Anton feels sorry for you. Anton is sorry you don't believe in miracles.
Anton Berlin
A cloud of suspicion lingered over Lance Armstrong when he retired.
Both times.
When Armstrong bowed out in 2005, L’Equipe didn’t write the
commemorative legacy piece he might have hoped for. Instead,
“Armstrong’s Lie,” claimed the seven-time Tour champ’s legacy began
with doping.
On the 2005 podium, Armstrong was famously quoted regarding people who
doubt impressive performances in cycling: “I feel sorry for you. I’m
sorry you don’t believe in miracles.” Flanking him that day were Ivan
Basso and Jan Ullrich, who were both prosecuted for doping soon
thereafter.
But the 2005 Tour riders marred by doping was not limited to the
podium, of course. An appraisal today of the top 20 riders in the
final overall reveals the following:
* 1. Lance Armstrong, Discovery Channel
* 2. Ivan Basso, CSC – confessed to Puerto involvement and banned
from 2006 Tour ()
* 3. Jan Ullrich, T-Mobile – connected to Puerto and banned from
2006 Tour
* 4. Francisco Mancebo, Illes Balears – connected to Puerto and
banned from 2006 Tour
* 5. Alexander Vinokourov, Astana – tested positive for doping at
2007 Tour
* 6. Levi Leipheimer, Gerolsteiner — accused of doping by Floyd
Landis and former Gerolsteiner manager
* 7. Michael Rasmussen, Rabobank – ejected from 2007 Tour while in
the yellow jersey
* 8. Cadel Evans, Davitamon-Lotto
* 9. Floyd Landis, Phonak – disqualified as 2006 Tour winner for
doping
* 10. Oscar Pereiro, Phonak – alleged to have doped by Landis
* 11. Christophe Moreau, Credit Agricole – admitted EPO use after
Festina Affaire
* 12. Yaroslav Popovych, Discovery Channel – home searched
* 13. Eddy Mazzoleni, Lampre-Caffita – charged in doping
conspiracy after receiving a two-year ban in 2008
* 14. George Hincapie, Discovery Channel — accused of doping by
Floyd Landis
* 15. Haimar Zubeldia, Euskaltel-Euskadi
* 16. Jörg Jaksche, Liberty Seguros – admitted doping since 1997
* 17. Bobby Julich, CSC
* 18. Oscar Sevilla, T-Mobile – suspended by team in 2006 for
Puerto links
* 19. Giuseppe Guerini, T-Mobile
* 20. Carlos Sastre, CSC
* Also, 23. Leonardo Piepoli, Saunier Duval-Prodir – tested
positive for CERA in 2008
Anton Berlin
Deak
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSLvcJ4I1mw
>
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/02/news/repeat-performance-suspic...
>
> A cloud of suspicion lingered over Lance Armstrong when he retired.
> Both times.
>
Your point being …?
Simply Fred
> Your point being …?
Dumbass,
Like the universe, rbr is completely pointless.
Deak
Not dumbass, Half Fast.
Phil H
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSLvcJ4I1mw
>
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/02/news/repeat-performance-suspic...
>
Page 209 Positively False ...Floyd Landis...I didn't have any evidence
to give them (USADA) about Lance....I never saw anything to indicate
Lance used drugs. He goes on......
why didn't their supposedly bulletproof drug tests catch him...the
point is, they didn't catch him, they had all those years and they
didn't catch him, they need to let it go. After reading his book I
feel sorry for Floyd....he got screwed. Then again, his actions were
greatly influenced by his emotional state, which has seen some
tremendous peaks and valleys. I can't but admire the guy for his work
ethic on the bike even though his actions off the bike have been far
less than admirable.
Phil H
Fred Fredburger
When I read this, it made me think of Landis:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-18/madoff-s-credibility-ends-when-his-mouth-moves-commentary-by-ann-woolner.html
Since this is RBR, comparing Landis to Madoff isn't close enough to the
top to be in danger of going over. In the real world, it IS over the top.
Simply Fred
> When I read this, it made me think of Landis:
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-18/madoff-s-credibility-ends-when-his-mouth-moves-commentary-by-ann-woolner.html
> Since this is RBR, comparing Landis to Madoff isn't close enough to the
> top to be in danger of going over. In the real world, it IS over the top.
He must have ridden for the same team that the Italian Ponzi does.
Choppy Warburton
He didn't have any evidence and still doesn't. What he has is
'testimony'
BLafferty
Mike Jacoubowsky
news:YM-dnQbt96uOBP_Q...@giganews.com...
> http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2011/02/lance-armstrong-investigation-doping.html#more
"It's hard to count the number of denials professional athletes in all
sports have made over the years because there have been so many. Victor
Conti didn't become a multi-millionaire by helping only one athlete dope:
Barry Bonds. Rather, he was doping hundreds, if not thousands of
professional athletes. He lived in a mansion in some of the priciest real
estate in our country! Doping in professional sports is not an isolated
case of a bad apple."
If Victor Conti is responsible for "hudreds, if not thousands" of
professional athletes doping... and all we know about are a couple of
celebrity cases... I'm rather disappointed in whomever prosecuted that case.
Who was that?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Fred Flintstein
> "BLafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:YM-dnQbt96uOBP_Q...@giganews.com...
>> http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2011/02/lance-armstrong-investigation-doping.html#more
>
> "It's hard to count the number of denials professional athletes in all sports have made over the years because there have been so many. Victor Conti didn't become a multi-millionaire by helping only
> one athlete dope: Barry Bonds. Rather, he was doping hundreds, if not thousands of professional athletes. He lived in a mansion in some of the priciest real estate in our country! Doping in
> professional sports is not an isolated case of a bad apple."
>
> If Victor Conti is responsible for "hudreds, if not thousands" of professional athletes doping... and all we know about are a couple of celebrity cases... I'm rather disappointed in whomever
> prosecuted that case.
>
> Who was that?
All I know for certain is that it all leads back
Thom.
Fred Flintstein
Scott
wrote:> >http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2011/02/lance-armstrong-investigation-...
>
> "It's hard to count the number of denials professional athletes in all
> sports have made over the years because there have been so many. Victor
> Conti didn't become a multi-millionaire by helping only one athlete dope:
> Barry Bonds. Rather, he was doping hundreds, if not thousands of
> professional athletes. He lived in a mansion in some of the priciest real
> estate in our country! Doping in professional sports is not an isolated
> case of a bad apple."
>
> If Victor Conti is responsible for "hudreds, if not thousands" of
> professional athletes doping... and all we know about are a couple of
> celebrity cases... I'm rather disappointed in whomever prosecuted that case.
>
> Who was that?
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Oh, snap!
Fredmaster of Brainerd
>
> http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2011/02/lance-armstrong-investigation-doping.html%23more
>
One neat thing about his table of all the people
that are associates of Armstrong that are suspected
dopers is that it includes Yaroslav Popovych,
on the grounds that Popovych was
"Never convicted of doping but had his home raided
as part of Jeffrey Novitsky's investigation with Sports
Illustrated reporting that evidence linking Lance
Armstrong's teams to doping was found in his home."
So part of the evidence against Armstrong is that
he associates with suspected dopers, including
Popvych, whom we know is under a cloud of doping
suspicion because he was investigated. And why was
he investigated? Because he was associated with
Armstrong.
That's the catch. Which catch, you might ask,
Chaplain Lafferty? Why, it's Catch-22.
Fredmaster Ben
H. Fred Kveck
RicodJour
wrote:
> In article <951afc50-ee3e-40e2-adb8-b3b5885cd...@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com>,
> Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 9:55 am, BLafferty <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > > html%23more
>
> > One neat thing about his table of all the people
> > that are associates of Armstrong that are suspected
> > dopers is that it includes Yaroslav Popovych,
> > on the grounds that Popovych was
>
> > "Never convicted of doping but had his home raided
> > as part of Jeffrey Novitsky's investigation with Sports
> > Illustrated reporting that evidence linking Lance
> > Armstrong's teams to doping was found in his home."
>
> > So part of the evidence against Armstrong is that
> > he associates with suspected dopers, including
> > Popvych, whom we know is under a cloud of doping
> > suspicion because he was investigated. And why was
> > he investigated? Because he was associated with
> > Armstrong.
>
> > That's the catch. Which catch, you might ask,
> > Chaplain Lafferty? Why, it's Catch-22.
>
> That's some catch, that Catch-22.
I am sorry, but I can't let this go, and I have to set you straight.
To quote the book:
"Catch-22 states that agents enforcing Catch-22 need not prove that
Catch-22 actually contains whatever provision the accused violator is
accused of violating."
I see absolutely _nothing_ in that that has anything to do with the
current topic under discussion and I, err, hmmm...oh. Nevermind.
R
Simply Fred
> All I know for certain is that it all leads back
> Thom.
Radiohead have just released a new album so I suppose it does for the
moment.
Simply Fred
> That's the catch. Which catch, you might ask,
> Chaplain Lafferty? Why, it's Catch-22.
I wonder if you'll find Lafferty naked up a tree in another month of
Tuesdays.
Anton Berlin
There, there.
William Fred
news:951afc50-ee3e-40e2...@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com:
> So part of the evidence against Armstrong is that
> he associates with suspected dopers, including
> Popvych, whom we know is under a cloud of doping
> suspicion because he was investigated. And why was
> he investigated? Because he was associated with
> Armstrong.
But he had to have known that if he was associated with Armstrong, he
would be suspected of doping, so only someone who really was suspected of
doping would be associated with Armstrong.
--
Bill Fred