Giro d'Italia, stage 19 summary
Bob Martin
Stage 19 : May 27, Bergamo - Macugnaga, 209 km
1 Paolo Tiralongo (Ita) Pro Team Astana 5.26.27
2 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard
3 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0.03
4 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0.06
5 Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver (Spa) Katusha Team
6 Steven Kruijswijk (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team
7 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Lampre - ISD 0.08
8 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Pro Team Astana 0.21
9 Hubert Dupont (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0.29
10 Kanstantsin Sivtsov (Blr) HTC-Highroad 0.34
Changes in GC, stage 19 compared to stage 18 :
Biggest gainers by position :
+20 Richie Porte
+17 Thomas Peterson
+17 Sylvester Szmyd
+17 Matteo Rabottini
+15 Sergey Lagutin
+15 Mickael Cherel
+13 Fumiyuki Beppu
+13 Danilo Di Luca
+12 Giampaolo Cheula
+11 David Blanco Rodriguez
Biggest losers by position :
-9 Fabio Taborre
-9 Oscar Gatto
-8 Gert Dockx
-8 Jose Rodolfo Serpa Perez
-8 Yaroslav Popovych
-7 Alexsandr Dyachenko
-7 Igor Anton Hernandez
-7 Pieter Weening
-7 Valerio Agnoli
-5 Carlos Sastre Candil
-5 Kjell Carlstrom
Biggest gainers by time :
+0:08 Paolo Tiralongo
Biggest losers by time :
-27:38 Russell Downing
-27:01 Jos van Emden
-26:50 Ruggero Marzoli
-26:38 Alan Marangoni
-26:38 Alberto Ongarato
-26:38 Alex Rasmussen
-26:38 Alexander Kristoff
-26:38 Alexsandr Dyachenko
-26:38 Bjorn Selander
-26:38 Carlos Jose Ochoa
-26:38 Chad Beyer
Favourites by position :
+20 Richie Porte
+13 Danilo Di Luca
+10 Lars Ytting Bak
+6 Daniel Moreno Fernandez
+2 Thomas Lovkvist
+2 Roman Kreuziger
-1 Denis Menchov
-3 Stefano Garzelli
-5 Carlos Sastre Candil
Favourites by time :
-0:07 Vincenzo Nibali
-0:20 Michele Scarponi
-0:33 Roman Kreuziger
-1:08 Daniel Moreno Fernandez
-1:13 Denis Menchov
-1:32 Richie Porte
-1:47 David Arroyo Duran
-3:29 Thomas Lovkvist
-7:21 Danilo Di Luca
-11:11 Stefano Garzelli
-15:51 Lars Ytting Bak
-20:31 Carlos Sastre Candil
Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Alberto Contador Velasco 77:11:24 (unchanged)
2 Michele Scarponi 5:18 (was 2nd at 4:58)
3 Vincenzo Nibali 5:52 (was 3rd at 5:45)
4 John Gadret 7:53 (was 4th at 7:35)
5 Kanstantsin Siutsou 9:58 (was 5th at 9:12)
6 Mikel Nieve Ituralde 10:08 (was 7th at 9:22)
7 Roman Kreuziger 10:20 (was 9th at 9:47)
8 JoaquAm RodrAguez Oliver 10:43 (was 10th at 10:25)
9 Denis Menchov 10:51 (was 8th at 9:38)
10 Jose Rujano Guillen 11:50 (was 6th at 9:18)
.....
12 David Arroyo Duran 13:24 (was 12th at 11:37)
.....
20 Thomas Lovkvist 33:43 (was 22nd at 30:14)
21 Stefano Garzelli 35:08 (was 18th at 23:57)
.....
31 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 1:00:39 (was 37th at 59:31)
.....
33 Carlos Sastre Candil 1:02:37 (was 28th at 42:06)
.....
63 Danilo Di Luca 2:00:31 (was 76th at 1:53:10)
.....
87 Richie Porte 2:25:57 (was 107th at 2:24:25)
.....
124 Lars Ytting Bak 3:10:03 (was 134th at 2:54:12)
Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Jan Bakelandts 26 (was 0 points)
2 Pablo Lastras Garcia 13 (unchanged)
3 Stefano Garzelli 8 (was 4th with 5 points)
4 Bram Tankink 8 (was 3rd with 8 points)
5 Lars Ytting Bak 8 (was 30th with 3 points)
6 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 5 (was 5th with 5 points)
7 Giovanni Visconti 5 (was 6th with 5 points)
8 Fumiyuki Beppu 5 (was 9th with 5 points)
9 Sebastian Lang 5 (was 8th with 5 points)
10 Matteo Montaguti 5 (was 7th with 5 points)
Top 10 on Mountains table with previous in parens:
1 Stefano Garzelli 67 (was 1st with 64 points)
2 Alberto Contador Velasco 56 (was 2nd with 53 points)
3 Mikel Nieve Ituralde 39 (unchanged)
4 Jose Rujano Guillen 29 (unchanged)
5 Gianluca Brambilla 29 (unchanged)
6 Emanuele Sella 23 (unchanged)
7 Michele Scarponi 23 (unchanged)
8 Vincenzo Nibali 22 (was 9th with 20 points)
9 Johnny Hoogerland 21 (was 8th with 21 points)
10 Jerome Pineau 20 (was 35th with 5 points)
Retirements to date : Stage
Craig Lewis (USA) HTC-Highroad 19 <<<
Filippo Savini (Ita) Colnago - CSF Inox 19 <<<
Marco Pinotti (Ita) HTC-Highroad 19 <<<
Francesco Masciarelli (Ita) Pro Team Astana 17
Matthew Wilson (Aus) Team Garmin-Cervelo 17
Murilo Antonio Fischer (Bra) Team Garmin-Cervelo 17
Michal Golas (Pol) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 16
Brett Lancaster (Aus) Team Garmin-Cervelo 15
Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Colnago - CSF Inox 15
Frantisek Rabon (Cze) HTC-Highroad 15
Juan Jose Oroz Ugalde (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 15
Manuel Antonio Leal Cardoso (Por) Team RadioShack 15
Marco Marzano (Ita) Lampre - ISD 15
Robert Hunter (RSA) Team RadioShack 15
Andrea Noe' (Ita) Farnese Vini - Neri Sottoli 14
Francesco Chicchi (Ita) Quickstep Cycling Team 14
Rafael Valls Ferri (Spa) Geox-TMC 14
Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Lampre - ISD 13
Danilo Hondo (Ger) Lampre - ISD 13
Davide Appollonio (Ukn) Sky Procycling 13
Francisco Jose Ventoso Alberdi (Spa) Movistar Team 13
Gerald Ciolek (Ger) Quickstep Cycling Team 13
Manuel Belletti (Ita) Colnago - CSF Inox 13
Mark Cavendish (GBr) HTC-Highroad 13
Mark Renshaw (Aus) HTC-Highroad 13
Martin Kohler (Swi) BMC Racing Team 13
Sacha Modolo (Ukn) Colnago - CSF Inox 13
Borut Bozic (Slo) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 11
Danilo Napolitano (Ita) Acqua & Sapone 11
Adam Blyth (GBr) Omega Pharma-Lotto 10
Chris Butler (USA) BMC Racing Team 9
Graeme Brown (Aus) Rabobank Cycling Team 9
Jackson Rodriguez (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 9
Robbie McEwen (Aus) Team RadioShack 9
Fabio Andres Duarte Arevalo (Col) Geox-TMC 8
Brice Feillu (Fra) Leopard Trek 5
Bruno Pires (Por) Leopard Trek 5
Chris Barton (USA) BMC Racing Team 5
Davide ViganA² (Ita) Leopard Trek 5
Dominic Klemme (Ger) Leopard Trek 5
Fabian Wegmann (Ger) Leopard Trek 5
Francesco Failli (Ita) Farnese Vini - Neri Sottoli 5
Oliver Zaugg (Swi) Leopard Trek 5
Thomas Rohregger (Aut) Leopard Trek 5
Tom Slagter (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 5
Tom Stamsnijder (Ned) Leopard Trek 5
Tyler Farrar (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 5
Wouter Weylandt (Bel) Leopard Trek 3
Total retirements : 48
(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)
Ryan Cousineau
For all other racers, leave the benchmark (relative to leader) as is, but for a current race leader, gain loss should be relative to their previous lead over 2nd, even if the second place rider changes. Similarly, a rider who newly attains 1st can be credited with their old time gap PLUS their new time gap to 2nd.
This reflects the idea that all riders chase the leader, but the leader tries to escape the runer-up.
RicodJour
>
> I remember having this discussion before, but should a race leader's "time" be the gap to 2nd? Otherwise, it looks like a > race leader is making no race progress between the time they take the lead and the time they lose it (or win).
How much 'progress' is possible from first place? 1st +....?
> For all other racers, leave the benchmark (relative to leader) as is, but for a current race leader, gain loss should be
> relative to their previous lead over 2nd, even if the second place rider changes. Similarly, a rider who newly attains
> 1st can be credited with their old time gap PLUS their new time gap to 2nd.
But the podium places are only concerned with the relative times
between the first three places. If the people change, so what? I'm
not sure I understand your thoughts on this one, but it almost sounds
like you want to create a new category akin to a King of The Mountains
or Points. But I'm not sure if what you're suggesting would turn into
a Consistency or Combativeness or Win Some Lose Some But I Sure Do
Take Chances category.
> This reflects the idea that all riders chase the leader, but the leader tries to escape the runer-up.
I'm pretty sure that's already the idea.
R
Ryan Cousineau
> On May 29, 5:13 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I remember having this discussion before, but should a race leader's "time" be the gap to 2nd? Otherwise, it looks like a > race leader is making no race progress between the time they take the lead and the time they lose it (or win).
>
> How much 'progress' is possible from first place? 1st +....?
I wasn't very clear on this, but I meant the "gainers/losers on time" stat Bob keeps. So the thing that matters is the time gap between first and second, and whether or not it is growing, shrinking, or static.
> > For all other racers, leave the benchmark (relative to leader) as is, but for a current race leader, gain loss should be
> > relative to their previous lead over 2nd, even if the second place rider changes. Similarly, a rider who newly attains
> > 1st can be credited with their old time gap PLUS their new time gap to 2nd.
>
> But the podium places are only concerned with the relative times
> between the first three places. If the people change, so what? I'm
> not sure I understand your thoughts on this one, but it almost sounds
> like you want to create a new category akin to a King of The Mountains
> or Points. But I'm not sure if what you're suggesting would turn into
> a Consistency or Combativeness or Win Some Lose Some But I Sure Do
> Take Chances category.
The point is that for all riders except 1st, the time gap to first represents their target. For a rider who is in first, the time gap to the field (2nd, really) is what matters, without regard to who is in 2nd (just as the gap to first doesn't care if the race leader changes).
> > This reflects the idea that all riders chase the leader, but the leader tries to escape the runer-up.
>
> I'm pretty sure that's already the idea.
>
> R
What I'm getting at is that when Contador was picking up time in the mountains, he wasn't getting credit for that time gain in Bob's stats. No matter what, the leader neither gains nor loses any time each day (unless he gains or loses the lead).
This doesn't reflect what's really happening, IMHO.
A. Dumas
> [...]
Why is your References header missing?
Frederick the Great
"A. Dumas" <alex...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
"Basically, I do it to piss off old farts.
Same reason I'm posting this TOFU-style
(Text Over, Fullquote-Under)."
<543a2550-b587-49ac...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com>
--
Old Fritz
Ryan Cousineau
I'll have to poke around, but I'm using Google Groups as my posting/reading interface. I assume that for some damned-ass reason GG is very casual about references headers, which probably goes nicely with it's default no-quoted-text-in-replies setting.
The worst of it is I don't see any of these problems: everything just works inside of GG, so you just come off as a bunch of curmudgeons who won't get with the program and read Usenet through a bizarre non-standard web interface that conflates Usenet and mailing lists, and perverts postings for its own reasons.
I'll look into it further,
A. Dumas
> I'll have to poke around, but I'm using Google Groups as my
> posting/reading interface. I assume that for some damned-ass reason
> GG is very casual about references headers, which probably goes
> nicely with it's default no-quoted-text-in-replies setting.
Works for other people. There were no line breaks either in your post.
RicodJour
I'm having no trouble with Ryan's posts. Well, except for
understanding what the hell he's talking about. ;)
R
William Fred
email.me:
IAWTP. Ryan is the only one posting here whose text doesn't wrap. I
would upgrade my newsreader, which would likely solve he problem, but
none of the goldarned newfangled programs with all their jimcracker
fooforall nonsense run on kerosene like my current one, and I am not
going to give up my kerosene-powered newsreader.
--
Bill Fred
Fredmaster of Brainerd
> "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote innews:is1naj$2u8$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >> I'll have to poke around, but I'm using Google Groups as my
> >> posting/reading interface. I assume that for some damned-ass reason
> >> GG is very casual about references headers, which probably goes
> >> nicely with it's default no-quoted-text-in-replies setting.
>
> > Works for other people. There were no line breaks either in your post.
>
> IAWTP. Ryan is the only one posting here whose text doesn't wrap.
Yes. And many use google groups. I speculate it has
something to do with the web browser. Ryan, your
User-Agent line says "G2/1.0", which is a little inscrutable.
It might mean Google Groups, but for most users of GG,
the User-Agent field is the web browser.
Are you posting to rbr from a phone or mobile device?
Could you be getting a mobile version of GGroups that behaves
differently than others? Or maybe it's just that your
browser handles wrapping in text boxes in some way that
mangles GGroups' attempted wrapping?
If you're using some funny web browser, try posting
to rbr from Firefox and see if it behaves the same way.
Freddebugger Ben
Davey Crockett
| IAWTP. Ryan is the only one posting here whose text doesn't wrap.
Does Xnews not have a "Reformat" utility?
Ryan's posts don't wrap here, but it just requires a simple "W w" to
make them behave. (gnus is in use here).
--
Davey Crockett
Flying the Flag of the English
The Flag of Hengest and Horsa
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg
Simply Fred
> I'm having no trouble with Ryan's posts. Well, except for
> understanding what the hell he's talking about. ;)
Perhaps you're not using a threaded newsreader. If you do you'll find
each of his posts becomes a new subject.
RicodJour
I'm using Google Groups as well. Maybe Google's gibberish makes sense
to Google?
R
Frederick the Great
"A. Dumas" <alex...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
Must be the slimmed down google for Canadians.
--
Old Fritz
Frederick the Great
William Fred <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kerosene! Luxury. I'm pedaling as fast as I can just to
keep up. Fortunately, my flywheel powered newsreader puts
out more power than I can.
--
Old Fritz
Simply Fred
> Must be the slimmed down google for Canadians.
<Meeow>Probably won't work for Ryan then</Meeow>