I hate Harley Davidson!
Robin Hubert
The next time some idiot blasts past me and rips the throttle for my
amusement I'm going to knock them off their bikes at the next stop, if I
catch them. If these pukes keep waking me up every morning blasting their
over-priced noise-makers past my apartment, I'm going to take up street-side
protest with a sign that says "Harley riders are pussys!"
Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
Anyone else want to throw rocks at these idiots?
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kh6...@pe.net
: ... or at least, the image.
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: Robin Hubert <cv2...@earthlink.net>
They are annoying, but they are also very easy to share the road with when
riding your bike.
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Rick Onanian
wrote:
> Anyone else want to throw rocks at these idiots?
No, but I'd like to get a rice-burning crotch-rocket
and run circles around them.
> --
> Robin Hubert <cv2...@earthlink.net>
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> ... or at least, the image.
>
> The next time some idiot blasts past me and rips the throttle for my
> amusement I'm going to knock them off their bikes at the next stop, if I
> catch them. If these pukes keep waking me up every morning blasting their
> over-priced noise-makers past my apartment, I'm going to take up
street-side
> protest with a sign that says "Harley riders are pussys!"
>
> Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
> assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
Dammit, Robin, you're never going to get your point across until you learn
to just say what you mean!
Mountain Bikers Get It From Dirt Bikers* Too Bill
*there _are_ a few considerate ones, but far between it seems
Luigi de Guzman
> Anyone else want to throw rocks at these idiots?
Nope, not me.
Why?
1) Motorcyclists in general, Harley riders included, are usually
extremely polite to me. I think there's a certain cameraderie in
being on two wheels, exposed to the elements, and vigorously asserting
one's right to be on the roadway in the face of wave after wave of
Cadillac Escalades. (Trivia time: "escalade" is actually a technical
military term, referring to the taking of a fortress by storm, using
ladders to scale the walls. yuk.)
Heck, I even wave at some of them, and a lot of them wave back.
2) I'm generally in favour of more diversity among road-users. This
embraces motorcyclists, pedal cyclists, tractors, equestrians, etc.
3) Back at home, the motorcycle cops ride Harleys. I wave at them.
They wave back. They also wave me through intersections they happen
to be controlling. I know them all by face, and they know me by face
and bike. I feel safer.
I figure you merely encountered an asshole, and even my brief
experience on this world has taught me that assholes are more or less
equally-distributed among all walks of life and modes of transport.
That said, there is one regulation on motorcycles that I'd be keen to
introduce. Here in England, where I'm studying now, the law restricts
what sort of motorcycle you are allowed to operate at which age. You
are permitted to ride progressively more powerful motorcycles
(measured by engine displacement in cubic centimetres) as you grow
older. This is a fantastic idea, and I don't know why it doesn't
catch on in north america...
heck, I'd be all for instituting a similar rule on engine displacement
or power for cars, as well. That way, you don't have kids doing
stupid things in stupid-powerful cars, obliterating themselves and
endangering everybody else.
-Luigi
Luigi for Transportation Tsar: Fair and Balanced!
Boyd Speerschneider
one of the six billion
"Robin Hubert" <cv2...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Yep, I share your grievance, and I also think they're immature egotistical
idiots. The level of noise pollution from the Harley style bikes is
outrageous and actually violent. When they go by and my child starts
screaming I have to work to relax through my feelings of animosity. I also
have similar issues when the road racer style motorcyclists go screaming
past me on twisty mountain roads at speeds of 20-50 mph above the speed
limit.
Max
"Robin Hubert" <cv2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Anyone else want to throw rocks at these idiots?
I have noticed a tendency, when riding out in the country, for Harley
riders to coast the last half mile or so to me and then drop in the
clutch in a roar of backfiring fury just as they pass...
I find it exhilirating, and the pee in my bike shorts helps me stay
cooler.
.max
--
the part of <beta...@earthlink.net>
was played by maxwell monningh 8-p
Stephen Harding
> I have noticed a tendency, when riding out in the country, for Harley
> riders to coast the last half mile or so to me and then drop in the
> clutch in a roar of backfiring fury just as they pass...
I've never had problems with the Harley riders. Generally it's the
kiddies on the rice rockets that are the annoyance.
Had one child swing over into the wide road shoulder to come up next
to me, then give the throttle a couple screaming blips and roared off.
Had his girlfriend on the back so I presume this was supposed to be a
very impressive technical maneuvre in this dimwit's feeble brain. If
the babe was impressed, they deserve each other.
I do love the look and sound of a Hog though!
SMH
Alex Rodriguez
cv2...@earthlink.net says...
>Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
>assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
Have you tried speaking to your local cops? I'm sure your neighbors are
also annoyed by the loud noise they make.
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Alex __O
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(_)/ (_)
Bill Davidson
While I sympathize about the noise, it's not just Harley riders who
have inadequate mufflers. Most motorcycles on the road have them these
days. It's really annoying.
One thing I have noticed is that when a motorcycle is zipping in and
out of lanes through traffic and generally riding like a maniac, it
usually isn't someone on a Harley. For some reason, Harley riders
seem to be smarter riders than the average guy on a Japanese or German
motorcycle.
I think we do need to have and enforce tougher laws on the mufflers.
That protest sign is a bad idea. You will get your ass kicked.
--Bill Davidson
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Rick Onanian
wrote:
> While I sympathize about the noise, it's not just Harley riders who
> have inadequate mufflers. Most motorcycles on the road have them these
> days. It's really annoying.
Same problem, different reasons (read on).
> One thing I have noticed is that when a motorcycle is zipping in and
> out of lanes through traffic and generally riding like a maniac, it
> usually isn't someone on a Harley. For some reason, Harley riders
> seem to be smarter riders than the average guy on a Japanese or German
> motorcycle.
What we have here is two different personalities being compared.
First, harley rider:
-- Thinks he's a bad-ass biker dude
-- Wants others to think that he's a bad-ass
-- Loud muffler to bother people
-- Rides slow and safe because he can't go
fast and doesn't wear a helmet (at least, around here)
Then, ricer rider:
-- Doesn't care what others think
-- Is seeking thrill and excitement, is younger, feels invincible
(ever see one doing a 70mph wheelie for a half mile with
hundreds of cars and trucks surrounding him?)
-- Enjoys the noise for himself, doesn't care about others
-- Also thinks the noise alerts drivers to his presence when
he's in their blind spot (applies to some harley riders too)
-- An occasional ricer rider is like Fabrizio, and rides the
bike and all kit clothes to look cool.
These are my observations about motorcycle riders. I, personally,
see no point in riding a harley, just as I see no point in riding
a heavy, fat-tire MTB on pavement; if you're uncomfortable on a
road bike, a comfort bike or hybrid will work better. Just the
same, there are such motorcycles -- Honda Gold Wing riders look
very comfortable, are very quiet, and ride very safely. They're
just relaxing and enjoying fresh air.
> I think we do need to have and enforce tougher laws on the mufflers.
With some exceptions. I suspect that it's easy enough to use a
higher gear and be quiet when in residential neighborhoods; but
on the highway, it's certainly worthwhile to increase your
profile by being loud. I believe the noise does help, if ever
so slightly, with safety.
> That protest sign is a bad idea. You will get your ass kicked.
Speaking of safety, ass-kickage will definately occur if you
stand at the side of the road with that sign.
> --Bill Davidson
--
Rick Onanian
Rivermist
that they usually have a big belly and I don't.
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Pete
"Rick Onanian" <spam...@cox.net> wrote
>
> What we have here is two different personalities being compared.
>
> First, harley rider:
>
> Then, ricer rider:
Third - older harley rider
-- quiet (mostly)
-- sedate
-- strong self-preservation gene (riding to go see the grandkids)
-- generally courteous
-- usually a full dress rather than a rat bike
-- sometimes with 'older harley rider spouse' on the back, and she don't
allow any foolishness.
Fourth - BMW rider
---same as 'older harley rider', but even quieter
Pete
Mark Jones
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an exhaust system that is so loud. I don't care that this is
their well recognized sound, it should be quieted.
Rick Onanian
>> First, harley rider:
>> Then, ricer rider:
>
>
> Third - older harley rider
Usually converted to the Honda Gold Wing I described. ;)
> Fourth - BMW rider
> ---same as 'older harley rider', but even quieter
The ones I see around here tend to ride like ricers.
> Pete
--
Rick Onanian
Bill Davidson
> First, harley rider:
> -- Rides slow and safe because he can't go
> fast and doesn't wear a helmet (at least, around here)
Here we have a motorcycle mandatory helmet law so they wear crappy
skull-cap helmets. Harley's can go fast (just add oil after every
ride). I think these guys are just a little more into safe riding.
I think that is in part because they tend to be a little older than
the ricer set. Their bikes are also a bit less maneuverable than
most ricers.
> Then, ricer rider:
> -- Doesn't care what others think
Definitely not true. These guys are into image--just a different one.
> -- Is seeking thrill and excitement, is younger, feels invincible
> (ever see one doing a 70mph wheelie for a half mile with
> hundreds of cars and trucks surrounding him?)
Many times. Most recently last week though I think it was only
300 yards at the most.
> -- Enjoys the noise for himself, doesn't care about others
No, he thinks he's impressing people.
> -- Also thinks the noise alerts drivers to his presence when
> he's in their blind spot (applies to some harley riders too)
They say that but smart riding contributes far more to safety and the
noise doesn't always help. It certainly doesn't help on the freeway
when they're doing 95mph. Everything happens too fast.
Corvus Corvax
> That protest sign is a bad idea. You will get your ass kicked.
Since when would he get his ass kicked by a bunch of dentists?
CC
S. Anderson
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> > Anyone else want to throw rocks at these idiots?
> No, but there is really no excuse for allowing then to have
> an exhaust system that is so loud. I don't care that this is
> their well recognized sound, it should be quieted.
>
>
You know, whenever I hear a Harley with straight-thru pipes, I think of the
gas-powered sump pump on my uncle's farm...farting out that horrible
blat-blat-blat. I think he's had that pump since WWII....nothing like the
entrancing sound of a tractor motor clicking over at 1300rpm....
Cheers,
Scott..
re...@mailandnews.com
21-year-old William Harley and 20-year-old Arthur Davidson decided
they wanted to take "the work out of bicycling."
The first Harley in 1903 was essentially a bicycle with an engine, as
seen here:
http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/motor_cycles/2003/6/heroes_harley_davidson/
Robin Hubert
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> Robin Hubert wrote:
> > ... or at least, the image.
> >
> > The next time some idiot blasts past me and rips the throttle for my
> > amusement I'm going to knock them off their bikes at the next stop, if I
> > catch them. If these pukes keep waking me up every morning blasting
their
> > over-priced noise-makers past my apartment, I'm going to take up
street-side
> > protest with a sign that says "Harley riders are pussys!"
> >
> > Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
> > assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
> >
> > Anyone else want to throw rocks at these idiots?
>
> While I sympathize about the noise, it's not just Harley riders who
> have inadequate mufflers. Most motorcycles on the road have them these
> days. It's really annoying.
>
> One thing I have noticed is that when a motorcycle is zipping in and
> out of lanes through traffic and generally riding like a maniac, it
> usually isn't someone on a Harley. For some reason, Harley riders
> seem to be smarter riders than the average guy on a Japanese or German
> motorcycle.
>
> I think we do need to have and enforce tougher laws on the mufflers.
>
> That protest sign is a bad idea. You will get your ass kicked.
>
You might be right and you might be wrong but that's never stopped me and my
record ain't bad. If you're an asshole (not that you are) I'm ready to call
you on it.
--
Robin Hubert <cv2...@earthlink.net>
smokey
i wonder how many people in this thread are motorcyclists? i am, to
the tune of 250,000+ miles on several brands, including three harleys.
as in most other things in life, you will find most motorcyclists are
courteous to other road users, and there are a few bad apples that
often overshadow the good that other motorcyclists do. yes, i've been
irritated by harley riders, along with a few riders of other brands.
all towns have excessive noise ordinances. you should call your local
police dep't. to report your problem. trying to knock them off their
bikes or put up the sign you mentioned is a very bad idea and is
inviting a physical confrontation.
smokey
Bill Davidson
> Since when would he get his ass kicked by a bunch of dentists?
While I realize there's a lot of middle aged yuppies on Harley's
these days, the biker gang types are still on them too. I still
see them here in SoCal all the time. I sure wouldn't mess with
them.
Skokatt
> Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
> assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
>
Maybe those same tax dollars could enforce laws to force biking assholes
to add head lights, brake lights, turn signals, and higher gears to their
bicycles so that they could keep up with posted speed limits.
Please don't view this as a flame toward you personally... but as an
example of how people think other people's form of transportation should
be more like their own. A lot of the posts here talk of how motorist are
unaware of the lifestyle of a bicyclist, yet here you are applying the
same prejudice toward motorcyclist.
Just a thought...
--
- Chris -
www.skokatt.com
_____________________________
People say I'm cruel. But I have the heart of a small child.
In a jar. On my desk.
Phil
>Anyone else want to throw rocks at these idiots?
I was coming back from SD, to NY on my Harley, no, not from Sturgis, heading
east to Pierre SD(??) and passed a hundred or so bicyclists, a line which
stretched for miles. There wasn't a cloud in the sky, and I didn't see a
shaded spot all along the route and the temperature when I reached Pierre was
104.
I gave all the bicyclists plenty of room, and coasted by all of them with the
least possible amount of exhaust sound. As I passed I gave each group or
single rider a blip of the horn and a thumbs up. I told my wife, who was
riding with me on the back, when we stopped for a break, that I bet when all
the cyclists gathered at the end of the day they would say, " did ya see that
F'ing Harley guy giving us the finger?"
Of course I ride a bicycle too.
Phil
Harve...@aol.com (Harveywallbanger)
Robin Hubert
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> "Robin Hubert" <cv2...@earthlink.net> wrote in
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>
> > Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
> > assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
> >
>
> Maybe those same tax dollars could enforce laws to force biking assholes
> to add head lights, brake lights, turn signals, and higher gears to their
> bicycles so that they could keep up with posted speed limits.
>
> Please don't view this as a flame toward you personally... but as an
> example of how people think other people's form of transportation should
> be more like their own. A lot of the posts here talk of how motorist are
> unaware of the lifestyle of a bicyclist, yet here you are applying the
> same prejudice toward motorcyclist.
You are so wrong. Deducing that from my statements is quite a stretch! I
don't mind motorcycles at all, really. In fact, I personally love to ride
motorcycles (started when I was 14). What I mind is people whose egos are
so large or fragile or whatever psychological maladay they have that they
are readily willing to disturb other's peace and violate their rights.
Frankly, I don't give a damn what others do until it starts violating my
rights and reducing the quality of my life. Do you think I shouldn't have a
say about that, or is that prejudiced?
>
> Just a thought...
No offense (taken or given), but, think again.
>
> --
> - Chris -
> www.skokatt.com
> _____________________________
>
--
Robin Hubert <cv2...@earthlink.net>
Robin Hubert
> Corvus Corvax wrote:
> > Since when would he get his ass kicked by a bunch of dentists?
>
> While I realize there's a lot of middle aged yuppies on Harley's
> these days, the biker gang types are still on them too. I still
> see them here in SoCal all the time. I sure wouldn't mess with
> them.
Yeah, well, you can be sure 99% of these guys are of the more benign
variety. Aside from that, why does everyone feel it's their duty to warn my
of the possible responses to my actions. <sarcasm on> Ya know, I might've
never thought aggressive behavior might lead to conflict. Do you suggest I
hold a crumpet and tea party to explain my views to all these idiots?
Anyway, back when John Wayne was a hero I learned that you don't let
criminals run you out of your neighborhood. I laugh at fearmongers who say
"Don't say anything! You never know what they might do!" to anyone who
might be doing something wrong.
> --Bill Davidson
> --
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Robin Hubert <cv2...@earthlink.net>
Robin Hubert
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Hey, Phil, how well does your motorcycle comform with residential sound
pollution laws? What kind of decibels does it put out?
Another question, why does every Harley rider I see continuously blip the
throttle at stops? I recon it's a lot about puffing up the chest, or
flexing the muscles, or saying (like a child), "Hey, look at me!". (ok,
*once* I saw a female rider that didn't, while her boyfriend more than made
up for her) Alot of times I'll pull up to these guys on my bike, look at
them, puff up my chest, and pound on it like Tarzan, with each and every
throttle blip.
Wouldn't the world be a nice place if every vehicle on the road sounded like
a Harley (hear that shit roaring from a mile away), and everyone blipped
their throttles continuously at stops.
Give me a break. Most of you guys are jokes (not you, necessarily) and need
to live in Montana or somewhere they only infringe on the rights of moose.
Face it, this attitude is incompatible with modern urban living. And Marlon
Brando isn't cool anymore.
Oh, and for what it's worth, if bicyclists routinely wakened me from my
sleep (particularly if they all rode the same poser brand) and caused
hearing damage when the went past me on the road, then I'd post a similar
topic on them as well.
Also, just in case someone might consider me "prejudiced", maybe conditions
outside your bedroom window are different, but there are no rice burners
blasting down my street, hitting 3rd gear/45mph in a 30mph in one block,
from one stop sign to the next, rattling windows, scaring babies, and
generally disregarding the rights of others to live in peace and quiet.
Most of these guys are about riding the highways, not pretending they're
Marlon Brando or some cowboy.
--
Robin Hubert <cv2...@earthlink.net>
Phil
Their technology hasn't changed much. OK, maybe a little up till 1950
or so. You'd think crappy bikes would cost a bit less. I fail to see
the allure of such overpriced junk. Or why Harley riders never get
tickets for the noise laws they almost always break.
Rick Onanian
> The first Harley in 1903 was essentially a bicycle with an engine, as
> seen here:
>
> http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/motor_cycles/2003/6/heroes_harley_davidson/
Is that a suspension fork?
I think I have that same fork on my mountain bike.
--
Rick Onanian
Zoot Katz
<Xns93D01AD3...@216.168.3.50>, Skokatt
<chris@[no-spam]skokatt.com> wrote:
>higher gears to their
>bicycles so that they could keep up with posted speed limits.
Posted speeds are the maximum. You aren't obliged to go that fast.
--
zk
Rick Onanian
wrote:
> variety. Aside from that, why does everyone feel it's their duty to warn
> never thought aggressive behavior might lead to conflict. Do you suggest
Good point, but doing something that will result in a brawl,
even if you were trying to be peaceful and they attacked, is
bad for both groups. It makes the whole rest of the world,
especially the lawmakers who could possibly make a difference
(not that they would), think we're all idiots.
Also, a bicyclist with broken legs doesn't get far.
> Anyway, back when John Wayne was a hero I learned that you don't let
> criminals run you out of your neighborhood. I laugh at fearmongers who
> say
> "Don't say anything! You never know what they might do!" to anyone who
> might be doing something wrong.
That is a good point. Many of us grew up after John Wayne
ceased to be a mass-market hero [myself included], but could
stand to adopt a little bit of that attitude.
> --
> Robin Hubert <cv2...@earthlink.net>
--
Rick Onanian
Rick Onanian
wrote:
> up for her) Alot of times I'll pull up to these guys on my bike, look at
> them, puff up my chest, and pound on it like Tarzan, with each and every
> throttle blip.
This has got to be a comical picture. I'd love to see it.
Maybe I'll try it if I find myself in that situation.
> Give me a break. Most of you guys are jokes (not you, necessarily) and
> need
> to live in Montana or somewhere they only infringe on the rights of
> moose.
There are moose in Montana? I thought just cows there.
Moose are cool. I damn near got my Pontiac mauled 6 or 7
times in one week while in Maine...
Phil
> "Robin Hubert" <cv2...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:ih8Ya.103$M6.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
>
> > Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
> > assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
> >
>
> Maybe those same tax dollars could enforce laws to force biking assholes
> to add head lights, brake lights, turn signals, and higher gears to their
> bicycles so that they could keep up with posted speed limits.
Bikers are not required to have these things under the law. Posted
speed limits are limits and not requirements. You can't enforce laws
that aren't there. Motorcycles are required by law to have mufflers
and be under a certain sound level. Yet many if not most Harleys
are't even close to being within the law. That's what ticks many
non-motorcyclists off.
>
> Please don't view this as a flame toward you personally... but as an
> example of how people think other people's form of transportation should
> be more like their own. A lot of the posts here talk of how motorist are
> unaware of the lifestyle of a bicyclist, yet here you are applying the
> same prejudice toward motorcyclist.
>
Law enforcement is not prejudice. Well, ok, maybe the rest of his
rant was.
>
> Just a thought...
Mine too...
barry
>
> Give me a break. Most of you guys are jokes (not you, necessarily) and
need
> to live in Montana or somewhere they only infringe on the rights of moose.
> Face it, this attitude is incompatible with modern urban living. And
Marlon
> Brando isn't cool anymore.
***** Marlon Brando rode a Triumph in "The Wild Ones." *****
>
Chalo
> That said, there is one regulation on motorcycles that I'd be keen to
> introduce. Here in England, where I'm studying now, the law restricts
> what sort of motorcycle you are allowed to operate at which age. You
> are permitted to ride progressively more powerful motorcycles
> (measured by engine displacement in cubic centimetres) as you grow
> older. This is a fantastic idea, and I don't know why it doesn't
> catch on in north america...
Their formula would be inappropriate applied to Harley-Davidson
motorcycles, which have colossal displacement but usually feeble
horsepower. Further confusing matters is the fact that most Harleys
are quite heavy. Comparing an air-cooled Harley (1440cc, 700lbs,
55hp) to a Japanese race-replica streetbike (599cc, 400lbs, 95hp)
illustrates the point that displacement is not a good indicator of
power or specific performance.
As a plus-sized motorcyclist (2.04m/165kg), I suspect that getting
into motorcycling on a 50cc bike would not have been a reasonable
option for me. That requirement might have left me as just another
jerk with a full-sized pickup truck as personal transportation.
I started with a 1100cc, 150mph streetbike because it gave an
acceptable fit. I wound up crashing a few times due to its abundant
power combined with my lack of expertise, though. I would have done
well to start instead on a modestly-powered Harley, if such a bike had
been priced according to its worth. ;^)
Chalo Colina
Chalo
> One thing I have noticed is that when a motorcycle is zipping in and
> out of lanes through traffic and generally riding like a maniac, it
> usually isn't someone on a Harley. For some reason, Harley riders
> seem to be smarter riders than the average guy on a Japanese or German
> motorcycle.
H-D riders are, by and large, older than most riders of Japanese
motorcycles, but less experienced mileage-wise than most BMW riders.
Also note that Harleys don't "zip".
Chalo Colina
Eric
comes first). Sound drops off exponentially (sp) as you get further
from it. Since you are being lulled out of sleep by the bikes, just
imagine how loud it is for them.
And, to make it worse (for them), it won't just be deafness. They will
most likely have tinitus (sp again), a terrible ringing in the ears
all the time. Trust me, it isn't fun. I have a touch of it from
playing the trombone for years and working in rooms with cooling fans
running all the time. I can only imagine what will happen to most of
these people when they are older.
Eric
"Robin Hubert" <cv2...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<ih8Ya.103$M6.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> ... or at least, the image.
>
> The next time some idiot blasts past me and rips the throttle for my
> amusement I'm going to knock them off their bikes at the next stop, if I
> catch them. If these pukes keep waking me up every morning blasting their
> over-priced noise-makers past my apartment, I'm going to take up street-side
> protest with a sign that says "Harley riders are pussys!"
>
> Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
> assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
>
GRL
thing and, in fact, leads to accidents. The safest road situations (other
factors being held constant) are those where the traffic is moving and the
same speed or very nearly so. Large speed differences are a great way to beg
for accidents. You cannot seriously think that putting bicyclists and
agricultural tractors on a high speed highway with traffic flow moving at
70+ m.p.h. is a good thing.
--
- GRL
"It's good to want things."
Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"Luigi de Guzman" <luigi...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "Robin Hubert" <cv2...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> > Anyone else want to throw rocks at these idiots?
>
> Nope, not me.
>
> Why?
>
> 1) Motorcyclists in general, Harley riders included, are usually
> extremely polite to me. I think there's a certain cameraderie in
> being on two wheels, exposed to the elements, and vigorously asserting
> one's right to be on the roadway in the face of wave after wave of
> Cadillac Escalades. (Trivia time: "escalade" is actually a technical
> military term, referring to the taking of a fortress by storm, using
> ladders to scale the walls. yuk.)
>
> Heck, I even wave at some of them, and a lot of them wave back.
>
> 2) I'm generally in favour of more diversity among road-users. This
> embraces motorcyclists, pedal cyclists, tractors, equestrians, etc.
>
> 3) Back at home, the motorcycle cops ride Harleys. I wave at them.
> They wave back. They also wave me through intersections they happen
> to be controlling. I know them all by face, and they know me by face
> and bike. I feel safer.
>
> I figure you merely encountered an asshole, and even my brief
> experience on this world has taught me that assholes are more or less
> equally-distributed among all walks of life and modes of transport.
>
> That said, there is one regulation on motorcycles that I'd be keen to
> introduce. Here in England, where I'm studying now, the law restricts
> what sort of motorcycle you are allowed to operate at which age. You
> are permitted to ride progressively more powerful motorcycles
> (measured by engine displacement in cubic centimetres) as you grow
> older. This is a fantastic idea, and I don't know why it doesn't
> catch on in north america...
>
> heck, I'd be all for instituting a similar rule on engine displacement
> or power for cars, as well. That way, you don't have kids doing
> stupid things in stupid-powerful cars, obliterating themselves and
> endangering everybody else.
>
> -Luigi
>
> Luigi for Transportation Tsar: Fair and Balanced!
Rick Onanian
online.coim> wrote:
> and what not, they take it outside and the harley guy gets his ass kicked
> by a guy in pink and blue lycra.
Well, consider this about bicyclists:
-- The lycra gives us freedom of movement to fight
-- The legs are strong from bicycling
-- The feet have metal cleats on them.
--
Rick Onanian
Rick Onanian
> option for me. That requirement might have left me as just another
> jerk with a full-sized pickup truck as personal transportation.
What's wrong with a full-sized pickup as personal transportation?
Mine is a lot more comfortable than any car I've had, and
much more useful, to boot.
Though I probably wouldn't have it if I didn't also need it
for work...now I'm addicted and will never go back. Maybe a
second vehicle will be a muscle car, or a ricer.
> Chalo Colina
--
Rick Onanian
Rick Onanian
> for accidents. You cannot seriously think that putting bicyclists and
> agricultural tractors on a high speed highway with traffic flow moving at
> 70+ m.p.h. is a good thing.
No, I think the point he was trying to make was
that nobody should be allowed to go so fast. We
should all be slowed down to 15 mph so eveybody
can play nicely together!
--
Rick Onanian
Mark Jones
> example of how people think other people's form of transportation should
> be more like their own. A lot of the posts here talk of how motorist are
> unaware of the lifestyle of a bicyclist, yet here you are applying the
> same prejudice toward motorcyclist.
a Harley to be as loud as most of them are.
Mark Jones
news:oprtj9vc...@news.east.cox.net...
> Though I probably wouldn't have it if I didn't also need it
> for work...now I'm addicted and will never go back. Maybe a
> second vehicle will be a muscle car, or a ricer.
Not really as big as I want, but it will do for now.
When I want to drive something else, I drive my
1994 Corvette. It is faster and more powerful than
the old muscle cars and handles a lot better.
wmtt140
they don't won't the engine to kill. My neighbor has a new Harley and he
has to do the same thing to keep it running. I've seen him stall several
times at the stoplight down the street.
I used to work with a guy who loved motorcycles. I asked him why he had
Japanese bikes and not a Harley. He said as much as he liked they way
Harley's looked, as an engineer he could never buy one. The engines are
a piece of crap.
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Robin Hubert
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:23:39 GMT, Robin Hubert <cv2...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > up for her) Alot of times I'll pull up to these guys on my bike, look
at
> > them, puff up my chest, and pound on it like Tarzan, with each and every
> > throttle blip.
>
> This has got to be a comical picture. I'd love to see it.
Pretty funny, really. Rarely, one of these guys will have a sense of humor
about it. Most of 'em look confused and some get pissed off and rev it up
to show me up.
>
> Maybe I'll try it if I find myself in that situation.
>
> > Give me a break. Most of you guys are jokes (not you, necessarily) and
> > need
> > to live in Montana or somewhere they only infringe on the rights of
> > moose.
>
> There are moose in Montana? I thought just cows there.
>
> Moose are cool. I damn near got my Pontiac mauled 6 or 7
> times in one week while in Maine...
>
> > --
--
Robin Hubert <cv2...@earthlink.net>
Dick Durbin
>
> The next time some idiot blasts past me and rips the throttle for my
> amusement I'm going to knock them off their bikes at the next stop, if I
> catch them. If these pukes keep waking me up every morning blasting their
> over-priced noise-makers past my apartment, I'm going to take up street-side
> protest with a sign that says "Harley riders are pussys!"
>
> Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
> assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
>
Go check out rec.motorcycles.harley and look at the thread "Fuck Lance
Armstrong" to see what the Harley riders are saying about bicyclists.
Russ Price
> Go check out rec.motorcycles.harley and look at the thread "Fuck Lance
> Armstrong" to see what the Harley riders are saying about bicyclists.
Funny thing is, I've never had Harley riders hassle me on the road.
Indeed, the Harley types are the most likely to wave or give the
thumbs-up sign [1] of all motor vehicle operators I've encountered.
Then again, I ride a recumbent, so the "outlaw" factor probably comes
into play.
[1] For American values of thumbs-up. In the Arab world, thumbs-up is
like the US one-fingered salute, or the UK two-fingered salute.
--
Russ Price--spr...@fubegra.no-ip.org--kill the wabbit to despam
"The Segway: revolutionizing the way people get hit by cars."
-Robert Canon
Rick Onanian
wrote:
> The reason (at least some) blip the throttle at stop lights is because
> they don't won't the engine to kill. My neighbor has a new Harley and he
> has to do the same thing to keep it running. I've seen him stall several
> times at the stoplight down the street.
When I've dealt with cars that require you to use
the throttle to avoid stalling, I've generally
turned up the idle speed a little bit. Maybe the
carb / fuel injection on Harleys doesn't have an
idle setting?
--
Rick Onanian
Zoot Katz
<4f3a7375.03080...@posting.google.com>,
ddu...@tfn.net (Dick Durbin) wrote:
Mostly just the same stupid shit they spew as when drive their
pickemup trux. If they're dumb enough to ride Harleys, they're as dumb
as cagers.
--
zk
Rick Onanian
> Go check out rec.motorcycles.harley and look at the thread "Fuck Lance
> Armstrong" to see what the Harley riders are saying about bicyclists.
Just did. They're not such bad guys:
> Jeezus! Kenny Rogers on a bicycle? Like an olive
> skewered with a toothpick.
If they can come up with that, from a thread about Lance
Legstrong causing cyclists to come out of the woodwork
and ride track bikes on the road, then they must be worth
something.
--
Rick Onanian
Chalo
> Chalo <chump...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > option for me. That requirement might have left me as just another
> > jerk with a full-sized pickup truck as personal transportation.
>
> What's wrong with a full-sized pickup as personal transportation?
What's wrong with a 12ga. shotgun for kitchen pest control?
What's wrong with a claw hammer for dental extraction?
What's wrong with pepper spray for disciplining your child?
What's wrong with destroying the village in order to save it?
> Mine is a lot more comfortable than any car I've had, and
> much more useful, to boot.
When I need a truck, I rent a truck.
To drive one around, empty, as personal transportation, is to proclaim
that one's self-centeredness weighs at least 1/2 ton.
Chalo Colina
Luigi de Guzman
> > Fucking children. I wish my taxes would enforce laws to force these
> > assholes to muffle these over-priced ego builders.
> >
> > Anyone else want to throw rocks at these idiots?
>
> Go check out rec.motorcycles.harley and look at the thread "Fuck Lance
> Armstrong" to see what the Harley riders are saying about bicyclists.
Can't we all just get along?
So they're loud and obnoxious. Fine. But how *common* are they?
OK, so all the motorcycle cops I see are on Harleys. But I like
motorcycle cops. Who didn't, after seeing Erik Estrada in CHiPs?
-Luigi
too many reruns
Rick Onanian
>> What's wrong with a full-sized pickup as personal transportation?
>
> What's wrong with a 12ga. shotgun for kitchen pest control?
> What's wrong with a claw hammer for dental extraction?
> What's wrong with pepper spray for disciplining your child?
> What's wrong with destroying the village in order to save it?
Those items are on an entirely different scale.
>> Mine is a lot more comfortable than any car I've had, and
>> much more useful, to boot.
>
> When I need a truck, I rent a truck.
I find that, with my truck, I can easily pick up bicycles
that are in people's garbage, and save landfill space, as
well as the environmental contamination caused by the
grease from them in the landfill, as well as resulting in
somebody riding a bike instead of a car occasionally, as
well as somebody re-using an existing bike instead of
buying a newly-manufactured one (of which the process of
manufacturing causes much pollution and waste).
Additionally, when I or somebody else needs a truck, I
have a modern, efficient one that can carry big loads,
instead of renting a big, old, abused one that pollutes
and uses lots of dinosaur juice.
When I only need a car, well, my truck gets similar
mileage to any car I would drive anyway; you'll never
cram me into a compact. Muscle car, okay. Big comfort
car, okay. Either way, I'm not getting more than 20mpg.
> To drive one around, empty, as personal transportation, is to proclaim
> that one's self-centeredness weighs at least 1/2 ton.
The other issue, for me, is that it's a combined work
and personal vehicle. I do require it for work.
If I drove a seperate car for personal use, then I:
-- Have a second vehicle which was manufactured.
Manufacturing uses energy and pollutes.
-- Have to dispose of two vehicles, instead of one,
at the end of their useful lives...and believe
me, you get a lot more mileage out of a vehicle
than you do years, so one vehicle == less waste.
-- Have many personal and financial reasons to have
only one vehicle.
-- Don't have to use any special racks for my bicycles
when I need to transport them.
If I only ever drove it for personal use, then your
arguments would carry a little more weight; and
certainly many people do. However, a modern pickup,
even a full size, is scarcely different than a large
car, and certainly better than many SUVs that weigh
even more, have even worse drag coefficients, and
tend to be driven by people who really have no idea
that they handle differently and can't handle that.
Not to mention...some people very commonly need to
move large / heavy / dirty items for personal use.
I've moved two refrigerators in the past week on
personal time for personal purposes. Should I have
rented a leaking, polluting, wasting rental truck
with money that I'd rather not spend, twice?
Zoot Katz
Rick Onanian <spam...@cox.net> wrote:
>I find that, with my truck, I can easily pick up bicycles
>that are in people's garbage, and save landfill space
\szip
>I've moved two refrigerators in the past week on
>personal time for personal purposes.
\szip
la dee da.
I frequently carry home junkers with my bicycle. I've even taken two
at once.
Fridges? Don't need no steenkin' truck for that either, hero.
http://www.chicagocriticalmass.org/gallery/pianomove.html
--
zk
Eric Murray
wmtt140 <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
>The reason (at least some) blip the throttle at stop lights is because
>they don't won't the engine to kill. My neighbor has a new Harley and he
>has to do the same thing to keep it running. I've seen him stall several
>times at the stoplight down the street.
New Harleys will idle just fine. Your neighbor is a really incompetent
rider if he's stalling his bike. Also, lots of riders (and not just of
Harleys) blip their throttles at lights because they think it sounds cool.
>I used to work with a guy who loved motorcycles. I asked him why he had
>Japanese bikes and not a Harley. He said as much as he liked they way
>Harley's looked, as an engineer he could never buy one. The engines are
>a piece of crap.
There were some truly awful piece of crap Harleys in the 70s during the
AMF era. ( brass shift forks. plastic points cam. what were they thinking?)
Newer harleys are built very well. They do have some dated engine design
elements (i.e. air cooling, 45 degree v angle) but those are market-driven
limitations. Within their parameters they are pretty well engineered.
The new 'V-rod' harley is an attempt to address some of those issues.
Harleys are one of the few makes of motorcycles I haven't owned. I don't
like the looks of many of the new ones and the ones I have ridden haven't
excited me. But they're engineered and built as well or better
than any japanese bike.
Eric
Mark Jones
news:8b4b7de4.03080...@posting.google.com...
> When I need a truck, I rent a truck.
>
> To drive one around, empty, as personal transportation, is to proclaim
> that one's self-centeredness weighs at least 1/2 ton.
Mark Jones
> -- Have to dispose of two vehicles, instead of one,
> at the end of their useful lives...and believe
> me, you get a lot more mileage out of a vehicle
> than you do years, so one vehicle == less waste.
my car and truck. I just don't drive them very far.
Mark Jones
news:3f662391...@public-news.look.ca...
> la dee da.
>
> I frequently carry home junkers with my bicycle. I've even taken two
> at once.
> Fridges? Don't need no steenkin' truck for that either, hero.
Jeff
<rant on>
HD provides excellent customer service and care.
HD produces an excellent product. If you doubt it, buy a Harley today and
sell it 5 years from now for as much as you paid for it (try doing that with
your run of the mill car). In 10 years, you'll probably be able to sell it
for more than you paid for it. Furthermore, I've found their bikes to be
comfortable, highly customizable, and capable of surviving the abuse of a
new rider who didn't have a clue about what he (me) was doing.
If you don't like the way some HD customers use their bikes, I can agree
with that. Most of the HD riders I know, and I know many, are very
friendly, decent people - the type of folks you'd want to have as neighbors.
<rant off>
Have a great weekend. Personally, I'm looking forward to a couple of hours
cycling in Birds Hill Park tomorrow, against the wind and up hill all the
way.
Zoot Katz
<bh1fkp$nsd$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
dweeboid, "Mark Jones" <sp...@block.com> lamed:
I regularly carry a more useful loads with my bike than you've ever
moved in your plastic chebby.
--
zk
Rick Onanian
Eliminating one of those vehicles would save you a
lot of money, and would save environmentalists a
lot of heartache. I'm guessing that you only drive
when you need to carry a lot of people (car) or when
you need to carry bulky stuff (truck), and can't get
rid of either because the truck doesn't have a
backseat.
--
Rick Onanian
GregR
<frostb...@yahooSANSSPAM.com> wrote:
>Okay, as an alternative to the thread that's been going on and on and on...
>
>If you don't like the way some HD customers use their bikes, I can agree
>with that. Most of the HD riders I know, and I know many, are very
>friendly, decent people - the type of folks you'd want to have as neighbors.
><rant off>
>
>Have a great weekend. Personally, I'm looking forward to a couple of hours
>cycling in Birds Hill Park tomorrow, against the wind and up hill all the
>way.
>
Harley's are for fat, old men who are too lazy to pedal.
G
Mark Jones
> Eliminating one of those vehicles would save you a
> lot of money, and would save environmentalists a
> lot of heartache. I'm guessing that you only drive
> when you need to carry a lot of people (car) or when
> you need to carry bulky stuff (truck), and can't get
> rid of either because the truck doesn't have a
> backseat.
I do the car. The car is a Corvette with only two bucket
seats. Not going to haul much with it. The Corvette gets
driven about 2,000 miles a year and is something that
I intend to have for many more years.
Most of the time I drive the truck as my standard means
of getting around. I don't put enough miles on it in a
year for it to much of an environmental factor. It is rated
as a low emission vehicle with its V6 motor.
The truck has two small seats in the back, but I have no
need to haul people around so this is not a factor.
Mark Jones
This is normally done when I drive a long distance on vacation.
People are usually surprised at how much cargo capacity
there is in the back of one of these cars.
Have you ever hauled two weeks worth of groceries home
on your bicycle? My car can easily hold this much cargo.
I don't need to haul heavy loads in my car as I can use my
4x4 truck for this. If I saw someone trying to haul a heavy
load behind a bicycle, I would think that the person was
either a nut or a cheapskate.
My two bicycles are about having fun and not about using
them as primary transportation. I would never want to
be without a truck after owning one for three years.
Rick Onanian
> Wrong on all points. I drive the truck a lot more than
> I do the car. The car is a Corvette with only two bucket
> seats. Not going to haul much with it. The Corvette gets
> driven about 2,000 miles a year and is something that
> I intend to have for many more years.
That is an entirely different case. You said before
that you have a "car and a truck", not a "Corvette
and a truck". A Corvette is not a matter of conflict
with having another vehicle; a Corvette is not a
daily-use vehicle.
I wish I had a Corvette.
Hell, I'd settle for a Camaro.
--
Rick Onanian
Zoot Katz
Rick Onanian <spam...@cox.net> wrote:
>Hell, I'd settle for a Camaro.
Yeah, but then you'd have to wear a mullet or people would think you
stole the car.
--
zk
Bill Kizer
Give me a call - 760 518 2493 - WIld BILL CRACK HEAD!!
Mark Jones
> I wish I had a Corvette.
>
> Hell, I'd settle for a Camaro.
The Corvette is so much better that it is had to imagine.
Mark Hickey
>Dick Durbin <ddu...@tfn.net> wrote:
>> Go check out rec.motorcycles.harley and look at the thread "Fuck Lance
>> Armstrong" to see what the Harley riders are saying about bicyclists.
>
>Funny thing is, I've never had Harley riders hassle me on the road.
>Indeed, the Harley types are the most likely to wave or give the
>thumbs-up sign [1] of all motor vehicle operators I've encountered.
>
>Then again, I ride a recumbent, so the "outlaw" factor probably comes
>into play.
I once pulled up to a light beside the classic Harley, with the
oversized dude in leathers and the biker chick on back. My wife and I
were on our hot-cranberry tandem, resplendent in our lycra.
My wife looks over at the hog, and asks the driver "where are the
pedals?".
He laughs and asks me "well, where's your ENGINE?".
I point over my shoulder at Carol.
We all laugh.
I haven't ever had any "situation" with a motorcyclist - I think most
of them realize they have more in common with us than with anything on
four wheels. I do notice they'll go out of their way to make sure and
beat me away from a stoplight though... ;-)
Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame
Mark Hickey
>HD produces an excellent product. If you doubt it, buy a Harley today and
>sell it 5 years from now for as much as you paid for it (try doing that with
>your run of the mill car). In 10 years, you'll probably be able to sell it
>for more than you paid for it.
That has been the case, but I suspect that at some point in the not
too distant future the HD will no longer be the yuppy toy of choice,
and the value of a used V-twin will drop like a rock.
THAT will be the time to buy one (if you were ever so inclined). I've
owned a lot of other bikes, and now ride what I've always wanted - a
BMW K100RS. Wouldn't trade it for a V-twin anything - at least not if
I couldn't sell the V-twin and buy another BMW K-bike.
Zoot Katz
<j5sajvgq0dn3ip27r...@4ax.com>,
Mark Hickey <ma...@habcycles.com> wrote:
>I haven't ever had any "situation" with a motorcyclist - I think most
>of them realize they have more in common with us than with anything on
>four wheels
That's been my experience as well. I've no animosity toward them
having previously owned and regularly ridden motorcycles.
I'm almost disappointed when the hog-herders don't blat out a fossil
fart while passing me. I've become accustomed to that knowing they're
really cagers at heart and for most of the week they're just the same
kind of jerks but on four wheels. Nobody really ever goes anywhere on
a Harley except vacations and club runs. They're toys for poseurs now.
The majority of real motorcyclists who ride daily are usually running
small bore non-descript Japanese iron in the "cruiser" or "cross"
configuration or venerable old beemers.
One of 'em pulled alongside me in rush hour last week and said,
"Aren't you afraid to be out here?"
"No. Why should I be?"
"Well, these assholes don't give a shit for us" (I smiled at his use
of the word "us")
"These assholes don't give a shit for each other either", I said.
He nodded agreement and we rode along together sharing the lane for
awhile. I didn't ask if he was afraid or if he'd examined statistics
citing motorcyclists greater risk of injury.
--
zk
Stephen Harding
The appeal of the Harley isn't its technological wonders. Not especially
wondrous at all.
It's the mystique! There's a reason why every Hog sent for sale in Japan
is sold when it arrives. It ain't because it's a better bike than what
the Japanese produce!
SMH
Roadside Artist
"Stephen Harding" <har...@cs.umass.edu> wrote in message
news:3F364DD1...@cs.umass.edu...
| The appeal of the Harley isn't its technological wonders. Not especially
| wondrous at all.
|
| It's the mystique! There's a reason why every Hog sent for sale in Japan
| is sold when it arrives. It ain't because it's a better bike than what
| the Japanese produce!
You mean, it's a substitute for an adequate-sized dick?
The Roadside Artist
----------
www.roadsideartist.com
Hunrobe
wrote:
>You mean, it's a substitute for an adequate-sized dick?
In much the same way as much of what passes for today's representational art is
a substitute for talent, yes.
Regards,
Bob Hunt
Roadside Artist
mary wells-knecht
Totally ruins the experience of riding in the mountains when you get a large
group of these noise-polluting people approaching you. Not sure why these
riders think it is cool to pump out tons of noise. I guess they have the
same mentality of a child who attaches playing cards in bicycle spokes to
make noise so they appear cool. For a child it may be cool. For an adult,
it's just plain stupid.
"Mark Hickey" <ma...@habcycles.com> wrote in message
news:j5sajvgq0dn3ip27r...@4ax.com...
Mike Latondresse
news:oCwZa.3338$Ew5.2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
> Only problem I have with HDs is the noise (not all of them but
> most). Totally ruins the experience of riding in the mountains
> when you get a large group of these noise-polluting people
> approaching you.
A neat memory of mine is passing a strung out group of about 40 Harleys
going down something called North Mountain on the Cabot trail. They
were all single file and I passed them all going about 20k faster,
dangerous, a little, but fun....YES.
Stephen Harding
> | wondrous at all.
> |
> | It's the mystique! There's a reason why every Hog sent for sale in Japan
> | is sold when it arrives. It ain't because it's a better bike than what
> | the Japanese produce!
>
> You mean, it's a substitute for an adequate-sized dick?
That might be most of the explanation, although there are a
significant number of women who love Hogs too.
Why do some bicyclists wear jerseys from teams they are not
members of? Why would someone buy a Trek USPS frame if they are
not even on the team or don't even race? What was the appeal of
buying a bike with some road racer's name (Lemonde, Merkx) on it?
One need not focus on the motor vehicle industry to find examples
of image directing consumption in people so lacking in sense of
self that they allow others to define it for them!
SMH
Phil
> Okay, as an alternative to the thread that's been going on and on and on...
>
> <rant on>
> HD provides excellent customer service and care.
They better for what they cost and what you get.
>
> HD produces an excellent product.
Any gearhead knows better. Harleys are the most over rated
motorcycles on the road today. Mechanically, they are as advanced and
as reliable as an Edsel. Why people buy them is a mystery to me. I
always buy quality over image. Of course, most Harley riders are all
about image, obviously.
> If you doubt it, buy a Harley today and
> sell it 5 years from now for as much as you paid for it (try doing that with
> your run of the mill car). In 10 years, you'll probably be able to sell it
> for more than you paid for it.
I checked resale values and depreciation. Yes they are good in
percentage of original cost, but that pecentage usually adds up to
just as much and often more in actual dollars as the depreciation of
cheaper (and better) bikes.
>Furthermore, I've found their bikes to be
> comfortable, highly customizable, and capable of surviving the abuse of a
> new rider who didn't have a clue about what he (me) was doing.
>
> If you don't like the way some HD customers use their bikes, I can agree
> with that. Most of the HD riders I know, and I know many, are very
> friendly, decent people - the type of folks you'd want to have as neighbors.
> <rant off>
I don't want those noisy heaps in my neighborhood. Who does? I
could care less if they are nice people otherwise. If they break
noise laws, especially in residential areas, they are an ignorant
asshole, period. I have nothing against bikes and bikers that are
law-abiding and considerate to those around them.
Sorni
news:MPG.19a1966b3...@news.eastlink.ca...
> In article <bh3hen$foa$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>, sp...@block.com
> says...
> purchased it.
Um, a DEFORMED penis maybe!
Bill "those old funny cylindrical race cars from the 50's, on the other
hand..." S.
Phil
> Roadside Artist wrote:
>
> > "Stephen Harding" <har...@cs.umass.edu> wrote in message
> >
> > | The appeal of the Harley isn't its technological wonders. Not especially
> > | wondrous at all.
> > |
> > | It's the mystique! There's a reason why every Hog sent for sale in Japan
> > | is sold when it arrives. It ain't because it's a better bike than what
> > | the Japanese produce!
> >
> > You mean, it's a substitute for an adequate-sized dick?
>
> That might be most of the explanation, although there are a
> significant number of women who love Hogs too.
>
> Why do some bicyclists wear jerseys from teams they are not
> members of?
Jerseys are functional quality clothing.
> Why would someone buy a Trek USPS frame if they are
> not even on the team or don't even race?
Because they wanted Trek's best bike.
> What was the appeal of
> buying a bike with some road racer's name (Lemonde, Merkx) on it?
Also good bikes.
>
> One need not focus on the motor vehicle industry to find examples
> of image directing consumption in people so lacking in sense of
> self that they allow others to define it for them!
True, but you gave poor examples. Harleys are priced like the best
but are not among the best. That's why Harley riders are so easy to
make fun of. They pay a huge premium for the privelege of riding an
inferior motorcycle.
archer
prlun...@yahoo.com says...
> Stephen Harding <har...@cs.umass.edu> wrote in message news:<3F37846D...@cs.umass.edu>...
> > Roadside Artist wrote:
> >
> > > "Stephen Harding" <har...@cs.umass.edu> wrote in message
> > >
> > > | The appeal of the Harley isn't its technological wonders. Not especially
> > > | wondrous at all.
> > > |
> > > | It's the mystique! There's a reason why every Hog sent for sale in Japan
> > > | is sold when it arrives. It ain't because it's a better bike than what
> > > | the Japanese produce!
> > >
> > > You mean, it's a substitute for an adequate-sized dick?
> >
> > That might be most of the explanation, although there are a
> > significant number of women who love Hogs too.
> >
> > Why do some bicyclists wear jerseys from teams they are not
> > members of?
>
> Jerseys are functional quality clothing.
True, but why all the logo's of teams I'm not riding for? If I
advertise them by wearing all their logo's, they should be paying me, not
the other way around! Why can't I get that same jersey in a nice bright
yellow or hi-viz color without all the advertising on it?
....
--
David Kerber
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Lord, it's morning".
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archer
> Roadside Artist wrote:
>
> > "Stephen Harding" <har...@cs.umass.edu> wrote in message
> >
> > | The appeal of the Harley isn't its technological wonders. Not especially
> > | wondrous at all.
> > |
> > | It's the mystique! There's a reason why every Hog sent for sale in Japan
> > | is sold when it arrives. It ain't because it's a better bike than what
> > | the Japanese produce!
> >
> > You mean, it's a substitute for an adequate-sized dick?
>
> That might be most of the explanation, although there are a
> significant number of women who love Hogs too.
>
> Why do some bicyclists wear jerseys from teams they are not
> members of? Why would someone buy a Trek USPS frame if they are
> not even on the team or don't even race? What was the appeal of
> buying a bike with some road racer's name (Lemonde, Merkx) on it?
Or Bianchi? What about buying a car named after a person like an Olds?
There's nothing wrong with a person putting their name their product. I
agree with you about the jerseys, though; see my other post.
re...@mailandnews.com
wrote:
Police fear wurst, halt Wienermobile near Pentagon
MILWAUKEE - It's the most famous motorized sausage in the nation, but
even the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile can't drive on a restricted road
next to the Pentagon.
The crew of the 27-foot-long hot dog on wheels got grilled by police
when it mistakenly traveled on a road closed to commercial traffic.
Ever since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, Route 110 has been off
limits to vehicles with six wheels or more because of concerns that
someone could drive a truck bomb close to the home of the nation's
defense department.
So when the Wienermobile that departed from Madison, Wis., lumbered
down Route 110 Tuesday evening, a Virginia state trooper's eyes
widened. Perhaps expecting the wurst, he flipped on his flashing
lights and pulled over the lost dog.
Traffic on the busy road that runs along the Potomac River backed up
for a short time as people craned their heads and gawked, obviously
relishing the sight of the Wienermobile getting busted.
A passing motorist gave a frank appraisal of the sausage pilot's
gaffe.
“Everyone around here knows you don't bring trucks on that road, and
it wasn't just any truck, it was the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile,” said
Carrie Witt, who was driving to her home in Alexandria, Va., after
visiting a friend.
At the Wienermobile wheel were Will Keller and Paula Pendleton, both
22 and recent college graduates from Illinois and California, who had
just finished the two-week-long Hot Dog High at Oscar Mayer
headquarters in Madison.
Packed in the back of the Wienermobile, which will travel throughout
the East for a year, were boxes of Wienermobile whistles, Wienermobile
Hot Wheels, Wienermobile-shaped Beanie Babies and a karaoke machine
featuring the Oscar Mayer wiener and bologna jingles.
- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/weird_news/3517405.htm
Chalo
> OK, so all the motorcycle cops I see are on Harleys. But I like
> motorcycle cops. Who didn't, after seeing Erik Estrada in CHiPs?
Off'cer Ponch rode a Kawasaki.
The best thing about that show was the number of cars that exploded
into huge fireballs. If only 'twere so....
Chalo Colina
Zoot Katz
<MPG.19a1aec...@news.east.cox.net>, archer
<ns_archer1960@ns_hotmail.com> wrote:
>Why can't I get that same jersey in a nice bright
>yellow or hi-viz color without all the advertising on it?
You can. Just look around. There's even a few with some tastefully
artsy designs instead of the cartoon type motifs.
--
zk
Bill Davidson
> Why do some bicyclists wear jerseys from teams they are not
> members of?
The same reason people wear jerseys from their favorite football,
basketball and baseball teams. I admit the advertising does make
it seem more crass and I personally would never do it but some
people seem to like it. I can't see paying the extra high prices
they pay for these things when you can get clothes of the same
quality without all the ugly advertising for less money but that's
just me.
> Why would someone buy a Trek USPS frame if they are
> not even on the team or don't even race? What was the appeal of
> buying a bike with some road racer's name (Lemonde, Merkx) on it?
They are good bikes in the same price range as similar quality bikes.
Why not get them if one is in the market for that type of bike and
has the budget for it?
--Bill Davidson
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Zoot Katz
<MPG.19a1af6...@news.east.cox.net>, archer
<ns_archer1960@ns_hotmail.com> wrote:
>There's nothing wrong with a person putting their name their product.
What if it's not their product at all?
Bob M
wrote:
> Stephen Harding wrote:
>> Why do some bicyclists wear jerseys from teams they are not
>> members of?
>
> The same reason people wear jerseys from their favorite football,
> basketball and baseball teams. I admit the advertising does make
> it seem more crass and I personally would never do it but some
> people seem to like it. I can't see paying the extra high prices
> they pay for these things when you can get clothes of the same
> quality without all the ugly advertising for less money but that's
> just me.
>
> > Why would someone buy a Trek USPS frame if they are
>> not even on the team or don't even race? What was the appeal of
>> buying a bike with some road racer's name (Lemonde, Merkx) on it?
>
> They are good bikes in the same price range as similar quality bikes.
> Why not get them if one is in the market for that type of bike and
> has the budget for it?
>
> --Bill Davidson
I bought a LeMond for its geometry. It puts you further back behind the
pedals, which I like and was not possible with my Trek.
--
Bob M in CT
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Rick Onanian
online.coim> wrote:
>> The Corvette is so much better that it is had to imagine.
>
> purchased it.
I can't imagine a penis shaped like that...but if
that's what yours is like, well, good for you. You
might consider a freak show. <G>
--
Rick Onanian
David Kerber
zoot...@operamail.com says...
Can you point out any to me? I couldn't find many in Nashbar or
Performance. There are lots of cheaper (in quality) ones around. Most
of the high-quality ones I've seen have the logos and ads on them.
--
Dave Kerber
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David Kerber
zoot...@operamail.com says...
> Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:50:04 -0400,
> <MPG.19a1af6...@news.east.cox.net>, archer
> <ns_archer1960@ns_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >There's nothing wrong with a person putting their name their product.
>
> What if it's not their product at all?
Well then it's just stupid. Marketing actually, if there's a difference
<G,D&R>
> http://www.cervelo.com/images/lyne_bessette_finis.jpg
That's not a LeMond bike? There's no way I could tell just by looking.
Russ Price
> Police fear wurst, halt Wienermobile near Pentagon
>
> MILWAUKEE - It's the most famous motorized sausage in the nation, but
> even the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile can't drive on a restricted road
> next to the Pentagon.
I wonder if any of the recumbent streamliner pilots have approached
Oscar Mayer about building an HPW (Human Powered Wienermobile)?
--
Russ Price--spr...@fubegra.no-ip.org--kill the wabbit
"...remember that shrink-wrapping the average stick-built suburban bung-
alow against anthrax, VX and radioactive fallout is akin to rolling a
rubber on before diving naked into a shark tank full of blood." -Patrick O'Grady
Zoot Katz
<MPG.19a2079c2...@news.ids.net>, David Kerber
<ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote:
>In article <3f3ff2a3...@public-news.look.ca>,
>zoot...@operamail.com says...
>> Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:47:13 -0400,
>> <MPG.19a1aec...@news.east.cox.net>, archer
>> <ns_archer1960@ns_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Why can't I get that same jersey in a nice bright
>> >yellow or hi-viz color without all the advertising on it?
>>
>> You can. Just look around. There's even a few with some tastefully
>> artsy designs instead of the cartoon type motifs.
>
>Can you point out any to me? I couldn't find many in Nashbar or
>Performance. There are lots of cheaper (in quality) ones around. Most
>of the high-quality ones I've seen have the logos and ads on them.
The maker's logo is fairly discreet but they all have one.
http://www.sugoi.ca/sugoimain/main.aspx?sectionID=446
http://tinyurl.com/jpwc
REI and MEC sell some plain jerseys.
Hind, Pearl Izumi, Zoic, Canari, Cannondale, Descente. . . etc. They
all make lots of plain ones
http://tinyurl.com/jpx6
--
zk
Zoot Katz
<MPG.19a20876e...@news.ids.net>, David Kerber
<ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote:
>> http://www.cervelo.com/images/lyne_bessette_finis.jpg
>
>That's not a LeMond bike? There's no way I could tell just by looking.
It's always been the case with many factory sponsored teams. The
frames are built by hand by masters and painted to look like the
production bikes.
--
zk
Pete
"Kevan Smith" <kevans...@yahoo.c0/\/\> wrote in message
news:bdjgjvce7l0cus9m5...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:40:15 GMT, Russ Price
<sprocke...@fubegra.no-ip.org>
> from Flood Control Dam Number Three wrote:
>
> >I wonder if any of the recumbent streamliner pilots have approached
> >Oscar Mayer about building an HPW (Human Powered Wienermobile)?
>
>
> Ba Da Bing!
>
> Thank you. I'm here all week.
Don't give up your day job.
Pete
Hunrobe
wrote in part:
>One need not focus on the motor vehicle industry to find examples
>of image directing consumption in people so lacking in sense of
>self that they allow others to define it for them!
OTOH, some of us just like the looks of some teams' uniforms.
Regards,
Bob Hunt
Fabrizio Mazzoleni
Stephen Harding wrote in message <3F37846D...@cs.umass.edu>...
>What was the appeal of buying a bike with some
>road racer's name (Lemonde, Merkx) on it?
Stevie, when was the last time you had a
good bowel movement?
Ryan Cousineau
"mary wells-knecht" <kmluv2ta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Only problem I have with HDs is the noise (not all of them but most).
> Totally ruins the experience of riding in the mountains when you get a large
> group of these noise-polluting people approaching you. Not sure why these
> riders think it is cool to pump out tons of noise. I guess they have the
> same mentality of a child who attaches playing cards in bicycle spokes to
> make noise so they appear cool. For a child it may be cool. For an adult,
> it's just plain stupid.
In fairness to the Motor Company (though not the riders) stock Harleys
are incredibly quiet. The bad news is that almost no riders leave them
stock.
--
Ryan Cousineau, rcou...@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club