Stage 1 ITT
Robert Chung
Paul B. Anders
wrote:
> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf09-1.png
Quick, someone call LemonD!
Brad Anders
Fred Fredburger
> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf09-1.png
>
>
What do the red dotted lines represent?
Paul B. Anders
Hematocrit. That's why they're red.
Brad Anders
Carl Sundquist
Read the subheading
bar
what the hell is a Hutarovich?
KG
Dumbass -
According to LemonD, he's one of the dopers. You can tell because he's
an outlier.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Ryan Cousineau
<53743bc8-56a3-4bdb...@h2g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
bar <barba...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's French for "barely made the time cut."
--
Ryan Cousineau rcou...@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
Ryan Cousineau
"Robert Chung" <anonymou...@address.invalid> wrote:
> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf09-1.png
Nice as always. Interesting how much time Cancellara picked up on the
second leg. Several riders beat him to the top of the mountain (Contador
gets to wear the spots tomorrow).
I know we decided to retire the Millar line this year, but I can't
remember who we replaced it with. Kloden? Fabian?
Either way, it's pretty clear Fabian's performance was unnatural. Which
drugs make you better at going down mountains?
Howard Kveck
KG <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 4, 5:04�pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > what the hell is a Hutarovich?
> According to LemonD, he's one of the dopers. You can tell because he's
> an outlier.
Does WADA test for quaaludes?
--
tanx,
Howard
Caught playing safe
It's a bored game
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Howard Kveck
Ryan Cousineau <rcou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Either way, it's pretty clear Fabian's performance was unnatural. Which
> drugs make you better at going down mountains?
Pot. Allegedly.
d p chang
> In article <h2ocma$d3h$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Robert Chung" <anonymou...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf09-1.png
>
> Either way, it's pretty clear Fabian's performance was
> unnatural. Which drugs make you better at going down mountains?
ice cream? there's probably some sort of sugar/corn syrup as drug
reference somewhere.
\p
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When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think
about how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the
solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. - Buckminster Fuller
--D-y
> Which drugs make you better at going down mountains?
Testosterone. --D-y
Donald Munro
> I know we decided to retire the Millar line this year, but I can't
> remember who we replaced it with. Kloden? Fabian?
Cunego.
Ryan Cousineau
Donald Munro <fat-d...@mailinator.com> wrote:
That's not good.
Susan Walker
> "Robert Chung" <anonymou...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf09-1.png
>
> Nice as always. Interesting how much time Cancellara picked up on the
> second leg. Several riders beat him to the top of the mountain (Contador
> gets to wear the spots tomorrow).
Pretty much a copy of the Beijing TT.
As an aside: Wiggins' Garmin data:
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/7958896 (file includes 2 warm-up
sessions and the race).
Donald Munro
> As an aside: Wiggins' Garmin data:
> http://connect.garmin.com/activity/7958896 (file includes 2 warm-up
> sessions and the race).
But no power data. Pity since the CSO's book uses a 20 min. TT for
working out LT.
Robert Chung
Looks like the power data are there. The .tcx file format has changed a
little -- could that be the problem?
In any event, apparently 447 average watts, 456 NP.
drmofe
wrote:
> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf09-1.png
Menchov went backwards in a big hurry.
One presumes that the second dotted red line from the right is the
"Millar Line"?
Given the technical nature of the TT, the nexus of Kloden-Evans-
Contador-Leipheimer-Armstrong is VERY interesting. Top 5 GC, right
there?
Donald Munro
>>> As an aside: Wiggins' Garmin data:
>>> http://connect.garmin.com/activity/7958896 (file includes 2 warm-up
>>> sessions and the race).
Donald Munro wrote:
>> But no power data. Pity since the CSO's book uses a 20 min. TT for
>> working out LT.
Robert Chung wrote:
> Looks like the power data are there. The .tcx file format has changed a
> little -- could that be the problem?
> In any event, apparently 447 average watts, 456 NP.
An LT zone of 407-469 ? Damn the lower end is still above my anaerobic
endurance zone.
someone
> In article <h2ocma$d3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Robert Chung" <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> >http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf09-1.png
>
> Nice as always. Interesting how much time Cancellara picked up on the
> second leg. Several riders beat him to the top of the mountain (Contador
> gets to wear the spots tomorrow).
>
> I know we decided to retire the Millar line this year, but I can't
> remember who we replaced it with. Kloden? Fabian?
>
> Either way, it's pretty clear Fabian's performance was unnatural. Which
> drugs make you better at going down mountains?
>
Donner kebabs.
ilan
> In article <h2ocma$d3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> >http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf09-1.png
>
> Nice as always. Interesting how much time Cancellara picked up on the
> second leg. Several riders beat him to the top of the mountain (Contador
> gets to wear the spots tomorrow).
>
> I know we decided to retire the Millar line this year, but I can't
> remember who we replaced it with. Kloden? Fabian?
>
> Either way, it's pretty clear Fabian's performance was unnatural. Which
> drugs make you better at going down mountains?
>
> --
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
He won the race on the descent and in the last 2 km. After seeing the
prologue of the 2007 Tour de Suisse I retained the impression that
Cancellara was way ahead of all other ITT contenders in bike handling,
the guy looked like he was riding Moto GP, that course was extremely
tricky with 2 way bike race traffic at one point. He confirmed at the
2007 London prologue which was also a tricky course, O'Grady almost
crashed by overshooting a corner and he's normally a good bike
handler. Jalabert, who was following him, commented on being impressed
at seeing perfect race lines, and he had previously followed Armstrong
and other top riders. Then Jalabert said that when Cancellara could
finally see Menchov in the distance within the last 2 km, it was like
"there was a short circuit in his head" and he accelerated (I suppose
the English translation is that he went ape-shit).
Regarding the improved climbing, a number of people have stated that
he seemed to have lost a lot of weight since last year.
-ilan
Johnny Twelve-Point presented by JFT
wrote:
>He won the race on the descent and in the last 2 km. After seeing the
>prologue of the 2007 Tour de Suisse I retained the impression that
>Cancellara was way ahead of all other ITT contenders in bike handling,
>the guy looked like he was riding Moto GP, that course was extremely
>tricky with 2 way bike race traffic at one point. He confirmed at the
>2007 London prologue which was also a tricky course, O'Grady almost
>crashed by overshooting a corner and he's normally a good bike
>handler. Jalabert, who was following him, commented on being impressed
>at seeing perfect race lines, and he had previously followed Armstrong
>and other top riders. Then Jalabert said that when Cancellara could
>finally see Menchov in the distance within the last 2 km, it was like
>"there was a short circuit in his head" and he accelerated (I suppose
>the English translation is that he went ape-shit).
Sweet.
Paul B. Anders
Good analysis. When I was watching LANCE on the descent, I was really
surprised to see how much freewheeling he was doing prior to turns
before braking, and his low exit speeds. Given that I've seen him hang
it all out in the past on descents, he looked either very conservative
or simply rusty with his technique. On most TT courses, there isn't
much time that can be lost or made up by cornering, but this course
was different. I'd wager Fabian gained 10 to 20 seconds alone on his
technique (late threshold braking, late apexing, full road use).
Brad Anders
Howard Kveck
"Target sighted - and closing..." I think it's pretty cool that Cancellara reacts
that way when the "rabbit" is in view.
ilan
Also, another measure of Cancellara's ride is to compare it to
Wiggins. Since Cancellara is a better climber and had the same time at
the top of the climb, he probably had more left for accelerations out
of corners on the descent and for the last flat 2km.
Note also that Cancellara was the only top contender to catch the
rider in front of him at the end of the ride, which can be extra
motivation to go faster (as confirmed by Jalabert's comment).
Speaking of which, you could see how much time could be gained on the
descent with Kloden who was putting seconds on the guy he caught on
some of the corners. Interestingly, Kloden also destroyed the other
London prologue times and was only beaten by Cancellara.
Another point that has to be made is that Specialized managed to build
him a TT bike that handles well for him in their first year sponsoring
him. He apparently asked to lower his saddle 1mm for this ride, maybe
with the view of helping him descend better.
-ilan
Tom Kunich
news:114fa69d-3277-41f1...@c9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Another point that has to be made is that Specialized managed to build
> him a TT bike that handles well for him in their first year sponsoring
> him. He apparently asked to lower his saddle 1mm for this ride, maybe
> with the view of helping him descend better.
Specialized?
Robert Chung
Specialized.
Ryan Cousineau
Donald Munro <fat-d...@mailinator.com> wrote:
And that is why he is in the ProTour, and you are not.
Donald Munro
>> Specialized?
Robert Chung wrote:
> Specialized.
Specialized
Donald Munro
> "Target sighted - and closing..." I think it's pretty cool that
> Cancellara reacts that way when the "rabbit" is in view.
Terminator IV
ilan
It might be Specialised here in Europe, I will have to check.
-ilan