Could Lafferty's Tuesday be this Tuesday ?
Anton Berlin
Would Tyler have been under an admonition not to speak about his
testimony until now?
And now that that he's spoke what does that portend?
truth...@yahoo.com
I read in one press report that he kept quiet since his testimony in
front of the Grand Jury because the Feds asked him to be silent. I
suspect they must have traced down the leads he gave them and Tyler
figured it was time to talk/write. The Uniballer's PR man, Fabio, is
already spinning the the greed motive for Tyler, but it simply isn't
going to fly at this point. Too many former associated are biting the
snake's tail. Once it comes out in an indictment that the alleged TdS
positive was covered up, Armstrong will be dead in the water. This
also raised the possibility that Hein and Pat may be indicted along
with Armstrong and the others participants in the criminal enterprise.
As Sarah M. sang, "Hold on, cause this is going to hurt like hell."
Fred Flintstein
> The Uniballer's PR man, Fabio, is
> already spinning the the greed motive for Tyler, but it simply isn't
> going to fly at this point. Too many former associated are biting the
> snake's tail. Once it comes out in an indictment that the alleged TdS
> positive was covered up, Armstrong will be dead in the water.
Dumbass,
Is doping to win a bike race illegal?
F
Brad Anders
wrote:
> I read in one press report that he kept quiet since his testimony in
> front of the Grand Jury because the Feds asked him to be silent.
Yeah, and it just so happened that it was now OK for him to come out
with it, during the ToC, just like Landis did, and in advance of his
book.
Did you know that the word "gullible" does not appear any in any
English language dictionary?
Choppy Warburton
wrote:
It's not about the doped up cyclist on a bike dumbass. Racketeering,
fraud, money laundering and a host of other crimes are.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
I can't wait until Verbruggen and McQuaid are forced
into testifying against the big cheese and puppet master,
Tommy Weisel. Finally, we will be able to trace this
conspiracy so immense to the top.
Fredmaster Ben
Fred Flintstein
Then how is covering up a TdS positive relevant?
And is selling bikes on ebay illegal?
F
Anton Berlin
You're being obtuse.
Read the god damn criminal code and get your head out of your ass.
Your faggy obsession is clouding your judgment.
And yes conversion (aka theft by deception) is a crime.
Fred Flintstein
Neither you nor Laff can tell me what he did that was illegal.
Both of you guys are falling back on HE-DID-REALLY-BAD-STUFF
as a description of his alleged offense.
Don't it bother you to be on the same side of this as someone
like Lafferty? Using the same tactic? Aren't you going to tell
us that time will tell?
F
Vagina Gorilla
None of that matters. What matters is he will be indicted on what
they believe can be proved. Or if there are after some one bigger
they will use Lance as the tool he is. Lawyers will eat up his money,
Livestrong will be known for the fraud it is and Lance will move back
in with his father's trailer to drink sterno shots.
Fred Flintstein
And what would that be? REALLY-BAD-STUFF?
You dumbasses can't even tell me what he did that was
illegal!
F
truth...@yahoo.com
*Doesn't* it bother you........................What a moron you are.
Now I understand why you write the stupid things you do. Is English
not your native tongue?
Fred Flintstein
If I use incorrect grammar, is that illegal? If I use
it on usenet, is it wire fraud?
I just want to know if I can expect a knock on the
door from the feds.
F
William R. Mattil
>
> If I use incorrect grammar, is that illegal? If I use
> it on usenet, is it wire fraud?
>
> I just want to know if I can expect a knock on the
> door from the feds.
>
Yes,
Next Tuesday I reckon.
Bill
--
William R. Mattil
Fredmaster of Brainerd
<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net> wrote:
Novitsky doesn't knock. When Novitsky comes to your
house, the door will be down and the team sweeping for
evidence while you're still in your PJs and trying to
remember how to flip the safety catch off your cheap-ass
.22 that some Fox-TV guy scared you into buying in case
of the home invasions.
Remember, law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear
from Novitsky, unless they keep vials of EPO on their
mantel, or associate with dopers. Like that teammate of yours.
Sincerely,
Novitsky
Phil H
Other similarities.....both were caught, both admitted doping after a
long drawn out battle but neither admitted doping for the big
one....olympic gold medal or TdF victory. They are almost believable
but when it comes down to it, they hold onto that last lie. Then
again, maybe it wasn't their last lie. Pinocchio has nothing on these
two.
Phil H
Frederick the Great
<2b0bd1a1-515e-4a83...@j13g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Vagina Gorilla <vagina...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 11:25 am, Fred Flintstein
> <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 5/20/2011 10:22 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 20, 10:18 am, Fred Flintstein
>>> <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2011 9:53 AM, Choppy Warburton wrote:
>>
>>>>> On May 20, 9:03 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/20/2011 8:34 AM, truthita...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> The Uniballer's PR man, Fabio, is
>>>>>>> already spinning the the greed motive for Tyler, but it simply isn't
>>>>>>> going to fly at this point. Too many former associated are biting the
>>>>>>> snake's tail. Once it comes out in an indictment that the alleged TdS
>>>>>>> positive was covered up, Armstrong will be dead in the water.
>>
>>>>>> Dumbass,
>>
>>>>>> Is doping to win a bike race illegal?
>>
>>>>> It's not about the doped up cyclist on a bike dumbass. Racketeering,
>>>>> fraud, money laundering and a host of other crimes are.
>>
>>>> Then how is covering up a TdS positive relevant?
>>
>>>> And is selling bikes on ebay illegal?
>>
>>> You're being obtuse.
>>
>>> Read the god damn criminal code and get your head out of your ass.
>>> Your faggy obsession is clouding your judgment.
>>
>>> And yes conversion (aka theft by deception) is a crime.
>>
>> Neither you nor Laff can tell me what he did that was illegal.
>> Both of you guys are falling back on HE-DID-REALLY-BAD-STUFF
>> as a description of his alleged offense.
>>
>> Don't it bother you to be on the same side of this as someone
>> like Lafferty? Using the same tactic? Aren't you going to tell
>> us that time will tell?
>
> None of that matters. What matters is he will be indicted on what
> they believe can be proved. Or if there are after some one bigger
> they will use Lance as the tool he is. Lawyers will eat up his money,
> Livestrong will be known for the fraud it is and Lance will move back
> in with his father's trailer to drink sterno shots.
This is your fantasy life? I do not want to see the real one.
--
Old Fritz
Simply Fred
> I can't wait until Verbruggen and McQuaid are forced
> into testifying against the big cheese and puppet master,
> Tommy Weisel. Finally, we will be able to trace this
> conspiracy so immense to the top.
Mulder and Scully will be called to reveal their alien connections and DNA.
Substance McGravitas
Your point is valid and reasonable, but it doesn't take prosecutor
creativity into account. They will find the things they can prove and
try to find a way to shoe horn them into the criminal code as best they
can. Predicting whether that'll work or not is another matter but it's
obscenely likely that they will try.
Anton Berlin
His point isn't "valid and reasonable". if you take the time to read
this you will learn that the average citizen is committing felonies
and misdemeanors nearly every day. It's just that most of us don't
get caught.
However, Lance is getting caught.
Fred Flintstein
> However, Lance is getting caught.
Dumbass,
Doing what?
F
Frederick the Great
Fred Flintstein <bob.sc...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
Cavorting with B list celebrities.
He should raise his sights and go
on dancing with the stars.
--
Old Fritz
Simply Fred
>>> However, Lance is getting caught.
Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> Doing what?
Frederick the Great wrote:
> Cavorting with B list celebrities.
> He should raise his sights and go
> on dancing with the stars.
>
With Liz. OTOH Berliner would probably consider that punishment enough.
Anton Berlin
You're being a troll. But I'll answer to shut you up. True there are
few criminal penalties for doping for any sport. But at the same time
there are a lot of supporting crimes that accompany the act of
doping.
Fraud is when you misrepresent yourself or violate the terms of a
contract or agreement. Lance and others committed fraud with their
'doping for a bike race'.
Racketeering is when you commit a series of criminal acts (many acts
of fraud in Lance's example) as well as money laundering, bribery,
interstate transportation, mail fraud, wire fraud, bank fraud.
These that are right up Lance's alley - felonious manufacture,
importation, receiving, concealment, buying, selling, or otherwise
dealing in narcotic or other dangerous drugs; and any act that is
indictable under the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act.
(which there are more than likely a host of traceable violations and
charges)
The testosterone handed out like candy that Hincappie and others have
testified to - chemicals and drugs that fall under the Controlled
Substances Act. Anabolic steroids, for example, are classified as
Schedule III controlled substances. (don't forget the andro found in
his apartment in Spain) No doubt testified to already.
There is also misuse of public funds, perjury related to the SCA
depositions, the money he received subject to criminal fraud, bank
fraud and other civil remedies. Bribery with the UCI. Doubt those
fat swiss pigs will take a fall for Lance.
Lance is in some hot water not for 'doping for a bike race' but for
all of the acts he did to make doping in a bike race possible.
Fred Flintstein
Dumbass,
If you google 'legal definition of fraud', what do you find?
You're missing a key point of the definition. But you know
that.
You're also unclear about the definition of perjury. Or maybe
you do get it and you're intentionally misrepresenting it. But
I'm pretty sure it has to be relevant to an illegal act and
I'm also pretty sure that taking the 5th doesn't count as
perjury.
SCA, Jesus Fucking Christ! Dope wasn't relevant to the
contract. Thus lying about dope isn't perjury. But you know
that.
If you google 'legal definition of fraud' you'll find the, um,
legal definition of fraud. Check it out.
F
PS And if they get him for possession I certainly hope someone
in the FDA hierarchy has an uncomfortable discussion with
Novitsky about the proper use of scarce law enforcement
resources. Especially since they aren't fucking likely to get
him for possession a decade after the fact.
Fred Flintstein
Just like the Amstel, he wouldn't be able to beat
Boogerd.
F
Anton Berlin
Dumbass - I was contacted by SCA attorneys. I can assure you doping
was a pertinent and majority part of the conversation.
Your boy is nailed - breathe deep and exhale that testicle you've been
keeping throat warm for the last decade.
Fred Flintstein
> Dumbass - I was contacted by SCA attorneys. I can assure you doping
> was a pertinent and majority part of the conversation.
Ummm, the guy that rendered the judgment disagreed. Whose
opinion counted more? Dumbass?
F
PS If you repeat the same arguments over and over, surely
at some point they will be correct, eh?
Anton Berlin
Don't you feel uncomfortable being a grown man and being obsessively
in love with another man ? Why does Lance's innocence influence your
masturbation fantasies so thoroughly?
Mike Jacoubowsky
> contract. Thus lying about dope isn't perjury. But you know
> that.
>
> If you google 'legal definition of fraud' you'll find the, um,
> legal definition of fraud. Check it out.
>
> F
>
> PS And if they get him for possession I certainly hope someone
> in the FDA hierarchy has an uncomfortable discussion with
> Novitsky about the proper use of scarce law enforcement
> resources. Especially since they aren't fucking likely to get
> him for possession a decade after the fact.
Dumbass - I was contacted by SCA attorneys. I can assure you doping
was a pertinent and majority part of the conversation.
Could you elaborate on that? It didn't seem to have anything to do with
the final decision in the case. Do you think it was just posturing, an
attempt to rattle people? Maybe something like Greg LeMond did when he
threatened Trek with public disclosure of everything-Lance and various
internal discussions, something that Trek negated by disclosing
everything first (the "nuclear" option). Maybe SCA figured that Lance
would drop the lawsuit under the threat of negative publicity?
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Fred Flintstein
Creepy dumbass,
I am quite certain that LANCE doped. I am also quite
certain that your infatuation with him is without
peer except for Laff.
F
Anton Berlin
wrote:
Mainly questions surrounding my experience at the OTC with the coaches
that Lance later had. Questions about his teammates and statements
they had made on training rides. A lot of other specifics that I
can't recall or don't wish to talk about now. I still have friends
out there.
Substance McGravitas
When you say "if you take the time to read this...", what does "this"
refer to? I don't see a link.
It is reasonable to recognize that the prosecutors are not a bunch of
fanboys and amateurs. The fanboys and amateurs arguing this in RBR are
not familiar with neither the evidence nor the law. Where you and I
differ is that I include you and Lafferty in the list of fanboys and
amateurs.
Anton Berlin
> When you say "if you take the time to read this...", what does "this"
> refer to? I don't see a link.
>
Frederick the Great
<27883ff8-088b-4f79...@f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
> Dumbass - I was contacted by SCA attorneys. I can assure you doping
> was a pertinent and majority part of the conversation.
This is the definition of clutching at straws.
--
Old Fritz
Simply Fred
>>>> However, Lance is getting caught.
Fred Flintstein wrote:
>>> Doing what?
Frederick the Great wrote:
>> Cavorting with B list celebrities.
>> He should raise his sights and go
>> on dancing with the stars.
Fred Flintstein wrote:
> Just like the Amstel, he wouldn't be able to beat
> Boogerd.
Does dancing have an equivalent of sitting a wheel and sprinting at the
end ? In that case Bruyneel might have an outside chance too.
Simply Fred
> Riding the 60 minutes tsunami ?
Oh well there's always next Tuesday. Or Tuesday the 29th of February.