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David Ferguson

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Jul 13, 2005, 5:11:35 PM7/13/05
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:56:51 +0200, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:

>Dans le message de news:s9kad1h6e191b0tna...@4ax.com,
>David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:25:42 +0200, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Dans le message de news:slhad1dj8gvkrit6r...@4ax.com,
>>
>>>>
>>> Yes !
>>
>>
>> That's English, dumbass.
>
>??, ???????, ?? ? ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????? ???????? !
>? ???? ???? ?????, ??? Yesssss o???? ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????.
>
>À +


Lol, now THAT's French.

David Ferguson

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Jul 13, 2005, 5:13:03 PM7/13/05
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:00:03 +0200, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:

>Dans le message de news:v5lad1htl1rhnklt9...@4ax.com,


>David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:30:44 GMT, Tim Mullin <pos...@work.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in
>>> news:vckad15slh9p2um71...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> I have over 400 college credit hours including 3 semesters of
>>>> Spanish (with 2 years in HS). Does that make me not a dumbass?
>>>
>>> No. Even if you were fluent seven or eight languages, you'd still be
>>> a dumbass.
>>
>>
>> Exactly, so your statement of "How appropriate! The mono-lingual
>> american boob, calling someone multilingual a dumbass." was completely
>> pointless.
>>
>I think we are all excited that you read and understood that much.
>Monolingual, you should appreciate, was offered as an overstament.


That should be funny, but it's just stupid.

Geraard Spergen

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Jul 13, 2005, 12:47:59 PM7/13/05
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"David Ferguson" <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> a écrit::

> If you want to make yourself useful you could translate the article
> into English.
>

The guy suing Lance about the bike shop deal gone bad is tapping the ex-Mrs.
Armstrong.


David Ferguson

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Jul 13, 2005, 5:44:19 PM7/13/05
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:26:14 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <Ma...@Italia.org>
wrote:

>
>"David Ferguson" <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in message
>news:vguad1tku7j0qu051...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:13:34 -0700, Jaybee <jcar...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>B. Lafferty wrote:
>>>> Today
>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3242,36-671812@51-627740,0.html
>>>>
>>>snipped
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I wanted to know what it said anyway: Babelfish is pretty crude.
>>>Substitute He or
>>>His for It or Its in many cases:
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>Kristin Armstrong, the ex-wife of the victorious sextuple of the Turn,
>>>called it its
>>>"H2" ("husband n° 2", "husband n° 2"). Mechanic, trainer, confidant,
>>>intendant,
>>>translator, gardener, guard, driver... during two years, Texan Mike
>>>Anderson, 33
>>>years, were the personal assistant of Lance Armstrong. The former
>>>"friends" clash
>> snip
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Not much we haven't already hear I guess.
>>
>> Funny how Babelfish makes it sound like Golum (from Lord of the
>> Rings).
>>
>> No failed drug tests. What is a person to do.
>>
>> D
>
>Please learn how to use your newsreader. I did not provide the translation.
>Thanks.
>


Please learn that I don't give a shit what you think. You tunnel
vision goof.

Thanks.

B. Lafferty

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Jul 13, 2005, 4:26:14 PM7/13/05
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Kyle Legate

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Jul 13, 2005, 4:30:29 PM7/13/05
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alex wrote:
> Can anybody post here the creation charter of this group. I would like to
> see where it is written that there is any official language.
>
It's not called rec.radfahrer.rennen for a reason.

B. Lafferty

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Jul 13, 2005, 4:23:58 PM7/13/05
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"Bob Schwartz" <cv...@shell.core.com> wrote in message
news:11das8k...@corp.supernews.com...
> B. Lafferty <Ma...@italia.org> wrote:
>
>> "Bob Schwartz" <cv...@shell.core.com> wrote in message
>> news:11dao49...@corp.supernews.com...
>>> B. Lafferty <Ma...@italia.org> wrote:
>>>> Today
>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3242,36-671812@51-627740,0.html
>>>
>>> There is nothing new here. Wtf took Le Monde so long to pick up on
>>> something that is already stale?
>>>
>>> Bob Schwartz
>>> cv...@execpc.com
>
>> As I understand it, this part is new. I don't think Anderson has
>> directely
>> called Armstrong a cheat before.:
>
> Coming from a guy that claims to have found shit in the apartment that
> he looked up and found on the WADA web site (never mind that he couldn't
> remember the correct name of the shit) I don't know that I consider that
> new.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> cv...@execpc.com
>
> Of course maybe it'll be different now that it's published in French.

Read the paragraph again in French that you snipped. There's nothing in
that paragraph about finding drugs in Armstrong's home. As I said, "I don't
think Anderson has directly called Armstrong a cheat before." I may be
incorrect as to that, but my recollection is that he has made statements of
a factual nature without the conclusion set out in that paragraph. If
that's the case, the Le Monde article has something new in it. If not, it
doesn't.


Carl Sundquist

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"Tim Mullin" <pos...@work.com> wrote in message
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> David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in
> news:vckad15slh9p2um71...@4ax.com:
>
> > I have over 400 college credit hours including 3 semesters of Spanish
> > (with 2 years in HS). Does that make me not a dumbass?
>
> No. Even if you were fluent seven or eight languages, you'd still be a
> dumbass.

Everybody knows you can become fluent in a foreign language in 6 weeks.

Pete

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Jul 13, 2005, 4:38:39 PM7/13/05
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"Donald Munro" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> David Ferguson wrote:
>> Sheesh, we have a dumbass arguing with a dumbass about a dumbass
>> posting an article on a dumbass.
>
> What's dumbass in french ?
>

I think "trou de cul" would be fairly close
Pete


Rik Van Diesel

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Jul 13, 2005, 4:57:23 PM7/13/05
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The rumor was she was cheating on Lance, and hence the split.

RVD

Donald Munro

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Jul 13, 2005, 12:46:36 PM7/13/05
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David Ferguson

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Jul 13, 2005, 1:41:48 PM7/13/05
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:01:36 GMT, Tim Mullin <pos...@work.com> wrote:

>David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in

>news:slhad1dj8gvkrit6r...@4ax.com:
>
>> dumbass-


>
>How appropriate! The mono-lingual american boob, calling someone
>multilingual a dumbass.
>

>> is this a french speaking newsgroup
>
>Oui.


The guy who mows my yard also speaks two languages. Whoopee shit.

I have over 400 college credit hours including 3 semesters of Spanish

(with 2 years in HS). Does that make me not a dumbass? Does that mean
I should start speaking Spanish in rbr?

No.

so stfu and don't encourage dumbass lafferty.

If you want to make yourself useful you could translate the article
into English.

Sheesh, we have a dumbass arguing with a dumbass about a dumbass


posting an article on a dumbass.

D
as in dumbass


B. Lafferty

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Jul 13, 2005, 11:23:51 AM7/13/05
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Today
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3242,36-671812@51-627740,0.html

Kristin Armstrong, l'ex-femme du sextuple vainqueur du Tour, l'appelait son
"H2" ("husband n° 2" , "mari n° 2"). Mécanicien, entraîneur, confident,
intendant, traducteur, jardinier, gardien, chauffeur... pendant deux ans, le
Texan Mike Anderson, 33 ans, a été l'assistant personnel de Lance Armstrong.
Les anciens "amis" s'affrontent aujourd'hui devant un tribunal d'Austin
(Texas). Le procès pourrait se tenir en décembre. Mike Anderson veut en
profiter pour "convaincre les autorités du sport que Lance Armstrong est un
tricheur" .

Comment avez-vous rencontré Lance Armstrong ?

Je l'ai rencontré alors que je travaillais dans un magasin de maintenance de
cycles, à Austin. Lance y laissait ses vélos en dehors de la saison. Je me
suis occupé de tous ses vélos pendant environ deux ans avant qu'il ne me
propose, en novembre 2002, de travailler directement pour lui. Nous avons
commencé à faire du VTT ensemble et sommes devenus amis.


Pourquoi s'est-il séparé de vos services deux ans plus tard ?

Il ne m'a jamais fourni d'explications. Pour moi, il m'a licencié pour la
découverte que j'ai faite en février 2004. Alors que je rangeais les
affaires de son ex-femme dans sa maison de Gerone (Espagne), avant son
arrivée avec Sheryl Crow, j'ai trouvé une boîte portant le nom d'un stéroïde
[androstenine] dans la salle de bains. Je n'en ai pas parlé à Armstrong
mais, juste après, notre relation s'est brusquement détériorée. Il était
évident pour moi que Lance s'était rendu compte de ma découverte. A partir
de ce jour, il a cessé de me traiter comme un ami, voire un frère, et a
commencé à nous traiter, ma femme Allison et moi, comme des domestiques.


Etes-vous sûr que le produit que vous avez trouvé dans la salle de bains
était un stéroïde ?


Je n'en ai aucun doute. J'ai une connaissance de base de la médecine. Ma
mère était infirmière. Mes sours et mes oncles travaillaient également dans
le milieu médical. J'ai grandi dans cet entourage : je sais identifier un
médicament. Et j'ai vérifié sur le site Internet de l'AMA [Agence mondiale
antidopage] : c'était un androgène appartenant à la liste des substances
interdites.


Dans votre plainte, vous mentionnez également un contrôle antidopage inopiné
auquel se serait soustrait le coureur...

L'épisode s'est passé avant le Tour 2004, en avril ou mai, à Austin. Je
reçois un appel d'un proche de Lance qui était en train d'essayer de le
localiser : il m'explique que des représentants de l'Usada [Agence
antidopage américaine] ou de l'AMA sont présents devant son ranch de
Dripping Springs pour effectuer un contrôle inopiné. Lance me disait
toujours où il se trouvait et il aurait dû être à son ranch. On m'a demandé
d'aller m'assurer que les contrôleurs étaient repartis. Ce que j'ai fait.


Selon vous, Lance Armstrong a utilisé des substances dopantes pour remporter
le Tour ?


Je n'ai aucun doute sur le fait qu'Armstrong a utilisé des produits
interdits pour gagner le Tour de France. Avant de remporter le Tour 2004,
Lance m'a tenu des propos qui sont pour moi un aveu. Nous parlions du
coureur belge Johan Museeuw, qui avait été inquiété pour avoir utilisé des
stéroïdes[il a depuis été suspendu quatre ans par sa fédération] . Armstrong
m'a regardé droit dans les yeux et m'a dit : "Tout le monde fait ça !" Il
attendait une approbation de ma part au fait que lui aussi, comme tout le
monde, prenait des stéroïdes. Armstrong a réagi très froidement quand j'ai
refusé de dire que je comprenais que tout le monde prenait des stéroïdes.
Après cet échange, il y a eu plus de distance entre nous.


Quelles étaient les relations entre Armstrong et le médecin italien Michele
Ferrari ?

Armstrong avait peur d'être aperçu avec lui. Il parlait de Ferrari comme du
"Docteur Evil" . Il ne voulait pas que la presse le voie : il me demandait
toujours d'aller le chercher à l'aéroport quand il venait à Austin ou à
Gerone. En décembre 2002, pendant un camp d'entraînement à Austin, l'équipe
était dans un hôtel du centre mais Armstrong m'avait donné l'instruction
d'aller récupérer Ferrari à l'aéroport pour l'emmener dans une chambre en
dehors de la ville pour échapper aux médias. Armstrong rencontrait aussi
Ferrari plusieurs fois par an à Gerone pour des tests, parfois avec Ekimov
ou Hincapie. En juin 2004, juste avant le Tour, ma femme a reçu un e-mail
dans lequel Armstrong écrivait : les "Tests sont bons (même Schumi est
impressionné) et nous sommes prêts pour le 6e". Schumi était le nom de code
de Michele Ferrari en référence au pilote de formule 1 Michael Schumacher.


Les avocats d'Armstrong vous accusent de vouloir lui extorquer de l'argent
sous la menace de fausses accusations...

C'est comique que cela soit eux qui m'accusent de mensonges et d'extorsion !
Jamais je n'ai essayé d'"extorquer" de l'argent à Armstrong. J'ai seulement
voulu le prendre au mot : qu'il tienne la promesse qu'il nous avait faite à
moi et à ma femme de nous aider à ouvrir un magasin de cycles. Ma conduite
envers Armstrong a toujours été loyale et correcte alors que lui m'a menacé
et insulté. Il m'a publiquement diffamé et a sali ma réputation. C'est très
dur pour moi, maintenant, à Austin, car il y a beaucoup de fans de Lance. Je
suis devenu l'ennemi public numéro 1.


A-t-on fait pression sur vous pour que vous vous taisiez ?

Lance Armstrong m'a clairement fait comprendre que, si je ne renonçais pas à
la promesse qu'il m'avait faite, ce serait "la troisième guerre mondiale" et
que je ne retrouverais plus jamais de travail dans le vélo.

Après m'avoir licencié, lui et ses représentants [Luke David LLC] ont essayé
de me forcer à signer un accord de confidentialité. Pour obtenir trois mois
de salaire d'indemnités, je devais m'engager à ne divulguer aucune
information concernant Armstrong sous peine de devoir payer un million de
dollars de pénalités : ils me demandaient d'effacer deux ans de ma vie !
Armstrong m'a appelé plusieurs fois à la maison, y compris la nuit, pour me
mettre la pression. Il me disait qu'il avait beaucoup d'argent et d'avocats
pour me faire signer. Quand j'ai refusé, ils ont réalisé que je possédais
des informations le concernant qui pouvaient être dangereuses pour eux et
m'ont attaqué en justice en m'accusant d'extorsion.


Qu'attendez-vous du procès ?


Je suis déterminé à convaincre les autorités du sport que Lance Armstrong
est un tricheur. Il ne m'a pas seulement trompé, il a trompé ma femme (avec
la fausse promesse de nous aider à ouvrir une boutique de cycles) et le
monde entier. En utilisant des produits interdits, il trompe le cyclisme et
le public. Et ce n'est pas seulement par rapport à sa carrière qu'il a
menti, mais sur tous les aspects de sa vie. Personne ne réalise qui il est.
Personne ne connaît son vrai visage. L'image diffusée par les sponsors et
les personnes qui gèrent ses intérêts ne correspond pas à la réalité.
Armstrong n'est pas un type bien. Et j'aurais préféré ne jamais le
rencontrer.


Geraard Spergen

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"Donald Munro" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.13....@invalid.invalid...

"emmerduer" is pretty close - more like "dumbshit"
"cul" is just "ass" but it also implies dumb

This from my "International Dictionary of Obscentities" by Christina
Kunitskaya-Peterson.


David Ferguson

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Jul 13, 2005, 12:52:40 PM7/13/05
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dumbass-

is this a french speaking newsgroup

thanks,
D


On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:23:51 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <Ma...@Italia.org>
wrote:

>Today

David Ferguson

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Donald Munro

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Donald Munro wrote:
>> What's dumbass in french ?

Geraard Spergen wrote:
> "emmerduer" is pretty close - more like "dumbshit"
> "cul" is just "ass" but it also implies dumb
>
> This from my "International Dictionary of Obscentities" by Christina
> Kunitskaya-Peterson.

Thanks. Who said rbr isn't educational.

Now all we need to know (for kurgan/chang) is what is 'head up your ass'
in french.

Mad Dog

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Jul 13, 2005, 5:19:06 PM7/13/05
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Donald Munro says...

>Now all we need to know (for kurgan/chang) is what is 'head up your ass'
>in french.

That would be "Turdgun", er, I mean "Kurgan".

Tim Mullin

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David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in
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> I have over 400 college credit hours including 3 semesters of Spanish
> (with 2 years in HS). Does that make me not a dumbass?

No. Even if you were fluent seven or eight languages, you'd still be a
dumbass.

Sandy

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David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> dumbass-
>
> is this a french speaking newsgroup
>
> thanks,
> D
>
Yes !
--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine
*******

La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
-- Einstein, A.


Tim Mullin

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David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in
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> dumbass-

How appropriate! The mono-lingual american boob, calling someone
multilingual a dumbass.

> is this a french speaking newsgroup

Oui.

David Ferguson

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Exactly, so your statement of "How appropriate! The mono-lingual
american boob, calling someone multilingual a dumbass." was completely
pointless.

dumbass.

D

psycholist

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"Donald Munro" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Le dumbass

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)


David Ferguson

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Lafferty

David Ferguson

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Sandy

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Dans le message de news:s9kad1h6e191b0tna...@4ax.com,

David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

??, ???????, ?? ? ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????? ???????? !

? ???? ???? ?????, ??? Yesssss o???? ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????.

À +
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Vreneuil-sur-Seine FR


Eric Hill

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Jul 13, 2005, 3:01:00 PM7/13/05
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alex wrote:
> Can anybody post here the creation charter of this group. I would like to
> see where it is written that there is any official language.

I think the existence of fr.rec.sport.cyclisme might prove germane.

-e

David Ferguson

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:01:00 GMT, Eric Hill <er...@synthesizer.org>
wrote:


I don't think there is any "official language" for rbr. But if 99.99%
of the posts are in english it's an "unspoken fact".

But that's not the point.

The point is that Bob knows most people here can't read french. But
EVERYONE knows that when he posts in french it's about Armstrong and
drugs.

Bob is just being a dumbass. There is nothing wrong with speaking
french on here or anywhere else. It's just when Bob does it to be a
dumbass.

D

Mark & Steven Bornfeld

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Jul 13, 2005, 3:36:06 PM7/13/05
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David Ferguson wrote:


Why do stop signs in France say "Stop" but in Quebec they say "Arret"?

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Sandy

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Dans le message de news:MxdBe.4070$p%3.2...@typhoon.sonic.net,
Eric Hill <er...@synthesizer.org> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
To what ? Monolithic quasi-culture ?

Bob Schwartz

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alex

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Can anybody post here the creation charter of this group. I would like to
see where it is written that there is any official language.

"David Ferguson" <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in message
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Jaybee

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Jul 13, 2005, 2:13:34 PM7/13/05
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B. Lafferty wrote:
> Today
> http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3242,36-671812@51-627740,0.html
>
snipped
>
>
I wanted to know what it said anyway: Babelfish is pretty crude. Substitute He or
His for It or Its in many cases:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Kristin Armstrong, the ex-wife of the victorious sextuple of the Turn, called it its
"H2" ("husband n° 2", "husband n° 2"). Mechanic, trainer, confidant, intendant,
translator, gardener, guard, driver... during two years, Texan Mike Anderson, 33
years, were the personal assistant of Lance Armstrong. The former "friends" clash

today in front of a court of Austin (Texas). The lawsuit could be held in December.
Mike Anderson wants to benefit from it "to convince the authorities of the sport
that Lance Armstrong is a cheater". How did you meet Lance Armstrong? I met it
whereas I worked in a store of maintenance of cycles, in Austin. Launch left its
bicycles apart from the season there. I occupied myself of all his bicycles during
approximately two years before it does not propose to me, in November 2002, to work
directly for him. We started to make VTT together and became friendly. Why did it
separate from your services two years later? It never provided me explanations. For
me, it laid off me for the discovery which I made in February 2004. Whereas I
arranged the businesses of his ex-wife in his house of Gerone (Spain), before his
arrival with Sheryl Crow, I found a box bearing the name of a steroid [ androstenine
] in the bathroom. I did not speak to Armstrong about it but, just after, our
relation abruptly worsened. It was obvious for me which Lance had realised of my
discovery. From this day, it ceased treating me like a friend, even a brother, and
started to treat us, my Allison wife and me, like servants. Sure Etes you that the
product that you found in the bathroom was a steroid? I do not have any doubt of it.
I have a basic knowledge of medicine. My mother was a nurse. My sours and my uncles
also worked in the medical environment. I grew in this entourage: I can identify a
drug. And I checked on Internet site of the AMA [ world Agency antidopage ]: it was
an androgen pertaining to the list of the prohibited substances. In your complaint,
you also mention an unexpected control antidopage from which the runner would have
been withdrawn... The episode occurred before the Turn 2004, in April or May, in
Austin. I receive a call of a close relation of Lance which was trying to locate it:
it explains me why representatives of Usada [ American Agency antidopage ] or of the
AMA are present in front of its ranch of Dripping Springs to carry out an unexpected
control. Launch always said to me where it was and it should have been with its
ranch. One asked me to go to ensure me that the controllers had set out again. What
I did. According to you, Lance Armstrong used doping substances to gain the Turn? I
do not have any doubt about the fact that Armstrong used products prohibited to gain
the Turn of France. Before gaining the Turn 2004, Lance held me of the remarks which
are for me a consent. We spoke about the Belgian runner Johan Museeuw, which had
been worried to have used stéroïdes[il has for summer suspended four years by its
federation ]. Armstrong looked at me right in the eyes and said to me: "Everyone
done that!" It awaited an approval of my share to the fact that him also, as
everyone, took steroids. Armstrong reacted very coldly when I refused to say that I
understood that everyone took steroids. After this exchange, there was more distance
between us. Which were the relations between Armstrong and the Italian doctor
Michele Ferrari? Armstrong was afraid to be seen with him. It spoke about Ferrari
like "Doctor Evil". It did not want only the press sees it: it always asked me to go
to seek it with the airport when it came to Austin or Gerone. In December 2002,
during a camp of drive in Austin, the team was in a hotel of the center but
Armstrong had given me the instruction to go to recover Ferrari with the airport to
take it along in a room apart from the city to escape from the media. Armstrong met
also Ferrari several times per annum at Gerone for tests, sometimes with Ekimov or
Hincapie. June 2004, right before the Turn, my wife received an e-mail in which
Armstrong wrote: the "Tests are good (even Schumi is impressed) and we are ready for
6th". Schumi was the code name of Michele Ferrari in reference to the pilot of
formula 1 Michael Schumacher. The lawyers of Armstrong show you to want to extort to
him money under the threat of false charges... It is comic which that is them which
show me of lies and extortion! Never I tested "extorquer" of the money with
Armstrong. I only wanted to take it with the word: that it holds the promise that it
had made us with me and with my wife to help us to open a cycle shop. My control
towards Armstrong was always honest and correct whereas threatened me to him and
insulted. It publicly defamed me and dirtied my reputation. It is very hard for me,
now, in Austin, because there are many fans of Lance. I became the public enemy
number 1. Did one make pressure on you so that you keep silent yourselves? Lance
Armstrong me has clearly made to include/understand that, if I did not renonçais
with the promise that it had made me, it would be "the third world war" and that I
would find never again of work in the bicycle. After me to have laid off, him and
its representatives [ Luke David LLC ] tried to force me to sign an agreement of
confidentiality. To obtain three months of wages of allowances, I was to urge me not
to reveal any information concerning Armstrong under penalty of having to pay a
million dollars of penalties: they asked me to erase two years of my life! Armstrong
called me several times at the house, including the night, to put the pressure to
me. It said to me that it had many money and lawyers to make me sign. When I
refused, they realized that I had information relating to it which could be
dangerous for them and attacked me in justice by showing me of extortion. What do
you await lawsuit? I am determined to convince the authorities of the sport that
Lance Armstrong is a cheater. He did not only mislead me, he misled my wife (with
the empty promise to help us to open a shop of cycles) and the whole world. By using
prohibited products, it misleads cycling and the public. And it is not only compared
to its career that it lied, but on all the aspects of its life. Nobody realizes who
it is. Nobody knows his true face. The image diffused by the sponsors and the people
who manage her interests does not correspond to reality. Armstrong is not a type
well. And I would have preferred never to meet it.

Mark & Steven Bornfeld

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Jul 13, 2005, 3:34:09 PM7/13/05
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David Ferguson wrote:

> dumbass-
>
> is this a french speaking newsgroup
>
> thanks,
> D

Let me break out the good parts:

Sheryl Crow...notre relation s'est brusquement détériorée

stéroïde

la médecine

un androgène

ranch de
>>Dripping Springs


Je n'ai aucun doute sur le fait qu'Armstrong a utilisé des produits
>>interdits pour gagner le Tour de France.

Docteur Evil

l'ennemi public numéro 1

m'accusant d'extorsion

Basically,


Armstrong n'est pas un type bien

eh bien?

Sandy

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Jul 13, 2005, 4:00:03 PM7/13/05
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Dans le message de news:v5lad1htl1rhnklt9...@4ax.com,
David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
I think we are all excited that you read and understood that much.
Monolingual, you should appreciate, was offered as an overstament.

Fred

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Jul 13, 2005, 3:46:16 PM7/13/05
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"Bob Schwartz" <cv...@shell.core.com> wrote in message
news:11dao49...@corp.supernews.com...
> B. Lafferty <Ma...@italia.org> wrote:
> > Today
> >
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3242,36-671812@51-627740,0.html
>
> There is nothing new here. Wtf took Le Monde so long to pick up on
> something that is already stale?
>
> Bob Schwartz
> cv...@execpc.com

Because the Tour is happening.


Stewart Fleming

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Jul 13, 2005, 3:55:31 PM7/13/05
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Geraard Spergen wrote:


> This from my "International Dictionary of Obscentities" by Christina
> Kunitskaya-Peterson.

Did she get tenure?

David Ferguson

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Jul 13, 2005, 4:46:28 PM7/13/05
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:41:53 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfe...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:

> Today we're all named Bob.
>
>Bob.


Then today is a good day to be hit in the face with a shovel.

D
aka Bob

Mark & Steven Bornfeld

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Jul 13, 2005, 3:41:53 PM7/13/05
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David Ferguson wrote:

Today we're all named Bob.

Bob.

--

Bob Schwartz

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Jul 13, 2005, 2:42:17 PM7/13/05
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David Ferguson

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Jul 13, 2005, 4:42:05 PM7/13/05
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Got it.

Le Doper

What's knew.

Stewart Fleming

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Jul 13, 2005, 3:54:43 PM7/13/05
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Donald Munro wrote:

> David Ferguson wrote:
>
>>Sheesh, we have a dumbass arguing with a dumbass about a dumbass
>>posting an article on a dumbass.
>
>
> What's dumbass in french ?
>

Alexandre.

David Ferguson

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Jul 13, 2005, 4:41:41 PM7/13/05
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:36:06 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfe...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:

>David Ferguson wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:25:42 +0200, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dans le message de news:slhad1dj8gvkrit6r...@4ax.com,
>>
>>
>>>Yes !
>>
>>
>>
>> That's English, dumbass.
>
>
> Why do stop signs in France say "Stop" but in Quebec they say "Arret"?
>
>Steve

Becuase French Canadians take "dumbass" to a level that is untouchable
by the rest of the world.


B. Lafferty

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Jul 13, 2005, 3:02:51 PM7/13/05
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"Bob Schwartz" <cv...@shell.core.com> wrote in message
news:11dao49...@corp.supernews.com...

As I understand it, this part is new. I don't think Anderson has directely

called Armstrong a cheat before.:

Je suis déterminé à convaincre les autorités du sport que Lance Armstrong

Tom Kunich

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Jul 13, 2005, 11:08:19 PM7/13/05
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"Donald Munro" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.13....@invalid.invalid...
> David Ferguson wrote:
>> Sheesh, we have a dumbass arguing with a dumbass about a dumbass
>> posting an article on a dumbass.
>
> What's dumbass in french ?

Brian Lafferty.


Tom Kunich

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Jul 13, 2005, 11:07:56 PM7/13/05
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David, you forget that Brian is a lawyer. So not only does he not know any
better than to cut and paste a French article from Le Monde, but he really
doesn't much care. He doesn't know what it means anyway.

"David Ferguson" <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in message
news:vckad15slh9p2um71...@4ax.com...

Tim Mullin

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Jul 14, 2005, 1:07:26 AM7/14/05
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David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in
news:v5lad1htl1rhnklt9...@4ax.com:

> Exactly, so your statement of "How appropriate! The mono-lingual
> american boob, calling someone multilingual a dumbass." was completely
> pointless.

I stand corrected. So let me restate it more accurately.

How ironic, a bilingual, but xenophobic, american boob, calling someone
multilingual a dumbass.

Is that better?

David Ferguson

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Jul 14, 2005, 7:12:53 AM7/14/05
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Yes, thank you.

That's much better.

Love Always,
Fredly Clueless Noob Sissy Bitch Bilingual Zenophobic American Boob
Dumbass.

Tim Mullin

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Jul 14, 2005, 8:44:53 AM7/14/05
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David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in
news:v3icd1t9v5agdu8d4...@4ax.com:

> Fredly Clueless Noob Sissy Bitch Bilingual Zenophobic American Boob

^^^
Afraid of buddhists too?

David Ferguson

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Jul 14, 2005, 11:58:56 AM7/14/05
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I'm a Daoist, so not really.

D

ronaldo_jeremiah

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Jul 14, 2005, 12:12:45 PM7/14/05
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Don't forget 'poor speller.'

-RJ

Morten Reippuert Knudsen

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Jul 18, 2005, 5:52:19 PM7/18/05
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David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote:

> No failed drug tests. What is a person to do.

Are you trying to tell us that Riis was clean in 1996?

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

PowerMac G5: 1.6GHz, 1.25GB RAM, 300+300GB SATA, 8xDVD+/-RW, Bluetooth
mus + tastatur, R9600PRO, iSight, eyeTV200 & LaCie Photon18Vision TFT

David Ferguson

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Jul 19, 2005, 12:52:24 PM7/19/05
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:52:19 +0200, Morten Reippuert
Knudsen<sp...@reippuert.dk> wrote:

>David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote:
>
>> No failed drug tests. What is a person to do.
>
>Are you trying to tell us that Riis was clean in 1996?


Dumbass.

Were they doing the same testing then that they're doing now?

We're talking about Armstrong in this era. Not Riis 9 years ago.

And since you can't prove a negative we'll never know for sure. Now
will we?

D

Morten Reippuert Knudsen

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Jul 22, 2005, 4:15:21 AM7/22/05
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David Ferguson <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote:

>> >> No failed drug tests. What is a person to do.
> >
> >Are you trying to tell us that Riis was clean in 1996?
>

> Were they doing the same testing then that they're doing now?

No. Do the dopers and their doctors have more knowlagde on how to use
doping today? Shure...

10 years ago they took huge amounts of EPO wich wasn't traceable,
today they use small dosis which is only traceable for 6 days and
gain the same or even better effect, when used the right way.
Secondly there are even more advanced medicine available today like
artificial EPO, genetic therapy and proberbly stuff we don't even know
about.

Do you know Armstrong's hematocrit level? Have you seen his medcine card?

> We're talking about Armstrong in this era. Not Riis 9 years ago.

shure - do you think Armstrong was clean in the "happy old days"
before cancer and before the Festina scandal?

> And since you can't prove a negative we'll never know for sure. Now
> will we?

No... but you and Armstrongs argument is just as stupid as Riis's back
in 98 where he said: "I have never tested positive" when asked about
weather he was using doping.

Did Müsseuw ever test positive durring the Armstrong era? No! but we
now know he was dopped durring the era. Did Vandenbruke test positive?
Did Rumsas? Who in this eras peloton do you think would have access in
the most advanced medicine? Simioni or Armstrong?

David Ferguson

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Jul 22, 2005, 7:09:15 AM7/22/05
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Like I said, if you can't prove it, you don't know.

Tom Kunich

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Jul 22, 2005, 10:22:29 PM7/22/05
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"David Ferguson" <Zeds_...@yahooremove.com> wrote in message
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>
> Like I said, if you can't prove it, you don't know.

We KNOW that there really is black magic. Haven't you read Harry Potter?


Michael Press

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Jul 23, 2005, 2:29:59 AM7/23/05
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In article <phm6r2-...@G5.reippuert.dk>,

Morten Reippuert Knudsen<sp...@reippuert.dk> wrote:

It's fair cop. Armstrong is using super-dope that will evade
detection in all his stored blood samples for years to come.

--
Michael Press

Kyle Legate

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Jul 24, 2005, 4:46:11 AM7/24/05
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
>
>
> 10 years ago they took huge amounts of EPO wich wasn't traceable,
> today they use small dosis which is only traceable for 6 days and
> gain the same or even better effect, when used the right way.
> Secondly there are even more advanced medicine available today like
> artificial EPO, genetic therapy and proberbly stuff we don't even know
> about.
>
What genetic therapy are you referring to?

Dan Gregory

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Jul 24, 2005, 12:38:53 PM7/24/05
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Michael Press wrote:


> It's fair cop. Armstrong is using super-dope that will evade
> detection in all his stored blood samples for years to come.
>

Where is La Jolla by the way?
:-))

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