For all of the Lance Apologists
Anton Berlin
Good evidence he doesn't dope.
This is what normal undoped humans expereince - good days and bad days
- just like your non-doped self on club rides with friends.
Now compare that reality with Lance's streak. Or Indurains for that
matter. Not just consecutive days but consecutive years.
It's just something humans don't do - not in any sport.
Except maybe that russian greco roman wrestler.
Brad Anders
So, what's your interpretation of Contador and Schleck's performances
today?
Brad Anders
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Good evidence he doesn't dope.
>
> This is what normal undoped humans expereince - good days and bad days
> - just like your non-doped self on club rides with friends.
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Dumbass -
I disagree with the idea that doping prevents a doper from having good
and bad days. That's an absurd notion. It's like saying that people
who take anti-depressives are emotional rocks, people who caffeinate
never suffer from demotivation, or cialis takers have perpetual
erections.
In sport, athletes who take performance enhancing dope have good and
bad days, but both the good days and bad days will be at a higher
level of performance.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Phil H
So what you are saying is a poor performance is not good evidence of
not doping. I agree.
Phil H
Anton Berlin
Henry - I disagree - doping would smooth out those variations and of
course at a higher level just as lithium takes the manic depressive
and makes them "OK" all of the time.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fractured-elbow-shatters-tour-hopes-for-evans
Does this change the interpretation any? Or can we
still assume that Evans's performance shows he
wasn't doped, because if he was doped he would have
ridden like Tugboat's dad when he broke his shoulder
and not lost so much time? And that Armstrong's
streak of unbroken bones during his Tour run was
clearly a sign of performance enhancement?
Often, when you're sure of something, every incident
becomes evidence of it. This is sometimes called
confirmation bias, but in RBR it is known as
Laffertiasis.
Freddoctor Ben
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
Evidence: Floyd Landis, Tour de France stage 16.
Followed by his miraculous ride in stage 17.
Those aren't good and bad days? And Floyd wasn't doped?
I rest my case.
--D-y
Stage 16: not enough dope.
Stage 17: too much dope.
--D-y
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
Both you and Anton's view of doping is very simplistic. The medical
profession does not fully understand how the human body works. There
are aspects of performance which they can affect with drugs, but there
are other aspects which are beyond their control. They lack the
knowledge. They also lack the ability, in a moving caravan like the
TdF, to have the ability to fully monitor the health of a rider.
AFAIK, no team has a mobile hospital lab following it around.
There are also simple aspects which are well understood, but are
outside the influence of a drug regimen. Examples: bonking and
dehydration. If either one of those happens to a racer (and they do),
being doped up doesn't help. The racer still has the bad day.
If a rider avoids bonking and rides consistently, it doesn't mean he's
doped. In contrast, if a rider bonks and has a bad day, it doesn't
mean he isn't doped.
Chuckie
> See what happened to Cadel Evans today?
>
> Good evidence he doesn't dope.
>
> This is what normal undoped humans expereince - good days and bad days
and broken arms days and not broken arm days...
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/07/news/cadel-evans-lost-yellow-jersey-with-fractured-elbow_128607
now for the evidence that people are dumbasses who build, pilot, fuel
and leap from any distance onto any bandwagon playing their tune -
thanks for adding to the mountain range of evidence.
Brad Anders
More evidence from the past: Berzin.
Brad Anders
K. Fred Gauss
The patient will reject this diagnosis.
H. Fred Kveck
Anton Berlin <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, it doesn't. Anti-depressants are designed to allow the patient to continue to
have ups and downs - it's just that the entire mood spectrum is elevated. The purpose
isn't to make the patient have a completely flat emotional range.
--D-y
Dear Dumbass:
I forgot to <g>. Well, actually, <g>, emoticons, "text me" and
speaking in your outside voice have all been forbidden by the Patron.
(<g>)
Looks like Cadel got both hurt *and* bonked, for instance.
Sincerely,
D-y
Fred Flintstein
> Dumbass -
>
> Both you and Anton's view of doping is very simplistic.
My assumption has always been that Anton is trolling.
Just sayin'.
Fred Flintstein
Anton Berlin
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> - Show quoted text -
Agreed.
Anton Berlin
wrote:
> In article <5129988e-c267-4eb3-8658-a36a0d39c...@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
I didn't cite anti-depressants - I wrote lithium - well known for flat
lining emotions
Anton Berlin
It turns out to be a bad empriical example but I think the concept
remains valid.
Doping would both raise the level and smooth the variations with all
else being equal. (not deyhdrated, injury free, etc. )
Michael Press
Fred Flintstein <bob.sc...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
So is Lafferty. Does not make it palatable.
--
Michael Press
derf...@gmail.com
>
> > My assumption has always been that Anton is trolling.
> > Just sayin'.
>
> So is Lafferty. Does not make it palatable.
He's not trolling. He's Don Quixote incarnate.
CowPunk
Lance had plenty of bad days pre and post-Tour, as did Indurain.
Otherwise they would have won all 3 GT's and classics
Cadel is just old, like Lance.
Scott
How does doping affect bonking?
Henry
don't feed the troll. Do it again and I'll reach through the screen
and bitch-slap you
H. Fred Kveck
Anton Berlin <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I didn't cite anti-depressants - I wrote lithium - well known for flat
> lining emotions
You're correct - you didn't cite anti-depressants. However, the standard low-dose
litium program sometimes comes with "mood-stabilzers" as an additional part of the
therapy. That would cause a flattened emotional range but it's not done across the
board.
Betty
> There's a gaping hole in your vagina theory.
Dumbass,
Vaginas are supposed to have gaping holes.
B. Lafferty
Gaping? Does yours?
Anton Berlin
Holy shit man... "all else being equal" etc
Betty
>>> There's a gaping hole in your vagina theory.
Betty wrote:
>> Dumbass,
>> Vaginas are supposed to have gaping holes.
B. Lafferty wrote:
> Gaping? Does yours?
LANCE can help educate you:
<http://www.livestrong.com/article/12495-the-vagina/>
Don't worry though, I'm sure you can get a size S fleshlight if there
aren't any vaginas around.