Small Time Terrorists destroy Parisian Utopian Bike Program
ComandanteBanana
resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/world/europe/31bikes.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&em
***
Yes, those little terrorists must be dealt with just like with the big
ones.
One thing to note, though, is that for all the waste fighting those
little terrorists it's still a bargain compared to fighting the big
terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Never walk into a church without proper protection. The predator can
be anywhere!
"Hey, Holy Priest, you touch that banana and..."
http://pistonsnationblog.com/images/clint-eastwood.JPG
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
Peter S.
> "They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by
> resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
>
>
Chill out. Please notice that the NYT (and the original BBC article)
are press spins by the Vélib operator "JCDecaux". JCDecaux would like
some more money besides the 80 million euros they make yearly on the
commercial displays on the Vélib bicycles and their stations. So they
allegedly throttled maintenance (according to JCDecaux employees) for
a while and made a press campaign that plays on peoples rather
predictable prejudices on immigrant workers and young people. Besides
making JCDecaux wads of cash, the city of Paris also has a yearly
income of nearly 20 million euro from the Vélib user fees. With an
average of 80.000 daily users the program is hardly in shambles as
portrayed in the NYT article.
$3.500 bicycles have nothing to do with the actual cost of producing
the bicycles, but are the value assigned by JCDecaux.
See here for a counterpoint to the NYT article:
http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/12/reports-of-velibs-demise-greatly-exaggerated/
--
Regards
Ron Wallenfang
>
> --
> Regards
Now if we can just get their machines to accept US credit
cards..............
(PeteCresswell)
>"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by
>resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/world/europe/31bikes.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&em
I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages
had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin.
--
PeteCresswell
Andre Jute
> Per ComandanteBanana:
>
> >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by
> >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
>
>
> I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages
> had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin.
> --
> PeteCresswell
I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly
elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's
distorted worldview.
Andre Jute
If there's any spin to be applied, you may safely leave it to me
ComandanteBanana
>
> - Show quoted text -
Someone may ship them over here, right? ;)
ComandanteBanana
> On Nov 3, 2:07 am, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
>
> > Per ComandanteBanana:
>
> > >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by
> > >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
>
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/world/europe/31bikes.html?_r=2&page...
>
> > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages
> > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin.
> > --
> > PeteCresswell
>
> I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly
> elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's
> distorted worldview.
I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by
Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and
destroy things.
I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean, but I like peace and safety in
the jungle.
Andre Jute
> On Nov 2, 9:21 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 2:07 am, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Per ComandanteBanana:
>
> > > >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by
> > > >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
>
> > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/world/europe/31bikes.html?_r=2&page...
>
> > > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages
> > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin.
> > > --
> > > PeteCresswell
>
> > I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly
> > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's
> > distorted worldview.
>
> I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by
> Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.
> But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and
> destroy things.
We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would
put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.
> I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,
He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the
man with the actor's roles.
> but I like peace and safety in
> the jungle.
I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of
government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes.
This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream,
not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of
misery.
Andre Jute
Oldfashioned liberal
ComandanteBanana
>
> - Show quoted text -
You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who
wrote...
You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical
depression?
I think the latter prevails, though.
That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
Enjoy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aRuqozNMmQ
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"Yes, in the jungle there's often more than two paths out of the
bushes. Just don't take the one that takes you to the cliff."
andre...@aol.com
Doubt that he'll be able to appreciate Bob Marley.
ComandanteBanana
>
> > "Yes, in the jungle there's often more than two paths out of the
> > bushes. Just don't take the one that takes you to the cliff."
>
> > WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Neither do they appreciate riding a bike.
Christians love everything AUTOMATIC such as in cars, so they don't
have to think about nothing.
No wonder they are driven. They can't even enjoy a real stick shift
car, for Christ's sake!
Andre Jute
> On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream,
> > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of
> > misery.
>
> > Andre Jute
> > Oldfashioned liberal
>
> You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who
> wrote...
>
> You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical
> depression?
>
> I think the latter prevails, though.
Are you surprised that I comtemptuously treat you as a tenth rate
fool, Banana? I talk of raising the poor to the middle classes and you
find it boring.
> That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
And then you tell me your idea of political action is listening to Bob
Marley.
I don't need to say any more. I just won't waste any more time reading
your posts.
Andre Jute
The real thing
Andre Jute
> On Nov 3, 12:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream,
> > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of
> > > misery.
>
> > > Andre Jute
> > > Oldfashioned liberal
> > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
>
> Doubt that he'll be able to appreciate Bob Marley.
Andres Muro is another tenth-rater who thinks the revolution consists
of smoking dope and listerning to Bob Marley.
It is embarrassing to know such people, even virtually on the net.
Andre Jute
Listening to Bach's Cantata 199 "Mein Herze Schwimmt im Blut"
andre...@aol.com
Andre Jute is a very insecure Afrikaaner who love to insult anyone who
does not see the world through his glasses and who obviously does not
like Marley. He seems to believe that anyone who like Marley is a pot
smoking revolutionary wannabe.
Andre Jute would benefit from taking a Chill Pill. Even better, he may
benefit from smoking some pot and listening to Marley. That way he may
become less of a bitter ol',man. , Although, due to his very
conventional, while farily broad and encyclopedic thinking, he will
never be a revolutionary.
andre...@aol.com
Man oh man! you do have difficulty reading metaphorically and
interpreting. For having read so much I am surprised that you have so
much difficulty with language. That suggests very limited exposure and
the fact that even though you travelled so much you always kept your
mind shut. The criticism about your ideology was not an economic one
but a cultural one. The suggestion about listening to Marley was not
about taking any political action but about chilling out which
obviously you are incapable of.
You'd likely argue that you relax to the sound of Bach and a glass of
Carbernet. Problem is that while you may be able to relax a bit, you
are not able to chill out. Hence, you continue to be a bitter ol'man.
You ought to try alternating Cabernet and Bach w/ Beer and Marley,
Beethoven and Champagne, Manu Chau and Tequila and Tchaikovsky and
Chardonnay. This won't make you a revolutionary. It may open your mind
just a little.
KingOfTheApes
Would you smoke weed to see God?
KingOfTheApes
>
> - Show quoted text -
Then it's fitting for him to listen to this...
KingOfTheApes
>
> - Show quoted text -
Right on, it's INSECURITY that often keeps them from enjoying the best
things in life.
The sheep are very steady in their behavior, or so they claim to be.
Bod
Relax/puff/chill/enjoy.
Bod
KingOfTheApes
>
> - Show quoted text -
Exactly, you guys may enjoy this viewpoint. Be ready to feel LOW, HIGH
or simply GOOD... ;)
(don't forget the links with cartoons)
http://groups.google.com/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_thread/thread/2072efaf4d332dbf?hl=en
ComandanteBanana
but because REGGAE IS HOT, and they may lose control over the MONKEY
WITHIN... ;)
"Hey, don't you feel some times like hearing the Call of the Wild?"
(Hey, don't forget to see the back. It's all about LIBERATION, you
know)
http://www.zazzle.com/wanna_go_wild_tshirt-235023389331236966
dgk
I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of
labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable.
It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society
where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our
parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can,
however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's
a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
ComandanteBanana
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:27:24 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
What can say, brother, that was a TRIP. The way things will recorded
in history if we ever have to write it.
And no bicycles and no honest people here either.
Tim McNamara
dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of
> labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable.
> It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak,
usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. Not
infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before.
> Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society
> where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all.
Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing
for all (health care finance being the hurdle here).
> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity
is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
Edward Dolan
"Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:timmcn-CFFDA2....@news.iphouse.com...[...]
>> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
>> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
>> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain
(Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He
might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.
> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
> long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
> It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
> city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
> welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
> years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
> schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity
> is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No
wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals
too. No wonder that is equally fucked up!
>> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
>> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
>> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
>> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
>> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
>> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn
Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.
> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to
inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale
and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama
because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
(PeteCresswell)
> We have become a nation in which stupidity
>is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
I wouldn't sign on to language that extreme, but I think you have
hit on a major reason why the USA is on the long downslide: an
even-more-than-usually ignorant and non-critical electorate.
It's easy to blame politicians, but they're just doing what
politicians do: try to get elected and re-elected. It's the
electorate's sanctioning of the politicians - of whichever party
- that is the root cause.
--
PeteCresswell
Bill Baka
> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-CFFDA2....@news.iphouse.com...
>> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72uj...@4ax.com>,
>> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> [...]
>>> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
>>> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
>>> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
>
> Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain
> (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He
> might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.
One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have
stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your
facts together or go away.
>
>> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
>> long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
>> It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
>> city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
>> welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
>> years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
>> schools on a regular basis.
Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington
Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial
classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to
all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls
were in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really
stupid kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to
California in 1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion
and about 2 years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head
count and graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That
wasn't anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded
school system (in 1963).
We have become a nation in which stupidity
>> is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
GWB was a prime example of that.
>
> All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No
> wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals
> too. No wonder that is equally fucked up!
Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do
anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left
behind just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest
Gump can be an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids.
You are 110% wrong here, Ed.
>
>>> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
>>> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
>>> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
>>> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
>>> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
>>> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution
supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone
farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue.
>
> Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn
> Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.
WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the
new Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of shit we don't need.
It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys
corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70
should be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be
young enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation,
gradual changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his
generation might not apply to the up and coming generation.
>
>> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
The fascism is already here. I got stopped by two goons on a road on my
bicycle because somebody had used their cell phone to say there was a
guy on a bicycle with a camera and binoculars. They were DHS and CIA and
called a county sheriff to take me and my bike home and out of their
turf. Again, I was on a public road with cars zipping by and these
clowns told me it was an 'orange' security day. Damn Bush was paranoid
about everything.
>
> Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to
> inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale
> and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama
> because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan!
Ed,
Your ignorance is showing. Nixon was one of your kind. President Nancy
was a weird 8 years. Bush #1 was bad news and baby weed was really bad
if he could single handedly bring down the world economy.
What don't you understand?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
My magnificent brain is tired of your not so magnificent drivel.
*PLONK*
Bill Baka
Edward Dolan
"Bill Baka" <bb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hctbqh$g3p$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
>> news:timmcn-CFFDA2....@news.iphouse.com...
>>> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72uj...@4ax.com>,
>>> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
>>>> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
>>>> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
>>
>> Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain
>> (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland.
>> He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.
>
> One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have
> stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your
> facts together or go away.
We can never know if Hitler would have stopped or not. His main interest was
in eastern Europe, not western Europe. We do know that he never wanted to
attack England. In any event, Churchill is vastly overrated as a leader and
most especially as a world strategist. The English were quite right to get
rid of him once the war was won.
>>> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
>>> long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
>>> It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
>>> city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
>>> welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
>>> years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
>>> schools on a regular basis.
>
> Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington
> Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial
> classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to
> all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls were
> in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really stupid
> kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to California in
> 1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion and about 2
> years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head count and
> graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That wasn't
> anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded school
> system (in 1963).
It has to do with the liberal belief that everyone should be equal, not just
in opportunities, but in outcomes.
> We have become a nation in which stupidity
>>> is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
>
> GWB was a prime example of that.
Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on
Islamic extremism. We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to
make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is what
happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.
>> All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No
>> wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of
>> liberals too. No wonder that is equally fucked up!
>
> Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do
> anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left behind
> just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest Gump can be
> an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids.
> You are 110% wrong here, Ed.
Education is almost 100% the responsibility of local government (school
boards) and of the states. The federal government has almost nothing do with
education. But teachers are 100% liberal democrats. They are the ones who
determine what the quality of education is going to be.
>>>> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
>>>> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
>>>> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
>>>> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
>>>> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
>>>> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
>
> Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution
> supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone
> farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue.
>>
>> Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the
>> Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.
>
> WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the new
> Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of shit we don't need.
> It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys
> corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70 should
> be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be young
> enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation, gradual
> changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his generation
> might not apply to the up and coming generation.
Glenn Beck is way over the head of those who do not take politics seriously.
He is better than most college professors of political science that I have
ever had an acquaintance with. Limbaugh is also educational, but he laces
his commentary with entertainment.
>>> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
>
> The fascism is already here. I got stopped by two goons on a road on my
> bicycle because somebody had used their cell phone to say there was a guy
> on a bicycle with a camera and binoculars. They were DHS and CIA and
> called a county sheriff to take me and my bike home and out of their turf.
> Again, I was on a public road with cars zipping by and these clowns told
> me it was an 'orange' security day. Damn Bush was paranoid about
> everything.
It is Obama and liberal Dems who are the control freaks. You have got
everything backwards.
>> Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to
>> inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale
>> and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with
>> Obama because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another
>> Reagan!
>
> Ed,
> Your ignorance is showing. Nixon was one of your kind. President Nancy was
> a weird 8 years. Bush #1 was bad news and baby weed was really bad if he
> could single handedly bring down the world economy.
> What don't you understand?
Nixon was one of my favorite presidents. Reagan and Bush were fine too, most
especially when compared to Dems like Carter, Clinton and now Obama. Cheney
was the greatest vice president this nation has ever had. He should have a
monument erected to celebrate his greatness right next to the Washington
Monument. At the least, his likeness should be carved into Mount Rushmore so
he can be properly worshipped by the multitudes.
Bill Baka
I'm not just equal. My IQ is well over 140 and I was bored to death in
school. College too. I once got into it with my electronics instructor
for teaching way too slow.
>
>> We have become a nation in which stupidity
>>>> is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
>> GWB was a prime example of that.
>
> Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on
> Islamic extremism.
You are a flipping fruitcake if you buy into that. I'm losing any
respect for you on this Republican rant.
We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to
> make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is what
> happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.
Enough bullshit, Ed. Kennedy was only 43 when he got elected and he did
OK until Dallas. It was either a CIA motivated solution to him and
Marilyn Monroe or a well oiled job set up by LBJ, the one president I
really hated, party not withstanding.
>
>>> All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No
>>> wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of
>>> liberals too. No wonder that is equally fucked up!
>> Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do
>> anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left behind
>> just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest Gump can be
>> an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids.
>> You are 110% wrong here, Ed.
>
> Education is almost 100% the responsibility of local government (school
> boards) and of the states.
No shit. Illinois had excellent schools in 1962-3 and California had
crappy schools. Two states, one good schools, one horrific schools.
The federal government has almost nothing do with
> education. But teachers are 100% liberal democrats.
Knock off the obvious bullshit, Ed.
They are the ones who
> determine what the quality of education is going to be.
Sure they are. I learned more French in one year in Illinois than I
forgot during 2 years in California. In Illinois we had a text, grammar,
and spelling book so we could see how it was spelled. In California we
had audio/visual teaching which was a complete joke.
>
>>>>> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
>>>>> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
>>>>> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
>>>>> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
>>>>> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
>>>>> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
>> Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution
>> supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone
>> farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue.
>>> Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the
>>> Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.
>> WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the new
>> Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of shit we don't need.
>> It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys
>> corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70 should
>> be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be young
>> enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation, gradual
>> changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his generation
>> might not apply to the up and coming generation.
>
> Glenn Beck is way over the head of those who do not take politics seriously.
> He is better than most college professors of political science that I have
> On Nov 3, 7:46 pm, Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Engineer wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>> Thanks for all replies. Yes, it's paper! The dielectric is super
>>> thin, brown, translucent (likely impregnated), skin-like paper with
>>> very low tensile strength - I did not test for burst and tear but will
>>> certainly be low!
>>> I plan to replace all of these that are under any B+ stress before
>>> further restoration. I'll be using modern 0.12 uF, 630 volt, black
>>> plastic, rectangular caps (Korean made.)
>> Everything I buy from Korea is checked very carefully.
>> If I were you I would replace all those tubular paper capacitors with
>> the wax on them. I found some that the leads had come loose and you
>> could twirl the capacitor while the leads were still soldered into the
>> radio.
>>
>>> Rare original IF's saved, Scott... and lessons learned!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Roger
>> Best of luck.
>> Bill Baka
*Now go take your medication because Cheney would cause WWIII. He is a
pompous idiot. Read his history.
He should have a
> monument erected to celebrate his greatness right next to the Washington
> Monument. At the least, his likeness should be carved into Mount Rushmore so
> he can be properly worshipped by the multitudes.
I totally give up on you.
Bill Baka
Edward Dolan
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on
>> Islamic extremism.
>
> You are a flipping fruitcake if you buy into that. I'm losing any respect
> for you on this Republican rant.
>
> We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to
>> make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is
>> what happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.
>
> Enough bullshit, Ed. Kennedy was only 43 when he got elected and he did OK
> until Dallas. It was either a CIA motivated solution to him and Marilyn
> Monroe or a well oiled job set up by LBJ, the one president I really
> hated, party not withstanding.
JFK, just like Obama, was too young and inexperienced to be president. He
essentially bungled our relations with the Soviet Union and handled the
Cuban invasion like an idiot. He should have supported the exiles with air
power which would have made all the difference. He also got us into Vietnam
with no idea of how to win the war. People in their 40s, at least in this
country, are still babies. You have to be at least in your 50s in order to
have any sense. In fact, I like our presidents to be in their 60s.
>>>> All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No
>>>> wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of
>>>> liberals too. No wonder that is equally fucked up!
>>> Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do
>>> anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left
>>> behind just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest
>>> Gump can be an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids.
>>> You are 110% wrong here, Ed.
>>
>> Education is almost 100% the responsibility of local government (school
>> boards) and of the states.
>
> No shit. Illinois had excellent schools in 1962-3 and California had
> crappy schools. Two states, one good schools, one horrific schools.
The Midwestern schools were never any good either. The only good schools
were the private schools. All public schools are an abomination, thanks to
brainwashed liberal teachers.
> The federal government has almost nothing do with
>> education. But teachers are 100% liberal democrats.
>
> Knock off the obvious bullshit, Ed.
College professors are also 100% liberals. It is a disease that all
academics inherit by virtue of their profession.
[...]
>> Nixon was one of my favorite presidents. Reagan and Bush were fine too,
>> most especially when compared to Dems like Carter, Clinton and now Obama.
>> Cheney was the greatest vice president this nation has ever had.
>
> *Now go take your medication because Cheney would cause WWIII. He is a
> pompous idiot. Read his history.
Cheney was a conservative politician from Wyoming and proved to be the
bulwark of the Bush administration Thanks to him, we had Islamic extremists
on the run. Too bad he could never be elected president because of liberal
types like you.
ComandanteBanana
> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>,
>
> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> > I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of
> > labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable.
> > It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
>
> Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak,
> usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. Not
> infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before.
Like the "American Revolution"? How about the Eastern Europe ones.
They worked... to a degree. Not the real thing, of course.
One thing I'd like to witness though is the oppresion of the drivers
by the cyclists!
>
> > Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society
> > where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all.
>
> Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing
> for all (health care finance being the hurdle here).
The problem is SOMEONE (ie. the Medical Industry) won't give up their
lion's share. What can we about it, put him on a diet? ;)
>
> > Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
> > educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
> > unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
>
> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
> long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
> It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
> city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
> welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
> years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
> schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity
> is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
I think the whole thing started with Globalization, ie. if you got
money who cares anymore about quality of life! Just move to a Gated
Community.
>
> > Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
> > have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
> > drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
> > think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
> > Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
> > hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
>
> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
Well, this is supposed to be our great last hope. After this...
WHAT!!!????
ComandanteBanana
Right, the "sheep" must be blamed. That's why I'm calling on them...
to rise up! ;)
" I am encouraging the sheep to become black sheep"
On Nov 5, 3:26 am, philosophy <smwil...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 7:41 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Thea is NOT the wolf, just a sheep.
>
> > Would she JOIN the Black Sheep!?
>
> Thea is a sweet lady who firmly believes in the Bible and its'
> literal interpretation according to Thea. I am not asking her to
> "join" anything. I am not here to prosthelize. I am here to
> educate, and all I am doing is giving her some options. Funnily
> enough, it does not have to impact on "belief" per se. What it
> does do is give her some options she may not have previously
> had. Another way to put it is the story of the lost sheep. I do
> not remember any Black Sheep in the Bible.
See, I am encouraging the sheep to become black sheep.
Black sheep is NOT necessarily an Atheist, but also Agnostic, lover of
LOVE, believer in Merlin or other magicians, the Full Moon, the Sun,
the Stars, the Beach, the Rastas (they still believe loosely in Jah,
but are free to smoke weed and "see" god) and any other magic and
belief --Tantra for example-- that does NOT follow a dying man.
Martyrdom is dangerous and depressing.
So perhaps one day you'll become a Black Sheep, and be proud of it
like me. It's fun doing what you want, even if you sometimes pretend
to go with the flow.
Perhaps someone wants to sing along...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8onbDZmAwhE
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"Never trust the lion unless he's toothless!"
Simon Lewis
KingOfTheApes
(Hey, even Big Ed is small compared to that, huh?)
"Are you Atheist or anti-Atheist?"
Well, the term "religious" doesn't honor the MATERIALISM and LACK OF
SPIRITUALITY of many Christians who are often SHEEP or PREDATOR. Then
you must start looking for new names that describe them better without
lying.
Yes, we know you Christians are also ANTI bikes, nature, alcohol,
drugs, Marley, Beethoven, vegetarians, peace and love.
Thank you, and now pray to the Almighty... LOVE!
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"Peace, Love and Banana"
Paul O
the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!
We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread
started by ComandanteBanana.
Can it get any better than this?
--
Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)
Bill Sornson
> For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been honored
> with the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!
>
> We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread
> started by ComandanteBanana.
>
> Can it get any better than this?
"The horror of that moment I shall never forget", said the king.
"You will", replied the queen, "if you don't make a memorandum of it".
Bill "paraphrasing 'Alice Through The Looking Glass" S.
Paul O
Comandante chirps his tale
Winter is coming
Edward Dolan
"Paul O" <first....@company.com> wrote in message
news:hcv00s$ff5$1...@news.nems.noaa.gov...
> For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been honored with
> the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!
>
> We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread
> started by ComandanteBanana.
>
> Can it get any better than this?
It is not correct to cast Ed Dolan the Great in the same loony bin as Bill
Baka and Comandante Banana. The latter two are diamonds in the rough whereas
Ed Dolan the Great is a polished diamond of eternal magnificence. When I
contemplate Myself I tremble at my own perfection. How is it posssble that
such Greatness and Perfection can perish from this earth? Yea, that is what
I am constantly asking Myself!
"Once I wasn't, then I was, now I ain't again."
- Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard
Tim McNamara
Paul O <first....@company.com> wrote:
Talkin' 'bout
Hey now
Hey now
Haiku haiku an nay
Jockomo feena ah na nay
Jockomo feena nay
(with apologies to Sugar Boy Crawford)
dgk
wrote:
>
>"Bill Baka" <bb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:hctlr8$g7v$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>[...]
>>> Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on
>>> Islamic extremism.
>>
>> You are a flipping fruitcake if you buy into that. I'm losing any respect
>> for you on this Republican rant.
>>
>> We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to
>>> make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is
>>> what happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.
>>
>> Enough bullshit, Ed. Kennedy was only 43 when he got elected and he did OK
>> until Dallas. It was either a CIA motivated solution to him and Marilyn
>> Monroe or a well oiled job set up by LBJ, the one president I really
>> hated, party not withstanding.
>
>JFK, just like Obama, was too young and inexperienced to be president. He
>essentially bungled our relations with the Soviet Union and handled the
>Cuban invasion like an idiot. He should have supported the exiles with air
>power which would have made all the difference. He also got us into Vietnam
>with no idea of how to win the war. People in their 40s, at least in this
>country, are still babies. You have to be at least in your 50s in order to
>have any sense. In fact, I like our presidents to be in their 60s.
>
Before the Bay of Pigs, Russia was faced with Cuba being continuously
attacked by the US, and our nuclear missles were on their border. So
they moved missles into Cuba. After the resulting hysteria, we
promised to stop sending terrorists into Cuba, and took our missles
off Russia's border. You would have done what differently? Started a
nuclear war? That's a very likely outcome if we had sent planes into
Cuba.
Perhaps Castro was not the best leader for Cuba, but since we were
responsible for Batista, that sort of nullfies our moral capital in
the matter. Just like being responsible for the Shah undermines any
moral objection we may have for Iran's current government.
I believe JFK was killed to prevent him from withdrawing from Vietnam.
We did, of course, start the whole war to PREVENT free unifying
elections from taking place as required by the 1954 Geneva Convention.
We, of course, being so dedicated to democracy, refused to sign those
accords because they promised free elections. Ho Chi Minh would have
won overwhelmingly.
Simon Lewis
And Saddam Hussein.
And had it not been for Pearl Harbour : and Hitler.
His Majesty Comandante Banana King Of The Apes I
OK, now that we have the Holy Trinity, who's the enemy here?
It must be the Devil because how the hell anyone doesn't want BIKE
FACILITIES, BETTER ROAD MANNERS, CAMERAS or whatever it takes to fix
once and for all this damned jungle....
Hey, I don't want to sound like preaching. ;)
His Majesty Comandante Banana King Of The Apes I
This moment will recorded for history by the people who write the
history of the Internet.
There must be someone writing that, right?
His Majesty Comandante Banana King Of The Apes I
I see you are speaking in parables...
I always wondered what the hell Jesus was talking about.
But I speak in parables too, JUNGLE PARABLES. Important stuff, you
know...
NEVER, EVER PUSH RED BUTTON in the jungle...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X7pwsDWRJM&feature=fvw
Very important for a cyclist or anyone: BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS!
That's what this cop told me about my statement that there were many
predators around where I live. See, they stole one of my bikes right
under my window. And it's not even the DEEP jungle.
His Majesty Comandante Banana King Of The Apes I
> "Paul O" <first.d.l...@company.com> wrote in message
Listen Big Ed, you'd have to name yourself EMPEROR to even have a
chance to reach my "HIS MAJESTY COMANDANTE BANANA KING OF THE APES
I." ;)
His Majesty Comandante Banana King Of The Apes I
>
> Talkin' 'bout
> Hey now
> Hey now
> Haiku haiku an nay
> Jockomo feena ah na nay
> Jockomo feena nay
>
> (with apologies to Sugar Boy Crawford)- Hide quoted text -
>
I'd like to learn Esperanto someday...
Meanwhile I can say in Spanish, "Esto es una mierda y una mentira!"
Sorry for the language. ;)
Bill Baka
> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>> I'm not just equal. My IQ is well over 140 and I was bored to death in
>> school. College too. I once got into it with my electronics instructor
>> for teaching way too slow.
>
> Is it true you once beat Kasparov at chess?
Chess is one thing I don't have patience for.
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
I followed it on the TV news after school or play time.
>
> Perhaps Castro was not the best leader for Cuba, but since we were
> responsible for Batista, that sort of nullfies our moral capital in
> the matter. Just like being responsible for the Shah undermines any
> moral objection we may have for Iran's current government.
I think we should have helped Batista and kept the communists out, and
then sent some people down there to see what we could do, shadow
government or whatever.
>
> I believe JFK was killed to prevent him from withdrawing from Vietnam.
I know that LBJ was the dimwit that decided to make it a full blown yet
limited joke of a war.
> We did, of course, start the whole war to PREVENT free unifying
> elections from taking place as required by the 1954 Geneva Convention.
> We, of course, being so dedicated to democracy, refused to sign those
> accords because they promised free elections. Ho Chi Minh would have
> won overwhelmingly.
>
Politics off.
Bill Baka
andre...@aol.com
Not only that, but upon assuming power, Castro asked the US for
support and to trade. The US wanted Castro to return the Casinos,
Sugar and tobacco plantations, etc to the the corporations. Since
Castro said no, the US started an anti-Cuban campaign and to try to
undermine Castro's government and supported counterrevolutionary
activity. Castro was forced to ally himself with the Soviet Union. The
same happened in Vietnam. When the Vietnamese expelled the French,
they established a constitution based on the American one. And they
sought alliance with the US. Since the US wanted to inherit France's
colonial control over Vietnam, they opposed the government and
established an opposing government in Saigon. They had little support
from the Vietnamese people and caused a huge mess, murdered tons of
people and eventually left, but continued a cold war for decades
after.
His Majesty Comandante Banana King Of The Apes I
I like checkers, and I'm considering darts for this reason:
"Why attack God when you can get a Dartboard?"
It's a fun game and you practice for coming wars and many other
disgraces talked about in Revelations. End is coming soon, so you may
as well have fun!
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"Never assume that the monkey is not serious"
His Majesty Comandante Banana King Of The Apes I
>
> - Show quoted text -
They used to be enemies but now they need each other. To break with
the status quo is always hard and unpredictable.
That's why we can't have a real revolution here. But hey, we can have
in Cuba!
Any Banana Republic for that matter.
Edward Dolan
"dgk" <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:49f8f5h66ofn6ltlo...@4ax.com...
I would have supported the Cuban exiles in their attempt to overthrow
Castro. The Soviet Union was never going to go to war with the US over a
third world country. Get real! JFK and his bunch were sissies and cowards
who had no stomach for war. LBJ and his bunch were the exact same as JFK -
good at getting us into a war, but then not knowing how to win it.
> Perhaps Castro was not the best leader for Cuba, but since we were
> responsible for Batista, that sort of nullfies our moral capital in
> the matter. Just like being responsible for the Shah undermines any
> moral objection we may have for Iran's current government.
>
> I believe JFK was killed to prevent him from withdrawing from Vietnam.
> We did, of course, start the whole war to PREVENT free unifying
> elections from taking place as required by the 1954 Geneva Convention.
> We, of course, being so dedicated to democracy, refused to sign those
> accords because they promised free elections. Ho Chi Minh would have
> won overwhelmingly.
The above is spoken like a true communist sympathizer, but that is what I
have been saying about liberals all of my life. All liberals are treasonous
wretches at heart. They are also cowards who never met a war they liked.
Note well how Obama and the liberal Dems are looking for ways to back out of
Afghanistan.
Edward Dolan
<andre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:232f4400-6fdf-4166...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
The Cubans were responsible for Batista just like the Iranians were
responsible for the Shah. The Cubans are also responsible for Castro just
like the Iranians are responsible for the Mullahs. Jeez, how do you get to
be so stupid! Are you born that way or do you have to work at it?
> I believe JFK was killed to prevent him from withdrawing from Vietnam.
> We did, of course, start the whole war to PREVENT free unifying
> elections from taking place as required by the 1954 Geneva Convention.
> We, of course, being so dedicated to democracy, refused to sign those
> accords because they promised free elections. Ho Chi Minh would have
> won overwhelmingly.
>>>>> Not only that, but upon assuming power, Castro asked the US for
support and to trade. The US wanted Castro to return the Casinos,
Sugar and tobacco plantations, etc to the the corporations. Since
Castro said no, the US started an anti-Cuban campaign and to try to
undermine Castro's government and supported counterrevolutionary
activity. Castro was forced to ally himself with the Soviet Union. The
same happened in Vietnam. When the Vietnamese expelled the French,
they established a constitution based on the American one. And they
sought alliance with the US. Since the US wanted to inherit France's
colonial control over Vietnam, they opposed the government and
established an opposing government in Saigon. They had little support
from the Vietnamese people and caused a huge mess, murdered tons of
people and eventually left, but continued a cold war for decades
after.
The above type of argument assumes that the US has more power in world
affairs than it actually has. Foreign leaders have minds of their own and
are never "forced" to do anything they do not want to do. Castro and Ho Chi
Minh were committed communists and were only too anxious to ally themselves
with the Soviet Union.
In any event, the history of how the Vietnam War came about has next to
nothing to do with the above explanation.
dgk
wrote:
>>
>> I believe JFK was killed to prevent him from withdrawing from Vietnam.
>> We did, of course, start the whole war to PREVENT free unifying
>> elections from taking place as required by the 1954 Geneva Convention.
>> We, of course, being so dedicated to democracy, refused to sign those
>> accords because they promised free elections. Ho Chi Minh would have
>> won overwhelmingly.
>
>The above is spoken like a true communist sympathizer, but that is what I
>have been saying about liberals all of my life. All liberals are treasonous
>wretches at heart. They are also cowards who never met a war they liked.
>Note well how Obama and the liberal Dems are looking for ways to back out of
>Afghanistan.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
The fact that it happens to be true is lost on you? We always talk
about Democracy, but we mean Free Enterprise. If a democratic election
would install someone opposed to Free Enterprise, then we do all in
our power to overthrow the winner. The actual quote from Eisenhower
was "80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist
Ho Chi Minh" over Emperor Bao Dai. So we refused to allow the election
to take place.
And now, that the horrible Commies have taken over Vietnam, they are
the #1 consumer of Coca Cola in the region.
Edward Dolan
Edward Dolan did NOT write:
>>> I believe JFK was killed to prevent him from withdrawing from Vietnam.
>>> We did, of course, start the whole war to PREVENT free unifying
>>> elections from taking place as required by the 1954 Geneva Convention.
>>> We, of course, being so dedicated to democracy, refused to sign those
>>> accords because they promised free elections. Ho Chi Minh would have
>>> won overwhelmingly.
Edward Dolan wrote:
>>The above is spoken like a true communist sympathizer, but that is what I
>>have been saying about liberals all of my life. All liberals are
>>treasonous
>>wretches at heart. They are also cowards who never met a war they liked.
>>Note well how Obama and the liberal Dems are looking for ways to back out
>>of
>>Afghanistan.
>
> The fact that it happens to be true is lost on you? We always talk
> about Democracy, but we mean Free Enterprise. If a democratic election
> would install someone opposed to Free Enterprise, then we do all in
> our power to overthrow the winner. The actual quote from Eisenhower
> was "80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist
> Ho Chi Minh" over Emperor Bao Dai. So we refused to allow the election
> to take place.
You can't have a democratic election that makes any sense when you have a
civil war ongoing and everyone is in fear of their lives. Democracies
require peace and quiet.
> And now, that the horrible Commies have taken over Vietnam, they are
> the #1 consumer of Coca Cola in the region.
Vietnam is a basket case just like all liberal-socialist-communist r�gimes
are. I give you North Korea as the best exemplar of the species. The people
can be starving to death and the government does not give a damn. That is
communism for you!
Chalo
>
> Vietnam is a basket case just like all liberal-socialist-communist régimes
> are. I give you North Korea as the best exemplar of the species. The people
> can be starving to death and the government does not give a damn. That is
> communism for you!
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Edward Dolan
"Chalo" <chalo....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> Vietnam is a basket case just like all liberal-socialist-communist r�gimes
> are. I give you North Korea as the best exemplar of the species. The
> people
> can be starving to death and the government does not give a damn. That is
> communism for you!
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Thanks for the picture of the Brooklyn Bridge, but it is spoiled by those
ne'er-do-wells at the base of it. This human scum needs to be rounded up and
warehoused in a State Hospital or a Poor House, if any such good
institutions still exist in this land of plenty.
dgk
wrote:
There was no civil war. The French withdrew in 1954 (the US funded 70%
of the French war effort) and Vietnam was temporarily divided.
Unifying elections were to be held in 1956. The US side refused to
allow those elections because they were going to lose. Then the civil
war began, but it wasn't really a civil war. It was Vietnamese
nationalists fighting foreign imperialist occupiers and their
collaborators.
>> And now, that the horrible Commies have taken over Vietnam, they are
>> the #1 consumer of Coca Cola in the region.
>
>Vietnam is a basket case just like all liberal-socialist-communist r�gimes
>are. I give you North Korea as the best exemplar of the species. The people
>can be starving to death and the government does not give a damn. That is
>communism for you!
Vietnam Today:
http://www.haivenu-vietnam.com/vietnam-today.htm
Note the list of credit cards accepted at the bottom.
Edward Dolan
>>You can't have a democratic election that makes any sense when you have a
>>civil war ongoing and everyone is in fear of their lives. Democracies
>>require peace and quiet.
>
> There was no civil war. The French withdrew in 1954 (the US funded 70%
> of the French war effort) and Vietnam was temporarily divided.
> Unifying elections were to be held in 1956. The US side refused to
> allow those elections because they were going to lose. Then the civil
> war began, but it wasn't really a civil war. It was Vietnamese
> nationalists fighting foreign imperialist occupiers and their
> collaborators.
You wouldn't know a civil war if it jumped up and bit you in your ass. You
also conflate North Vietnam with South Vietnam, two different countries
entirely. Free people NEVER vote to become communists! But who knows, maybe
you would!
[...]
dgk
wrote:
>
>"dgk" <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:08:22 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
>> wrote:
>[...]
>>>You can't have a democratic election that makes any sense when you have a
>>>civil war ongoing and everyone is in fear of their lives. Democracies
>>>require peace and quiet.
>>
>> There was no civil war. The French withdrew in 1954 (the US funded 70%
>> of the French war effort) and Vietnam was temporarily divided.
>> Unifying elections were to be held in 1956. The US side refused to
>> allow those elections because they were going to lose. Then the civil
>> war began, but it wasn't really a civil war. It was Vietnamese
>> nationalists fighting foreign imperialist occupiers and their
>> collaborators.
>
>You wouldn't know a civil war if it jumped up and bit you in your ass. You
>also conflate North Vietnam with South Vietnam, two different countries
>entirely. Free people NEVER vote to become communists! But who knows, maybe
>you would!
>[...]
>
But, but, let's just say, just suppose. that a commie pinko actually
did win a democratic election. Can we then nulify the election because
the capitalist lost?
Edward Dolan
Well Hells Bells, Hamas won an election in the Gaza. So what? Some people
are so fucking ignorant they would vote for Hitler and/or Stalin. I maintain
that in a free democratic society no one will ever vote for a tyranny except
for crazy bastards like you.
In any event, elections are not the be all and end all of a free people. You
must have multiple free institutions in operation throughout the society.
Otherwise, elections can be nothing but a farce - as they mostly are in
third world countries. I can assure you that any elections in Vietnam of
yesteryear were a farce as are the elections in Iraq and Afghanistan today.
Edward Dolan
[...]
> But, but, let's just say, just suppose. that a commie pinko actually
> did win a democratic election. Can we then nulify the election because
> the capitalist lost?
What is this animus against capitalism? All that will ever happen to you
under capitalism is that you may starve to death. Under most other forms of
governance, you will be quashed like a bug if you dissent in the slightest.
Yes, I know, capitalism is merely a form of an economic arrangement, but it
insures that you will at least be free. Most socialisms will not allow you
to be free. They may or may not feed you, but you will either tow the line
or you will be killed.
Communism simply doesn't work. It has been tried over and over under every
imaginable kind of people, and it simply doesn't work. Why? Because of human
nature. Alas, if you want communism to work, you will have to redesign the
human species from the genes on up.
Sorry DGK, but Marx, Lenin and Stalin were all wrong. If I had to choose
between fascism and communism, I would choose fascism. But they were both
ideologies of the left and straight from the Devil Himself!
dgk
wrote:
>
Well, you nailed one point. Communism doesn't work because it requires
that people work for the benefit of the whole. Most people are far too
selfish for that approach to work.
Facism however is the extreme end of capitalism with the state
controlled by corporations. Ultra-right as opposed to ultra-left.
As I recall, Communism was to evolve in an industrialized nation like
ours, not a backwards agrarian state like Russia.
I think, as things worsen in the USA, you may get to live under real
facism. I sincerely hope not.
Opus
>snip<
> I think, as things worsen in the USA, you may get to live under real
> facism. I sincerely hope not.
You mean you don't think we are already in a fascist state? The seeds
for fascism were sown back in the 19th century in the US when
corporations were upgraded to people status, then heavily fertilized
when money was given the status of speech in political races in the
late 20th century.
Norman
> Well, you nailed one point. Communism doesn't work because it requires
> that people work for the benefit of the whole. Most people are far too
> selfish for that approach to work.
>
> Facism however is the extreme end of capitalism with the state
> controlled by corporations. Ultra-right as opposed to ultra-left.
Now, see, that makes perfect sense: under communism,
the state as a proxy for the people controls all means of
production. Under fascism the state as a proxy for the corp-
orations controls all means of production. And since it is
illegal for corporations to have human ownership there is
created a perfect distinction between the two systems. &
since we have defined these two as the extremes, I sup-
pose anarcho-socialism, absolute monarchy, & Bread &
Circuses Oligarchy are all moderate systems, right?
(PeteCresswell)
>You mean you don't think we are already in a fascist state? The seeds
>for fascism were sown back in the 19th century in the US when
>corporations were upgraded to people status, then heavily fertilized
>when money was given the status of speech in political races in the
>late 20th century.
Seems to me that, in the absence of some countervailing power,
it's inevitable.
If there's such a thing as natural laws of power, one of them is
that power tends to coalesce/concentrate. Kind of the opposite
of the universe's tendency towards entropy.
Bigger corporations can buy more legislators more easily - and
then get them to change the laws to allow yet bigger
corporations.
Yeah, industry associations can exert influence too.... but it
seems to me like getting the best laws that money can buy becomes
more efficient the few players there are.
--
PeteCresswell
AMuzi
>> Well, you nailed one point. Communism doesn't work because it requires
>> that people work for the benefit of the whole. Most people are far too
>> selfish for that approach to work.
>> Facism however is the extreme end of capitalism with the state
>> controlled by corporations. Ultra-right as opposed to ultra-left.
Norman wrote:
> Now, see, that makes perfect sense: under communism,
> the state as a proxy for the people controls all means of
> production. Under fascism the state as a proxy for the corp-
> orations controls all means of production. And since it is
> illegal for corporations to have human ownership there is
> created a perfect distinction between the two systems. &
> since we have defined these two as the extremes, I sup-
> pose anarcho-socialism, absolute monarchy, & Bread &
> Circuses Oligarchy are all moderate systems, right?
From Bert Penn:
"Under capitalism, it's man against man. Under communism
it's the other way around!"
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
AMuzi
Since you bring SEIU into it, does Stern ride a bike at all?
dgk
It's illegal for corporations to have human ownership?
Norman
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:10:23 -0800 (PST), Norman
>
Yes, & that is why corporations influencing government
is nothing at all like people acting in concert influencing
government.
By the way, my favourite hobby is trying to nail jello to the
wall. How about you?
(PeteCresswell)
>Since you bring SEIU into it, does Stern ride a bike at all?
That one went right over my head.
Service Employees International Union? Howard Stern?
Don't think so.... -)
But what/who?
--
PeteCresswell
Edward Dolan
> that people work for the benefit of the whole. Most people are far too
> selfish for that approach to work.
>
> Facism however is the extreme end of capitalism with the state
> controlled by corporations. Ultra-right as opposed to ultra-left.
>
> As I recall, Communism was to evolve in an industrialized nation like
> ours, not a backwards agrarian state like Russia.
>
> I think, as things worsen in the USA, you may get to live under real
> facism. I sincerely hope not.
Fascism belongs to the left just as surely as does communism. Hitler came to
power under the auspices of the Nazis', a form of socialism.
Ideologies of the right began with the divine right of kings, not with
republican forms of governance. This is best represented by Louis XIV of
France, also known as the Sun King.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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(PeteCresswell)
>> That one went right over my head.
>>
>> Service Employees International Union? Howard Stern?
>>
>> Don't think so.... -)
>>
>> But what/who?
>
>See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Stern>.
I got it half-right....
--
PeteCresswell