Pot and Riding Bicycle are addictive

[TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Feb 5, 8:58 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 5, 3:48 pm, "Stephen!" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>
> > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

> > > And 90% smoked marijuana at least once.
>
> > That sound you heard was the point passing directly over your pointy
> > little empty brain bucket..
>
> Trying and addicted are two different subjects. What kind of nerd
> would never try it?

Pot is an American pastime, says this article...

"Researchers found that 42% of people surveyed in the U.S. had tried
marijuana at least once, and 16% had tried cocaine. About 20% of
residents surveyed in the Netherlands, by contrast, reported having
tried pot..."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1821697,00.html#ixzz1lcTxa44Y

Common sense, nothing to do, no bicycle ride, wife is bitching, so
let's smoke pot. Men are freer than women so a 90% of men who have
tried marijuana is believable. And not just the Liberals. Even the
Conservatives and Religious must have tried it. How can you otherwise
talk to God and be inspired by his words?

By contrast, see how in the Netherlands, where riding bicycle is a
national pastime, people try weed in a much lower number. Substitute
an addiction for another, one that also gives you a "high" but it's
cheaper, and the effects won't go away as quickly. Don't believe
everything you hear. Remember, everything is "smoke and mirrors."

But that's only my humble opinion.


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[Bill]

Getting stoned and then going for a bike ride is a truly wonderful,
enriching experience.

[Mr Benn]

"Bill" <retrog...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Getting stoned and then going for a bike ride is a truly wonderful,
> enriching experience.

How about drinking 10 pints of beer then cycling to work 3 hours later?

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Feb 7, 9:51 am, "Mr Benn" <inva...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> "Bill" <retroguybi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

I say that's the way to avoid a beer belly. Not incompatible, such as
tobacco. Beer is carbs, right?

I think the alcohol is not very good, but you can take it easy.

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

(There we go again... bicycling gives you impotence, a bad reputation
I'm happy to fight)

On Feb 7, 9:56 am, Crickets <bongblas...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> You girls may be pleasured by the bike but we males get our soctrum
> crushed - ouch!
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-143679.html
>
> ...In a bluntly worded editorial with the articles, Dr. Steven
> Schrader, a reproductive health expert who studies cycling at the
> National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, said he
> believed that it was no longer a question of "whether or not bicycle
> riding on a saddle causes erectile dysfunction."
>
> Instead, he said in an interview, "The question is, What are we going
> to do about it?"
>
> ..............................................................................
> How about find a nice nature trail and go walking and take a toke
> every quarter mile. That is, if you want children some day and no
> narkks are on the path.

I'm LIVING PROOF that the above may not necessarily be true. Yes, I
mostly ride beach cruisers (big seats) but I dismiss those which are
"too soft." I also own a recumbent --the ultimate solution-- in case
"things" start malfunctioning. By the same taken, the exercise on the
crotch area should help you be far better than the average couch
potato.

I'm happy to say that I'm a happy Tantra Master, which means that
quickies don't the job. My outings on bike though were quickies, but
now I'm riding over two hours a day --longer than Tantra sessions.

How do you become a Tantra Master? You need a partner to begin with...

(TO BE CONTINUED --OR NOT)

[Edward Dolan]

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[...]

> I'm LIVING PROOF that the above may not necessarily be true. Yes, I
> mostly ride beach cruisers (big seats) but I dismiss those which are
> "too soft." I also own a recumbent --the ultimate solution-- in case
> "things" start malfunctioning. By the same taken, the exercise on the
> crotch area should help you be far better than the average couch
> potato.

What recumbent do you have? Two-wheel or three-wheel?

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[David Reuteler]

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher <comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I say that's the way to avoid a beer belly. Not incompatible, such as
> tobacco. Beer is carbs, right?

i can assure you tobacco is not incompatible; at least if you're under 30.
most alleycat races should probably have a smoking section.
--
david reuteler
use...@lupercalia.com

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Feb 9, 10:52 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:37405a09-2892-4275...@rz3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
> > I'm LIVING PROOF that the above may not necessarily be true. Yes, I
> > mostly ride beach cruisers (big seats) but I dismiss those which are
> > "too soft." I also own a recumbent --the ultimate solution-- in case
> > "things" start malfunctioning. By the same taken, the exercise on the
> > crotch area should help you be far better than the average couch
> > potato.
>
> What recumbent do you have? Two-wheel or three-wheel?

I got this one....

http://www.sunbicycles.com/product_detail.php?short_code=EZ-Sport+AX&cl1=RECUMBENT

I've had for some 6 months but I came under attack the first time on
the road. It's not something to ride on sidewalks either. Hopefully
tomorrow I can have a long peaceful ride in a new location.

I also got the Sun trike, but that's something to kick back and relax.
It's actually fun though. This one...

http://www.sunbicycles.com/product_detail.php?short_code=Traditional+24&cl1=ADULT+TRIKE

[Edward Dolan]

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

<comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 9, 10:52 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:

[...]

> What recumbent do you have? Two-wheel or three-wheel?

>> I got this one....

>> http://www.sunbicycles.com/product_detail.php?short_code=EZ-Sport+AX&cl1=RECUMBENT

A good choice for around town short rides, but not good for long distance
rides. It sits you too upright and you will feel the seat sooner or later.
The trick with a recumbent is to get some weight off your butt and onto your
back. This means the crank should be almost level with the seat or only
slightly below the seat.

>> I've had for some 6 months but I came under attack the first time on
the road. It's not something to ride on sidewalks either. Hopefully
tomorrow I can have a long peaceful ride in a new location.

>> I also got the Sun trike, but that's something to kick back and relax.
It's actually fun though. This one...

>> http://www.sunbicycles.com/product_detail.php?short_code=Traditional+24&cl1=ADULT+TRIKE

I have got a trike very similar to yours which I use all winter long for
going to the grocery store. I had to raise the seat for my leg length and I
also had to make sure it was a 3-speed. Hauling a rear basket full of
groceries is a heavy weight and requires a low gear even on the flats.
Frankly, it is no fun to ride for recreation and I never use it for that
purpose. I call it my "utility trike".

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Feb 11, 3:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:78997491-a935-48ec...@f14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 9, 10:52 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > What recumbent do you have? Two-wheel or three-wheel?
> >> I got this one....

> >>http://www.sunbicycles.com/product_detail.php?short_code=EZ-Sport+AX&...

>
> A good choice for around town short rides, but not good for long distance
> rides. It sits you too upright and you will feel the seat sooner or later.
> The trick with a recumbent is to get some weight off your butt and onto your
> back. This means the crank should be almost level with the seat or only
> slightly below the seat.

Wow, I've never thought about that. But it was the right choice
because of the price and the fact that I don't have the privilege to
use a road long distance anywhere.

>
> >> I've had for some 6 months but I came under attack the first time on
>
> the road. It's not something to ride on sidewalks either. Hopefully
> tomorrow I can have a long peaceful ride in a new location.
>
> >> I also got the Sun trike, but that's something to kick back and relax.
>
> It's actually fun though. This one...
>

> >>http://www.sunbicycles.com/product_detail.php?short_code=Traditional+...

>
> I have got a trike very similar to yours which I use all winter long for
> going to the grocery store. I had to raise the seat for my leg length and I
> also had to make sure it was a 3-speed. Hauling a rear basket full of
> groceries is a heavy weight and requires a low gear even on the flats.
> Frankly, it is no fun to ride for recreation and I never use it for that
> purpose. I call it my "utility trike".

I got the choice to throw in a 3 or 5 speed, but so far so good. I did
some 16 miles on sidewalk the other day --no wind though. The seat in
either the recumbent or trike is awesome so I don't expect any
discomfort or impotence associated with it. They are wildly different
in an important way though: the turning circle in the trike makes it
highly maneuverable while the recumbent is just the worst bike to
turn. The recumbent is just impossible on sidewalks.

Like Gandhi did his experiments with the truth, I'm experimenting with
different bikes.

[Edward Dolan]

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

<comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 11, 3:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:

[...]

> A good choice for around town short rides, but not good for long distance
> rides. It sits you too upright and you will feel the seat sooner or later.
> The trick with a recumbent is to get some weight off your butt and onto
> your
> back. This means the crank should be almost level with the seat or only
> slightly below the seat.

>> Wow, I've never thought about that. But it was the right choice
because of the price and the fact that I don't have the privilege to
use a road long distance anywhere.

Why not take a week off and ride the "Bike Florida" some year on your new
recumbent. That would be a good test of its capabilities ... and of yours
too. And it would get you out of that fucked-up Miami area.
[...]

> I have got a trike very similar to yours which I use all winter long for
> going to the grocery store. I had to raise the seat for my leg length and
> I
> also had to make sure it was a 3-speed. Hauling a rear basket full of
> groceries is a heavy weight and requires a low gear even on the flats.
> Frankly, it is no fun to ride for recreation and I never use it for that
> purpose. I call it my "utility trike".

>> I got the choice to throw in a 3 or 5 speed, but so far so good. I did
some 16 miles on sidewalk the other day --no wind though. The seat in
either the recumbent or trike is awesome so I don't expect any
discomfort or impotence associated with it. They are wildly different
in an important way though: the turning circle in the trike makes it
highly maneuverable while the recumbent is just the worst bike to
turn. The recumbent is just impossible on sidewalks.

Sidewalks are never any good for cycling, except for extremely short
distances. You just need more practice in order to turn easily with your
long wheelbase recumbent. Our utility trkes are only good for running short
errands. They are no fun to ride.

>> Like Gandhi did his experiments with the truth, I'm experimenting with
different bikes.

A short wheelbase recumbent like the RANS V-Rex works well for in town rides
and is lots of fun besides.

Good luck with your bikes. I know from your posts how fucked-up the Miami
area is for cycling. It amazes me that there are is not a profusion of
bicycle trails in that area since the climate is ideal for cycling year
around.

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Feb 12, 6:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:bdc3ca88-4671-4973...@f30g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 11, 3:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > A good choice for around town short rides, but not good for long distance
> > rides. It sits you too upright and you will feel the seat sooner or later.
> > The trick with a recumbent is to get some weight off your butt and onto
> > your
> > back. This means the crank should be almost level with the seat or only
> > slightly below the seat.
> >> Wow, I've never thought about that. But it was the right choice
>
> because of the price and the fact that I don't have the privilege to
> use a road long distance anywhere.
>
> Why not take a week off and ride the "Bike Florida" some year on your new
> recumbent. That would be a good test of its capabilities ... and of yours
> too. And it would get you out of that fucked-up Miami area.
> [...]

I don't know. The Everglades are off limits, the Florida Keys are off
limits, so what's left?

>
> > I have got a trike very similar to yours which I use all winter long for
> > going to the grocery store. I had to raise the seat for my leg length and
> > I
> > also had to make sure it was a 3-speed. Hauling a rear basket full of
> > groceries is a heavy weight and requires a low gear even on the flats.
> > Frankly, it is no fun to ride for recreation and I never use it for that
> > purpose. I call it my "utility trike".
> >> I got the choice to throw in a 3 or 5 speed, but so far so good. I did
>
> some 16 miles on sidewalk the other day --no wind though. The seat in
> either the recumbent or trike is awesome so I don't expect any
> discomfort or impotence associated with it. They are wildly different
> in an important way though: the turning circle in the trike makes it
> highly maneuverable while the recumbent is just the worst bike to
> turn. The recumbent is just impossible on sidewalks.
>
> Sidewalks are never any good for cycling, except for extremely short
> distances. You just need more practice in order to turn easily with your
> long wheelbase recumbent. Our utility trkes are only good for running short
> errands. They are no fun to ride.

SIDEWALKS ARE THE ONLY WAY HERE, even in the presence of "bike
facilities."

>
> >> Like Gandhi did his experiments with the truth, I'm experimenting with
>
> different bikes.
>
> A short wheelbase recumbent like the RANS V-Rex works well for in town rides
> and is lots of fun besides.

I may get a trike like this instead:

http://trailmate.com/product.cfm?proID=25

I may use it up and down the only path nearby. I have many close calls
in my adventures and "the more you go to the mountain, the more
chances the tiger will eat you" (African proverb).

>
> Good luck with your bikes. I know from your posts how fucked-up the Miami
> area is for cycling. It amazes me that there are is not a profusion of
> bicycle trails in that area since the climate is ideal for cycling year
> around.

There are dozens of bike lanes, trails, paths and sharrows but... they
are never connected. They may count toward a grand total in some city
statistic, but they do more harm than good. Some of them leave you
stranded in the middle of nowhere with no particular place to go.

[Edward Dolan]

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

<comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 12, 6:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:

[...]

> A short wheelbase recumbent like the RANS V-Rex works well for in town
> rides
> and is lots of fun besides.

>> I may get a trike like this instead:

>> http://trailmate.com/product.cfm?proID=25

>> I may use it up and down the only path nearby. I have many close calls
in my adventures and "the more you go to the mountain, the more
chances the tiger will eat you" (African proverb).

You will never have any fun on that particular trike either. You need
something far better ... and lighter. The two main configurations of the
recumbent trike are the delta and tadpole designs. You need to do lots of
homework on both designs and get educated. I also urge you to consider
spending a bit more to get a really good trike that you will enjoy. Figure
on at least $2000. In the long run it will be worth every penny.

Catrike is makign some pretty good tadpoles for around $2000. Have a look at
them here:

http://www.catrike.com/catrikes.html

I have heard good reports on the Villager:

http://www.catrike.com/catrike_villager.html

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Feb 13, 2:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:698663fe-d594-4e22...@p12g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 12, 6:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > A short wheelbase recumbent like the RANS V-Rex works well for in town
> > rides
> > and is lots of fun besides.
> >> I may get a trike like this instead:
> >>http://trailmate.com/product.cfm?proID=25
> >> I may use it up and down the only path nearby. I have many close calls
>
> in my adventures and "the more you go to the mountain, the more
> chances the tiger will eat you" (African proverb).
>
> You will never have any fun on that particular trike either. You need
> something far better ... and lighter. The two main configurations of the
> recumbent trike are the delta and tadpole designs. You need to do lots of
> homework on both designs and get educated. I also urge you to consider
> spending a bit more to get a really good trike that you will enjoy. Figure
> on at least $2000. In the long run it will be worth every penny.
>
> Catrike is makign some pretty good tadpoles for around $2000. Have a look at
> them here:
>
> http://www.catrike.com/catrikes.html
>
> I have heard good reports on the Villager:
>
> http://www.catrike.com/catrike_villager.html
>

Again, my use will be limited to a small area for the foreseeable
future. Such a small but nice area is Hollywood Beach. Only 3 miles (I
think) but still much bigger than my area. That's where you see those
trikes.

Anyway I just posted this on my local forum:

Posted by somelady
Some places still don't have bike areas, so we have to drive it there.
But yes, I would ride my bike anywhere I could, if I could.

MY REPLY:

And they may not come in our lifetime. A good attitude though is that
we are ready if they come.

I'm kind of crisscrossing this town, but it ain't easy. I hear a
cyclist got hurt on Indian Creek and 41st. A pedal is still on the
ground.

We still drive to some areas to play it safe and avoid the struggle.

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

VERY APPROPRIATE HERE:

On Feb 14, 11:25 am, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 9:51 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > THIS IS THE QUESTION FOR ALL:
>
> > Is cycling so safe that you will take the kids with you?
>
> I have _always_ taken my kids on rides. Our son rode with us, in town
> and in the country, since he could balance. Our daughter rode even
> earlier, from age 3, as soon as she could reach the highly modified
> rear pedals on our tandem.
>
> Quit the fear mongering.
>
> - Frank Krygowski

Wait, you are being vague. Have you taken your kids on the roads
everywhere you went? I've never seen such feat in my life. ;)

But hey, I don't live in the boondocks. This is Miami Beach. Ever
heard about it? Well, it may be somewhat safer now in the area known
as South Beach (some 10 by 15 blocks) but I haven't seen a kid ever on
the street. I've seen a couple of kids in the Jewish town next to it,
and even so I think they are taking a big gamble. Perhaps you can come
and teach us what's the secret.

Look at the map, Collins is no-man's land, all the causeways are no
man's land, people simply ride on sidewalks.

You heard of Opus the Poet, of course:

"Anyway the same advice applies to the wreck that I gave before,
narrow lanes with high curbs and no place to get away from idiot
drivers make this a bad choice to ride on, unfortunately it’s pretty
much the only choice across the river for several miles in either
direction. Given an impaired driver there was no way for the cyclist
to avoid this wreck."

http://opusthepoet.wordpress.com/

***

Hey, "WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE." Go ahead and take the plunge, but
beware, just beware. You got to live and die anyway. Don't trust
unfamiliar territory, not even familiar territory. You may "bump" into
the wrong predator one day and you'll be a number, just a number in
the statistics. Once I came across a spitting driver on another
causeway, even more grinding, but I don't want to revisit the incident
now and get mad. Opus the Poet was the victim of one savage hit-and-
run. Nothing exceptional about it, hit-and-runs are rather the rule.
Wait, look on the bright side. You'll also be in the news and help the
ratings, and that's important. Around here is Channel 7, the channel
that not only gives the news, but makes the news. They ignore some
reality while feeding another story that is tragic. Every story is
tragic, but PREVENTION is common sense. Tell you what, right in front
of them the whole causeway is NO MAN'S LAND FOR CYCLISTS AND
PEDESTRIANS.

How about if we contact them and set up a demo ride, me taking the
lane, and the cars passing me at 50+ miles. Not that it's legal, but
that's the reality. I'll tell you more. The light cameras are just a
milking cow, a trap for unsuspecting drivers that otherwise can do
whatever they want. The sidewalks on bridges are 3 feet wide for both
CYCLIST & PEDESTRIAN, while the cars enjoy three traffic lanes all to
themselves. Talk about "lion's share."

And the ultimate joke: At the end of the winding grinding causeway,
all of a sudden, as if you parachuted out of the sky, you find the
"reassuring" sharrows (bike painted on traffic lane) right on a blind
curve. You would have to be retarded to take advantage of them. Never
seen anyone on them. That's a cruel joke.

Let me ask you: Do you understand the concept that life doesn't have
to be a constant struggle, even when trying to ride a bicycle and have
a nice day, just that we make it that way? We did 18 miles yesterday,
with no particular incident, but we had to follow the winding way. We
even rode another causeway that's under construction. It's so bad that
they have a sign that basically says, "Cyclists and pedestrians are on
their own." Yes, that construction has been taking place forever, for
months, maybe years. But there are many cyclists forced to follow that
causeway, and that makes a difference. "Safety in numbers," another
concept from the jungle.

Anyway, it's time for me to get out of the cage and go to the
supermarket. You don't need a superhero to do 4 miles, but if most
Americans did something like that the world would be a much better
place to live. We may at least have a COMMUNITY, not a rat hole.

And congratulations for having moved to a more quiet environment.
"When the mountain doesn't come to you, you move to the mountain,"
said the prophet. "Never mix the mice with the rats," says the Wise
TibetanMonkey.

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Feb 15, 6:20 am, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> rOn Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:14:52 -0800 (PST), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 12:11 am, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 14, 7:16 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On Feb 14, 4:04 pm, Frank Krygowski <frkrygowREM...@gEEmail.com>
> >> > wrote:

>
> >> > > TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >> > > > On Feb 14, 11:25 am, Frank Krygowski<frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >> On Feb 14, 9:51 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> >> > > >> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>> Is cycling so safe that you will take the kids with you?
>
> >> > > >> I have _always_ taken my kids on rides. Our son rode with us, in town
> >> > > >> and in the country, since he could balance. Our daughter rode even
> >> > > >> earlier, from age 3, as soon as she could reach the highly modified
> >> > > >> rear pedals on our tandem.
>
> >> > > >> Quit the fear mongering.
>
> >> > > >> - Frank Krygowski
>
> >> > > > Wait, you are being vague. Have you taken your kids on the roads
> >> > > > everywhere you went? I've never seen such feat in my life. ;)
>

> >> > > I have never taken my kids _everywhere_ I went, no matter what means of
> >> > > transportation I used. But with bicycling, as with any activity, I
> >> > > chose the surroundings to match their skills, and I helped them learn to
> >> > > increase their skills.
>
> >> > > So my kids didn't commute with me to my city-center job, or ride back
> >> > > home at rush hour on one of the busiest routes. But from an early age,
> >> > > they did ride to friends' houses or to playgrounds on their own. They
> >> > > rode across the suburban landscape on routes I suggested to get to
> >> > > distant parks. They probably did the same on routes that I didn't plan,
> >> > > because they confessed years later to wider, unapproved wanderings.
> >> > > They rode with us on country roads, and on long bicycle tours, including
> >> > > overseas. IIRC, their lifetime total injuries from cycling are five
> >> > > scraped knees between them.
>
> >> > > Quit the fear mongering.
>
> >> > > --
> >> > > - Frank Krygowski
>
> >> > I tried that with my daughter. That's probably why her mother would
> >> > keep her away from me, which ultimately led to our growing apart.
>
> >> So in that, too, you were not successful. You're in no position to
> >> give advice.
>
> >> - Frank Krygowski
>
> >Yeah, I do give advice. Either the bicycle or your kids. Try not to
> >leave them orphan either.
>
> Strange. My kids, living in Riverside, CA had bikes practically from
> the time that they could walk. they are all grown now but none of the
> them were ever injured on a bike, crashed and burned, evidenced any
> fear of riding. that is two boys and a girl. All intrepid bicycle
> riders, wheelie's. jumping curbs, all that stuff.
>
> Probably good genetics, eh?

Probably Riverside, CA, is --or was-- a nice and safe community for
kids to hang out loose. NICE COMMUNITIES TODAY ARE ALMOST SYNONYMOUS
WITH GATED COMMUNITIES. You do see a bunch of kids maybe getting
together and doing BMX, but that's not bicycling. They are simply
monkeying around and chances are they are poor kids who got no strict
parents --maybe in the black neighborhoods where they live more
"outside the cage."

I'd say kids truly "roaming free" would take a bike to school or to
their friends' house alone. What's the number for this? It must much
lower than the average adult population, which is already pretty low.

>
> >But do you have to show for your advice. The 99% of Americans that do
> >not ride bikes because they are afraid are not with you. That's why
> >they are talking revolution.
>
> Are you saying that 99% of the Americans don't ride a bike. That seems
> a little strong.... lets see.
>
> In 2007 the population of the US was 301,300,000 according to the
> Census Bureau so if 99% are afraid to ride that leaves 1% brave
> people, or 301,300 that do ride. correct?
>
> But the National Sporting Goods Association stated that in 2007 some
> 37,400,000 people participated in bicycling.
>
> Now there seems to be a bit of ambiguity here. You say 1% or 302,300
> and the Sporting Goods guys say it is 34,400,000, a fairly substantial
> difference, one might saw.
>
> The problem seems to be whether to accept the figures of the U.S.
> Census Bureau and the Sporting Goods Association, or the Tibetan
> Monkey.
>
> It appears that the American public is not as cowardly as you appear
> singularly intent on proving.

The American public is not cowardly, just cautious and wise. They
don't want to get hurt. The lower classes, who'd benefit most from
riding a bike, can't even afford to get hurt or go to the doctor. This
is typical class struggle where the poor is between a rock and a hard
place.

The TibetanMonkey sources are right. The TibetanMonkey never lies. The
TibetanMonkey is backed up by the infinite wisdom invested in the
Internet...

Let's see. I don't want to see the numbers of riders because that
includes a whole chunk of riders who use the bike for exercise and are
not interested in giving any PRACTICAL USE to the bike. Commuting is a
good way to measure those Americans committed to bicycling, and the
number is...

MY LATEST SOURCE TOLD ME THAT .4% OF AMERICANS COMMUTE BY BIKE, which
is consistent with the numbers broken down by cities:

"I want to detail bicycling and carpooling. First, while bicycling is
growing it still has the lowest share of any mode. While bikers do
comprise more than 5% of total commuters in the city of Portland, that
number falls to less than 2% for the metro area as a whole. Many
cities including New York fail to have bicycling commuting shares of
1% and many metro areas have bicycling shares below 0.5% including
Cincinnati at 0.1%."

http://reason.org/blog/show/americans-commute-differently-in-ce

Now figure that there's another minority --must be very small indeed--
that goes shopping with the bike. That would probably give you a
number under 1%. I go to the supermarket, which is nice and accessible
by bike, and there are few bikes out there sometimes. Perhaps the
ratio is 100/1 in favor of cars. Bikes don't have panniers or anything
to have a comfortable and safe ride home with, say, 20 lbs of
groceries. They are just improvised monkeys that hop on a bike and got
and get milk.

Imagine the revolution now and let's say the 99% they talk about were
able to at least go to the stores in their community, go to the parks
and theaters. Imagine that people don't count on being harassed and
looked down upon for riding a bike. Imagine communities that are safe
and full of people. Imagine no gated communities.

For this reason alone people would join the revolution.

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Feb 15, 7:54 pm, Frank Krygowski <frkrygowREM...@gEEmail.com>
wrote:
> Dan O wrote:
> > On Feb 15, 8:48 am, Frank Krygowski<frkrygowREM...@gEEmail.com>

> > wrote:
> >> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 15, 12:11 am, Frank Krygowski<frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> You're in no position to
> >>>> give advice.
>
> >>>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> >>> Yeah, I do give advice. Either the bicycle or your kids. Try not to
> >>> leave them orphan either.
>

> >> More fear mongering. I bicycled _with_ my kids. Still do, even though
> >> they are now adults with children of their own.

>
> >>> But do you have to show for your advice. The 99% of Americans that do
> >>> not ride bikes because they are afraid are not with you. That's why
> >>> they are talking revolution.
>

> >> Of the Americans who don't ride bikes, a large proportion are being
> >> needlessly scared away from them by people such as yourself.
>
> > ... because, of course, they're incapable of thinking for themselves
> > and making their own evaluation, so instead they take as gospel the
> > opinion of someone calling themselves "TibetanMonkey".
>
> You apparently missed the phrase "such as." Whether you're aware of it
> or not, there are plenty of people disseminating scare stories about
> riding bikes.
>
> In fact, it's far easier to find scare stories about biking than about
> walking or swimming; yet in the U.S. there are about 4000 pedestrian
> fatalities per year, about 3000 drownings, but only about 700 bicycle
> fatalities.
>
> So why should we put up with the biking fear mongers? Why _not_
> challenge them and their nonsense?

You all lack a plan to bring the 99% out to ride bike and enjoy life.
This is the approach of the revolution:

1- TAME TRAFFIC,

2- CREATE BIKE FACILITIES,

3- GIVE THE CYCLIST THE RIGHT TO TAKE THE LANE,

We need some strategy based on a combination of all three points. So
far the 1% lacks a plan.