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Dutch Spud

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Apr 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/11/95
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Here we go again...

OK, I finally did it. I shaved my legs before my Sunday morning ride.
All the typical reasons apply, but somebody else said it best when
they said it just looks cool. All the non-riders at work think all the
typical reasons are just a cover for the "real" reasons, which are no
doubt prurient and lead directly to whips, bondage, etc.

My wife is a tad weirded out by it and won't even touch them. A woman at
work says she wouldn't want her husband to do it because she likes running
her hands through his body hair. Hmmmmm, my pre-shave thoughts about it
were that it would not matter to wives or SOs, or that they might even
like it (assuming the stubble factor was kept under control). But that's
only my opinion, I could be wrong.

So I'm posting this to the net for feedback. I know a lot of male
bicyclists shave their legs, but what do wives/lovers/SOs think about it?
Do you like it, does it look/feel good, do you help with the shaving? Or
is it a turn-off, do you expect men to have hair on their legs?

Replies welcome from all recognized sexes.

Jeff Dykzeul
South Bay Wheelmen
Redondo Beach, CA

KWLyon

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Apr 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/11/95
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You what! You shaved your legs? Arghhhhhh!

More seriously, all you have to do is wait until you get older and your
legs will get bare all by themselves, starting from the bottom & going up.

Ken, 53-year-old guy who has enuf hair loss problems w/o exacerbating the
situation intentionally. (You really SHAVED YOUR LEGS? Ugh!)


Robert A. Mina

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Apr 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/12/95
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Well....as long as my legs are kept smooth, so far the only attention I've
gotten has been that of "Hey...your legs are smoother than mine!" Never had
any complaints from past gf's.....except when the stubble got bad. :)

In any case, who cares what they think? If you race, you need to shave.
Only one crash with hairly legs will convice you of that.

R.Mina
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (whew!) Cycling Team


Ray Ruyack

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Apr 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/12/95
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Been shaving them for 3 years now and my wife has grown accustomed to it.
She finds it amusing when other women look at my hairless legs. Last
year, during a Walkathon, my wife and 4 of her friends were behind me and
were admiring my legs, they had all sorts of questions about how I got
them so smooth-looking and such. I also had a women stare at my legs for
30 mins during a train ride (Carson City cowboy place in upstate NY) like
she was in a trance.

Hey, it looks good.
RayRuyack Computer Systems Manager
Dobbs Ferry U.F.S.D. Dobbs Ferry, NY 10522
Member: Team@Internet RayR...@aol.com

M Dolenga

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Apr 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/12/95
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In article <3mgjli$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, rayr...@aol.com (Ray
Ruyack) wrote:

>I also had a women stare at my legs for
> 30 mins during a train ride (Carson City cowboy place in upstate NY) like
> she was in a trance.


It's when they stare at your hairy legs that you should pat yourself on the
back, IMO.


Mike

Keel Ross

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Apr 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/12/95
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In article <3mfgak$e...@usenet.rpi.edu>, mi...@cortez.its.rpi.edu (Robert A. Mina) says:
>Well....as long as my legs are kept smooth, so far the only attention I've
>gotten has been that of "Hey...your legs are smoother than mine!" Never had
>any complaints from past gf's.....except when the stubble got bad. :)


I've had the same happen to me. Women usally ask me how I get my legs
so smooth and are rather intrigued. Never had a problem with any gfs.
Usually the are amazed when I tell them I use a disposable facial razor
and just soap in the shower to do the shaving.

Keel

Matt Agnew

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Apr 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/12/95
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Keel Ross (rosskl95%cs23%us...@cadetmail.usafa.af.mil) wrote:
<snip>

I've considered shaving but: A) I don't race (but am fall-prone) and B)
Have really hairy legs. How often does one hafta do the dirty deed to
keep from getting offensively stubbly? On a dare from a girlfriend once
I shaved, ahem, a more sensitive spot (please, don't ever dare me to do
ANYTHING, I'm REAL stupid). As the hair grew back, it decided to start
curling before exiting the surface of the skin. The thought of this
happening all over my legs is, needless to say, not real appealing.
Shaved legs look sexy, ingrown hairs are not! Anybody had any bad
experiences? I wear shorts at work all summer (mailman) and don't want
to look like I've got a bad case of chicken pox.
What's the best way to remove the bulk of the hair the first time
one shaves? I've shaved off beards twice and it was a real pain -
clipping as much as possible and then saying "ow" a lot.

Thanks to the feller that started this thread - I've always wanted to
know, but never had the guts to ask the guys in the local bike shop.

-Magnew


eff...@sirius.com

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Apr 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/13/95
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> ken...@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kenneth H. Liao) writes:
> I shave my legs...been shaving them for quite a while actually. Never
> been a problem with my girlfriend. She actually thinks it's sexy, as was
> the case before I met her (other women that is).
>
> Kenneth Liao
>
>>>>
I didn't see any responses from females here, so I thought I'd give my opinion.
I think its sexy. Not so much that there isn't any hair on your legs, but that a
guy actually has the guts to do it!! Don't pay any attention to the whiny boys
who are too scared to do it themselves. Most girls I know either don't mind, think
its sexy, or expect it from their guys that bike.

JMHO,
-Lea


Kenneth H. Liao

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Apr 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/13/95
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>I didn't see any responses from females here, so I thought I'd give my
opinion.
>I think its sexy. Not so much that there isn't any hair on your legs,
but that a
>guy actually has the guts to do it!! Don't pay any attention to the
whiny boys
>who are too scared to do it themselves. Most girls I know either don't
mind, think
>its sexy, or expect it from their guys that bike.
>
>JMHO,
>-Lea
>

I'm glad that there are some women who are actually putting their input
into this. I forgot to mention that I was teased a little in high school
by my football teammates because I had no hair on my legs--but that
quickly passed away as they saw that people actually enjoyed my legs that
way.

Kenny

Kenneth H. Liao

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Apr 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/13/95
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Dan Langille

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Apr 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/14/95
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magnew@sequoia (Matt Agnew) wrote:


> How often does one hafta do the dirty deed to
> keep from getting offensively stubbly?

It depends on how fast it grows. When I used an electric, it was
twice a week. The advantage of the electric was I could do it when
watching TV or reading the paper.

> Shaved legs look sexy, ingrown hairs are not!

Try using a loofa (it's a sponge-like material). But use it dry. Don't
be tempted to wet the loofa first. It's *like* sandpaper but it just
scrapes the skin off. That will stop the ingrowns.


> What's the best way to remove the bulk of the hair the first time
> one shaves?

Electric hair clippers.


Also, you might want to try waxing. It lasts much longer. About 4 weeks
or more. The first two treatments will be closer together. Hair grows
then falls out. Two treatments closer together will get all the hair
on the same growth cycle. Waxing is more intense. But the pain is
worth it. Much less hassle than shaving.


BTW, FWIW, most guys who shave, do it for ego reasons. It *looks* good.
Anything else is just a side benefit. Sure, they might *claim* it's for
damage control, or for massage (all valid reasons <g>). But it boils down
to looks.

And it is true. I remember a rec ride where afterwards, a female friend
told me about 2 other females asking here about the guys that shaved
their legs. They agreed it showed the muscles off! Why do you think
it's done for body building???? For show...

So: you gunna give it a go? Northern summer ain't far off.

DTM

Dan Langille

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Apr 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/14/95
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Dan Langille

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Jeffrey R. Broido

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Apr 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/15/95
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In article <3mechb$n...@hacgate2.hac.com>, j...@mass.rsg.hac.com (Dutch Spud) says:

>... So I'm posting this to the net for feedback. I know a lot of male

>bicyclists shave their legs, but what do wives/lovers/SOs think about it?
>Do you like it, does it look/feel good, do you help with the shaving? Or
>is it a turn-off, do you expect men to have hair on their legs?

I won't do it, myself. I'm very hairy, and this would make me look
inconsistent, this unless I shaved my whole body. I don't think it looks
particularly good, and discount the aerodynamic argument.
Jeff

_____________________________________________________________
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Morristown, NJ in this Assembly."

Dan Langille

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Apr 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/15/95
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Sorry about the triple posting....

dtm

Jeffrey R. Broido

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Apr 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/16/95
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In article <3mfgak$e...@usenet.rpi.edu>, mi...@cortez.its.rpi.edu (Robert A. Mina) says:
>
>...If you race, you need to shave. Only one crash with hairly legs will
>convice you of that.

What's the effect that hairy legs have on crashing?

Greg Feder

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Apr 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/17/95
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bro...@gti.net writes:
>
> What's the effect that hairy legs have on crashing?
> Jeff

Try picking gravel and other road junk out of a hairy leg and
cleaning it, and THEN try getting a bandage to stick. It's a
post crash thing, or maybe you knew that. :)

Greg
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William Murphy

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Apr 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/17/95
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gs...@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Greg Feder) writes:

>bro...@gti.net writes:
>>
>> What's the effect that hairy legs have on crashing?
>> Jeff

>Try picking gravel and other road junk out of a hairy leg and
>cleaning it, and THEN try getting a bandage to stick. It's a
>post crash thing, or maybe you knew that. :)

Information gleaned from infamous Nazi medical experiments demonstrated that
hairless cadavers thrown from moving vehicles sustained less abrasion than
those with hair. Plus the previously mentioned post crash benefits.

Will

John Vance

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Apr 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/17/95
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Greg Feder wrote:
>bro...@gti.net writes:
>>
>> What's the effect that hairy legs have on crashing?
>> Jeff
>
>Try picking gravel and other road junk out of a hairy leg and
>cleaning it, and THEN try getting a bandage to stick. It's a
>post crash thing, or maybe you knew that. :)
>

Actually, the few times I've gone down and lost major skin, the
hair came off as well. As for the hair on the undamaged skin
around the roadrash, I just shaved where the adhesive tape would go.
Shaving legs in preparation for crashing, IMHO, is kinda like putting
a condom on before picking up your date.

Shaving does make sunscreen go on easier, and it _seems_ to help
cooling because sweat plasters to the skin rather than beading around
the hair.


John Vance


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Robert Longfield

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Apr 18, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/18/95
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Greg Feder (gs...@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
> bro...@gti.net writes:
> >
> > What's the effect that hairy legs have on crashing?
> > Jeff

> Try picking gravel and other road junk out of a hairy leg and
> cleaning it, and THEN try getting a bandage to stick. It's a
> post crash thing, or maybe you knew that. :)

Also I found that I healed faster and had less infections when my legs
were shaved! I have a question for all you leg shavers, How far up do
you shave you legs???? I go just beyond the shorts level (everyday
shorts) Is this weird?? Having no girl friend I have no input into
this area :)
ROB

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Roger Marquis

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Apr 18, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/18/95
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Greg Feder (gs...@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
>bro...@gti.net writes:
>> What's the effect that hairy legs have on crashing?

Shaving actually reduces the probability of crashing. At least you'd
think so from comparing crashes per mile between riders who shave and
those who don't. Perhaps this is because hard core riders are more
likely to shave but then again it could be that the professional image
and self confidence fostered by shaven legs contributes to more skilled
riding.

>Try picking gravel and other road junk out of a hairy leg and
>cleaning it, and THEN try getting a bandage to stick. It's a
>post crash thing, or maybe you knew that. :)

True, but then again how often do you crash? With the popularity of
MTBs this may be more of an issue. I know I've crashed in 4 of the
last 5 MTB races (and had fun doing it ;-).

IMHO, the real benefits of shaving are:

1) Psychological. See http://www.roble.com/marquis/psychology
for more on this, and

2) Cleanliness. All that sunscreen, heat rub, oil, ... is much
easier to remove from hairless skin. Obviously this is less of
an issue for non-racers.

The trick to shaving, like anything, is to make it easy and quick. Use
a slightly dulled razor (to avoid cuts and razor burn) and warm soapy
water. Don't forget to clean the bathtub ;-) and rub down with alcohol
and moisturizer afterwards.

I highly reccomend shaving to anyone who's looking for a good source of
motivation. It feels good and looks cool^H^H^H^Hprofessional!

Roger Marquis

John Vance

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Apr 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/19/95
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In article <3mvbf4$s...@hearst.cac.psu.edu>,
Matthew Donadio <don...@mxd120.rh.psu.edu> wrote:
>You're wrong, you're all wrong. As one who has become elightened as
>to the true nature of cyclist leg shaving, I feel compelled to share
>this information with the world.
>
>Leg shaving is the mark of alien abduction...

So how do you explain people who shave only one leg?

John Vance

Pete Hickey

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Apr 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/19/95
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In article <3n0s20$8...@market.net>, Roger Marquis <mar...@roble.com> wrote:
>Greg Feder (gs...@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
>>bro...@gti.net writes:
>>> What's the effect that hairy legs have on crashing?
>
>Shaving actually reduces the probability of crashing. At least you'd
>think so from comparing crashes per mile between riders who shave and
>those who don't. Perhaps this is because hard core riders are more
>likely to shave but then again it could be that the professional image
>and self confidence fostered by shaven legs contributes to more skilled
>riding.
>

NO, no, I'm sure its the balance. With hairy legs, you have the hairs
blowing in the wind, first to one side, then the other. This causes
shifting of your centre of gravity making it harder to keep your balance.

-Pete
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Apr 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/19/95
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I've never understood the American phobias about male/female shaving. I
could care less about how hairy your body is. I just want to get to know
poeple. Although, I guess if you are a hard-core racer, shaving your head
and legs, along with the arms might give you some advantage.


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Zach Kaplan

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Apr 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/20/95
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A full set of leg hair weighs 7.5 grams, and it is even rotating
weight! That is the real reason cyclists shave their legs. The weight
savings is better than some titanium bolts. If time is money though,
the titanium bolts would be a better value in the long run.

Kent Peterson

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Apr 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/20/95
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In <3mvbf4$s...@hearst.cac.psu.edu>, don...@mxd120.rh.psu.edu (Matthew
Donadio) wrote:

> Leg shaving is the mark of alien abduction. For years now, aliens
> have been abducting people while they have been riding their bikes.
> They drain all relevent information from their brains, and shave their
> legs. The legs shaving serves as a mark to identify who has been
> processed. All knowledge of the abduction is erased from the
> abductees mind. Memories are implanted in the abductees mind so he
> can come up with reason why he now has shaven legs.

Hmm, so if I shave my legs will agent Scully investigate? Hey, I guy can
dream can't he?
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Jason Ritchie

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Apr 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/20/95
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In article <3n0s20$8...@Market.NET> Roger Marquis, mar...@roble.com
writes:

>The trick to shaving, like anything, is to make it easy and quick. Use
>a slightly dulled razor (to avoid cuts and razor burn) and warm soapy
>water. Don't forget to clean the bathtub ;-) and rub down with alcohol
>and moisturizer afterwards.

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHAAHHHHHH! Damn that must hurt. Alcohol? I certainly use
moisterizer, but I can only imagine the pain of alcohol. How dull a
razor? I always have much better luck with a sharp razor. I usually know
to toss 'em when the get dull and start cuttin' the crap out of my legs.
:)

Hang loose
Jason


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Dan Langille

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Apr 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/20/95
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1 - it's not just American.

2 - it's not a phobia. most that shave aren't afraid of it.

3 - it's not for an advantage. it's for vanity.


dtm

acro...@goofy.iaccess.za

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Apr 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/20/95
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Well I'm sorry people, I think the only *real* answer is... wait for it...

.Painless massage. I dont shave my pins and a massage on hairy legs is an all new pain sensation.

The top pros all have masseurs.. and thats why *they* shave ..everyone wants to look
like a top pro and.... need I say more?

Slarti. (Alistair Rooney)
acro...@goofy.iaccess.za


Tennyson Lee

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Apr 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/20/95
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Jason Ritchie (jari...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
: >The trick to shaving, like anything, is to make it easy and quick. Use

: >a slightly dulled razor (to avoid cuts and razor burn) and warm soapy
: >water.

A *dull* razor? Sounds painful to me...why not use norelco? (as in
electric razor) Definitely much more painless and probably less time
consuming also. Or, if you're really desparate, I've seen those things
in Sharper Image catalogs that claim to "remove hair by their roots"
(sounds fairly unpleasant also)

Tennyson
tl...@crl.com

Jobst Brandt

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Apr 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/21/95
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Robert Longfield writes:

> Also I found that I healed faster and had less infections when my legs
> were shaved! I have a question for all you leg shavers, How far up do
> you shave you legs???? I go just beyond the shorts level (everyday
> shorts) Is this weird?? Having no girl friend I have no input into
> this area :)

Aw come on now, give me a break! You must either crash often to
collect such comparative data or you are imagining it. However,
someone who is inept enough to crash often enough to gain statistical
data is also by default too stupid to either collect it or to assess
it.

Only an MD who treats such injuries regularly could give credible
testimony to this but he wouldn't because road dirt and its removal
has infinitely more influence on infections than the bit of hair that
grows on the legs. These tenuous excuses for shaving legs is kept
alive by machismo that prevents men from admitting that their athletic
and muscular legs are worth showing or to be looked at by other men.

Quit the posturing. You may not think so but this whole charade is
amazingly transparent not to mention allusions to female approval.

Jobst Brandt <jbr...@hpl.hp.com>


Kevin Benko

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Apr 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/21/95
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OK I'll admit it. I shave my legs because I like the way they look/feel
because of the shaving.

The only problem is that damn "bomb-pop" pattern tan I've got from wearing
shorts of slightly differing length...


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Danielle Simmons

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Apr 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/21/95
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I know quite a few male cyclists who shave. I, being female, can
honestly say I don't understand why they do it. First, I doubt the
absence of leg hair could help that much with aerodynamics, and shaving
is such a pain in the neck, I think they should all save themselves the
trouble. As far as the aesthetic quality of a guy with no leg hair, I
find it unnatural looking, and often have thought it makes the guy look
like a prepubescent boy. I am rather fond of a nice pair of legs on a
guy, but like most women would probably agree, I wouldn't look twice if
his were smoother than my own.

Danielle

Roger Marquis

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Apr 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/22/95
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The Norelcos and Remingtons will work, but not easily. If your hair
tends to get longer than 1/4 in between shaves you'll have to use the
beard trimming attachement. In either case it seems to take about
twice as long to shave with an electric razor as with a standard
blade.

Also, the razor shouldn't be entirely dull of course but a couple of
weeks of facial shaves is about right.

Roger

Marwan O. Joury

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Apr 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/24/95
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.950421131408.8220A-100000@dale>,

I don't know the women you know, but most of my female friends like
shaved legs (on men). In fact my gf has informed me that I may NEVER
grow my hair out and that we had better not break up because she would
now never be able to stand hairy legs.

mj


doug l. kaye

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Apr 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/24/95
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In article <D77tp...@cunews.carleton.ca>, rlon...@chat.carleton.ca (Robert Longfield) writes:
|> Greg Feder (gs...@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
|> > bro...@gti.net writes:
|> > >
|> > > What's the effect that hairy legs have on crashing?
|> > > Jeff

|>
|> > Try picking gravel and other road junk out of a hairy leg and
|> > cleaning it, and THEN try getting a bandage to stick. It's a
|> > post crash thing, or maybe you knew that. :)
|>
|> Also I found that I healed faster and had less infections when my legs
|> were shaved! I have a question for all you leg shavers, How far up do
|> you shave you legs???? I go just beyond the shorts level (everyday
|> shorts) Is this weird?? Having no girl friend I have no input into
|> this area :)
|> ROB
|>

Not that I'm knocking shaving, I do it myself, but I find that my hair grows back A
LOT faster than my wounds heal. So it really doesn't make any difference to me
if my legs are shaved or not with regards to healing time. I do agree with the guy
who said its easier to clean and dress wounds with shaved legs than without. Maybe that's
were our infections come in.
As for how high do you go. Go as high as you think is required for the purposes and
reasons you shave your legs. I shave right to the tops of my legs, but I'm comfortable with
this. I used to do triathlons and it would look goofy with fuzzy lines around my legs
at bike short height while wearing my speedo. I kept doing it after I stopped triathlon -ing
because I felt ungroomed when I didn't. I also feel less like a monkey.

Doug Kaye
dl...@calgary.chevron.com (Until April 30)
ka...@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Anytime)

Matthew P. Wolkenberg

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Apr 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/24/95
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my girlfriend loves shaved legs, that is all I'll say

SKIP1111

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Apr 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/24/95
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Shave. Don't shave. Shave. Don't shave. Shave. Don't.....

I'M SOOOOO CONFUSED.

After "doing the deed" for the first time last season, under heavy
pressure from fellow riders (plus a large dab of personal curiousity)(and
a firm conviction that at that point, NOT shaving was a mark of
cowardice), I now find myself hairy once more and repeating last year's
agonizing angst. Shave. Don't Shave. etc.......

I don't race and crash as infrequently as possible (?). Bottom line (the
line of my bottom) is that I am a prisoner of the shaven leg aesthetic:
Hairy legs mixed with bike shorts now look funny. This is truly a sad
state.
skip...@aol.com (skip schwarzman)

doug l. kaye

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Apr 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/24/95
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In article <n9430149.798146950@waldorf>, n943...@waldorf.cc.wwu.edu (William Murphy) writes:

|> gs...@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Greg Feder) writes:
|>
|> >bro...@gti.net writes:
|> >>
|> >> What's the effect that hairy legs have on crashing?
|> >> Jeff
|>
|> >Try picking gravel and other road junk out of a hairy leg and
|> >cleaning it, and THEN try getting a bandage to stick. It's a
|> >post crash thing, or maybe you knew that. :)
|>
|> Information gleaned from infamous Nazi medical experiments demonstrated that
|> hairless cadavers thrown from moving vehicles sustained less abrasion than
|> those with hair. Plus the previously mentioned post crash benefits.
|>
|> Will

I don't want to sound like a dolt, but is this Nazi thing true? Were do you read
things like this?

Ray Ruyack

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Apr 25, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/25/95
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Last year I tried my wife's "Lady Remington" hair removal device. These
things should be classfied as cruel and unusual punishment! They rip the
hair out at the root. It took almost 3 weeks to get both legs done, and
when done they looked great. When the hair started coming back in it was
not pretty, lots of ingrown hairs.

I'll stick to shaving.


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BRUCE W TAYLOR

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Apr 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/27/95
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In <3nm7sd$1...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> joh...@aol.com writes:

> The most-often cited "practical"
> reason for doing so, prevention of infection in road rash, is bogus.
> Surgeons have for years published many studies on the effect of
> preoperatively shaving skin. The bottom line is, it _increases_ the rate
> of infection. ^^^^^^^^^^
>
> John Culp


John- site your sources on this....being in the health field, the
only time that pre-op shaving isn't the rule is during childbirth...
Never have heard that it increases infections...and don't understand
how it could ? Let me know...thanks.


Ray Taylor

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Apr 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/28/95
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In article <3nm7sd$1...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, joh...@aol.com (JohnC91) wrote:

> In article <3mechb$n...@hacgate2.hac.com>, j...@mass.rsg.hac.com (Dutch Spud)
> says:
>
> >... So I'm posting this to the net for feedback. I know a lot of male
> >bicyclists shave their legs, but what do wives/lovers/SOs think about it?
>
> >Do you like it, does it look/feel good, do you help with the shaving? Or
> >is it a turn-off, do you expect men to have hair on their legs?
>
> My wife promised she'd divorce me if I ever shaved my legs! Not to worry,
> I won't. IMHO, it's totally stupid. The most-often cited "practical"


> reason for doing so, prevention of infection in road rash, is bogus.
> Surgeons have for years published many studies on the effect of
> preoperatively shaving skin. The bottom line is, it _increases_ the rate

> of infection. Again IMHO, it looks dorky. It's a big nuisance, I'd
> imagine. (Shaving one's face certainly is, but I do so to keep my wife
> happy, which keeps me happy.) Leg shaving is just an illustration of the
> desperate lengths to which peer pressure can make otherwise rational folks
> go!
>

When I shaved my legs my wife nearly threw me out! She can't stand rubbing
against my shaven legs in bed - basically she won't come near me.

I did it to see what I would expect, and my wife thinks I'm totally wigged
out. Personally, I can't stand it, it took me over an hour to do it
(Triathlete style up to the Speedo line) and my legs itch like hell!

I have had some favourable comments from some female friends.

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Sharon Strauss

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Apr 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/28/95
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I find this thread quite entertaining :-)

Guys, go ahead and shave to your hearts contents. If you got nice legs,
I'll probably look (hair or no).

As for me, every now and then, when my boyfriend seems overly disgruntled
with my hairy legs, I shave with a bic razor (or whatever else was on
sale). I can't say I have detected much difference either in the speed I
ride or whether or not cuts get infected (not that I race or fall much). I
have noticed that shaving is not much fun when I have sunburn.

Keep on bikin' (and shaving, if you like).

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Chris Malcolm

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Apr 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/28/95
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In article <3n0s20$8...@Market.NET> mar...@roble.com (Roger Marquis) writes:

>Shaving actually reduces the probability of crashing. At least you'd
>think so from comparing crashes per mile between riders who shave and
>those who don't.

The one time I crashed in over 40 years of cycling was when I was
shaving. Since I grew a beard I've never crashed.

Oh, you mean shaving *legs*? But who will know you've shaved your legs
unless you wear short trousers? Oh, you mean you dress up in special
clothes in order to cycle? Doesn't that make commuting to the office
rather a bother? Wouldn't you in fact get to the office quicker
wearing your normal clothes and cycling slower so you didn't need to
change and shower?

>Perhaps this is because hard core riders are more
>likely to shave but then again it could be that the professional image
>and self confidence fostered by shaven legs contributes to more skilled
>riding.

Even more than a nickel plated oval-section frame with waisted
stainless wheel wheel spokes?

>The trick to shaving, like anything, is to make it easy and quick.

How much time do you spend shaving your legs per week?
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Chris Malcolm

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Apr 30, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/30/95
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In article <3n2s99$r...@csi0.csi.UOttawa.CA> pe...@mudhead.uottawa.ca (Pete Hickey) writes:
>In article <3n0s20$8...@market.net>, Roger Marquis <mar...@roble.com> wrote:

>>Shaving actually reduces the probability of crashing. At least you'd
>>think so from comparing crashes per mile between riders who shave and

>>those who don't. Perhaps this is because hard core riders are more


>>likely to shave but then again it could be that the professional image
>>and self confidence fostered by shaven legs contributes to more skilled
>>riding.

>NO, no, I'm sure its the balance. With hairy legs, you have the hairs


>blowing in the wind, first to one side, then the other. This causes
>shifting of your centre of gravity making it harder to keep your balance.

In fact hairy legs break up the laminar air flow over the surface, and
thus help to minimise the buffeting effect of turbulence. Hairy legs
on a cyclist have the same aerodynamic benefit as the small pins they
put on the wings of slow speed aeroplanes to stop stalling. In other
words, if you have hairy legs you will wobble less when a vehicle
passes close to you in a cross wind, a definite safety factor.
Experiments with mohair leggings should be able to confirm this.

Danielle Simmons

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May 1, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/1/95
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I only addressed the part of Robert Longfield's message that interested
me, and that I wanted to comment on. I realize that men shouldn't
rely on a woman's opinion as to whether or not he should do something. I
am not suggesting that he should be so preoccupied with what a woman has
to say, that he changes what he does. I am merely responding to Robert's
question about how females may feel about a guy that shaves, nothing
more.
---Danielle
On Sat, 22 Apr 1995, Jobst Brandt wrote:

> You wrote:
>
> > I know quite a few male cyclists who shave. I, being female, can
> > honestly say I don't understand why they do it.
>

> You may have misse this but...


>
> Robert Longfield writes:
>
> > Also I found that I healed faster and had less infections when my legs
> > were shaved! I have a question for all you leg shavers, How far up do
> > you shave you legs???? I go just beyond the shorts level (everyday
> > shorts) Is this weird?? Having no girl friend I have no input into
> > this area :)
>

> Aw come on now, give me a break! You must either crash often to
> collect such comparative data or you are imagining it. However,
> someone who is inept enough to crash often enough to gain statistical

> data is also by default too stupid to either collect it or to assess
> it.
>

YHR667D

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May 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/4/95
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Hey guys. I am not a biker, but am female and have had plenty of
experience shaving my legs (disclaimer - it sucks). I have recently come
upon a great way to shave. Do use a fairly new blade, or you will have to
hack away at yourself. I tried soap, shaving creams and gels, and
shampoo. A friend suggested hair conditioner (the stuff us women use to
keep our hair from braeking off). It works great! Buy the cheap, goopy
thick kind. You'll be surprised!

Dr Michael Kelsey

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May 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/10/95
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Why do male cyclists shave? Well its not for speed or to prevent infections is
it? The reason is probably to do with professional racing cyclists where
massage is give to aid recovery in muscle groups. Masseuse will find it much
easier and cyclists less painful without hairs.

Chris Malcolm

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May 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/11/95
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In article <1995May10.1...@ucl.ac.uk> rmb...@ucl.ac.uk (Dr Michael Kelsey) writes:

>Why do male cyclists shave?

>Masseuse will find it much easier and cyclists less painful without
>hairs.

Ah. So presumably female cyclists shave so that masseurs find it
easier? And lesbian cyclists masseuses? As a hairy unshaven male
cyclist I know that massage by a masseur offers neither hairy
difficulty nor pain. Why does the sex make a difference?

Where.Do.We.Go.Now....

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In article <D8F7p...@festival.ed.ac.uk>,

Chris Malcolm <c...@castle.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <1995May10.1...@ucl.ac.uk> rmb...@ucl.ac.uk (Dr Michael Kelsey) writes:
>
>>Why do male cyclists shave?
>
>>Masseuse will find it much easier and cyclists less painful without
>>hairs.
>
>Ah. So presumably female cyclists shave so that masseurs find it
>easier? And lesbian cyclists masseuses? As a hairy unshaven male
>cyclist I know that massage by a masseur offers neither hairy
>difficulty nor pain. Why does the sex make a difference?

Having been given a massage with both hairy, and shaved legs, the shaved
method is FAR better feeling. As for the pain discussed, I have had a
profesional masseuse refuses to give me a massage w/hairy legs. She claimed
it was to hard on her hands, and well, she was cute!! My loss.

Scott


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May 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/12/95
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In article <1995May10.1...@ucl.ac.uk>, rmb...@ucl.ac.uk (Dr
Michael Kelsey) wrote:

> Why do male cyclists shave? Well its not for speed or to prevent infections is
> it? The reason is probably to do with professional racing cyclists where

> massage is give to aid recovery in muscle groups. Masseuse will find it much


> easier and cyclists less painful without hairs.

Hmmm. I wrecked at 25mph last yr (while trying to avoid the guy wrecking
in front of me) and hamburgered my left side on the pavement. Every time I
had to remove the bandages (removing a lot of hair in the process), I sure
wished I'd shaved my legs. Geeky as it may sound.

Kevin Benko

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May 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/13/95
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Way back in the beginning, when I was doing the research prior to buying a
bicycle (reading _everything_ I could get my hot little hands on regarding
bicycles, bothering the hell out of bicycle-shop-guys, etc) I came across
the leg shaving concept. Needless to say, I fell for the standard
"road_rash" type stuff, so the first thing I did, the very evening I
finally picked up my bicycle at the shop was to hack off all the hair on
my legs. (What a mess, that first time!)

I kind of liked it. I made my legs look real good. I felt real good, sort
of erotic (OH! NO! does this make me a pervert?).

Then my girlfriend saw the legs, thought it was a bit weird, but then she
eventually came to like the concept, _alot_.

Since that first year, I continue to shave my legs, even during the
winter, when I don't ride. Why? I like the way they look and feel, I could
care less about anyother reasons (does this make me demented?). I've since
gotten involved with a new girlfriend who also appreciates my bare legs.


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Dean Cookson

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In article <D7utu...@festival.ed.ac.uk>,

Chris Malcolm <c...@castle.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>In fact hairy legs break up the laminar air flow over the surface, and
>thus help to minimise the buffeting effect of turbulence. Hairy legs
>on a cyclist have the same aerodynamic benefit as the small pins they
>put on the wings of slow speed aeroplanes to stop stalling.

Actually, laminar flow over the surface is good. It's only at the trailing
edge that you want to break it up. Therefore you should shave your legs
except for a mohawk like stip up the back. :-)

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Chris Edwardson

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May 18, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/18/95
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In article <grahamla-120...@35.8.197.59> grah...@pilot.msu.edu
writes:
;> Hmmm. I wrecked at 25mph last yr (while trying to avoid the guy
;> wrecking in front of me) and hamburgered my left side on the pavement.
;> Every time I had to remove the bandages (removing a lot of hair in the
;> process), I sure wished I'd shaved my legs. Geeky as it may sound.
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The problem is your hair will grow out under the bandage and removal will
be just as painful.

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