Positively Levi
Aiko
1996 Crit Nats Champ. Or not.
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/hometown_hero_levi_leipheimer.php
K. Fred Gauss
> 1996 Crit Nats Champ. Or not.
>
> http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/hometown_hero_levi_leipheimer.php
I get annoyed with the "He's a nice guy and we like him and that proves
he didn't dope" defense a little more than with the Lafferty-esque
opposite. After reading a story like this, I can only pray that Levi
buys a dog and names him "Tugboat".
Fredmaster of Brainerd
Dumbass,
RBR was 13.5 years ahead of you:
Fredmaster Ben
Brad Anders
> On Jun 2, 5:30 pm, "Aiko" <nos...@nospamnospam848.org> wrote:
>
> > 1996 Crit Nats Champ. Or not.
>
> >http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/hometown_hero_levi_leiphe...
>
> Dumbass,
>
> RBR was 13.5 years ahead of you:
>
>
> Fredmaster Ben
Hey, did you see Gene Bowen's comment on asthmatics? Scooped Magilla
by a decade, too.
Brad Anders
i, fred
Brad Anders <pban...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 2, 6:04=A0pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 2, 5:30=A0pm, "Aiko" <nos...@nospamnospam848.org> wrote:
>>
>> > 1996 Crit Nats Champ. Or not.
>>
>> >http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/hometown_hero_levi_leiphe...
>>
>> Dumbass,
>>
>> RBR was 13.5 years ahead of you:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/...
>>
>> Fredmaster Ben
>
>Hey, did you see Gene Bowen's comment on asthmatics? Scooped Magilla
>by a decade, too.
>
>Brad Anders
Last I heard he was the owner of the Webcor pro team. Nice guy.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
Yeah, that was before my time on RBR, but for some
reason I thought the asthmatics/bronchodilators debate
had been continuing over the years and Magilla just
adopted it as his crusade.
Levi only got 3 months, it's entirely possible he got popped for
something dumb like a stimulant or even pseudo-ephedrine.
This seems like an occasion for the self-righteous to point
fingers. Also, Joe Papp dug it up? WTF? Is he working for
Jeff Novitsky now?
Fredmaster Ben
A. Dumas Fred
> On Jun 2, 5:30 pm, "Aiko" wrote:
>> 1996 Crit Nats Champ. Or not.
>> http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/hometown_hero_levi_leiphe...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/5a41aeb3101d43d4/a8e25b7079c64c11?hl=en#a8e25b7079c64c11
From a Facebook friend:
On the Landis ‘naming others’ thing…was anyone else in the Nat’l Elite
Crit (Columbus, Ohio 94-95?). Race was so hard only 21 guys finished.
Jason Snow & I sat on Levi’s wheel as he lapped the main field to a lead
grouip (at 34 mph) to win; was DOPED to the Gills, got busted, but
signed w/ Saturn the same week anyway. Condoning system?
He (Levi) was stripped of the Nat’l Champ Title which wasd given to
Chris Wherry by default.
Fred on a stick
> From a Facebook friend:
>
> On the Landis 'naming others' thing.was anyone else in the Nat'l Elite
> Crit (Columbus, Ohio 94-95?). Race was so hard only 21 guys finished.
> Jason Snow & I sat on Levi's wheel as he lapped the main field to a
> lead grouip (at 34 mph) to win; was DOPED to the Gills, got busted,
> but signed w/ Saturn the same week anyway. Condoning system?
> He (Levi) was stripped of the Nat'l Champ Title which wasd given to
> Chris Wherry by default.
This one?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20006588-503544.html
Brad Anders
>
> And to boot the thread was started by your (old?) club mate, Dario Falquier.
> Last I heard he was the owner of the Webcor pro team. Nice guy.
Dario and Ted are co-owners. I never knew Dario, but I did a lot of
rides with Ted, he was/is a hell of a strong rider.
http://www.webcorcycling.com/2010/roster.html
I just noticed that they don't have Amber's pic up yet.
Brad Anders
Fred
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 2, 7:36=A0pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 2, 6:04=A0pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> > On Jun 2, 5:30=A0pm, "Aiko" <nos...@nospamnospam848.org> wrote:
>>
>> > > 1996 Crit Nats Champ. Or not.
>>
>...
>>
>> > Dumbass,
>>
>> > RBR was 13.5 years ahead of you:
>>
>> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/...
>>
>> > Fredmaster Ben
>>
>> Hey, did you see Gene Bowen's comment on asthmatics? Scooped Magilla
>> by a decade, too.
>>
>> Brad Anders
>
>Yeah, that was before my time on RBR, but for some
>reason I thought the asthmatics/bronchodilators debate
>had been continuing over the years and Magilla just
>adopted it as his crusade.
>
>Levi only got 3 months, it's entirely possible he got popped for
>something dumb like a stimulant or even pseudo-ephedrine.
>This seems like an occasion for the self-righteous to point
>fingers. Also, Joe Papp dug it up? WTF? Is he working for
>Jeff Novitsky now?
>
>Fredmaster Ben
dare to call out confirmed dopers.
Plus, I don't see how doping with stimulants is "something dumb" especially
in a criterium where it would confer a significant advantage.
Please expound.
Fred Flintstein
> Plus, I don't see how doping with stimulants is "something dumb" especially
> in a criterium where it would confer a significant advantage.
>
> Please expound.
>
Because of the ease of detection, doping with stimulants makes
no sense at all. It's sort of like stashing a motor on the bike
in that regard.
Stimulants are certainly still out there. If you are taking shit
to enhance recovery you would pair that with stimulants to ramp
up your training volume.
Fred Flintstein
DA74
wrote:
I defy you to name a single protocol for this doping procedure you
laid out.
-DA74
Fred Flintstein
I realize you're trolling, so I won't put too much time into this.
A number of years ago package from Belgium addressed to a former
pro's dad was discovered to be containing stimulants. When I asked
an ex-pro about that he said that probably it was from someone
using them to jack up their training load in preparation for Flanders
and Paris-Roubaix. You would use them in training but not for a race
because of the ease of detection.
He said the people that did this made really strange riding
companions.
I realize your author has programmed you to pull a counter argument
out of your ass and follow this up. So let me tell you in advance
to suck it.
Fred Flintstein
DA74
>
> - Show quoted text -
Fucktard,
That is a nice story. But you only mentioned that these "pros" were
using stimulants to ramp up training volume. What "shit" to enhance
recovery do they pair up the simulants with?
It's a simple question.
-DA74
Fred Flintstein
> It's a simple question.
Indeed it is. And the answer is 'Suck it.'
Fred Flintstein
PS I guess no one will ever mistake me for Coggan.
bar
wrote:
> On 6/3/2010 3:51 PM, DA74 wrote:
>
> > It's a simple question.
>
>
> Fred Flintstein
>
> PS I guess no one will ever mistake me for Coggan.
improved
B. Lafferty
DA74
wrote:
First you'd have to produce that diminutive gob shriveled hanging
flesh which is highly unlikely since you haven't actually laid eyes or
hands on it since the Reagan years due to the copious amounts of
retroperitoneal lard impeding your access.
But I'll agree. No one will ever mistake you for Coggan. There are
several reasons for this with the first being that he can articulate
his stance and defend it under scrutiny, whether right or wrong and
secondly because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a soup-can
telephone and write in the near equivalent of monosyllabic grunts,
understandable to no one with the exception of the dwindling
poplulation of fellow cave dwellers.
So, back to the question, What "shit" to enhance recovery do these
"Belgian pros" pair up the simulants with?
Let me know,
DA74
Fred Flintstein
Fockstick,
Ask Google. Google knows.
Fred Flintstein
z, fred
Goddamn,
What the fuck do you think the ball patch is for?
DA74
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's an easy one. The fuck I think the ball patch is for is for
winning the Tour de France.
Teach me more Socrates,
DA74
Fredmaster of Brainerd
>
> So, back to the question, What "shit" to enhance recovery do these
> "Belgian pros" pair up the simulants with?
>
> Let me know,
> DA74
Dumbass,
For God's sake don't be so naive. Schwartz is a
Masters racer. Just because young and naive
riders like Floyd and Levi share their doping protocols,
if not the actual needles, doesn't mean an old
and guileful Masters Fattie is going to explain
his program to you. Especially not for free on the
Internets. Masters racing isn't like the pros where
there's some level of winking and camaraderie.
We are talking real competition here, buddy.
Sincerely,
Fredmaster Ben
a FORCE to be reckoned with
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
HGH?
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
DA74
LMAO. So you think he's going to launch a training web site soon? I
was just about to sign up here:
http://www.tylerhamiltontraining.com/level_2.php
But Tyler doesn't mention anything about doping in training which I'm
reeeally interested in.
-DA74, aspiring doper
K. Fred Gauss
It's for the tingly feeling you get when you pull it off.
Frederick the Great
<989be3c0-5056-450a...@42g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
DA74 <davida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You are a funny guy. Funny with your attitude toward
racers, and funny with your attitude toward anyone. And
funny when you run into a buzz saw, but keep charging
until, as a cartoon character does, both sides of you
flop over, perfectly bisected.
--
Old Fritz
Michael Press
<15cecb0b-0d0e-4fb6...@v12g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
DA74 <davida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Looks good, but what is "Goat Identification and Planning"?
--
Michael Press
Betty Munro
>> http://www.tylerhamiltontraining.com/level_2.php
>> But Tyler doesn't mention anything about doping in training which I'm
>> reeeally interested in.
>> -DA74, aspiring doper
Michael Press wrote:
> Looks good, but what is "Goat Identification and Planning"?
One step up from Sheep Identification and Prodding ?
DA74
> In article
> <989be3c0-5056-450a-a92a-29e89f461...@42g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
What do you mean? The way I talk? What? Funny how? What's funny about
it? You mean, let me understand this because maybe it's me, I am
little fucked up maybe but I'm funny how?
I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here
to fucking amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I
funny? You said I'm funny, how the fuck am I funny, what the fuck is
so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny about me!
-DA74
Fredmaster of Brainerd
Dumbass, or Joe Papp,
Flintstein explained why doping with stimulants is dumb.
In 1996 even caffeine (and pseudoephedrine, i.e. cold meds)
were on the banned list (although you'd have to drink a pissload
of coffee to get done for it).
As for self-righteous, I think you don't understand what it means.
The self-righteous condemn others from a position of their
own asserted virtue. I don't assert a greater virtue here. I just
don't think the fact that Levi got suspended for 3 months in 1996,
and it is a fact, is very interesting. If I believed in a dichotomy
between cyclists who were pure as the driven snow and
full-on dirty dog dopers, I might care, but I don't believe in that.
Did you read the original sfweekly blog? It combined poking
fun at Santa Rosa papers for saying Levi must be clean because
he's our local nice guy (which I agree is stupid) with dumb shit
like "The tables then listed dozens of banned medicines with
hard-to-pronounce names such as ephedrine, picrotoxine, and
etafedrine." Oh please. Then I learn from the comments that
this was dug up by the dogged detective work of ... Joe Papp!
WTF is Papp doing? Is he trying to have a religious conversion -
now that he's confessed to all sorts of doping offenses, he
goes around popping up whenever dope is the subject like
a fucking Where's Waldo? He showed up at the Landis hearing too,
for no reason that I or the CAS could understand.
Fredmaster Ben
Fred on a stick
"Fredmaster of Brainerd" <bjwe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:042258b9-5058-4c59...@z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> WTF is Papp doing? Is he trying to have a religious conversion -
> [...], he
> goes around popping up whenever dope is the subject like
> a fucking Where's Waldo?
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