claiming that some 200 vets are liars and John Kerry
> was the only one telling the truth.
Make your choice here, Tommy, either:
A) The swift boat vets where deplorably dishonest.
or:
B) John McCain was an unwitting dupe of the Kerry campaign:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/08/06/MNGUT83SS41.DTL
Let's hear about how much smarter than McCain you are.
Robert Chung
> On Sep 1, 9:19 pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 1, 5:47 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > They'll keep her and are selling this big time. Dobson has already
> > > embraced this as the "perfect" way for a family to handle this
> > > situation. It's actually looking like a big positive among the
> > > hardcore conservative base.
>
> > If it's so much of a positive, why didn't their campaign release the
> > info earlier?
>
> Robert, This is a good general story on what I'm seeing:
Yeah, I'm not doubting that this is what you're seeing. I'm simply
saying that it's post hoc spin. If it weren't, they would have
championed it earlier; or else the daughter would've married her
boyfriend the moment they found out she was pregnant, just like her
mom: Sarah and Todd Palin eloped and then their eldest child was born
seven months later.
Kurgan Gringioni
>
> Who lied? Who covered up Assbag?
> The daughter is 5 months pregnant and her and the father are getting
> married! Decision-process cover-up thing of what? What does the decision
> have to do with you?
Dumbass -
Since she's trying to be vice-president, quite a bit. Read below.
From:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/01/MN4612MCRH.DTL
When she ran for governor of Alaska in 2006, Sarah Palin was asked if
she would support abstinence-before-marriage programs over sex
education, school clinics and contraceptive distribution. She was firm
in her answer: "Explicit sex ed programs will not find my support."
<snip><end>
Mike Jacoubowsky
>> of world currencies.
>
> No argument there. But tell me this - how would YOU have prevented that?
$10,000,000,000/month in recurring expenditures, increasing the money
supply, keeping interest rates artificially low...
That's a good part of the cause. It's not as if it happened without help.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:f7-dnbJ1caSNASHV...@earthlink.com...
Mike Jacoubowsky
message news:pMCdnfj-fpXrLSHV...@comcast.com...
Well yes, but McCain did go on to say, in the same article, "I think George
Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam
War."
So much for credibility! :>)
Donald Munro
> "Gay Pride Celebrations". As we got into town and tried to put
>> everything into the cars and get out of there, gays were having sex in
>> the bushes next to the cars, in the adjacent park, and all over town in
>> the open!
Anton Berlin wrote:
> Sounds like a bunch of republican politicians to me.
So the Minnesota airport toilets must have been out of commission.
Donald Munro
> And I know there is 0.00001% chance that you will ever grow up enough to
> realize how childishly one-sided you are about politics, but I continue to
> hope nonetheless.
Modernize SchwartSoft so they support neural networks if you want him
to be more flexible.
Donald Munro
>> They'll keep her and are selling this big time. Dobson has already
>> embraced this as the "perfect" way for a family to handle this
>> situation. It's actually looking like a big positive among the hardcore
>> conservative base.
Tom Kunich wrote:
> Bill, are you aware that a substantial percentage of married couples
> started out exactly this way?
But if they had proper sex education and knew about contraception they
might not have.
John Forrest Tomlinson
<trito...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> JT I wrote a long response and trashed it because it's flogging a
>dead horse.
>I wish I could get everything from one party.
Just stop. You don't wish that so don't even bother saying it.
You love to talk about how subtle and complex your political view are.
And you especially love to say you support X except for all the
liberals tha support it. Again and again with liberal causes.
John Forrest Tomlinson
<trito...@verizon.net> wrote:
>If they lose, this will
>set her up well as a future star unless she pulls a Dan Quayle, and
>that's pretty doubtful from what I'm reading.
Yeah, she's got way more energy than Quayle and comes a
non-establishment background which is nice.
John Forrest Tomlinson
<truth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine that dumped $10k to have dinner
>and photo taken with McCain a few months ago (BTW McCain is very small
>and looks like grin death) said that he was now voting for Obama.
John Forrest Tomlinson
<kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>When she ran for governor of Alaska in 2006, Sarah Palin was asked if
>she would support abstinence-before-marriage programs over sex
>education, school clinics and contraceptive distribution. She was firm
>in her answer: "Explicit sex ed programs will not find my support."
Well, at least she's living with her decision...
Seriously, this is less-hypocrical than some scary male church dude
preventing girls and women from getting info. I don't like it though
- and clearly causing unplanned pregancies...
Robert Chung
> finally made it back into Guerneville where we first saw a big sign across
> the road "Gay Pride Celebrations". As we got into town and tried to put
> everything into the cars and get out of there, gays were having sex in the
> bushes next to the cars, in the adjacent park, and all over town in the
> open!
Ah. That was Monte Rio, not Guerneville, which is about a mile away.
You found Bohemian Grove.
Bill C
wrote:
>
> You love to talk about how subtle and complex your political view are.
> And you especially love to say you support X except for all the
> liberals tha support it. Again and again with liberal causes.
Lets beat this yet again, and you could google it up. Liberals are NOT
evil, never have been. They've done massive amounts of good things
which are well documented, anything else is BS. I have problems with
the current definition of "liberal" when they support silencing debate
on campuses due to politics. Banning speech because it's offensive.
Attempting to strip any trace of God from our governmental system,
like removing "In God We Trust" from the dollar bill and banning
moments of silence4 in school, and stopping voluntary prayer.
Those are NOT traditional liberal positions IMO those are the folks,
along with the extremist, anti-military, anti gun, anarchist fringe.
It's very possible to reasonably be all of those to a degree IMO but,
like the Conservatives they've got their large hardcore who IS there
that's too far out for me.
This is in NO way a defense of those "conservative" folks. That's
another discussion.
Both you andd TK tell me my views are all over the place, bizarre,
and don't follow anyone's platform. I'm amused by that, and they are
what they are.
Summing them up is pretty simple. America is supposed to be the "land
of opportunity" so we need to make sure everyone has a chance, and
that means decent basic education, and access to higher education for
those who choose it. Basic, decent housing and health support so
healthy children have a place to live and a chance to learn.
Protection from predatory criminals for the same reasons and so they
have the freedom to function.
America is based on freedom. That needs to be protected, but also
requires massive responsibility from it's people too. Decent, civil
behavior first and foremost. People aren't free if they are being
preyed on. That's why criminals need to be removed, and wether we kill
them or warehouse them is open to debate, but they need to be off the
streets. Not all folks who screw up are going to be "criminals" so
almost all first, and maybe even second offenders, depending, need
access to real rehab programs, medical and mental health care,
education, etc...Just getting a base under society would prevent a lot
of these folks from getting into the system in the first place IMO
too, but that doesn't mean a free ride for life either.
That said the key is to provide as much freedom to people as
possibly, and that means free from government interference too. That
means guaranteed control of your property with incredibly limited
interference unless your rights conlicted, directly with anothers.
Then it would go into the courts. We fail miserably at that. Unlike
Greg I'm willing to fund the goverment by taxes for the stuff we do
need. Oversight of commerce should be in the criminal realm. Speech
should not be banned because someone might react violently to it, that
seems to be the current liberal standard. The person reacting
violently should have better control. This is a gateway to silence
anything you don't like by "acting out". It's pure intimidation. It
was used for way too long against freedom for all and civil rights
here. I don't want it back but it's growing.
Then we could go into individual issues but they would be under the
basic principles, and some are impossible, such as abortion.
This basic philosophy seems to put me at odds with just about
everyone today. I'm comfortable with the basic principles. I'm totally
uncomfortable with all the details and they keep changing based on
what happens out in the world. I think everyone who's not a sheep does
what I do and the results may very well differ wildly. That doesn't
make my positions any more concretely correct than anyone elses. It
depends on what you value, and prioritize.
Bill C
Robert Chung
> Is there a betting line on Palin being forced into an Eagleton?
Current odds about 6-1.
Bill C
If that was the case then there are laws governing that behavior that
are indifferent to sexual orientation of those involved. Sounds like a
law enforcement failure, and a personal responsibility failure to me.
Northampton here is damned near the Lesbian capital of America, and
we have a parade every year. Never see any of that stuff going on,
damn it....;-)
Bill C
Bill C
this morning, and Limbaugh, Dobson, and others were working like hell
for her long before the pick. With them it was her, or Huckabee pretty
much.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=34213
I don't think McCain picked her happily, but it's his best option from
a Machieavellian standpoint. Obama's lack of experience allows this to
be a viable pick, along with Carter and Clinton's lack of credentials
going in too.
Long history of minimally qualified Presidential, let alone vice-
presidential candidates.
As for this being cause to jettison her I don't see it. Bill Clinton
had much more baggage from a "moral" standpoint coming in and dem's
didn't give a shit. The conservatives are, usually, screwed by their
hypocrisy though. It's amazing who they are willing to forgive, and
who they aren't.
I have a huge problem with her on sex-ed, as long as there is a
parental opt out for the class, but I have a huge problem with those
who don't want abstinence taught either. All options need to be
available for kids and standard sex ed doesn't need to start out "We
KNOW you're going to have sex" which some do.
Bill C
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=34213d
Bill C
The idea that blocking education, and condom availability is going to
prevent ALL sex is moronic. It just forces some kids into unprotected
sex. It may prevent some kids, but it sure as hell isn't a real
barrier to a horny teenage male. Sometimes you have to limit the
damage from what you can't prevent. People who are morally and
ethically opposed shouldn't be forced into providing these services
though, any more than anti-war teachers should be forced to aid
recruiting efforts. They should be allowed to step aside and have it
done by someone else.
Bill C
Ted van de Weteringe
> The idea that blocking education, and condom availability is going to
> prevent ALL sex is moronic. It just forces some kids into unprotected
> sex. It may prevent some kids, but it sure as hell isn't a real
> barrier to a horny teenage male.
Or a horny teenage female. Or are you suggesting that all horny teenage
males that end up having sex are either rapists, gay or gerontophiliacs?
Bill C
wrote:
> Bill C schreef:
>
>
> Or a horny teenage female. Or are you suggesting that all horny teenage
> males that end up having sex are either rapists, gay or gerontophiliacs?
Nah, just a force of nature. I think females still retain the ability
to use their brains, for the most part, during those years and aren't
quite as bad. Also the consequences for them are immediate, and severe
where for lots of guys there aren't many.
Bill C
Tom Kunich
news:dU3vk.8318$np7....@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> 4. And managed to take the dollar to post WWII lows against a basket
>>> of world currencies.
>>
> > news:f7-dnbJ1caSNASHV...@earthlink.com...
>
> $10,000,000,000/month in recurring expenditures, increasing the money
> supply, keeping interest rates artificially low...
>
> That's a good part of the cause. It's not as if it happened without help.
What are you talking about Mike?
Tom Kunich
news:c8959c71-5165-4072...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 2, 5:58 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Bill C wrote:
> > >> They'll keep her and are selling this big time. Dobson has already
> > >> embraced this as the "perfect" way for a family to handle this
> > >> situation. It's actually looking like a big positive among the
> > >> hardcore
> > >> conservative base.
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > Bill, are you aware that a substantial percentage of married couples
> > > started out exactly this way?
> >
> > But if they had proper sex education and knew about contraception they
> > might not have.
>
> The idea that blocking education, and condom availability is going to
> prevent ALL sex is moronic.
The idea that the schools should teach something that is a parent's
responsibility is even more moronic. The very fact that people would suggest
that schools SHOULD teach such things is completely beyond reason and those
that don't understand it are making a complete statement of their mental
abilities right there.
Tom Kunich
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "Fred Fredburger" <FredFre...@WhereAreTheNachos.Huh> wrote in message
>> news:msednTXiNt_cyiHV...@comcast.com...
>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> "Fred Fredburger" <FredFre...@WhereAreTheNachos.Huh> wrote in
>>>> message news:ZIidnXrLYNs-tyHV...@comcast.com...
>>>>> It's an awfully sad commentary on the American voting public that crap
>>>>> like this, the swiftboat vets, etc. drives the electoral process.
>>>>
>>>> It's an even sadder commentary that you use the term "Swiftboat Vets"
>>>> without even knowing the first thing about it.
>>>
>>> It is a series of lies and misrepresentations that many right wing
>>> morons bought in to. The fact that you endorse their position is the
>>> strongest possible indictment of it.
>>
>> I love to see you claiming that some 200 vets are liars and John Kerry
>> was the only one telling the truth. And even though he had a couple of
>> vets on his side they admitted that he offered them government jobs if
>> they stood with him.
>>
>> You are surely demonstrating what you're made of.
>
> Yes, I know that you fully agree with all the one-sided, poisonous crap
> that applies to Democrats and viciously denounce all of the same that
> applies to Republicans.
So you're changing the subject? Come on. Explain to us again how that
shitfaced John Kerry was telling the truth and 200 others were all lying. It
is really interesting to see just what lengths you'll go to.
Tom Kunich
>
> Well yes, but McCain did go on to say, in the same article, "I think
> George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the
> Vietnam War."
Tell me Mike, what service were you in?
Tom Kunich
> On Sep 1, 7:38 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > finally made it back into Guerneville where we first saw a big sign
> > across
> > the road "Gay Pride Celebrations". As we got into town and tried to put
> > everything into the cars and get out of there, gays were having sex in
> > the
> > bushes next to the cars, in the adjacent park, and all over town in the
> > open!
>
> are indifferent to sexual orientation of those involved. Sounds like a
> law enforcement failure, and a personal responsibility failure to me.
Eh? Hundreds of queers vs two cops?
> Northampton here is damned near the Lesbian capital of America, and
> we have a parade every year. Never see any of that stuff going on,
> damn it....;-)
Bill, lesbians aren't ANYTHING like male homosexuals. They have completely
different motivations for the most part. And it shows in the way they act.
Bill C
> The idea that the schools should teach something that is a parent's
> responsibility is even more moronic. The very fact that people would suggest
> that schools SHOULD teach such things is completely beyond reason and those
> that don't understand it are making a complete statement of their mental
> abilities right there.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tom I'd agree if this wasn't a huge public health issue, and parenting
failure. It falls under basic health education IMO, but, and this is a
huge but, parents should have the right to opt their kids out with NO
questions asked, or repercussions of any sort. I'd rather pay for the
health classes than unwanted kids, or abortions with my taxes. Either
way we are going to pay.
Bill C
Donald Munro
> Lets beat this yet again, and you could google it up. Liberals are NOT
> evil
But I wanna be evil so I can have my own axis.
Mike Jacoubowsky
news:auadnX5V9MbLzyDV...@earthlink.com...
Are you trying to deflect the discussion? I see no relevance to your
question. Not that relevance is much of an issue on rbr...
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
>
> Bill, lesbians aren't ANYTHING like male homosexuals. They have
> completely different motivations for the most part. And it shows in the
> way they act.
Please, PLEASE tell me about lesbian motivations, Tom!
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
Doug Reese
> "Fred Fredburger" <Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos.Huh> wrote in
> messagenews:cZKdnTXFWbyLMyHV...@comcast.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> "Fred Fredburger" <FredFredbur...@WhereAreTheNachos.Huh> wrote in message
> >>news:msednTXiNt_cyiHV...@comcast.com...
> >>> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> messagenews:ZIidnXrLYNs-tyHV...@comcast.com...
> >>>>> It's an awfully sad commentary on the American voting public that crap
> >>>>> like this, the swiftboat vets, etc. drives the electoral process.
>
> >>>> It's an even sadder commentary that you use the term "Swiftboat Vets"
> >>>> without even knowing the first thing about it.
>
> >>> It is a series of lies and misrepresentations that many right wing
> >>> morons bought in to. The fact that you endorse their position is the
> >>> strongest possible indictment of it.
>
> >> I love to see you claiming that some 200 vets are liars and John Kerry
> >> was the only one telling the truth. And even though he had a couple of
> >> vets on his side they admitted that he offered them government jobs if
> >> they stood with him.
Admitted they were offerred government jobs? Sorry, but that's a lie.
And shame on you (whoever posted it) for telling it and/or passing in
on. . . . .
> >> You are surely demonstrating what you're made of.
>
> > Yes, I know that you fully agree with all the one-sided, poisonous crap
> > that applies to Democrats and viciously denounce all of the same that
> > applies to Republicans.
>
> So you're changing the subject? Come on. Explain to us again how that
> shitfaced John Kerry was telling the truth and 200 others were all lying.
If you are talking about Kerry's service in Vietnam, there weren't
anywhere close to 200 guys (the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth"
actually ended up with 255 members) who could attest to it, as most of
thse guys didn't so much as see Kerry in Vietnam, and only a mere
handful went out on operations with him.
>It
> is really interesting to see just what lengths you'll go to.
Don't know about him, but it's clear as to what lengths you went to.
Doug Reese
Donald Munro
>> Bill, lesbians aren't ANYTHING like male homosexuals. They have
>> completely different motivations for the most part. And it shows in the
>> way they act.
> Please, PLEASE tell me about lesbian motivations, Tom!
Me too. I want a hot lesbian to mud wrestle with.
SLAVE of THE STATE
> Republicans crimes against the Constitution ...
Moron,
No one who votes democrat gets to make that complaint.
SLAVE of THE STATE
> On Sep 1, 7:47 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> > > On Sep 1, 5:47 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > They'll keep her and are selling this big time. Dobson has already
> > > > embraced this as the "perfect" way for a family to handle this
> > > > situation. It's actually looking like a big positive among the
> > > > hardcore conservative base.
>
> > > info earlier?
>
> > Robert, This is a good general story on what I'm seeing:
>
> Yeah, I'm not doubting that this is what you're seeing. I'm simply
> saying that it's post hoc spin.
Yeah, sure. It would have been pure political genius to say it when
they introduced Palin to the ticket, rather than wait on that part.
SLAVE of THE STATE
> Bill C wrote:
> >> They'll keep her and are selling this big time. Dobson has already
> >> embraced this as the "perfect" way for a family to handle this
> >> situation. It's actually looking like a big positive among the hardcore
> >> conservative base.
> > Bill, are you aware that a substantial percentage of married couples
> > started out exactly this way?
>
> But if they had proper sex education and knew about contraception they
> might not have.
Would that be "right" or "wrong?" What is "proper?" Who is to
administer it "properly" and why? (By what power/right/privilege?)
Side note: There is a "necessary and proper" clause in the US
constitution. "_And_" and "_proper_" got back-doored out of
existence. "_Necessary_" came to mean "_sufficient_." It was
supposed to be a high barrier to power. That is why it had to go.
So I like to ask what "proper" means. It usually means one person/
group imposing their values on others by threat of (violent) force.
SLAVE of THE STATE
> On Sep 1, 9:17 pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Oh, no, I wasn't suggesting The Dead Pool because of her kid's
> > behavior -- I'm thinking more widely about the drip, drip, drip due to
> > the lack of vetting.
>
> Reading the x-tian conservative hardcore stuff I really think they
> thought it would be somewhere between, not an issue, and a good one.
> Almost everything I'm seeing is about the energized, and finally on
> board far right. Looks like lots of the folks who were going to sit
> this one out are now on board, and Limbaugh campaigning for her was a
> huge factor IMO. Now he's on board too which McCain had to have.
> I think this was actually a very well thought out, and vetted choice
> by the campaign to appease the "base" without actually adding someone
> of major substance that disagrees with McCain. If they lose, this will
> set her up well as a future star unless she pulls a Dan Quayle, and
> that's pretty doubtful from what I'm reading.
Dumbass,
They also hope to get "middle-of-the-road" women, and maybe even men.
It was to shore up _both sides_ of appeal. Maybe it will work. I
dunno, but it was a pretty bold move, which I like in bike races.
Who-the-fuck is qualified? Let's see,... you got three fucking
senators {snooze-fest losers} -- one of which has about 18 months of
experience -- and an 18 month guvner. Palin is the only one who seems
to be much of an outsider. The other three are die-hard statists.
Quality margin so far goes to: Republicans.
ST
36b2de58-1518-4ef6...@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "Kurgan
Gringioni" <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 1, 4:21 pm, ST <sdst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Who lied? Who covered up Assbag?
>> The daughter is 5 months pregnant and her and the father are getting
>> married! Decision-process cover-up thing of what? What does the decision
>> have to do with you?
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> Since she's trying to be vice-president, quite a bit. Read below.
>
> From:
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/01/MN4612MCRH.DTL
>
> When she ran for governor of Alaska in 2006, Sarah Palin was asked if
> she would support abstinence-before-marriage programs over sex
> education, school clinics and contraceptive distribution. She was firm
> in her answer: "Explicit sex ed programs will not find my support."
>
> <snip><end>
Where is the lie Assbag?
SLAVE of THE STATE
wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
>
> <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> [quoting Barack Obama]
>
> >"I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. How
> >a family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the
> >topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me
> >understands that is off limits."
>
> Nice firm statement.
>
> Note that Palin believes that certain family issues that arise out of
> similar situatons are an area for politics: if she had her way every
> 17-year-old who got pregnant would give birth. No choice about it.
Regardless of your feelings one way or the other, the federal guvmint
has zero power to say or do squat about abortion. It is left to the
people of the states. This is the law of the land. Anti-
constitutional rulings are not law, they have the mere procedural look
of law. They are an abomination.
<http://www.amazon.com/GOVERNMENT-JUDICIARY-RAOUL-BERGER/dp/0865971447/
>
First: Get the guvmint to abide by its own laws -- constrain it to be
within the limits of its powers.
Second: Determine if a proposed statute, or any kind of existing law,
squares with justice.
Statutes pose greater risk in violating justice, as they are broad in
scope. I prefer customary law first, then common law, and last,
statute law.
"A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the
law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the
moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: an unjust law
is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any
law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades
human personality is unjust." -- Martin Luther King, 'Letters from
Birmingham jail'
SLAVE of THE STATE
<Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos.Huh> wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > Got to give Obama credit for this bit:
>
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080901/pl_afp/usvotepalinobama
>
> > Obama 'offended' by Palin rumor claims
> > Quoted:
>
> Yeah, well, I'm sure there's a way of spinning this in some way such
> that it shows how evil Obama truly is. Because he IS, you know? From a
> certain warped perspective.
>
> Any of the people that get anywhere close to the Presidency are at the
> top of the bell curve in their chosen field. While it's reasonable to
> recognize that top notch morality is not what's needed to get them
> there, it's also important to recognize that being consistently stupid
> or evil would stop them in their tracks.
>
> I would suggest that we all recognize that McCain and Obama are both
> good people who are doing their best. Same for Biden and Palin. I'm not
> naive enough to believe that anyone would listen. Too many people enjoy
> the drama of political theater too much to pass on it.
Neither do I believe that any of the 4 people on the 2 tickets are
"evil," as some sort of _intentional plot_ or conspiracy. The badness
comes (in _part_) from the nature of politics itself, for which the
polity itself holds some "responsibility." I mean to say, the
politicians play to the audience; and who can blame them for that, for
that is the definition of what they do. They do what the polity "sez"
works.
A danger lies in "the good" that a politician believes they can do;
where they _intend_ to actually do good. This is where they do not
understand the actual and complete effects of their actions. This is
where their actions unjustifiably affect others, in ways they will not
acknowledge or notice. The cause-of-effects can be difficult to
disentangle, thus handing a free ticket to the politician.
I do not mean to say that by today's sensibilities, that particular
actions of some politicians (yesterday and today) cannot be condemned,
they can. This is not to say that corruption won't take place: it
will. But I cannot say this about any of the candidates, as of yet.
I think they believe they are "doing good."
I believe that the effects of statist ideology are largely in the
negative. Therefore, the more statist the ideology, the more I
dislike it, and the more I call it "evil."
Since socialism cannot survive without statism, and socialism is
inherently unjust and anti-progress, I hate socialism. The democratic
party are essentially fabian socialists. Therefore, I strongly
dislike the democratic platform, and disapprove of any such candidate,
since they must inevitably carry the platform. The republican party
is about two steps behind, which makes them only marginally better,
but better is better.
The democrats rejoice at GWB, since he single-handedly destroyed the
branding of the republican party, as at least marginally better than
the democrats. I mean this when it comes to people like me, who
believe that power (guvmint), if it must exist, must be sharply
constrained. (That is, I want the /promise/ of the constitution of
_limited guvmint_ to be fulfilled, or else do away with the guvmint.)
The "Obama is evil" shorthand is explained by the syllogism:
Syllogism:
1. Socialism is evil.
2. Obama is a socialist.
3. Obama is therefore evil.
lol. See how easy I make it?
Bill C
> On Sep 1, 5:00 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
>
> > <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > [quoting Barack Obama]
>
> > >"I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. How
> > >a family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the
> > >topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me
> > >understands that is off limits."
>
> > Nice firm statement.
>
> > Note that Palin believes that certain family issues that arise out of
> > similar situatons are an area for politics: if she had her way every
> > 17-year-old who got pregnant would give birth. No choice about it.
>
> Regardless of your feelings one way or the other, the federal guvmint
> has zero power to say or do squat about abortion. It is left to the
> people of the states. This is the law of the land. Anti-
> constitutional rulings are not law, they have the mere procedural look
> of law. They are an abomination.
>
Call it what you want, but the effect on the ground, backed by the
force of the federal government makes it happen, if they so choose. An
abomination isn't any better than a horrible law.
You pay your taxes, right. Why, because the government has the force
to do what they want, and use it. As you said the Constitution is what
the current crop of ideologues hand picked for their activist
positions says it is, not what the documentation, and tradition says
it is.
Noone gives a shit. The ACLU's hypocrisy hit a high spot with hte
Heller decision when they said we don't think that's what the
Constitution meant so we aren't going to change our activities.
They're not about guaranteeing constitutional rights except as they
see them, not the as the highest court says they are.
Toilet paper.
Bill C
Robert Chung
> > Yeah, I'm not doubting that this is what you're seeing. I'm simply
> > saying that it's post hoc spin. If it weren't, they would have
> > championed it earlier; or else the daughter would've married her
> > boyfriend the moment they found out she was pregnant, just like her
> > mom: Sarah and Todd Palin eloped and then their eldest child was born
> > seven months later.
> I don't think McCain picked her happily, but it's his best option from
> a Machieavellian standpoint.
Man, those Machiavellian plans are getting better and better. Bristol
Palin's baby daddy (think Fox is going to describe him that way?) is
flying out to the Republican convention. I'm sure that was the plan
all along.
Bill C
>
> Man, those Machiavellian plans are getting better and better. Bristol
> Palin's baby daddy (think Fox is going to describe him that way?) is
> flying out to the Republican convention. I'm sure that was the plan
> all along.
Doubt it was planned, but it's quick on their feet scrambling to take
advantage of the situation. Looking more and more like Kurgan, and You
were right on her not being well vetted, at least by McCain's people.
I believe they talked to her and a few other insiders of hers, but I
think we'll find the big Limbaugh/Evangelical push, along with her
being female was what counted in the end.
Bill C
SLAVE of THE STATE
> Seems there's not much to keep people busy in Alaska.
Federal law demands it.
For example, they aren't allowed to drill for oil in ANWR because of a
couple deer. If global warming works out, even cactus will be
protected in Alaska.
SLAVE of THE STATE
> On Sep 1, 9:39 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Turns out "maverick" means "liar"
>
> > MCCain Revealed on CNN has John McCain backpeddling when caught in a
> > lie about the difference between the court records and his
> > autobiography...
>
> > When John King confronted him McCain seemed a bit like ex-enron head
> > Ken Lay…
>
> > “what….. huh… that was a long time ago… I don’t really quite
> > remember… ooops I think I need to change my diapers again… CINDY! “
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2008/revealed.mccain.obama/
>
> > Turns out today, Sarah "Awe Shucks" Palin has a 17 year old daughter 5
> > months pregnant and that the baby with downs syndrome might have been
> > the teenagers also.
>
> >http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/2008/08/30/bristol...
>
> > No this time it really is her baby....
>
> >http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palin-confirms-daugh...
>
> I went to Guerneville today with my wife. We were confronted with
> Obama signs everywhere with the implicit implication that "we vote
> Obama here."
I tell everyone that I am surrounded by retards, and I appreciate the
confirmation.
You know, I wish they could do this in the bushes off the side, next
to the cars, rather than right out in the open.
> I was pretty sure that if I brought up the secret ballot
> and how they were so sure how all people in the all inclusive "we"
> voted that things wouldn't work out too good.
I keep wondering why the democrat party has the undemocratic
caucuses. No, I don't wonder, I know.
"Let's all come together as a community." lol
> Either way, they were very pet friendly,
> restaurants and cafes even brought water bowls for
> our puppy.
I've been buying my pets PM's and wheelsets. And some call me
unfriendly to pets! Outrageous!
Our "puppy" is 1 yo, btw.
Bill C
Gonna be hard for the folks who brought us free love, the drug
culture, etc...to make something this traditional as an issue:
The boy's mother, Sherry Johnston, said there had been no pressure put
on her son to marry 17-year-old Bristol Palin and the two teens had
made plans to wed before it was known she was pregnant.
"This is just a bonus," Johnston said.
I'm sure they will though.
Bill C
Fred Fredburger
> So you're changing the subject?
You don't actually GET my subject, so I'll spell it out for you:
When the Democrats finish framing Palin as an evil, incompetent bitch,
we'll have people like YOU to thank for it. People like YOU have proven
that these hateful smear tactics WORK. On morons, maybe, but work
nonetheless.
> Come on. Explain to us again how that
> shitfaced John Kerry was telling the truth and 200 others were all
> lying. It is really interesting to see just what lengths you'll go to.
Why are you calling John McCain liar? His opinion that the Swift Boat
vets were full of crap is on firm ground:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/print?id=166434
John McCain and I agree. John McCain says your beliefs and thought
processes are "dishonest and dishonorable". He is absolutely correct.
John McCain is not the left wing nut job you think he is. He just has a
thing called "integrity". Go look it up.
You state that it's not possible to get 200 people to agree to untrue
crap in an election year. That's not a credible claim. You claim that
everyone except Kerry agreed with the Swift Boat vets. Completely false.
Now watch what happens to Palin. Don't complain, because it's guys like
you that make these vicious lying attacks work. It's this way because
you like it this way.
Howard Kveck
Donald Munro <fat-d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think you may have to settle for an inflatable one...
--
tanx,
Howard
The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
SLAVE of THE STATE
> In article <48bd8ddb$0$23240$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> Bill, lesbians aren't ANYTHING like male homosexuals. They have
> > >> completely different motivations for the most part. And it shows in the
> > >> way they act.
>
> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> > > Please, PLEASE tell me about lesbian motivations, Tom!
>
> > Me too. I want a hot lesbian to mud wrestle with.
>
> I think you may have to settle for an inflatable one...
He can put on Beavis and Butthead during the romance dance:
Engelbert Humperdinck - Lesbian Seagull Lyrics - Beavis And Butthead
Over rocks and trees and sand
Soaring over cliffs
And gently floating down to land
She proudly lifts her voice
To sound her mating call
And soon her mate responds by singing
Caw Caw Caw
Come with me
Lesbian Seagull
Settle down and rest with me
Fly with me lesbian seagull
To my little nest by the sea
With me that's where you belong with me
I know I can be strong when you're with me
She skims the water
At the new time to seek
Her fish and she emerges
With one squirming in her beak
She plays among the waves
And hides between the swells
She walks the beach at twilight
Searching for some shells
Come with me
Lesbian Seagull
Settle down and rest with me
Oh fly with me lesbian seagull
To my little nest by the sea
With me that's where you belong with me
I know I can be strong when you're -- you're with me
And in the evening
As they watch the setting sun
She loooks at her as if to say
The day is done
It's time to find their shelter
Hidden in the dunes
And fall asleep the
Music of the moon
You and me
Lesbian seagull
You just watch the world oh my
Just you and me lesbian seagull
Side by side with me 'till we die
('Till we die)
You and I
We can make it if we try
Our love will keep us flyin' high
Until we die...
Fred Fredburger
>
> gays were having sex in the bushes next to the cars, in the adjacent
> park, and all over town in the open!
>
Did you get into any trouble for that?
Fred Fredburger
>
> 2. Obama is a socialist.
I don't believe successful politicians have ideologies. I believe they
have allies. It has worked out about the same, in the end. I'm not sure
it's going to stay that way. The days of Democrats representing the
Unions and Repubs representing big business are long gone. There are
more factions in play now. Dems and Repubs both have a loose
confederation of special interest groups they appeal to. If society
fractures into yet more groups clamoring for a political voice, ideology
will become even more passe.
Paul G.
> Turns out "maverick" means "liar"
>
> MCCain Revealed on CNN has John McCain backpeddling when caught in a
> lie about the difference between the court records and his
> autobiography...
>
> When John King confronted him McCain seemed a bit like ex-enron head
> Ken Lay…
>
> “what….. huh… that was a long time ago… I don’t really quite
> remember… ooops I think I need to change my diapers again… CINDY! “
Holy shit! According to that McCain married a Rush Limbaugh type:
"In 1994, the senator's wife, Cindy McCain, acknowledged her battle
with an addiction to prescription painkillers. Among her revelations
was that she had diverted -- for her personal use -- drugs that were
intended for a medical charity she ran. The charity helped poor and
disadvantaged children around the world.
The Arizona Republic, McCain's hometown newspaper, published an
editorial cartoon that showed Cindy McCain stealing medication from
the mouth of a poor infant. "I thought that that cartoon was
gratuitous and obviously offensive," John McCain told CNN"
So besides being a whore who "dates" married men, Cindy McCain is a
pill-popping thief. Typical Republican...
-Paul
Paul G.
> 054f4131-8bfd-4b16-aa18-1e5557bf1...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com, "Anton
>
>
>
> Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 1, 1:57 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:4fd77d61-0cc1-4de8...@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> My first thought, along with hubby's old dui was "perfect progressive
> >>> family", only thing missing is the abortion. of the Downs kid, and the
> >>> daughters kid.
>
> >> Notice that the scum suckers are screaming about Palin but if she was a
> >> Democrat you'd bet they'd be praising her for EXACTLY the same things. The
> >> lowest of the low seems to be posting here lately.
>
> > Idiot Kunich, everyone here is in support of teeneage girls having
> > sex. It's the credibility, lying, decision-process cover-up thing.
>
> > Your time is over, republicunts.
>
> Who lied? Who covered up Assbag?
> The daughter is 5 months pregnant and her and the father are getting
> married!
I think I'll bag this ass:
"Johnston's MySpace page, since removed, had said he didn't want
children."
"Details Emerge About Levi Johnston, Teen Father At Center Of Bristol
Palin Pregnancy Controversy"
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1593912/20080902/id_0.jhtml
Sounds like typical Republican trailer trash. Hey S__T- do you live
in a trailer?
Whoa! Levi impregnated Palin's daughter?! Way to go Levi!
-Paul
-Paul
Paul G.
> On Sep 1, 2:57 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:4fd77d61-0cc1-4de8...@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > My first thought, along with hubby's old dui was "perfect progressive
> > > family", only thing missing is the abortion. of the Downs kid, and the
> > > daughters kid.
>
> > Notice that the scum suckers are screaming about Palin but if she was a
> > Democrat you'd bet they'd be praising her for EXACTLY the same things. The
> > lowest of the low seems to be posting here lately.
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080901/pl_afp/usvotepalinobama
>
> Obama 'offended' by Palin rumor claims
> Quoted:
>
> we don't go after people's families, we don't get them involved in the
> politics. It is not appropriate and it is not relevant," Obama told
> reporters in Michigan.
>
> "Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be,
> and if I ever thought it was somebody in the campaign that was
> involved in something like that they would be fired."
>
> Obama also noted that his late mother had given birth to him when she
> was only 18.
>
> "I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. How
> a family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the
> topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me
> understands that is off limits."
>
> over at Daily Kos trotted this out. They're not gutter trash like
> Coulter though...
> Bill C
McCain is famous for telling a dirty joke about Chelsea Clinton when
she was 18 years old.
That's "Family Values" Republican-style.
Palin's daughter should be off limits, as Chelsea Clinton should have
been to John McCain. But Palin's mothering of her daughter and the
ineffectiveness of her "just teach abstinence" opinion are fair game.
These people set themselves up as paragons of virtue, and they want to
force their "morality" on us. Look how well it works.
-Paul
Paul G.
wrote:
> On Sep 1, 4:59 pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 1, 4:33 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Can you imagine if this had happened to
> Chelsea Clinton? There would have been
> so much finger pointing, you'd see a sharp
> increase in pundits coming down with finger
> cancer.
>
Exactly. Let them reap what they sow. John McCain told a dirty joke
about Chelsea Clinton in 1998 at a Republican Senate fund-raiser.
Republicans are scum.
-Paul
Paul G.
<Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos.Huh> wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I love to see you claiming that some 200 vets are liars and John Kerry
> > was the only one telling the truth.
>
>
> A) The swift boat vets where deplorably dishonest.
>
> or:
>
> B) John McCain was an unwitting dupe of the Kerry campaign:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/08/06/MNGUT8...
>
> Let's hear about how much smarter than McCain you are.
A direct hit! You vaporized that sucker!
-Paul