Over/under
Fred
before we see a thread that Lafferty responds to that does not include
any messages from him in which he personally insults whoever he is
responding to. Every stinking post from him includes, or in some
cases is limited to, him belittling someone or calling names.
Has anyone ever met him IRL? If so, how'd you resist the urge to just
bitch slap the attitude right out of him?
Fred
DA74
I think the problem is that some of you fucktards just don't like him
and automatically want to get into it with him. I think he's provided
some excellent links and analyses pertaining to Floydgate.
Amit Ghosh
> I think the problem is that some of you fucktards just don't like him
> and automatically want to get into it with him. I think he's provided
> some excellent links and analyses pertaining to Floydgate.
dumbass,
lafferty is too obsessed with armstong to be objective. he didn't
suggest adam bergman could be charged with fraud after testing
positive.
Fred
I think the reason (or, one of the reasons) folks don't like him is
that he insults/attacks/belittles in nearly every single post. He
strikes me as either very bitter or very narcissistic. His analysis
may be spot on, but he's still an ass.
Fred
DA74
Did you ever think that maybe it's a matter of you fucktards being too
obsessed with Lafferty to be objective?
B. Lafferty
B. Lafferty
Thank you.
K. Fred Gauss
> I think the problem is that some of you fucktards just don't like him
> and automatically want to get into it with him.
Lafferty's predicted courtroom losses and public humilation for LA every
year for the last decade. When someone is that frequently, loudly,
insultingly and annoyingly wrong there are predictable consequences.
Dear Crabby
9f1dcf63-0ecf-4da6...@s4g2000prh.googlegroups.com, "DA74"
<davida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You mean kinda like Kunich?
--D-y
No doubt informed. It might sound funny to call Lance Armstrong a
scapegoat, but Lafferty and a few others are serious about blaming LA
for what-- being one of the most successful dopers (when everyone is
doping). What was the latest-- "ruined the last ten years of racing".
Jeeze, all by himself? <g>
The personal attack thing that has bothered me and I've asked several
times "what is the problem here" without to my memory getting a "good
answer". I think BL did say something about "arrogance" once and that
is a common complaint IRT Armstrong.
It's making the riders into scapegoats that, to me, is the most
objectionable part of this. That seems to be OK with Brian-- "do the
crime, do the time", I guess. That forgets "Lead us not into
temptation"-- if you might remember an exchange where Brian celebrated
the high-ups in Wada (and other) celebrating with brandy and cigars as
another athlete took the fall. There's just a whole lot wrong with
that in my book.
--D-y
DA74
>
> - Show quoted text -
Floyd said that nobody asked him to dope. He just saw that he had to
do it if he wanted to advance in the game. The honest riders just say
no and ride in domestic obscurity / poverty or go get real jobs. In
the end it is the fault of the rider.
-DA74
Steve Freides
I've got chunks of guy tougher than Lafferty in my stool. To assume
that any of us care about him, one way or the other, is to assume facts
not in evidence, IMHO.
-S-
DA74
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bro, IMHO I think this is more a matter of you having chunks of stool
in your head.
-DA74
GoneBeforeMyTime
I've always known Laff to be civil unless you want to jerk his chain, and
then he retaliates. Otherwise he makes good points and provides interesting
links. However, correct, when this Lance-Landis thing is over, he will
likely retire from rbr. The Lance files have got to be the longest running
case Laff has ever looked into. X-Files is longer though I think.
--D-y
While the owners/operators smoke their cigars and drink brandy.
No thanks.
--D-y
Anton Berlin
Now THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED DA74.
The catalog of research on moral breeches would think you retarded
also, the environment, certain situations can change anyone's values
or morals.
Read Buss
http://www.amazon.com/Murderer-Next-Door-Mind-Designed/dp/1594200432
or Shermer (yes the ex-RAAM rider)
http://www.amazon.com/Science-Good-Evil-People-Gossip/dp/0805075208
and cease spouting your moronic uninformed opinions
Anton Berlin
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wouldn't you have to swallow 'chunks of guy' before you could crap
'chunks of guy' ? Strange confession Friedes.
DA74
Fuckface, It wasn't a moral judgement. It is a simple fact. Riders
dope of their own free will. They choose to operate in the environment
of professional cycling where the situation has values that are not
aligned with those written in the rules set forth by the UCI.
You're Welcome,
-DA74
PS
Breach:
1. a. An opening, a tear, or a rupture.
2. A violation or infraction, as of a law, a legal obligation, or a
promise.
3. A breaking up or disruption of friendly relations; an estrangement.
Breech:
1. The lower rear portion of the human trunk; the buttocks.
2. Where retards like Anton insert their heads when posting while
drinking
Steve Freides
Wow, good one.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/3531/saturday-night-live-the-sinatra-group but
you'll have to watch until right near the end.
-S-
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
If you'd been around rbr for 15 years, you'd have a different opinion.
Laff is about as far away from objective as one can get. He's posted
some weird shit over the years.
One of the weirdest was when he started freaking out about LANCE's mom
getting interviewed at the Olympics. Tried to get us to join him in an
email writing campaign in protest. Fucking whacked out.
People like that are almost always losers. One can't spend that much
emotional energy on crap like that and be successful in one's non-
Usenet life. IMHO.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Fuckface, It wasn't a moral judgement. It is a simple fact. Riders
> dope of their own free will.
<snip>
Dumbass -
That's true, but what Anton writes is somewhat true also. Peer
pressure can be a powerful effect.
One difference between me and you two is I don't see it as that
morally objectionable. The great majority of people in everyday
mainstream society are doping up in one way or another. Cyclists
aren't committing some great evil when they dope. They're breaking the
rules of cycling. Big deal. They get caught, they get punished or they
get away with it. Who cares? It's not like they're pedophiles or
rapists or murderers.
H. Fred Kveck
DA74 <davida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're forgetting: short pants covering the hips and thighs and fitting snugly at
the lower edges at or just below the knee
I'm not sure how those'd be considered "moral."
DA74
Kurgobro,
I didn't say it was morally objectionable to me personally. I don't
really have a problem with it at all. I do find it fascinating that
they will put all these things into their bodies (especially Actovegin
- that boggles my mind). I think the vast majority of American society
dopes in some form or another whether it be sugar, caffeine, alcohol,
prescription drugs, "illicit" drugs etc. Furthermore I think it's all
completely normal human behavior and whether or not it's acceptable or
moral is a whole other issue.
We're in agreement here. Cyclists are merely breaking rules when they
dope - the UCI's and the rules of society. But it's fucking
entertainment so yeah, who cares?
-DA74
Fredmaster of Brainerd
What, like there have been for Paul Wolfowitz? Is he going
to start posting to rbr too?
Fredmaster Ben
Betty Munro
>> Lafferty's predicted courtroom losses and public humilation for LA every
>> year for the last decade. When someone is that frequently, loudly,
>> insultingly and annoyingly wrong there are predictable consequences.
Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> What, like there have been for Paul Wolfowitz? Is he going
> to start posting to rbr too?
SchwartzSoft vaporware.
cur...@the-md-russells.org
<Fa...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>I've always known Laff to be civil unless you want to jerk his chain, and
>then he retaliates. Otherwise he makes good points and provides interesting
>links. However, correct, when this Lance-Landis thing is over, he will
>likely retire from rbr. The Lance files have got to be the longest running
>case Laff has ever looked into. X-Files is longer though I think.
Even Kunich has admitted to mistakes. The closest BL comes to
admitting a mistake is to change the subject. Probably why I have
about ten times more respect for Tom than I will ever have for BL.
And, yeah, I admit to mistakes. I've been married for 25 years - I
have no choice.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
cur...@the-md-russells.org
<YOURh...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>You're forgetting: short pants covering the hips and thighs and fitting snugly at
>the lower edges at or just below the knee
>
> I'm not sure how those'd be considered "moral."
Do them in white and Lycra, they can be downright embarrassing.
Brad Anders
> The personal attack thing that has bothered me and I've asked several
> times "what is the problem here" without to my memory getting a "good
> answer". I think BL did say something about "arrogance" once and that
> is a common complaint IRT Armstrong.
I asked what the issue was yesterday and didn't get any response. It's
obvious BL has a fixation on Lance. I don't see how Lance is any
different from any other top men's cycling pro, he's doing what's
required to be competitive. Hell, he's not even winning these days.
Brad Anders
B. Lafferty
times when discussing historical matters regarding riders and teams.
Davey has corrected my mistakes on more than one occasion. It's
occurred at other times as well.
rbr would be much more enjoyable and informative with out all the
personal invective. And Gone is right, I don't attack unless attacked.
Carry on.
Anton Berlin
The OTC coaches are the pedophiles. Not the cyclists. 100% agreement!
Brad Anders
> I didn't say it was morally objectionable to me personally. I don't
> really have a problem with it at all. I do find it fascinating that
> they will put all these things into their bodies (especially Actovegin
> - that boggles my mind).
People pop piles of OTC supplements with unknown ingredients, unknown
manufacturing processes, unknown contaminants, and are essentially
unregulated and unmonitored. At least Actovegin is made under some
supervision.
Brad Anders
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
lol!
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
I'd like to add one thing. I can understand it if you guys are pissed
off if you personally lost some race/races to dopers and you might
have won if they were clean. Basically, you got beat because someone
was cheating. When you put that much time and energy into that
lifestyle, it's gotta suck to have your goals put out of reach by
cheaters and I get that.
In the fastest races where I personally was actually in contention,
there were probably never more than a few guys who were doping so I
don't feel cheated and therefore I don't have the moral outrage. As a
spectator, I have no outrage at all. I just want a good show.
DA74
Yes Brad, people do pop piles of all kinds of things.
I just happen to find the intravenous injection of a deproteinized
hemoderivative of calf's blood in the hopes it stimulates glucose
transport and oxygen uptake in hypoxic tissues so someone may or may
not be able to ride their bike faster a bit over the top.
But then again, I'm fucking insane.
-DA74
Fred Flintstein
> Actually, I have admitted to mistakes. That has happened a couple of
> times when discussing historical matters regarding riders and teams.
> Davey has corrected my mistakes on more than one occasion. It's occurred
> at other times as well.
>
> rbr would be much more enjoyable and informative with out all the
> personal invective. And Gone is right, I don't attack unless attacked.
>
> Carry on.
Hey, aren't you the guy that thought the feds would be
coming after flandis for hacking the French lab's
computer?
Fred Flintstein
Betty Munro
> In article <c6829065-48e9-4ecd...@32g2000prq.googlegroups.com>,
> DA74 <davida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 26, 7:26 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > In the end it is the fault of the rider.
>>>
>>> Now THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED DA74.
>>>
>>> The catalog of research on moral breeches would think you retarded
>>> also, the environment, certain situations can change anyone's values
>>> or morals.
>>>
>>> Read Buss
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Murderer-Next-Door-Mind-Designed/dp/1594200432
>>>
>>> or Shermer (yes the ex-RAAM rider)
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Science-Good-Evil-People-Gossip/dp/0805075208
>>>
>>> and cease spouting your moronic uninformed opinions
>>
>> Fuckface, It wasn't a moral judgement. It is a simple fact. Riders
>> dope of their own free will. They choose to operate in the environment
>> of professional cycling where the situation has values that are not
>> aligned with those written in the rules set forth by the UCI.
>>
>> You're Welcome,
>> PS
>> Breach:
>> 1. a. An opening, a tear, or a rupture.
>> 2. A violation or infraction, as of a law, a legal obligation, or a
>> promise.
>> 3. A breaking up or disruption of friendly relations; an estrangement.
>>
>> Breech:
>> 1. The lower rear portion of the human trunk; the buttocks.
>> 2. Where retards like Anton insert their heads when posting while
>> drinking
H. Fred Kveck wrote:
> You're forgetting: short pants covering the hips and thighs and fitting snugly at
> the lower edges at or just below the knee
>
> I'm not sure how those'd be considered "moral."
Moral breeches might be the male equivalent of chastity belts. They
could be designed to give you a ball squeeze when you get a hard on for
example.
Betty Munro
> I just happen to find the intravenous injection of a deproteinized
> hemoderivative of calf's blood in the hopes it stimulates glucose
> transport and oxygen uptake in hypoxic tissues so someone may or may
> not be able to ride their bike faster a bit over the top.
LANCE must have got mad cow disease which should make him feel at home
when he returns to Texas.
z, fred
In the context in which you mean it (not literally as paedophiles), Mark
Hodges has been gone for over 20 years. It's time for you to move on.
cur...@the-md-russells.org
<davida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Yes Brad, people do pop piles of all kinds of things.
>
> I just happen to find the intravenous injection of a deproteinized
>hemoderivative of calf's blood in the hopes it stimulates glucose
>transport and oxygen uptake in hypoxic tissues so someone may or may
>not be able to ride their bike faster a bit over the top.
>
>But then again, I'm fucking insane.
>-DA74
Slow down there. The two could be unrelated phenomena.
Anton Berlin
>
> - Show quoted text -
He left town in the Fatmobile.
da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da dada da da da da da da da
FATMAN!
cur...@the-md-russells.org
Gringioni." <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In the fastest races where I personally was actually in contention,
>there were probably never more than a few guys who were doping
After carefully going through my memory, I have to say that there were
probably no racers that doped in the citizens races. After that, it
would have required wholesale doping DQs to bring me close to the
front.
I was close enough to see some great finishes though, if I had the
strength to sit up at that point.
K. Fred Gauss
That's a great analogy on a couple levels. In particular, the
consequences don't cause anyone to shut up.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
<Some...@Somewhere.You.Dont.Wanna.Be> wrote:
> DA74 wrote:
> > I think the problem is that some of you fucktards just don't like him
> > and automatically want to get into it with him.
>
> Lafferty's predicted courtroom losses and public humilation for LA every
> year for the last decade. When someone is that frequently, loudly,
> insultingly and annoyingly wrong there are predictable consequences.
Nice summation.
B. Lafferty
when is was discussed.
B. Lafferty
> DA74 wrote:
>
>> I think the problem is that some of you fucktards just don't like him
>> and automatically want to get into it with him.
>
> Lafferty's predicted courtroom losses and public humilation for LA every
> year for the last decade. When someone is that frequently, loudly,
> insultingly and annoyingly wrong there are predictable consequences.
legal possibilities, but not predicting outcomes.
As for being wrong, I've been pointing to an increasing doping problem
in the pro ranks here on Usenet since 1994. Back then I was met with
near total denial. But, I was on the money. So, put your head back up
your ass and remain ignorant.
Fred Flintstein
Dude, aren't you the guy that said that LANCE would be
finished once Walsh's book was published in English?
Fred Flintstein
A. Dumas Fred
> rbr would be much more enjoyable and informative with out all the
> personal invective.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
dave a
I didn't realize that Usenet had pro ranks. I do, however, totally
agree with you that there are more dopes on Usenet than ever.
K. Fred Gauss
> Please produce any of those alleged "predictions."
B. Lafferty wrote:
Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis
have indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same
for Armstrong. No blood or urine samples of Landis have come up with
EPO in them. Can't say that for Armstrong. Landis' climbing wattages
(and those of the other Tour riders this year in the absence of
Armstrong, Basso and Ullrich) are at levels not consistent with EPO
usage/blood doping.
Scott
>
> rbr would be much more enjoyable and informative with out all the
> personal invective. And Gone is right, I don't attack unless attacked.
>
> Carry on.
so, what you're saying is that rbr would be better if you stop
posting??? You can't post w/out 'personal invective',
Frederick the Great
<dc18b1f0-8470-4332...@t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com>,
DA74 <davida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 26, 4:01 pm, Fred <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > sort of. I think we should start a betting pool to see how long
> > before we see a thread that Lafferty responds to that does not include
> > any messages from him in which he personally insults whoever he is
> > responding to. Every stinking post from him includes, or in some
> > cases is limited to, him belittling someone or calling names.
> >
> > Has anyone ever met him IRL? If so, how'd you resist the urge to just
> > bitch slap the attitude right out of him?
> >
> > Fred
>
> I think the problem is that some of you fucktards just don't like him
He started it.
--
Old Fritz
Betty Munro
> As for being wrong, I've been pointing to an increasing doping problem
> in the pro ranks here on Usenet since 1994. Back then I was met with
> near total denial. But, I was on the money. So, put your head back up
> your ass and remain ignorant.
Dumbass,
Its not that we (most of us anyway) don't know, its just that we don't care.