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Karl Frisch

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Aug 28, 2001, 1:55:33 PM8/28/01
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Pete Hickey wrote:
>
> OK... So I look at a map of RMNP, and on the map, I see some lines
> that are labeled as tunnels.
>
> Of course, tunnels would never be permitted in a National Park,
> so I suspect that these are some other kind of feature, and
> they call them tunnels.
>
> Does anybody know what they REALLY are???

They really are tunnels. Water diversion tunnels. The Alva B.Adams
tunnel (inside the park) and the Rams Horn and Prospect Mtn tunnels near
Estes Park.

Take a look at http://rockyweb.cr.usgs.gov/rmnp/alva_phys.html

Doug Landauer

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Aug 28, 2001, 2:07:31 PM8/28/01
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> OK... So I look at a map of RMNP, and on the map, I see some
> lines that are labeled as tunnels. Of course, tunnels would
> never be permitted in a National Park...

Yeah, just like dams would never be permitted in a National Park...

> Does anybody know what they REALLY are???

Possibly old mine tunnels, but my money would be on water
supply tunnels. Seems that when water's concerned, the rules
about what is (or WAS) permitted in a National Park get pretty
hazy.

Just back from a few days backpacking in the area just north of
Hetch Hetchy, one of the most egregious examples of this.
--
Doug Landauer land...@apple.com

david mann

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Aug 28, 2001, 4:55:14 PM8/28/01
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Pete Hickey (pe...@bitman.uottawa.ca.DELETE.TO.EMAIL.ME) wrote:
: Of course, tunnels would never be permitted in a National Park,

: so I suspect that these are some other kind of feature, and
: they call them tunnels.

Hey Pete, long time heh?

Why would you suppose that there would be no tunnels
in national parks?

Or did I just get trolled on my first revisit to the
group in a year?

Dave Mann | "It is impossible, or not easy, to do
| noble acts without the proper equipment."
dam...@lynx.neu.edu | Aristotle, <<Politics>>, 1323a-b, trans Jowett

Pete Hickey

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Aug 28, 2001, 5:08:21 PM8/28/01
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In article <9mh0fi$hp3$1...@isn.dac.neu.edu>,

david mann <dam...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
>Pete Hickey (pe...@bitman.uottawa.ca.DELETE.TO.EMAIL.ME) wrote:
>: Of course, tunnels would never be permitted in a National Park,
>: so I suspect that these are some other kind of feature, and
>: they call them tunnels.
>
>Hey Pete, long time heh?

Funny that you should surface. Your name came up a week
or so ago.

>Why would you suppose that there would be no tunnels
>in national parks?
>
>Or did I just get trolled on my first revisit to the
>group in a year?

Eugene always said you are a smart cookie.


>Dave Mann | "It is impossible, or not easy, to do
> | noble acts without the proper equipment."
>dam...@lynx.neu.edu | Aristotle, <<Politics>>, 1323a-b, trans Jowett

Still the same sig...


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Pete Hickey
Pe...@mudhead.uottawa.CA

NOTE: .sig was stolen. If found, please notify me.

Ed Huesers

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Aug 28, 2001, 10:06:23 PM8/28/01
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Pete Hickey wrote:
> So I look at a map of RMNP, and on the map, I see some lines
> that are labeled as tunnels.

> Does anybody know what they REALLY are???

Well, actually...
It was one of those asteroids that came out of a black hole and with
the speed it had, it just passed through the earth [so to
speak] and left a perfectly strait tunnel called the Alva Adams.
The Rams Horn tunnel is a result of some weird english the asteroid
had developed going through the mountain and then exiting.
They capitalized on it for irrigation [see: Range Wars] and aren't
telling as it's a natural wonder and the greenies.... if they only knew.
Alva Adams was a local Estes astronomer that happened to be watching
the black hole and noticed a blink of light just before she felt the
ground *ping*.

Ed Huesers
http://www.grandshelters.com

Bob Gross

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Aug 28, 2001, 10:28:50 PM8/28/01
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I don't know exactly how you made your assumptions about national parks.

Take a different example: Yosemite National Park. There are several road
tunnels.

---Bob Gross---

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> OK... So I look at a map of RMNP, and on the map, I see some lines


> that are labeled as tunnels.
>

> Of course, tunnels would never be permitted in a National Park,
> so I suspect that these are some other kind of feature, and

> they call them tunnels.

Eugene Miya

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Aug 29, 2001, 2:22:30 AM8/29/01
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Aquaducts.

Eugene Miya

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Aug 29, 2001, 2:28:04 AM8/29/01
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In article <9mh0fi$hp3$1...@isn.dac.neu.edu>,
david mann <dam...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
>Pete Hickey (pe...@bitman.uottawa.ca.DELETE.TO.EMAIL.ME) wrote:
>: Of course, tunnels would never be permitted in a National Park,
>
>Why would you suppose that there would be no tunnels
>in national parks?

Why'd you say that?
There's at least 2-3 tunnels in Yosemite, Inspiration Pt. where
Ansel Adams has taken several of his most important photos is at the
mouth of a tunnel (controversial). Hetch Hetchy has a tunnel N of the
O'S dam. Zion has a series of tunnels. Numerous caves in Monuments

You can make an exception to just about any human law.

>Or did I just get trolled on my first revisit to the
>group in a year?

All posts are trolls.

DsrtTravlr

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Aug 29, 2001, 4:45:19 AM8/29/01
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>"Bob Gross" wrote:

>I don't know exactly how you made your assumptions about national parks.
>
>Take a different example: Yosemite National Park. There are several road
>tunnels.
>
>---Bob Gross---

And Zion does not have a tunnel, but a tube big enough for cars to drive
through the mountain. I think they call it the big car tube thingus.

Steve
~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~

Pete Hickey

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Aug 29, 2001, 10:36:27 PM8/29/01
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In article <3B8BDB15...@gis.nmt.edu>,

Karl Frisch <ka...@gis.nmt.edu> wrote:
>
>
>Pete Hickey wrote:
>>
>> OK... So I look at a map of RMNP, and on the map, I see some lines
>> that are labeled as tunnels.

>> Does anybody know what they REALLY are???


>
>They really are tunnels. Water diversion tunnels. The Alva B.Adams
>tunnel (inside the park) and the Rams Horn and Prospect Mtn tunnels near
>Estes Park.
>
>Take a look at http://rockyweb.cr.usgs.gov/rmnp/alva_phys.html

Nifty. Can you take a raft through them???

Impressive.... A tunnel some 15 miles in length going right
under the park. I think Ed is right about this one.

Ed Huesers

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Aug 29, 2001, 11:25:59 PM8/29/01
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> >Pete Hickey wrote:
> >> tunnels.
> >> Does anybody know what they REALLY are???

> Karl Frisch wrote:
> >They really are tunnels. Water diversion tunnels.

> >Estes Park.
> >http://rockyweb.cr.usgs.gov/rmnp/alva_phys.html

Pete Hickey wrote:
> Impressive.... A tunnel some 15 miles in length going right
> under the park. I think Ed is right about this one.

Damn strait. They've done one hell of a cover up on this one.
They even have a side diversion/rumor going around Estes just so the
tourists like you are kept busy and don't go snooping into this.
They've worked on it for years now and it looks like it's entrained
in the hordes of tourist that frequent the area.
Tourists are always asking "When do the deer turn to elk?"
Come on now, it takes a big organization to get an urban/backcountry
myth like that going.

Ed Huesers

david mann

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Aug 31, 2001, 2:02:30 PM8/31/01
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Pete Hickey (pe...@bitman.uottawa.ca.DELETE.ME) wrote:
: Funny that you should surface. Your name came up a week
: or so ago.

No wonder my ears were burning.

I deny everything.


: Still the same sig...


But not the same person. Much, much crankier these
days.

Eugene Miya

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Aug 31, 2001, 3:18:43 PM8/31/01
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In article <9mojfm$ls7$1...@isn.dac.neu.edu>,
david mann <dam...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
>I deny everything.

Good for you.

Pete:
>: Still the same sig...

>But not the same person. Much, much crankier these days.

Bucking for a tee shirt?

Gotta go. Back Tuesday unless I get called to jury duty.

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