Usually this desire to control and repress others comes from massive
internal conflict within the person wanting others to behave and think
like they do.
Why has Andre chosen 'helmet use' as a soapbox - a relatively minor
number of people die from these accidents each year.
Andre should focus on the deaths caused by the use of tobacco - or
research the number of deaths caused by bacon and mayonnaise and then
devote his time and energies to protecting us from these far greater
evils.
Or maybe he should look in the mirror - place himself in that dusty
uncivilized middle eastern village and imagine himself hurling a stone
at a woman that didn't follow his idea of how things should be.
Do these men feel better after having 'controlled another human' -
do you feel good about the parallels Andre?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QovlOJycBw
Maybe Andre should just do as all wise men have done and consider the
golden rule - would he want someone else deciding that he couldn't
wear a helmet?
It's a choice Andre - I wear a helmet every time I ride - not because
you want me too but because I feel safer with one on. But having in
ridden in countries where 'helmets are required' or 'gum chewing is
not allowed' - yes they are such places.... my first instinct is to
stuff my mouth with double mint and ride down the streets with the
wind in my hair.
You annoy people that wear helmets Andre. And you annoy people that
choose not to wear helmets.
The end result - you are annoying to everyone. (and I have a strong
suspicion it's not just helmets with you )
Seek therapy - you will not find happiness until you learn that
happiness comes from controlling yourself and not from trying to
control others. You will never accomplish the latter - no one ever
has.
Andre is a TERRORIST?!?! I knew it!!!
Dumbass,
What Il Jute wants and desperately needs is attention.
He's chosen rec.bicycles.tech for his audience, in part
because they are so willing to respond to him.
Apparently that wasn't enough, or his act was wearing
thin, so he's resorted to a double measure of desperation -
crossposting and helmet trolls. Ignoring him is the
way to keep him from getting what he wants.
Fredmaster Ben
From the outside looking in, methinks Anton suffers from classic Freudian
projection.
--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
I'll leave this little jerk to you, Mike. Since I'm a psychologist, it
would be an unfair contest for me to bitch-slap him upside the face
with Krech et al. -- AJ
> I'll leave this little jerk to you, Mike. Since I'm a psychologist, it
> would be an unfair contest for me to bitch-slap him upside the face
> with Krech et al. -- AJ
<yawn> [1]
[1] For André Jute and Michael Press, this is NOT a quote of previously
posted text.
Here, you're obviously connoting a judgement of good or bad, right or wrong,
with "normality." I made no such judgement of Anton. Further, I find Andre
no more or less normal than anyone else here. This tatters of a newsgroup
would be a lesser place without his contributions. If the question is
instead, would I loan him my keyboard if his should shatter and break, or my
voice should he lack the words (that's a joke, son), the answer is certainly
yes, without hesitation. I even loaned you, Tom Sherman, three little dots'
worth of moral support in the question of the ellipsis of doom. You may toss
them in the refuse bin since you value them so. I would judge you no less
good or evil for doing so.
It seems a shame to waste time on such dry psychological topics in what
is, after all, a cycling newsgroup. In which part of the world, Mike,
are you fortunate enough to Ride Bike? If I've overstepped my bounds,
please at least tell us whether it's Winter or Summer there.
For my part it's late Summer, the time when one begins to smell concord grapes
from time to time by the roadside.
Jumping to conclusions part of your exercise program?
> I made no such judg[]ment of Anton. Further, I
> find Andr[é] no more or less normal than anyone else here.
You think posting new threads insulting everyone that has even a mild
disagreement with you to be normal Usenet behavior? It is certainly not
normal - can you even cite another poster who has done so?
> This tatters of
> a newsgroup would be a lesser place without his contributions.
Lesser volume perhaps, but hardly any loss of content. Other than the
odd post about lights or his hermaphrodite frame Kranich, what does Mr.
Jute contribute that is not destructive? My having been around here for
a while, I will state that RBT was more on-topic with better discussions
prior to Mr. Jute's arrival.
> If the
> question is instead, would I loan him my keyboard if his should shatter
> and break, or my voice should he lack the words (that's a joke, son),
> the answer is certainly yes, without hesitation.
Keyboards are cheap enough I suppose you could let bonobos [1] (i.e. the
"Mini-André's) use them.
> I even loaned you, Tom
> Sherman, three little dots' worth of moral support in the question of
> the ellipsis of doom. You may toss them in the refuse bin since you
> value them so. I would judge you no less good or evil for doing so.
>
Per Sheldon Brown [2], I made sure the electrons were recycled instead
of wasted.
[1] Accepted English language plural of bonobo, per Webster's Dictionary.
[2] Now there was a valued contributor to RBT. R.I.P.
Around here, it's blackberries -- although I fear it's now post-prime
blackberry season, and I haven't gotten out to pick a few pounds so my
wife can make a blackberry pie. I only have to go about 500 yards
from my house to get to a good, productive bush that always yields a
few pies each season.
When I lived in California, I would ride past strawberry fields around
Hecker Pass -- it was like riding through a jar of jam. I do a ride
around here that goes past a cilantro field, which is interesting.
Vinyards are big going over Chehalem Mountain, but I can't smell the
grapes.
The SCV in California is a lot more fragrant than PDX with all the Bay
and Eucalyptus and dry grass. Forest duff and fir stands have kind of
a wet smell, but otherwise, riding around here is relatively unscented
unless I ride through suburbia on laundry day. -- Jay Beattie.
Way past. The end of July into mid-August are the best berries. Not
the most, but the best. Relatively few are ripe then, but they are
the best. At first it's only the single big one at the very tip of
each cane that is ready.
Yeah, it's right around then that you start smelling them as you ride
past on the road.
> ..., and I haven't gotten out to pick a few pounds so my
> wife can make a blackberry pie.
Pie and cobbler can add sugar to the less prime fruit and make it
sweeter, but still - that wonderful berry flavor is best in the early
ones.
> I only have to go about 500 yards
> from my house to get to a good, productive bush that always yields a
> few pies each season.
>
> When I lived in California, I would ride past strawberry fields around
> Hecker Pass -- it was like riding through a jar of jam. I do a ride
> around here that goes past a cilantro field, which is interesting.
> Vinyards are big going over Chehalem Mountain, but I can't smell the
> grapes.
>
It always gets the attention of my nose when a truck passes with a
load of ripe strawberries.
> The SCV in California is a lot more fragrant than PDX with all the Bay
> and Eucalyptus and dry grass. Forest duff and fir stands have kind of
> a wet smell, but otherwise, riding around here is relatively unscented
> unless I ride through suburbia on laundry day.
I know that smell, too.
I ride through a lot of farmland, so smells and a knowledge of where
they are can be a very accurate indicator of prevailing breezes.
What am I, your Magic 8-Ball? Your disorders and shortcomings evidenced in
this one post are even more glaring and grievous than Andre's in his
previous 50 posts. Your world clearly would be less without him.
There's little enough to say about bicycles. I understand that. There is
little also to say about rides and riding that hasn't already been said a
few thousand times too many to sound anything but trite. And so we talk
about bicyclists instead. But even here, we fail because we are too diverse
and dispassionate a group. So we invent little factions and go about what
man does naturally and best, bludgeon each other's figments with the tools
we find on hand. Fancy words and each others' insecurities are all we have.
Even that has to get dull to the point of tears at some point.
My rides lately, to put it blandly, have been completely boring. It's the
same two hundred miles or so of trails that I've ridden over and over. There
are some places I haven't been yet, but the destinations are small compared
to the journey, and the journey is through the ugliest roads and traffic
imaginable for bicycles. Only the foolhardy go there, with or without a hat.
Radey, it's the Labor Day weekend here, and the weather today and yesterday
are uncharacteristically cool, in the 60's after a long unbroken run of 80's
and 90's. I live in Carol Stream, IL, about 25 miles west of Chicago. In a
few minutes, I'm headed out to ride a 60 mile loop I've ridden too many
times in the recent past, so I'm doing it only for the pain, and allevation
of the pain of not riding. My destination is nearby Algonquin, which has the
only 100' 10% climb within riding distance of my home. I'll do a few brief
intervals, maybe chitchat briefly with the roadies who gravitate there, and
then cruise home on the Fox River Trail and behind DuPage Airport. The heavy
rain and strong winds 3 nights ago likely left the limestone rail trails a
mess of washouts and softly packed fill. It promises to be a spectacularly
fine day.
I'll hold onto my public anonymity a little while longer, but might break
that silence in the next few days, to ask for your monetary support in the
form of voluntary contributions. Next weekend is the Sub-5 Century in nearby
Hampshire, benefitting Parkinson's research. I'll wait and see how the legs
feel today. I haven't been on a bike in quite a long time, you see, aside
from riding long enough to teach my kids how to ride 10 years ago. Next week
will be exactly 5 months since getting back in the saddle, on April 16,
after 30 years of not riding.
My favorite is early to mid summer, when the mulberry trees are
producing. There have been hundreds of times my bike ride has come to
a sudden halt to enjoy the sweet fruit. Those events are among my
daughter's pleasant childhood memories - and come to think of it, her
adult memories as well!
- Frank Krygowski
Hmm. So you're really not very interested in bicycles and bicycling,
and you haven't paid attention to bicycling or bicycling issues for 30
years.
If I were in that position, I wouldn't debate anybody. I'd assume
that there was learning I needed to do, and I'd be reading and
learning instead of typing.
- Frank Krygowski
I enjoyed that post, Jay. I liked California when worked out of SF and
LA. But here, while we have blackberrries in the hedgerows in
profusion, the major sensual impacts are hearing water in the streams
-- many lanes have a stream each side! -- and feeling it on your skin,
not necessarily cold enough to be uncomfortable. The rare really pushy
smells are offensive -- slurry, for instance (it's liquid cow manure).
-- AJ
I ride through farmland where they pump that stuff through giant
sprinklers. I would assume that aerosolizing animal waste is a huge
health hazard. -- Jay Beattie.l
One of the good things about the nannystate that is the EU is that
they have put a stop to most of the genuine environmental hazards.
Slurry is here sprayed out of sprayers a few meters wide, nozzles
pointing downwards, on a rig pulled behind a tractor; none of that
city-block size overgrown lawnsprayer type that puts the shit
(literal, here) everywhere. The small-scale way just isn't a nuisance.
It's when a careless farmer lets slurry from his tank run across a
road, or when he drips it on the road from his tank, that it becomes a
nuisance for everyone and a danger for two-wheelers as well. You do
understand that our farmers get money from the EU agricultural funds
for beautifying the countryside, don't you? They're paid to make the
countryside pleasant for everyone; it's what was substituted for
paying them not to grow stuff that went into food mountains that no
one wanted. (Sorni is throwing conniptions and Andrew Muzi is
clutching at his heart! I'd better shut up about the Common
Agricultural Policy; it makes no sense to an American, nor, to be
true, to even city-bred Europeans who didn't grow up with its, shall
we say, peculiarities.) -- AJ
Oh, golly, Choppy, the only thing more embarrassing than that would
be, "Krygowski whipped your ass intellectually." We won't be able to
find anywhere short of the Arctic where people won't laugh at us in
the streets.
Including
> the 4 yr degree psychologist that probably makes $37,000 a year
> listening to depressed prison inmates at the county jail.
It's an outrage to pay Tim McNamara $37,000 a year for depressing the
inmates of the county jail. He isn't worth a quarter that much. And he
probably only depresses them a few bucks' worth.
Andre Jute
Thank the Lord I chose private industry!
Those actions against women derive not from Islam, but misogynistic and
paternalistic secular culture - they do not happen in more progressive
Islamic countries.
I think that in most countries of whatever faith, they would stone
Jute if he shows up in public.
I think his being stoned (with THC) would improve Jute's personality.
Dumbass -
Why don't you go on beliefnet and debate the atheists? RBR is no
place to post about cunts like Jesus.
Bit anti-semitic to start flinging names like that at a radical first
century BC Jewish rabbi from the provinces.
But then you do have a talent for being 100% wrong 100% of the time,
Anton Berlin.
Andre Jute
Goosey, goosey, gander
The end result - you are annoying to everyone. (and I have a strong
suspicion it's not just helmets with you )
You keep on proving my point with your childish ways Andre. No one
will listen to you. No one will agree with you.
Seek therapy.
<snip>
>
> ... it's the Labor Day weekend here, and the weather today and yesterday
> are uncharacteristically cool, in the 60's after a long unbroken run of 80's
> and 90's. I live in Carol Stream, IL, about 25 miles west of Chicago. In a
> few minutes, I'm headed out to ride a 60 mile loop I've ridden too many
> times in the recent past, so I'm doing it only for the pain, and allevation
> of the pain of not riding. My destination is nearby Algonquin...
My daily commute is right around 60 miles round trip. There are a few
slightly shorter routes, but as you note, variety is more fun.
> ..., which has the
> only 100' 10% climb within riding distance of my home.
I have 100' of 14% not more than five minutes out the door in the
morning. (Talk about a quick warmup! :-) There's an alternate route
on the way home that's even steeper.
<snip>
> On Sep 6, 12:39 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
Changing Jute's subject lines is just trying to minimize the damage that
the idiot Jute insists on perpetrating on our newsgroup, which has been
damaged by his doucheness over the past couple of years. He's an
arrogant, narcissistic toerag and unfortunately he has just enough
sycophants and admirers to continue to screw things up. Jute revels in
the sense of power he gets from having people participating in his
childish abusively title threads. He has ruined other newsgroups before
this one and unfortunately has developed collaborators here in r.b.t.
They may think him amusing but this *used to be* a useful newsgroup
which was an excellent source of technical discussion and information
about bicycles. It is rarely so now, thanks to Jute and those fools who
keep feeding the troll.
--
That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, Bingo.
As ever, McNamara the Interpreter of Numbers, Seer of Holy Intent, your
vision is clouded and your intellect obscured by your wishful thinking. Once
again, correlation is not causation. The relevance and fate of usenet will
continue despite the best or worst mechanizations of Jute the Magnificent or
Jute the Evil Monger. In your professional capacity, what would you
prescribe a patient exhibiting your tendencies?
"MikeWhy" may or may not be a sock puppet, but by all indications Mr.
Jute did use "Gray Glasser" as a sock puppet.
I don't prescribe. But thank you for revealing yourself in this and the
other thread.
Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> Changing Jute's subject lines
I am Andre Jute. I didn't name this thread "In a Muslim Country -
Andre Jute would stone women". Another of the RBT scumballs did.
But McNamara wants to blame me for all the little RBT sociopaths,
McNamara included, misbehaving in this thread.
McNamara is the scumbag who named another thread "The time wasting of
Jute" and wasted his time sending dozens of posts to a thread that in
its title falsely accuses me of waste.
But the little scumballs, dancing around, foaming at the mouth as they
scream "Troll" at me, can't see that they are the trolls, not me.
> keep feeding the troll.
Who said there is no irony on the net?
Andre Jute
Feed a tree today, produce more CO2!
> On 9/6/2010 2:16 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>> because he has no friends in real life or in these forums. Just
>> people that would like to kick his pansy little ass.
>
> "MikeWhy" may or may not be a sock puppet, but by all indications
> Mr. Jute did use "Gray Glasser" as a sock puppet.
You're simply envious of the zipless rapport André has achieved with
this gloomy Midwestern soul.
Seriously though, I'm usually disappointed with fictional accounts of
how characters befriend one another. I can suspend disbelief when it comes
to friendship already achieved, or falling in love, or making alliances
of convenience, or suddenly developed antipathy, but I can't think of many
convincing portrayals of the subtle process of affiliation.
Actually it makes it worse.
I'm sure that I'm not the only person that creates new filters based on
subject lines, in addition to filtering specific posters. Each time the
subject line changes I have to add another filter. Filter out Jute,
Dolan, the monkey, and Krygowski and the newsgroup has some value.
Any value Usenet ever had has long since gone the way of the Dodo Bird. It
ought to be done away with altogether. The best people would not be caught
dead posting to these crappy newsgroups. Only the dregs of humanity are to
be found here, types like SMS.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Try AvC
http://groups.google.com/group/atheism-vs-christianity
Much more fun, and you both might learn something.