Norco Bush Pilot Question
Kevin MacLennan
hi,
i am interested in getting into some biking this summer. i'll be doing
mostly city riding. so i really don't know a lot about bikes and was
hoping someone could give me some advice.
i went to a couple of shops. the salesperson at one told me that a
norco bush pilot would be a good choice. i must admit it's a good
looking bike. but i've never been one to take a sales person's word as
the truth.
so what's the deal on this bike?
thanks
kevin maclennan
jacob heisler
The deal is that all NORCO bikes suck and will be dead in about
one year! Do not buy it, don't do it, foolish idea. I know a few people,
one being my brother Nick, who have bought a NORCO just to watch it rust
out and break down. Cheep tires, Cheep hubs, Bad wealds, some unknown type
cables that streach forever and never stop untill they become unwound. The
bottom brackett is most likly not even one solid unit but the old kind
that expose the inner workings such as the ball bearings to the elements.
Look at Raleigh bikes instead, you will find a better bike for the
same price I bet. Look at the ledgend by Raleigh. I bet that it is in the
same price range and is a much better buy. To start with it will have a
full cro-mo frame not just the main triangle being cro-mo like on the bush
(crashing) pilot. The front forks will also be cro-mo not hitense steal.
This means better quality, longer life and a lot less weight.
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Vincent Cheng
jacob heisler (jhei...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:
: The deal is that all NORCO bikes suck and will be dead in about
: one year! Do not buy it, don't do it, foolish idea. I know a few people,
: one being my brother Nick, who have bought a NORCO just to watch it rust
: out and break down. Cheep tires, Cheep hubs, Bad wealds, some unknown type
: cables that streach forever and never stop untill they become unwound. The
: bottom brackett is most likly not even one solid unit but the old kind
: that expose the inner workings such as the ball bearings to the elements.
I have never seen that, Norcos have been very good to me and customers to
my shop. They are all excellent bikes that should not give you any
problems. Yeah, the tires are not the best, neither are the hubs, but
they are not much worse than anything else in this price range.
: Look at Raleigh bikes instead, you will find a better bike for the
: same price I bet. Look at the ledgend by Raleigh. I bet that it is in the
: same price range and is a much better buy. To start with it will have a
: full cro-mo frame not just the main triangle being cro-mo like on the bush
: (crashing) pilot. The front forks will also be cro-mo not hitense steal.
: This means better quality, longer life and a lot less weight.
not that much less, plus, the welding are like tooth paste, parts are
outdated and obsolete(yeah, they have derailleurs from a few years backon
their 97 bikes). They don't work. For the same price range, I will take
the Bush Pilot over the Inferno anytime.
This from a guy who has fixed hundreds of Raleighs and Norcos...
Vince
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> Kevin MacLennan <kma...@mb.sympatico.ca> writes:
> i went to a couple of shops. the salesperson at one told me that a
> norco bush pilot would be a good choice. i must admit it's a good
> looking bike. but i've never been one to take a sales person's word as
> the truth.
>>>>
Uhm...it'd likely be okay for riding on the road, but for serious riding (off-road) you'd need something a little more solid.
For off-road riding the decent bikes start at the Bigfoot model (about $600) and go from there. It's all a matter of the quality of
components like derailluers and shifters and brakes. Naturally the most important part of the bike is the frame, and going full chromoly
is always a good idea (you can add part to a frame, but frames come as they are, so good ones are the best bet from the start)
I noticed from your address that you are here in MB, as am I. I don't know if you are in Winnipeg but a couple of shops that I like are
Cyclecraft on Academy, and Olympia on Pembina. Both seem pretty straight forward.
Anyway, if you have more questions feel free to email me, I usually can get back to people in a day or two.
PS - at least you haven't missed a lot of "good" riding weather <grin>
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Brian Ho
Okay, I've been too busy to follow this group closely lately, so I
don't know who all the new blathering morons with serious
psychological problems are, but tell me this guy is one of them, or
that this is a joke, otherwise I may actually take the time to point
out all the misinformation in his post.
On 13 May 1997 20:13:01 GMT, jhei...@chat.carleton.ca (jacob heisler)
wrote:
> The deal is that all NORCO bikes suck and will be dead in about
>one year! Do not buy it, don't do it, foolish idea. I know a few people,
>one being my brother Nick, who have bought a NORCO just to watch it rust
>out and break down. Cheep tires, Cheep hubs, Bad wealds, some unknown type
>cables that streach forever and never stop untill they become unwound. The
>bottom brackett is most likly not even one solid unit but the old kind
>that expose the inner workings such as the ball bearings to the elements.
[Snip to save readers' sanity]
Brian
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Rob Kercher
In article <5lai0d$5...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> jhei...@chat.carleton.ca (jacob heisler) writes:
>From: jhei...@chat.carleton.ca (jacob heisler)
>Subject: Re: Norco Bush Pilot Question
>Date: 13 May 1997 20:13:01 GMT
>Kevin MacLennan (kma...@mb.sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> hi,
snip
>> so what's the deal on this bike?
> The deal is that all NORCO bikes suck and will be dead in about
>one year! Do not buy it, don't do it, foolish idea.
Snip
I too will vouch for Norco Bicycles having owned 8 of their mountain bikes
over the last 7 years. I had one that failed and they gave me a great deal on
an upgrade and let me keep all the parts from the old frame. The guys at
Norco know a lot about mountain bikes. I always recommend a Norco for
beginners or hard cores. I loved my TNT but alas it was stolen. Currently I
am riding a 95 Team Issue and I have a beautiful Ti Rampage for sale.
RK
Jay Allen
Oooops! i just reread my post. I dont know what i was thinking, but i
meant high end and not "hi" end..... Sometimes it pays to edit before
hitting send ;)
Jay
On Thu, 15 May 1997, Jay Allen wrote:
> Date: Thu, 15 MAY 1997 23:31:24 GMT
> From: Jay Allen <may...@server.uwindsor.ca>
> Newgroups: rec.bicycles.off-road
> Subject: Re: Norco Bush Pilot Question
>
> On 13 May 1997, jacob heisler wrote:
> > The deal is that all NORCO bikes suck and will be dead in about
> > one year!
>
> Wow, what a generalisation!
> Norco makes both hi and low end bikes. The line has many, many quality
> bikes that are well suited to their intended roles. Personally, i have
> owned several Norco bikes and have found each to be of very hi quality
> (when compared to similarly priced models from other lines) and very
> durable. Norco bikes tend to represent very good value for the dollar.
>
> > Cheep tires, Cheep hubs, Bad wealds, some unknown type
> > cables that streach forever and never stop untill they become unwound. The
> > bottom brackett is most likly not even one solid unit but the old kind
> > that expose the inner workings such as the ball bearings to the elements.
>
> Remember, all bikes in this price range will have cheap components.
> Unless I am mistaken, the Bush Pilot retails in the $250 - $300 CDN
> range. It is unlikely that any bike in this range (new and current model
> year) will have substantially superior components.
>
> For the record, the bb is, infact a cartridge model. The frame is
> undoubtably, made by one of the same chinese factories that make most of the
> big-name manufacturers' bikes, and, it is probably identicle to many frames
> found at the low end of many manufacturers' lines.
>
> >
> > Look at Raleigh bikes instead,
>
> I agree, look at raleigh bikes and every other bike that you can. The
> best way to decide which bike is best for you is to ride as many as possible.
>
> > The front forks will also be cro-mo not hitense steal.
> > This means better quality, longer life and a lot less weight.
>
> The forks on the Bush Pilot are, infact chro-moly.
>
> To address the original question, the bush pilot looks to be a solid bike
> that can be used on paths and around the city. It does not look like a
> bike that would hold up well if used off road in a serious fashion. The
> components are fine for tooling around town, but they will likely wear
> quickly if used off road.
>
> If you want to stay in the Norco line of bikes, i would suggest that the
> Bigfoot might be a good bike to look at. The frame is double-butted full
> chro-moly and the components are very respectable. If the Bigfoot is out
> of your price range (i believe that it is about $500 - 600 CDN but i could
> be off...) you might want to look at the Kokanee which features a full
> chro-moly frame and better comopnents than the bush pilot. The kokanee
> will hold up better off road and should provide a better riding
> experience than the bush pilot.
>
> Good luck with the MTB purchase. Test ride as many bikes as possible and
> concider models that are slightly more expensive -- at the low end of the
> bike lines, a few extra dollars can go a long way.
>
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
jacob heisler
Jay Allen (may...@server.uwindsor.ca) wrote:
> On 13 May 1997, jacob heisler wrote:
> > The deal is that all NORCO bikes suck and will be dead in about
> > one year!
> Wow, what a generalisation!
> Norco makes both hi and low end bikes. The line has many, many quality
> bikes that are well suited to their intended roles. Personally, i have
> owned several Norco bikes and have found each to be of very hi quality
> (when compared to similarly priced models from other lines) and very
> durable. Norco bikes tend to represent very good value for the dollar.
This is no generalisation. I have to many sccary stories about
nogo bikes. I have a friend who shelled out the big money for one of their
top of the line rigs. The welds started to give way at the end of last
year on the head tube. Yes he even has shox. Crappy job. crappy bike. Nogo
told him that they could replace the bike with a slightly lower model but
will not refund his money or replace the bike with the same model.
> For the record, the bb is, infact a cartridge model. The frame is
> undoubtably, made by one of the same chinese factories that make most of the
> big-name manufacturers' bikes, and, it is probably identicle to many
best way to decide which bike is best for you is to ride as many as possible.
> The forks on the Bush Pilot are, infact chro-moly.
Over the bb and the front and rear triangle I was assumin as i did
not know what exactly they were. However, I did go and check out the push
pilot and thats what I assume one will be doing a year later, pushing it
home. For the a lower price at the same store you could buy a R. legend.
It has the same geomatry, fully cro-mo, and if you find a 96 or 97 model
it will have alivoand perhaps stx gear on it. It is also fully worthy of
going off road for some serious riding as my g-friend ones one, upgraded
it and has taken it over nasty stuff.
However, enough about the nogo vs. Ral. debate, where do you ride
down in Windsor. I grew up near their and oftain go home and do not ride
anywhere all that exciting, mostly flat, wide open spaces. If you con tell
me where to find some hilly rides I would love it. It makes no difference
to me what side of the border it is on I don't care as long as it is noly
about 45 min driving radius.
Also remember to vote for your Lib. candidate. My brother is her
right hand man and I am friends with a few of the ladies and guys that
work in her office. I also know a couple of the volinteers that work for
her, one is a good friend and loves to ride. Sue Walland is the way to go.
Good lady, I have met her a thousand times and know her personally, hard
working Lady doing the right thing.