tyvek for sale
dickross
I am going to buy a roll of tyvek house wrap this weekend. thats 150
feet for $160-170. i'm going to cut off about 20 feet for my own use
and sell the rest.
The price is $1.50 a running foot (9 feet wide) including UPS to the
lower 48, 10 foot minimum. or $1.25 a running foot if you pick it up at
my house.(Houston, TX)
I'll accept a bank check or money order.
I don't intend to make a business of this, when this roll is gone, i'm
out of business. first email gets the goods. (assuming the check arrives
shortly thereafter).
Email me and with how much you want, and i'll give you the address to
send the check.
If someone else would like to undercut my price, great!! just let me
know pretty quick and i'll buy sonme from you instead of hasseling with
this. I'll be willing to give up the $2 or $3 profit that i will
probably make on this.
DISCLAIMER: Ive seen this stuff recommended by a number of ultralight
backpackers for ground sheets and a few for Tarps. It is supposedly
somewhat breathable so may need some additional waterproofing treatment
for tarps. I don't really know for sure because ive never had any to
play with. I will guaruntee that this stuff is tyvek....Period. no
additional garuntees, no refunds. If it leaks and you get wet and
freeze to death, all you'll get from me is sympathy. (and not much of
that, cause you ought to have sense enough to try this out in your
backyard first.) The weight is supposed to be around 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 oz
per sq yard (but of course that is not garunteed either)
If you have time and if your lucky you can sometimes get this stuff for
little or nothing if you can find a contractor with part of a roll left
over. If you have lots of time and no money that's the way to go. try
driving around in some of the more expensive areas under construction.
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dickross
maohai huang wrote:
>
> dickross (dick...@swbell.net) wrote:
> : I am going to buy a roll of tyvek house wrap this weekend. thats 150
>
> I have heard there are different kind of tyvteks. maybe it is just the
> finish or maybe the thickness. I know the Fedex envelope kind is super
> strong. is yours the same ?
>
> - mh
It appears to be pretty close to the same, but i expect the fedex
envelopes have an aditional waterproof layer. call a couple of
lumberyards to find some and then go look at it. Lowes carries it in
Houston. Home depot had some owens corning housewrap that looked like
woven fiberglass, nothing like tyvek. (but of course they swore it was
the same stuff).
maohai huang
Tim Hewitt
dickross wrote:
>
> I am going to buy a roll of tyvek house wrap this weekend. thats 150
> and sell the rest.
Great idea, but don't use the housewrap variety! It's NOT waterproof.
>
> DISCLAIMER: Ive seen this stuff recommended by a number of ultralight
> backpackers for ground sheets and a few for Tarps. It is supposedly
> somewhat breathable so may need some additional waterproofing treatment
> for tarps. I don't really know for sure because ive never had any to
> play with. I will guaruntee that this stuff is tyvek....Period. no
> additional garuntees, no refunds. If it leaks and you get wet and
> freeze to death, all you'll get from me is sympathy. (and not much of
> that, cause you ought to have sense enough to try this out in your
> backyard first.) The weight is supposed to be around 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 oz
> per sq yard (but of course that is not garunteed either)
[clip]
There have been a number of dicsussions on the AT mailing lists surrounding
Tyvek products and there is a product that is perfect for our use - with the
possible exception of long term UV protection - and from what I understand
it's not the housewrap product.
The 16** series is perferrated with tiny holes for vapor barrier use. It may
repel surface water, but water under pressure will go through. The kind of
pressure your body puts on a groundcloth would certainly qualify. The 14**
series is not full of holes, but Dupont does not guarantee the cloth varieties
to be waterproof at all. They do guarantee the paper styles, like the FedEx
envelopes, to be waterproof - the 10** series I think.
You can get more info on Tyvek from Dupont by calling 800-44-TYVEK.
As soon as I can figure out all this, I'm going to buy some for making
lightweight tarps as well :).
-Tim
Tim Hewitt
Just to add a bit more info for those who might want to try a "water
repellant" Tyvek. Dupont does not claim water-proof on any of the cloth styles
of Tyvek.
The 1443R series is available from:
Quest Outfitters
Sarasota, FL
1-800-359-6931
I just called them and it's $5.25 a yard in 60 inch wide "cloth." I just
ordered some and will be happy to post a report in it's servicability as a
groundcloth if anyone is interested.
-Tim
Mike Lazzari
> I just called them and it's $5.25 a yard in 60 inch wide "cloth." I just
> ordered some and will be happy to post a report in it's servicability as a
> groundcloth if anyone is interested.
>
> -Tim
>
Chuck Duchon
Tim Hewitt wrote:
>
> Just to add a bit more info for those who might want to try a "water
> repellant" Tyvek. Dupont does not claim water-proof on any of the cloth styles
> of Tyvek.
>
> The 1443R series is available from:
>
> Quest Outfitters
> Sarasota, FL
> 1-800-359-6931
>
> ordered some and will be happy to post a report in it's servicability as a
> groundcloth if anyone is interested.
>
> -Tim
Make sure that the Tyvek is UV resistant. I know that the stuff sold for
houses will deteriorate in sunlight.
rr...@smith-intl.com
In article <3551C5D9...@fairchildsemi.com>,
Tim Hewitt <the...@fairchildsemi.com> wrote:
>
> dickross wrote:
> >
> > I am going to buy a roll of tyvek house wrap this weekend. thats 150
> > feet for $160-170. i'm going to cut off about 20 feet for my own use
> > and sell the rest.
> [clip]
>
> Great idea, but don't use the housewrap variety! It's NOT waterproof.
>
Well this is a matter of what's available. Tyvek housewrap is available
retail, in a not too large quantity. other varieties are not. The house
wrap is not perforated. the tyvek is naturaly porous. more so than goretex,
but still somewhat water resistant. I expect it will need a coat of
waterproofing for use as a tarp. As a ground cloth it should be just fine. a
ground cloth is just to protect from wear and tear and dirt. if anything i
may have to poke extra holes in it so water doesn't collect on top.
> >
> > DISCLAIMER: Ive seen this stuff recommended by a number of ultralight
> > backpackers for ground sheets and a few for Tarps. It is supposedly
> > somewhat breathable so may need some additional waterproofing treatment
> > for tarps. I don't really know for sure because ive never had any to
> > play with. I will guaruntee that this stuff is tyvek....Period. no
> > additional garuntees, no refunds. If it leaks and you get wet and
> > freeze to death, all you'll get from me is sympathy. (and not much of
> > that, cause you ought to have sense enough to try this out in your
> > backyard first.) The weight is supposed to be around 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 oz
> > per sq yard (but of course that is not garunteed either)
> [clip]
>
> There have been a number of dicsussions on the AT mailing lists surrounding
> Tyvek products and there is a product that is perfect for our use - with the
> possible exception of long term UV protection - and from what I understand
> it's not the housewrap product.
>
> The 16** series is perferrated with tiny holes for vapor barrier use. It may
> repel surface water, but water under pressure will go through. The kind of
> pressure your body puts on a groundcloth would certainly qualify. The 14**
> series is not full of holes, but Dupont does not guarantee the cloth varieties
> to be waterproof at all. They do guarantee the paper styles, like the FedEx
> envelopes, to be waterproof - the 10** series I think.
>
If i understand the info correctly, Tyvek is naturaly microporous. They may
have a variety with additional holes poked in it but i was not aware of it.
The stuff i am going to get at the lumber yard definitely does not have
additional holkes poked in it. It looks very much like the fed ex envelope
material except that it does not have the polyethylene lining. Most of the
"grades" appear to be variations in what material the tyvek is coated with.
Dick...@swbell.net Tyvek is frequently coated with polyethylene or
polyurethane for use in envelopes and disposable clothing (hazardous material
handleing etc) to make it 100% impervious to water and other liquids.
> You can get more info on Tyvek from Dupont by calling 800-44-TYVEK.
I did they just told me to buy a car cover at K-mart.
>
> As soon as I can figure out all this, I'm going to buy some for making
> lightweight tarps as well :).
There appear to be a nymber of people using tyvek house wrap succesfuly as
ground cloths and tarps. and i've never heard of anybody actualy trying the
housewrap and having a problem. There may be a better grade for our
purposes, but i'm betting that you will have to order a frieght car full to
get some. In the meantime, i'm gonna take my tyvek tarp and go camping!
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In article <3551C8EF...@fairchildsemi.com>,
Tim Hewitt <the...@fairchildsemi.com> wrote:
>
> Just to add a bit more info for those who might want to try a "water
> repellant" Tyvek. Dupont does not claim water-proof on any of the cloth styles
> of Tyvek.
>
> The 1443R series is available from:
>
> Quest Outfitters
> Sarasota, FL
> 1-800-359-6931
>
> I just called them and it's $5.25 a yard in 60 inch wide "cloth." I just
> ordered some and will be happy to post a report in it's servicability as a
> groundcloth if anyone is interested.
>
> -Tim
>
type 1422 R is available from "into the wind" kite shop for $2.50 a yard.
800-541-0314 (60" wide)
The info i have on the two types 1443R, 1.25 oz/sq yard, 6.3 thick (don't
recall the units on thickness) and tensile strength of 9.4 (don't remember
units here either, damn i take lousy notes)
1422R , 1.2 oz/sq yard, 5.3 thick, tensile strength 7.9 .
I would be very interested in your results. and i'll let you know about the
house wrap type. I just noticed that the 14 series materials run 6 to 10
tensile and the ten series materials of similar weights run 20 to 30 tensile.
Robb McLeod
>> I just called them and it's $5.25 a yard in 60 inch wide "cloth." I just
>> ordered some and will be happy to post a report in it's servicability as a
>> groundcloth if anyone is interested.
>
>Tim, Take a backup, as I don't think tyvek is waterproof. mike
Doesn't anyone make a 1.1 oz. ripstop nylon with a 1/2 oz. PU coating?
That would only be 1.6 oz. per sq yard, which is comparible to Tyvek.
I don't think it would make a satisfactory ground-cloth, but it should
work better as a tarp.
Maybe OR could start making tarps with their silicon Hydroseal
coating.
--
Robb McLeod
anti...@antispam.uvic.ca
"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters would eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare.
Now - thanks to the Internet - we know this is simply not true."
dickross
Robb McLeod wrote:
>
> On Thu, 07 May 1998 10:02:41 -0700, Mike Lazzari
> <wate...@interisland.net> wrote:
>
> >> I just called them and it's $5.25 a yard in 60 inch wide "cloth." I just
> >> ordered some and will be happy to post a report in it's servicability as a
> >> groundcloth if anyone is interested.
> >
> >Tim, Take a backup, as I don't think tyvek is waterproof. mike
>
> Doesn't anyone make a 1.1 oz. ripstop nylon with a 1/2 oz. PU coating?
> That would only be 1.6 oz. per sq yard, which is comparible to Tyvek.
> I don't think it would make a satisfactory ground-cloth, but it should
> work better as a tarp.
Zero-P parachute fabric is 1.1 oz nylon with polyurethane coating, don't
know the final weight or how waterproof it is. It costs $8.50 a yard 56"
wide. it is sensitive to UV light. probably not any more so than
regular nylon tarps but the fabric is only half as strong to start with
so degradation would become obvious much sooner.
There is a guy in pennsylvania selling ultra light stuff, including a 1
lb 8x10 tarp made out of this or a similar nylon fabic.$109.00 bucks.
>
> Maybe OR could start making tarps with their silicon Hydroseal
> coating.
> --
> Robb McLeod
> anti...@antispam.uvic.ca
> "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
> typewriters would eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare.
> Now - thanks to the Internet - we know this is simply not true."
--
RavingUU
integral designs in canada makes a 5x8 silicon-coated nylon tarp, complete with
tie-in loops that weighs 5 oz and costs $50.
i'd like to see tyvek beat that kind of weight and durability.
jeremy
Robb McLeod
5 ' x 8 ' isn't particularly big, but it would do for one person.
Soo....
ID Tarp 140 g ( 5 oz. ) $50.00 US
ID Strain Bag 800 g (1 lbs. 12 oz. ) $120.00 US
OR Bug Bivy 370 g (13 oz. ) $80.00 US, IIRC
Evazote 5 mm Bivy Pad
170 g ( 6 oz. ) $5.00 US
Total Mass: 1 480 g ( 3 lbs. 4 oz. )
Total Cost: $255.00 US funds
Pretty good for someone through hiking the AT or some other long slog.
If the OR bivy pole doesn't fit in easily, I'd just leave it in and
role the rest of the bivy around it. It's not very big.
Dev
Just to throw out another idea that worked for us:
At JoAnn Fabrics (now nationwide) we purchased "pack cloth" in the nylon
outdoor fabrics section. The cost was $2.99 for 54-60" wide fabric. The
pack cloth was treated so it didn't fray on the edges (check this before
you leave the store-- we did find one bolt that was not so treated). The
treatment also makes the fabric water resistant. I sprayed everything
with Scotchguard Outdoor before using it to make it waterproof.
With a quick hem around the edges and some grommets installed every 3 feet
or so, we made very servicable, very lightweight, and very colorful ground
cloths and tarps. When we needed an emergency tent one night, the 9'x11'
tarp kept us dry and out of the wind. The smaller ground cloth acted as an
emergency signal flag when staked out with bungie cords.
We've used this fabric to make stuff sacks, pack covers, a parafly, a
large and small tarp, a ground cover, a new tent storage bag, and small
organizer bags inside the food bag.
I like color! The cloth comes in neon orange, bright yellow, purple,
green, blue, and camoflage. So far it doesn't seem to attract mold or
mildew if packed wet. It's incredibly lightweight. The 9x11 tarp rolls
down to the size of a loaf of bread. If you don't need grommets, just cut
the fabric to the size you need, then spray it and use it-- you don't even
need to hem the edges.
We had to camp in a very marshy spot one night and the cloth kept the tent
high and dry. I will spray everything before we go out this year, but at
$2.99 a yard, this stuff is great!
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Center Designs, Waterbury Center, VT
"Just remember that it's all part of your wilderness experience."
- Judy Unick, stepmother extraordinaire
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In article <199805080417...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
ravi...@aol.com (RavingUU) wrote:
>
> integral designs in canada makes a 5x8 silicon-coated nylon tarp, complete with
> tie-in loops that weighs 5 oz and costs $50.
> i'd like to see tyvek beat that kind of weight and durability.
>
>
Weight.. no problem Tyvek house wrap 1.8 oz per sq yard that comes to 8
ounces for a 5x8 tarp. Integral designs tarp actualy weighs 7 ounces. they
use 1.1 oz per sq yd nylon (weight before coating) coating hemming and tie
tabs add the extra weight. Durability??? we'll have to see. both materials
are degraded by ultra violet. Hard to say which is better . The ID fabric is
much lighter than the nylon fabric you are used to and any degradation will
become apparent much sooner. but to be fair you should compare the nylon
tarp to 6 or 7 tyvek tarps. at $1.50 a foot a 5x8 will run $7.50. Integral
Designs quoted me $70 for an 8x8 tarp which i think is a more practical size.
Now the rest of this is official direct from Dupont, believe it or don't:
Tyvek is produced in one hard and two soft structure types. Type 10 a hard
area bonded product, is a smooth, stiff, nondirectional paperlike substrat
with good printability. types 14 and 16 are soft point bonded products with
an embossed pattern, providing a fabric like flexible substrate with good
printability and tear resistance.
type 14 styles are used where barrier,durability and comfort are required for
industrial garmets. type 14 styles offer excellent wet and dry protection.
Type 16 styles are pin perforated with 10-15 mil holes .
Physical properties of uncoated tyvek are degraded with extended exposure to
sunlight. although at least 1-3 months of useful outdoor life can be
expected in many applications.
Tyvek HouseWrap type 1055
weight 1.8 oz/ sq yard
breaking strength ASTM D-882 METHOD A (LBS/IN) MD/CD 30/30
Water penetration resistance AATCC-127 (cm) >210
Water Vapor Transmission ASTM E-96 Method B (g/m2-24hours) 400
(perms) 58
air penetration Air-Ins (cfm/ft2 @ 75 Pa) .007
Gurley Hill (TAPPI T-460) (sec/100cc) 300
Tear Resistance (Trapezoid) ASTM D-1117 (lbs) MD/CD 6/6
_____________
end of official data
I don't pretend to under stand all of this stuff but it sounds like this is
the stuff i want for tarps and ground cloth. as for the type 14 cloth others
have mentioned. some of the description sounds like it would not be
waterproof at all and then they turn around and say type 14 offers excellent
wet protection (apparently still talking about uncoated material).
confusing????? The strength numbers on house wrap are 3 times the strength
numbers that i have on some of the 14 series stuff (admitedly i didn't get
the data on 14 series stuff direct from dupont). must be the difference
between "area bonding" and "point bonding".
They faxed me about 20 pages of literature but only hard specs on the one
grade that i named.
As of last night i stll had a little of the housewrap that was unclaimed. If
you'd like to purchase some e-mail me at the address below.
dickross
Dev wrote:
>
> In article <3551C8EF...@fairchildsemi.com>, Tim Hewitt
> <the...@fairchildsemi.com> wrote:
>
> Just to throw out another idea that worked for us:
>
> At JoAnn Fabrics (now nationwide) we purchased "pack cloth" in the nylon
> outdoor fabrics section. The cost was $2.99 for 54-60" wide fabric. The
> pack cloth was treated so it didn't fray on the edges (check this before
I think you missed the start of this thread. we are trying to cut
weight. anything heavy enough to be called packcloth probably weighs at
least 4-5 ounces per yard if your 9x12 tarp weighs less than 2 1/2 lbs
I'll eat it (of course then you wouldn't have a tarp 8-)). $2.99 a yard
is a darn good price for that kind of fabric. and ends up being about
half the price campmor charges for a similar weight tarp.
I have a 37 ounce 8x10 campmor tarp with bungee cord loops on it. I
hope to replace it with a 16 ounce 9x9 tyvek tarp with nylon cord loops
sewn on the edges, and maybe a nylon cord sewn down the center. that's
21 ounce savings !!! I had a 4x8 4 mil 11 ounce piece of plastic for a
ground cloth, i'll replace it with a 5 ounce piece of tyvek, another 6
ounces. I'll only carry half a bottle of dish soap instead of a full
bottle , save another 2 ounces....you get the idea.
For the price of tyvek, i can live with replacing it every year or two.
Although I expect it will last longer than that.
I've got my 56 lb winter pack (7days) down to 40 lbs and still dropping.
dickross
Just bought the tyvek this afternoon. looks pretty good. one side has a
hard glossy finish, the other side is more like paper. No
perforations. Masking tape and labels were stuck on the "paper" side
and pulled off some of the material when removed. I cut off the first
two feet to play with. I put a piece in a wire mesh kitchen colander and
poured about 4" of water into it, hasn't leaked a drop yet (2 hours). I
cut a couple of strips 1 1/2" wide put one end in a vice and pulled them
by hand till they broke. definitely stronger than even 6 mil builders
plastic but still not too hard to break. I've never tried to break any
nylon fabric this way so don't have a good feel for it's strength. i
think the nylon would be much stronger, even the 1.1 ounce nylon.
Gary S.
> I am going to buy a roll of tyvek house wrap this weekend. thats 150
> feet for $160-170. i'm going to cut off about 20 feet for my own use
> and sell the rest.
>
An alternative I've considered:
Near Boston, where I live, is the company that makes material for the
widely sold "Space Blankets". They will sell a full roll of the material
used for the long term type blanket, which is Mylar layered with a scrim
fiber for strength. I don't have details at hand, but can find out next
week. I didn't pursue it at the time, as each roll is ~250 yds by 60
inches. This material can be sewn or thermally bonded. IIRC, there are
different weights available, including lighter than the generally
available commercial ones.
If anyone is interested, email me. I will get details this week.
Enjoy,
Gary
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In article <35528787...@news.islandnet.com>,
anti...@antispam.uvic.ca wrote:
>
> Evazote 5 mm Bivy Pad
> 170 g ( 6 oz. ) $5.00 US
>
> Robb McLeod
> anti...@antispam.uvic.ca
> "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
> typewriters would eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare.
> Now - thanks to the Internet - we know this is simply not true."
>
What is "Evazote" bivy pad? I've been looking for a lighter substitute for
my 14 oz ridgerest. I've got some bubblewrap insulation with mylar facing
that i'm going to try out. but it doesn't look real sturdy. (7 oz)
Thanks,
Robb McLeod
On Wed, 13 May 1998 17:28:47 GMT, rr...@smith-intl.com wrote:
>> Evazote 5 mm Bivy Pad
>> 170 g ( 6 oz. ) $5.00 US
>
>my 14 oz ridgerest. I've got some bubblewrap insulation with mylar facing
>that i'm going to try out. but it doesn't look real sturdy. (7 oz)
It's a 150 cm long by 50 cm wide length of 5 mm thick Canuck Ensolite
foam. Mountain Equipment Co-op sells it for $8.00 Cdn. Try ordering
a catelogue from their website:
Buying it by itself would be ridiciously expensive because of
membership and shipped fees, but they sell a variety of gear at prices
30 - 40% off Campmor prices, so you might find something you would
like to buy in addition to the bivy pad.
This pad is almost full length, so you could possibly reduce it's
weight further by cutting it down. I found that it's no different
from a regular 10 mm thick pad as long as you don't have any branches
or sharp rocks underneath you. Don't try and use it on snow.
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