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Kurgan Gringioni

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Jul 20, 2005, 3:01:58 PM7/20/05
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tactically, anyways.

He managed his efforts perfectly in the Giro, beating some guys who
were better climbers.

Today he did it again. Of course it helped that Sebastian Hinault was
weak, but note how Salvoldelli got rid of Gerrans, then rode not quite
at the limit w/ Hinault on his wheel, trying to bait Hinault into going
past so he could take his wheel. Then Hinault blew and Salvodelli gave
it full gas.

Smart motherfucker. He was getting almost no cooperation (except for
that burst from Gerrans) from the other guys and he still takes it.
Nice work.

Poor Arvesen. He was strong.

Jet

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Jul 20, 2005, 3:13:39 PM7/20/05
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On 20 Jul 2005 12:01:58 -0700, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgrin...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>tactically, anyways.
>
>He managed his efforts perfectly in the Giro, beating some guys who
>were better climbers.
>
>Today he did it again. Of course it helped that Sebastian Hinault was
>weak, but note how Salvoldelli got rid of Gerrans, then rode not quite
>at the limit w/ Hinault on his wheel, trying to bait Hinault into going
>past so he could take his wheel. Then Hinault blew and Salvodelli gave
>it full gas.

Stunning how completely Hinault blew up in the last 100 meters. Only when
you look at the overhead do you see how much gas Savo gave it, coming from
about 10 meters back and then just zooming ahead of Arvesen to win by 10
meters. In the forward view you couldn't tell how hard Savo was working.
Awesome talent.

I couldn't help but smile and laugh at the 'excited puppy' reception he got
at the team bus. That was great.

>Smart motherfucker. He was getting almost no cooperation (except for
>that burst from Gerrans) from the other guys and he still takes it.

He had me worried for a while, but no matter, it only added to the final
rush.

ila...@yahoo.com

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Jul 20, 2005, 3:19:25 PM7/20/05
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Hinault said the problem was that Salvoldelli joined him 500meters
before the top of the hill, and then rode so hard that Hinault was
totally
in the red and then was unable to recover. If Hinault
had been able to make it alone to the top, then it would
have been a different story, maybe. Anyway, it was good strategy for
Salvoldelli to tire out Hinault on the climb.

-ilan

Kurgan Gringioni a écrit :

k.papai

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Jul 20, 2005, 5:32:53 PM7/20/05
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Is Salvodelli related to The Badger?

Rik Van Diesel

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Jul 20, 2005, 5:58:13 PM7/20/05
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ila...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hinault said the problem was that Salvoldelli joined him 500meters
> before the top of the hill, and then rode so hard that Hinault was
> totally
> in the red and then was unable to recover. If Hinault
> had been able to make it alone to the top, then it would
> have been a different story, maybe. Anyway, it was good strategy for
> Salvoldelli to tire out Hinault on the climb.

> as strong.

That was a great ride by Salvodelli. On OLN they showed Hinaults HR at
178 when he was behind Salvodelli with a max of 195, which I figured
had him absolutely pegged in week 3 of the tour.

RVD

Tim Lines

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Jul 20, 2005, 6:02:11 PM7/20/05
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k.papai wrote:
> Is Salvodelli related to The Badger?
>

You are ON today! First the thing about Ullrich snarfing strudels and
now this. Nice work!

k.papai

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Jul 20, 2005, 6:21:26 PM7/20/05
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I owe it ALL to Steve S. Sheffield the First.
My mentor in sarcasm, brains, dry wit, and how to School/Attack.

-Ken P.

Patricio Carlos

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Jul 20, 2005, 7:48:33 PM7/20/05
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"SAVOLDELLI"
Not "Salvodelli".
C'mon, the guy has won two Grand Tours - learn to spell his name.

rkoreis

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Jul 20, 2005, 8:20:47 PM7/20/05
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If all you knew was Paul Sherwin's pronunciation of the name, that's how
you'd spell it. The OLN crew had me really confused during the Giro as to
whether it was Savodelli, Salvodelli, or Savoldelli.

Bob Koreis

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Jet

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Jul 20, 2005, 8:33:11 PM7/20/05
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:20:47 -0700, "rkoreis" <rko...@comcast.net> wrote:

>If all you knew was Paul Sherwin's pronunciation of the name, that's how
>you'd spell it. The OLN crew had me really confused during the Giro as to
>whether it was Savodelli, Salvodelli, or Savoldelli.
>
>Bob Koreis

Sheesh - the guy's name is spelled -for- you in the message header,
fercryinoutloud.

Instead of owning up to it, you try and blame Sherwin. Guess you know what
that makes you, lol.

jj

rkoreis

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Jul 20, 2005, 10:47:28 PM7/20/05
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To borrow from another poster...

Dumbass

You ASSUME that I was confused for the entire Giro and that I had my ass
parked in front of the TV as opposed to listening to the commentary while
doing other things. If something of major interest is happening, then I
watch.

rk

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Raptor

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Jul 21, 2005, 12:46:39 AM7/21/05
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ila...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hinault said the problem was that Salvoldelli joined him 500meters
> before the top of the hill, and then rode so hard that Hinault was
> totally
> in the red and then was unable to recover. If Hinault
> had been able to make it alone to the top, then it would
> have been a different story, maybe. Anyway, it was good strategy for
> Salvoldelli to tire out Hinault on the climb.
>
> -ilan

It was a happy coincidence that Hinault's one of the riders wired for
Polar's HR updates. His assessment of his condition ("in the red") is
verified by the numbers (175 with max 195).

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Steven L. Sheffield

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Jul 21, 2005, 7:36:20 AM7/21/05
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On 07/20/2005 01:19 PM, in article
1121887165.4...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "ila...@yahoo.com"
<ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hinault said the problem was that Salvoldelli joined him 500meters
> before the top of the hill, and then rode so hard that Hinault was
> totally
> in the red and then was unable to recover. If Hinault
> had been able to make it alone to the top, then it would
> have been a different story, maybe. Anyway, it was good strategy for
> Salvoldelli to tire out Hinault on the climb.

VIRTUAL STAGE WIN FOR SEBASTIEN HINAULT!!!!!

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Steven L. Sheffield

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Jul 21, 2005, 7:38:17 AM7/21/05
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On 07/20/2005 03:32 PM, in article
1121895173.4...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "k.papai"
<kenp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is Salvodelli related to The Badger?


Who is Salvodelli?

And why do I picture WAVES of lunchmeat being launched through the air
whenever I see (or hear) that name?

Steven L. Sheffield

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Jul 21, 2005, 7:38:53 AM7/21/05
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On 07/20/2005 04:21 PM, in article
1121898086.5...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "k.papai"
<kenp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I owe it ALL to Steve S. Sheffield the First.
> My mentor in sarcasm, brains, dry wit, and how to School/Attack.


You're welcome! <G>

Steven L. Sheffield

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Jul 21, 2005, 7:39:52 AM7/21/05
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On 07/20/2005 06:33 PM, in article
o7rtd1pi9ijtp21qo...@4ax.com, "Jet" <j...@jetnet.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:20:47 -0700, "rkoreis" <rko...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> If all you knew was Paul Sherwin's pronunciation of the name, that's how
>> you'd spell it. The OLN crew had me really confused during the Giro as to
>> whether it was Savodelli, Salvodelli, or Savoldelli.
>>
>> Bob Koreis
>
> Sheesh - the guy's name is spelled -for- you in the message header,
> fercryinoutloud.
>
> Instead of owning up to it, you try and blame Sherwin. Guess you know what
> that makes you, lol.

Who is Paul Sherwin?

Donald Munro

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Jul 21, 2005, 7:50:59 AM7/21/05
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ilanpi wrote:
>> If Hinault had been able to make it alone to the top, then it would
>> have been a different story, maybe. Anyway, it was good strategy for
>> Salvoldelli to tire out Hinault on the climb.

Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> VIRTUAL STAGE WIN FOR SEBASTIEN HINAULT!!!!!

Or a moral victory perhaps.


Kjell Arne Olsen

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Jul 21, 2005, 9:27:14 AM7/21/05
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"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:


>Poor Arvesen. He was strong.

Have to agree on that. Did he blew his chances by waiting too long
before going after Hinault/Savoldelli in the last climb? The downhill
chase virtually without help must have taken its toll.

Cheers,
Kjell Arne
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Jul 21, 2005, 9:31:49 AM7/21/05
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He also had the legs, which are a nice complement to his brains.

Morten Reippuert Knudsen

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Jul 21, 2005, 9:46:00 AM7/21/05
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Kjell Arne Olsen <ellaguru@your clothesstart.no> wrote:

> >Poor Arvesen. He was strong.

> Have to agree on that. Did he blew his chances by waiting too long
> before going after Hinault/Savoldelli in the last climb? The downhill
> chase virtually without help must have taken its toll.

No he made an error - he should have waited for the sprint. Arvesen
was by far the fastest of them.

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Kjell Arne Olsen

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Jul 21, 2005, 12:04:46 PM7/21/05
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen<sp...@reippuert.dk> wrote:

>Kjell Arne Olsen <ellaguru@your clothesstart.no> wrote:
>
>> >Poor Arvesen. He was strong.
>
>> Have to agree on that. Did he blew his chances by waiting too long
>> before going after Hinault/Savoldelli in the last climb? The downhill
>> chase virtually without help must have taken its toll.
>
>No he made an error - he should have waited for the sprint. Arvesen
>was by far the fastest of them.

Yes, probably, but it was difficult for him to know. If he was to
sprint against Savoldelli only no problem, but Hinault would have been
tougher, if it was not for the fact that he was totalyy knackered.

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