Beware Dr. Ron Hood of Hood's Woods
fat_...@my-deja.com
DR. RON HOOD
OF
"HOOD'S WOODS"
Following is the claim made by Ron Hood originally on his Web Site to
promote his Wilderness/Survival Business at: http://www.survival.com
"Ron Hood received his early wilderness training as a member of the U.S.
Army Security Agency Special Warfare Units (TAREX SOG). Assigned to the
Army Special Forces (USASASF) he served a year in the Middle East
working with Turkish Askari and Kurdish tribesmen and almost two years
in Vietnam."
This statement is very impressive and seems to dove tail nicely into Ron
Hood's Outdoor/Wilderness/Survival Business. However, what Ron Hood
neglects to say here, and what our investigation discovered, is that he
was a Army Security Agency Radio Traffic Analyst in Turkey and Vietnam.
His MOS was 98C20; "Cryptanalytic Traffic Analyst".
What we discovered through our investigation of Ron Hood's Statement is
that it is a total embellishment and fabrication of his Service
specifically to promote his Business. Ron Hood received no "Early
Wilderness Training" in association with his ASA Training. TAREX SOG is
an inappropriate Unit designation. Ron Hood was not "assigned" to Army
Special Forces. Ron Hood invented the acronym "USASASF", it does not
exist. The United States Army's Special Forces had no connection with
the ASA Communication Unit in Turkey. And, Ron Hood did no "working with
Turkish Askari and Kurdish tribesmen" while in Turkey, he was not in
Vietnam for "Almost two years", AND, he is not a "Doctor".
Ron Hood is a Fake, a Fraud and a Liar. For complete details of our
investigation into the Lying and Fake Special Forces Vietnam Veteran Ron
Hood, go to:
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/1299/wannabes.html
Sincerely,
Michael A. Anderson
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Before you buy.
Greg Rose
I did find myself thinking that a certain Wes Cooley, former congressional
candidate for the 5th district in Oregon, belongs on this site.
Faked his Korean War service record in his campaign literature.
Greg Rose
(A confirmed civilian).
<fat_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8mn2l5$h6a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
John Holladay
newsgroup?
Dishonesty is highly prevalent in our society - go figure.
JNH
Karen
survival class almost 30 years ago... at least that's my recollection. Has
he been lying that long??
k
Will
<QQm...@Qtransport.com> wrote:
> Jeeze... I think he was saying he was in Special Forces when I took his
> survival class almost 30 years ago... at least that's my recollection. Has
> he been lying that long??
He _must_ be a liar; I read it on the Internet, right in this thread in
fact. And there has never been anything less than 100% accurate posted
here.
Karen
k
joe
showing some things. Go to www.survival.com to see. How about contacting his unit
to find out. Is everything you ever did listed in yours? At most the best you got
him for is some embellishment. But his survival skills are top-notch. Here is my
analysis of your investigation.
>Ron Hood, of Hood's Woods fame, holds himself out on the Internet as a
Doctor. He
>wears a Special Forces Ring, has MACV-SOG/Special Forces paraphernalia in
his
>home including Jump Wings and he purposely misleads people to believe he
was
>"Special Forces". He often fabricates Special Forces "War" stories he tells
customers
>related to the knives he promotes, and told close associates that
"Civilians" eat it up;
>or words to that effect.
This would be at best third hand information and would not be admissable anywhere
as evidence.
To me this is opinion not fact. This does not support that Ron’s a scumbag.
>Ron Hood made the following statement on his Web Site to promote his
>Outdoors/Wilderness/Survival Business at:
>HOOD'S WOODS
>"Ron Hood received his early wilderness training as a member of
>the U.S. Army Security Agency Special Warfare Units (TAREX
>SOG). Assigned to the Army Special Forces (USASASF) he served a
>year in the Middle East working with Turkish Askari and Kurdish
>tribesmen and almost two years in Vietnam."
>Note that he is calling himself "Doctor".
Lot’s of people call themselves Doctor. Nelson Monteiro who used to be my
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
teacher called himself “profesor”. He only had a bachelor’s degree. Besides, this
has nothing to
do with being in the military. He only uses it to label Ron a liar. Because many
people use the
term Doctor or Professor it’s not enough evidence to say Ron was deliberately
misleading people.
>This statement is very impressive and seems to dove tail nicely into Ron
Hood's
>Outdoor/Wilderness/Survival Business. However, what Ron Hood neglects to
say
>here, and what our investigation discovered, is that he was a Army Security
Agency
>Radio Traffic Analyst in Turkey and Vietnam. His MOS was 98C20;
"Cryptanalytic
>Traffic Analyst".
His MOS may have nothing to do with what he did everyday. There is no evidence
here. When
I was assigned to help my recruiter for 30 days, I was still listed as 0311
Rifleman.
>What we will show below will prove that the above Statement made by Ron
Hood on
>the World Wide Web, is a total embellishment and fabrication of his Service
>specifically to promote his Business.
Embellishment and Fabrication are two different things. Please be specific.
>Ron Hood received no "Early Wilderness
>Training" in association with his ASA Training. TAREX SOG is an
inappropriate
>Unit designation and should be TAREX SOD. Ron Hood was not "assigned" to
Army
>Special Forces. Ron Hood invented the acronym "USASASF", it does not exist.
The
>United States Army's Special Forces had no connection with the ASA
Communication
>Unit in Turkey. And, Ron Hood did no "working with Turkish Askari and
Kurdish
>tribesmen" while in Turkey. Ron Hood did two tours in Vietnam for a total
of 1 year,
>4 months and a few days. Not the "Almost two years" he claims. AND, he is
not a
>"Doctor".
My bro had wilderness training “during” his arctic, desert, mountain, etc.
training in the Rangers.
Did Ron ever say he went to such and such wilderness school? No. Another weak
argument. SOD,
or SOG, same difference. USASASF, you may have got me there. This could be an
embellishment.
SF could have connections with ASA. When you work in an area with other units
there could be contact.
Even if it’s minimal contact. This is an assumption. Not fact. It is also an
assumption that Ron
didn’t work with tribesman. There is no evidence to support that. Only
suspicions. One year and
four months. So what? My resume says 5 years Computer Testing, even though I’m
currently in
the 5th year. This is not a big deal to me. What with the Doc again?
>This was a long and difficult inquiry. It began in Mid December 1999 and it
took over
>six months to complete. It encompassed professionals from the Special
Forces
>Community, MACV-SOG Community and the ASA Community. Over 460 e-mail
>messages and letters were exchanged by me alone. Because some of what Ron
Hood
>claimed was based in fact and, like all professional liars, he only changed
small and
>essential portions of the Story, it took time and a great deal of effort to
find the truth.
>As is our policy, we posted nothing and keep Ron Hood's name completely
>confidential until we had absolute proof. It is not our aim to needlessly
harm
>Authentic Veterans.
How about posting some of these emails so we can see for ourselves?
>At the very bottom of this page you will see Ron Hood's Military Service
Record
>from National Personnel Records. You will note there is no mention of
United States
>Army Special Forces or "Early Wilderness Training". Ron Hood is a liar and
a
>Wannabe Scum Sucker.
So if it doesn’t state it specifically, you are judge, jury, and executioner???
When I was Reserve
Police Officer I worked with the Street Team busting drug dealers. Yet, you won’t
find that on
my record anywhere. Yet, I could say I had Special Operations experience if I
applied to be a
regular cop.
>We started our research into his claims and we almost immediately run into
problems
>trying to verify his Statement. When we questioned his Statement he
defended it
>vigorously. After we did some more research and informed him of our
findings, he
>changed the Statement on his Web Page to:
>"Ron Hood received his early wilderness training as a member of
>the U.S. Army Security Agency Special Warfare Units (TAREX
>SOD). Assigned to the Army Special Forces (USASASF) he served a
>year in the Middle East working with Turkish Askari and Kurdish
>tribesmen and almost two years in Vietnam."
>Click HERE to see Ron Hood's revised Statement on his Web Page.
>Note that on this "first" revision to his Web Page, he is still calling
himself "Doctor".
>In this revision, he changed TAREX "SOG" to TAREX "SOD". That seems like a
>small revision, but SOG was an original acronym for Special Operations
Group, then
>changed to Special Observation Group, and is associated specifically with
MACV
>and Special Forces. SOD is an acronym for Special Operations Detachment and
is
>associated with ASA Units Supporting Special Forces Units. He made this
change
>after we informed him that we, nor our ASA Historian contact, could find a
ASA unit
>connected with "SOG" whatsoever. Finally, we could not find USASASF or
USASA
>Special Forces referred to anywhere.
So far, you have only proven that he used SOG instead of SOD. And he used that
“USASASF”
acronym again. So far that’s all you have and you haven’t disproven his training
or who he
actually served with. He could have been around Special Forces and Tribesmen. You
haven’t
disproven that yet.
>Ron Hood screamed, he squealed, he sniveled, he whined, he threatened, he
>complained, he insulted, he attacked us/me and our/my motives. He called me
a
>"Stalker", "Phony", "Coward", "Terrorist, and "NUG", whatever that is. He
pleaded
>his case on the Forum he runs and had his "Supporters" and "Defenders" send
me
>threatening e-mail.
>We continued our Research, using our ASA Historian Contacts, Special Forces
>Contacts and MACV-SOG Contacts. We continued to point out inconsistencies
in his
>Statement to him. After two months we were still unable to make any
connection
>between Ron Hood's stated "Early Wilderness Training" and ASA Units. We
talked to
>personnel who underwent ASA training at Fort Devins before Ron Hood, at the
time
>Ron Hood did and after Ron Hood trained there. No one could verify any
"Wilderness
>Training" associated with ASA Training including Pre and Post Deployment to
>Vietnam Training. In short, Ron Hood simply invented his "Early Wilderness
>Training" with ASA to promote his On-Line Survival Business.
Did he ever say that was the title of the class he took? All infantry and others
have wilderness
training just because they’re infantry. Duh, like no one shows infantrymen, etc.
how to light fires.
No evidence is here that suggests an out and out lie.
>Fort Devins did incorporate a Escape and Evasion Course into ASA Training.
The
>E&E course at Fort Devins proved to be quite difficult, but it in no way
could be
>considered "Wilderness Training" and bore no relationship to the Wilderness
>Training or Survival Training provided by Special Forces. This course was
added
>most probably after Ron Hood had finished his Training at Fort Devins.
You don’t know if it was added “after” Ron was there yet you use it to try to
hang the guy? E&E
isn’t wilderness training? Yeah, I went to Reserve Police Officer Academy. But we
all know it
wasn’t the “real” Police Academy. And since I was a Reserve I wasn’t a “real”
cop. Yeah. Another
conjecture with not enough evidence.
>There were ASA Personnel who did become Special Forces Qualified. However,
>this training was in addition to ASA training and will show up on their
Records just
>like Jump School and Jungle Survival School does.
You could have a point here if Ron ever stated he went to that school. I haven’t
heard him say
that specifically.
>Finally, Ron Hood removed the entire statement from his Web Page and
replaced it
>with this:
>"The Internet is a wild place and the freedom we enjoy here is sometimes
abused by
>cowardly persons who feel safe to attack your credentials because they can
hide so
>effectively. We currently have one such stalker who resides in the
Philippines. He has
>questioned my military bonafides and has stated that he intends to destroy
my
>reputation and my business. For that reason I have decided to present a few
of the
>military records and photos that I still retain 33 years after I left
Vietnam. It will take
>me time to find what I need but what I can find you can see if you (click
here)."
>Click HERE to see Ron Hood's revised Statement on his Web Page.
>Note that on this "second" revision to his Web Page, he is still calling
himself
>"Doctor".
Again with the doctor? What does this have to do with military service. Okay,
this is an
embellishment. Lots of people use it. So far, we have the Doc embellishment,
SOG/SOD
embellishment, and USASASF acronym that could be false. But you haven’t disproven
that
he’s had the training he said he had.
>In this newly revised statement the "Early Wilderness Training" is gone.
The "Special
>Warfare Unit" is gone. The "TAREX SOD" is gone. The "Assigned to the Army
>Special Forces (USASASF)" is gone. And the, "Working with Turkish Askari
and
>Kurdish tribesmen" is gone. This all disappeared when we informed Ron Hood
that
>we had sent for this Military Records under the Freedom Of Information Act.
>Still, on his "New" Page he gives all sorts of information about himself,
Turkey and
>Vietnam, but no where does he say clearly that he was a Radio Traffic
Analyst. And,
>the "Working with Turkish Askari and Kurdish Tribesmen" now seems to have
>evolved into Turkish Army Personnel guarding the Perimeter of his ASA
>Communications Compound and local friends he made in the village. These
Local
>People are hardly "Tribesmen".
Why aren’t local people considered tribesmen? Is there a test? So far, there’s
only some
embellishments. No out and out lies supported by evidence. He said he worked with
them. He
never said he “trained” them.
>Ron Hood put this new page up in a hurry and he began embellishing again.
He went
>to great lengths to emphasize the Super Secret and Hush Hush nature of his
>assignment, then he got off track. He originally said that because of his
"World Wide
>Badge", "I had a choice of firearms to take but I hate carrying big
bastards since I
>didn't think that a gunbattle [sic] was likely in France, England or
Sweden, or for that
>matter in my home. Today I would make other choices." See his statement
listed as #4
>under "Let me Point out a couple of things".
>When we pointed out to him that the Orders he posted on this page
specifically stated
>he could ONLY carry a .22 caliber Reck Frontier Model Derringer, Serial
Number
>23633, he once again simply revised the Page and removed his original
embellished
>statement.
When you’re in the field you have liberties not stated on your record. When I was
a cop, oh
I’m sorry, reserve, I carried .357 rounds, just like everybody else, even though
they were
prohibited and we were supposed to carry .38 plus p’s. So far, I don’t see enough
to call this
an out and out lie.
>Ron Hood's emphasis on the "World Wide Badge" as a "Super Secret Agent"
type
>document is "unknown" to ASA Personnel and ASA Historical Organizations we
>contacted. No other ASA Veteran shares Ron Hood's implication of a "Badge".
The
>ASA unit crest is known as the "Worldwides" because it displays a globe,
half in
>light and half in darkness. Thus alluding to its day/night worldwide
mission. That is
>the only "Worldwide" anything associated with ASA Units. The only "BADGES"
>ASA personnel had were the ones used to get them into their classified work
areas.
This statement doesn’t mean anything. You gonna check how he dots his i’s and
crosses
his t’s. I have a Rifle Expert Badge. Is that what it’s called? I don’t remember.
You can call
me a fake if you want. Sounds like Ron calls it that. So what. You want to send
him to speech
school? So far, there is no evidence of a fraud. Only the Doc thing, SOD/SOG
embellishment,
and the USASASF unknown acronym. Not much of a case. BTW, the page
http://asa.npoint.net/
does reference the world wide badge. You have just lied.
>Because Ron Hood was changing his story daily, screaming, squealing,
sniveling,
>whining, threatening, complaining, insulting, pissing, moaning, attacking,
and crying
>like a baby, I decided to check out his Educational background. In e-mail
to Steve
>Waterman and Larry Bailey, Ron Hood vigorously defended his use of the
title of
>Doctor. However, following is the response I got from Pepperdine University
when I
>checked.
> From: "Archer, M. Luisita" lar...@pepperdine.edu
> To: "'Anderson, Michael A. fat...@mozcom.com
> Cc: "Campbell, Talmage" talmage....@pepperdine.edu
> Subject: Ronald D. Hood's Status
> Mr. Anderson:
>"In response to your inquiry regarding Ronald D. Hood, I can verify
>that he has been a doctoral student at Pepperdine in the Graduate
School of
>Education and Psychology and was working towards an Ed.D. degree."
>He is at the ABD (all but dissertation) stage when he last attended in
the
>summer of 1997 but has not completed this requirement." "In other
words, he has
>not graduated."
>"The title of "Doctor" is not appropriate for use by this
>student."
> [snipped]
>M. Luisita Archer
>Dr. M. Luisita Archer
>University Registrar Voice: 310/456-4381
>Pepperdine University FAX: 310/317-7517
>Malibu, CA 90263-4382 E-mail: Lar...@pepperdine.edu
Gee, since he pissed you off you did this? Not to find the truth? I see. Also,
what did you snip
out? Gee, could it be something talking nice about Ron? Can’t have that. We know
you have a
certain skew to this attack. And this proves it.
>This bit of news did not come as a shock. When we informed Ron Hood of the
>findings from Pepperdine University and the fact that he was not authorized
to call
>himself "Doctor" he, yet once again, revised his Web Page; promptly.
>In this latest revision, Ron Hood simply changed "Dr. Ron Hood" to "Doc"
Ron.
>To date, Ron Hood has obstructed our investigation to ascertain exactly his
>Educational background and his specific Military Training and History as he
claimed
>in his own words on the World Wide Web. He is now talking about "Reasonable
>Privacy Expectations". He feels he can make statements about his Service
and
>Education to promote his Business on the World Wide Web, BUT it is
unacceptable
>for anyone to attempt to verify his Statements. He is using the old tried
and failed
>Wannabe ploy of "All questions related to my Military Service must be
reported to
>Military Intelligence". And, "It is illegal to try and access my Records".
He waffles,
>he wavers, he revises and he invents. Basically, Ron Hood uses that well
known ploy,
>the Wannabe Shuck and Jive.
Yes, he is an evil man who must be killed. We all know that. C’mon, if you have a
good
argument, you don’t need to personally attack the guy. The facts should speak for
themselves.
>Following is an e-mail in which Ron Hood tried to scare us off of verifying
his
>Claims.
> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:12:21 -0700
> To: "Michael A. Anderson"
> From: Ron Hood
> Subject: Re: Army Security Agency Special Warfare Units
> "Mike, I suggest you read Stanton's "Vietnam Order of Battle" as I
> suggested initially. Under the chapter of "Special Warfare Units" he
includes, in this order.....
> Army Security Agency, Military Intelligence, Civil affairs and
Psychological operations, Army
> Special Forces and MACV Special Operations. Throughout my tenure we
were referred to
> as "Special Warfare Units". This included my time in Turkey as well.
In addition to being
> called SOD we were called SOG (Special Operations Groups) This became
confusing when
> the MACV Studies and Observations Group was moved to Saigon from
Cholon and began
> to share resources with us. You are beating a dead horse. I have
reported your investigation to the
> Department of the Army U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command as
I am required to do. I've
> given them the information you have given me about yourself. Clearly
you have little understanding
> of your situation nor do you understand the problem
> you have made for your "informant" who has now been revealed to me.
> I will deal with him separately. Happy hunting.
> Ron"
>In the above e-mail Ron Hood references Stanton's "Vietnam Order of
Battle". This is
>the only place we can find ASA referred to as "Special Warfare Units". Be
advised
> that Stanton is not the last authority on this issue. The ASA Personnel
and ASA
>Organizations we researched and contacted do not use Stanton's designation
of
>"Special Warfare Units" for ASA Units.
So now you attack Stantons since it doesn’t support your position? So what if it
says that.
Look, my brother was a Ranger. Rangers are considered Special Forces. They don’t
usually
call themselves that. No one else does either. But he could use it to describe
himself and not
be lying. This section is no proof of a lie or proof of an embellishment.
>Further, this e-mail is intended to scare us off our attempt to verify Ron
Hood's claims
>of Military Service with his reference to: "I have reported your
investigation to the
>Department of the Army U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command as I am
>required to do." If anyone believes that the United States Army's
Intelligence and
>Security Command has any concerns over our trying to verify Ron Hood's own
>Statement about his own Military Service, I have a large gold painted
bridge in San
>Francisco I want to sell you cheap! This is a particularly illogical
attempt by Ron
>Hood to scare us off. Here, he is suggesting that it is OK for him to make
Statements
>about his Military Service on the World Wide Web to promote his Business,
but if an
>attempt is made to verify his own Statements, he must report it to Military
Intelligence
>and Security Command. Ya, right!
Oh I see. If he is an ex-Army Intelligence guy, and you are investigating him, it
could be a
breach of security if your contacts in the ASA or other units tell you anything
about him. I
think they could be interested in knowing. Don’t want anyone giving away info
they ain’t
supposed to. So far, there is nothing here to lead me to believe that the Army
would not be
interested. This is just a bunch of talk so far. No evidence of anything here
either.
>Ron Hood is still screaming, squealing, sniveling, whining, threatening,
complaining,
>insulting, pissing, moaning and attacking. In short, he is doing all the
things that
>Wannabes do when they are confronted. Authentic Veterans may get angry when
>questioned about their Bona Fides, but it takes them about two hours to
resolve the
>issues. Ron Hood hasn't done anything like an authentic Veteran. He has
sent vague
>threats about some action he is going to take against us/me at some future
date.
Now you’re using that strawman again to try to make the link. Ron whines,
wannabees
whine, so therefore, Ron is a wannabee. Not a good enough argument yet.
>As with all the people we investigate, we have been open, honest and
professional
>with Ron Hood. Still, he refuses to cooperate and he misrepresents and mis
>characterizes our investigation as some sort of personal vendetta and
unduly and
>unfair prosecution aimed solely at ruining his Business and his Reputation.
Among his
>complaints, he feels we are invading his "Privacy". He conveniently
overlooks the
>fact that we are only trying to verify the Statements HE made on the World
Wide
>Web. I submit it is Ron Hood who has ruined his own reputation through his
lies and
>misrepresentations.
Haha! Threatening his wife at the Post Office is professional. What a lie! I
haven’t seen
anything professional here. There are a lot of personal attacks, etc. And I
think you are not
being honest in that you snipped part of Pepperdine’s letter about Ron. A section
I’m sure
supported Ron as a good guy. How convenient, since it doesn’t support this skewed
webpage.
> Here is Ron Hood posing for one of his commercials. His
> Vietnam tattoo is clearly visible.
So, he was in Vietnam. Wasn’t he?
> Here, in another commercial, Ron Hood's Special
> Forces Ring is visible. We have testimony that this is a Special
Forces Ring.
Well, you may have him here. So we have the Doc thing, SOD/SOG thing, USASASF
thing,
and he’s wearing a ring that may not belong to him. Of course, people who see it
may think
he was in SF. This could be a fabrication on his part. But then, civilians
wouldn’t recognize the
ring. Only militart might. It could be that someone gave it to him. If so, that’s
nice. But he
shouldn’t wear it anyway. So I say you got him for wearing a ring he didn’t earn,
that could
mislead people. But we don’t know if it was intentional or he just wore it cause
he doesn’t know
better, or he wore it cause one of his buddies gave it to him and it has special
meaning to Ron.
This may or may not be a lie/embellishment. But you could definitely call it a
mistake. Something
he shouldn’t do again. So we have the Ring is wrong, the Doc thing, the SOD/SOG
thing, and the
USASASF thing.
>It is no coincidence, that Ron Hood's Vietnam Tattoo and Special Forces
Ring are
>prominently displayed in the above commercial Photographs supporting his
Business.
>Connecting himself to Vietnam and Special Forces makes a great promotional
>advertisement for his Business.
Really. Do you have evidence of this? This is speculation. You still haven’t
proven a link there.
Also, get off the Vietnam tattoo thing. He was there. You know it.
>The fact that he was never "assigned" to or a "member" of Special Forces is
a small
>fact he conveniently overlooks.
Like I said above. He may have a reason for wearing that ring. Probably the wrong
reason
or a bad reason. But it doesn’t mean he did it on purpose to sell tapes.
Especially since he
has never on any of his tapes or on his forum call himself a Green Beret.
>Ron Hood decided to take his case public. In addition to complaining about
our
>attempt to verify his Military Service on the Forum he runs connected to
this Web
>Site, he posted the following on the alt.war.vietnam News Group entitled
"Fatmike,
>the real wannabee (Long)". I was unable to respond to this Posting by Ron
Hood
>because our investigation was still under way and we had not made Ron
Hood's name
>public.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:10 PM
> Subject: Fatmike, the real wannabee (Long)
> Hi folks,
> I gotta fess up... I'm the guy Fatmike is after. I'll tell you about
> me after I tell you a bit about fatmike.
> [snipped ]
> About me:
> My name is Ron Hood. My education: I have an Ed.D. (ABD) at
> Pepperdine University. This means I have done everything for my
doctorate but
> complete my dissertation final presentation and graduation. Folks call
> me "Doc" sometimes but a few magazines decided to call me Dr.(who
> the hell knows what an ABD is anyway, they say).
> [snipped]
>Here Ron Hood states again that he has an Ed. D from Pepperdine. Based on
the
>information from Pepperdine University above, that simply is not true and
it is
>intentionally misleading. Having a Ed.D. from Pepperdine University is like
being
>pregnant. You either are or you are not pregnant. You can't be a "little
bit pregnant".
>Neither can you have a Ed. D. all accept for "finishing it and graduating".
You either
>have an Ed. D. or you don't. Ron Hood does not.
What an idiot. He said he still needs to give his dissertation. How about reading
the whole
story!
>The above comment about magazines calling him Doctor is a total
misrepresentation.
>Remember, Ron Hood first defended his use of the title Doctor. He left "Dr.
Ron
>Hood" on his Web Page through two revisions. It was only after we presented
him
>with the e-mail from Pepperdine University, that he decided to lay the
blame on the
>magazines and, yet once again, he revised his Web Page.
Splitting hairs. So what. I already answered that lots of people are called
“DOC”. Since
being a DOC has nothing to do with survivalism. This doesn’t mean much. Also, if
anyone
ever asks Ron, he’ll state that he still needs to give his dissertation. He is
not lying per se.
>One of Ron Hood's many Commercial activities is with a company that
produces
>Combat Knives; Busse Combat Knives. Ron Hood promotes these Knives on his
Web
>Page. Click HERE to view an article Ron Hood wrote promoting these knives.
Note,
>the article is signed, "by Dr. Ron Hood".
> [continued]
> "I was in the US Army for 3 years 11 months
> and 4 days (Jun, '63through May, 67). I was in training for roughly 6
> months at Ft. Devens MA, in the Army Security Agency (ASA). During
that
> time I was given a Top Secret/Codeword clearance. My MOS was 982
(98C20).
> My first duty assignment was on a hill in Northern Turkey where I
served 11
> months and ten days (I counted them). I spent
> a lot of time with the local folk and studied their wilderness living
> skills. This included staying with a group of Kurdish Turks who
> had lived in the area for generations AND with the local Turkish
> Garrison (Askari) with whom I had a friendly working relationship."
> [snipped]
>Ron Hood was stationed in Sinop Turkey and assigned to TUSLOG DET 4. This
>installation was located approximately 75 miles north west of Samsun
Turkey. This is
>in the middle of Turkey's tobacco and cotton growing region. It is on the
coast of the
> Black Sea. The overwhelming vast majority of the population in this area,
that are not
> Fishermen, are directly involved in growing tobacco and cotton; they are
Farmers.
> One can only wonder at which "Wilderness Living Skills" Ron Hood studied
from
> these Farmers and Fishermen. AND, remember, in his original Statement,
these local
> people were "TRIBESMEN".
>"Throughout my service we were referred to as "Special Warfare Units".
> [snipped]
Oh BFD, what’s a tribesman. You haven’t proven Ron has lied. You’ve only stated
his
service record. This record is not diametrically opposed to his statement. There
is no evidence
of any wrongdoing here. This is a weak argument.
>This is a typical example of Ron Hood taking something of fact and then
twisting it to
>suit his needs, add creditability to and defend this lies. Above, Ron Hood
is saying
>that throughout his service his ASA Unit was known as "Special Warfare
Units". Ron
>Hood Served from 1963 until 1967. No other ASA Veteran or ASA Historical
>Organization refers to ASA Units as "Special Warfare Units". Only Ron Hood
and
>Stanton's "Vietnam Order of Battle" refer to ASA Units as "Special Warfare
Units.
>BUT, Stanton's "Vietnam Order of Battle" was Published in 1987 by Galahad
Books,
>New York, Ny. So, Ron Hood is taking a Unit Designation USED ONLY BY
>Stanton in 1987 and saying that was the Designation used in 1963 to 1967
for ASA
>Units. "In addition to being called SOD (Special Operations Detachments) we
> were referred to as SOG (Special Operations Groups). This became
> confusing when the MACV Studies and Observations Group (SOG)
> was moved to Saigon from Cholon and began to share resources with us."
> [snipped]
>We contacted MACV-SOG Personnel, Special Forces Personnel and ASA
Historical
>Personnel and no one could make the connection between ASA Units and the
acronym
>SOG (Special Operations Groups).
You could be referred to SOG in country. Did you talk to them?
>The correct Unit designation for an ASA Unit in
>direct Support to a Special Forces Unit was SOD (Special Operations
Detachment).
>There was only one ASA Unit in Vietnam in direct support of a Special
Forces Unit.
>That was the 403d Radio Research SOD in Support of the 5th Special Forces
Group..
>Ron Hood's Records, shown at the bottom of this Page, clearly show he had
no
>connection with the 403d Radio Research SOD.
Really. How about contacting others from Ron’s old units and asking them. Your
research
is incomplete until you do. If anyone can call Ron a liar, it’s his own people.
>Further, Ron Hood is suggesting that ASA Units were known as "Special
Warfare
>Units", AND "Special Operations Groups" AND "Special Operations
Detachments".
>One has to wonder how the Army keep from getting them confused. I am
already
>confused. But, that is what Ron Hood tries to do, it is called subterfuge.
No, it may not be what the official names are. But it doesn’t mean that they
weren’t called
that by others. Just like Stanton’s book.
>Ron Hood invented the ASA designation of "SOG" to more closely associate
himself
>with Special Forces and MACV-SOG.
Really. Could be an embellishment. We’ve already been over this. You have the
Ring thing,
SOD/SOG thing, Doc thing, and USASASF thing. But you haven’t proven that Ron is
not
trained in the stuff he teaches. Only that his service is maybe a little
colorful. But you haven’t
shown or proven that he lied to help his business.
> "Mike is very unhappy that my web resume said "SOG" instead of "SOD". I
guess I need to be
> punished so I changed the "G" to a "D"."
>This is a BALD FACED lie by Ron Hood. When we advised him that "SOG" was
>inappropriate to use with ASA Units and that our research was unable to
establish any
>connection between ASA and the acronym SOG, he voluntarily and promptly
revised
>his Web Page. Just like he voluntarily and promptly changed "Doctor" to
"Doc"Ron.
>One has to wonder, if Ron Hood's information on his Web Page was originally
>authentic and factual, why did he keep revising it.
So people like you would quit nitpicking.
> "Let me tell you what I did do wrong. I let a local guy work my
website
> [sic] (I'm sort of a klutz at that stuff) and he rewrote my 4 sentence
bio
> from editor's notes on magazine articles to include "attached to
> Special Forces". OOPs..... Guess dinky dau Mike should ruin my
>business for that one! Of the thousands of videos we have sold over
>the last three years, not one mentions SF. The only place that has
> ever seen print was when some copy writer chose to make "Special
> Warfare" into "Special Forces"... They've also written "Special
>Services"..... I never claimed to be a card carrying SF guy. I was in
>a unit that never had a song written for it."
>Above, Ron Hood makes a dramatic and telling change in his story on this
post to
> alt.war.vietnam. He first vigorously defended his membership in Special
Forces to us.
> Now he blames it on a copy writer. The moment Ron Hood made this Post to
> alt.war.vietnam we knew he was a Fraud and a liar. He had already told us
he was
> assigned to, and a member of Special Forces
He never said he was special forces. Where?
> Below is the e-mail Ron Hood sent me defending his Special Forces Service.
> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 15:16:28 -0700
> To: "Michael A. Anderson"
> From: Ron Hood
> Subject: Re: DD-214/information
> In-Reply-To: <005901bf55ab$4da39d00$f4f4a0d0@fatmike>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for your information.
>No problem with the DD214 and the National records. Whatever you
>find will support my actions in Vietnam.
>What does confuse me however is your reliance on the SF guys for
>validation. As I said in the bio, I was "Assigned to the Army Special
>Forces (USASASF)..." and as I stated in my earlier letter I was ASA
>TAREX. Our mission was as members of and in support of the SF
operations.
> [snipped]
>Ron
> In the above e-mail, Ron Hood says specifically, " I was "Assigned to the
Army
> Special Forces (USASASF)..." and as I stated in my earlier letter I was ASA
> TAREX. Our mission was AS MEMBERS OF and in support of the SF
> operations." Before Ron Hood tries to deny he sent the above e-mail, I have
the
> original with the complete identifying header.
>Now, however, Ron Hood finds it convenient to blame a copy writer for
mistakenly
> changing "Special Warfare Units" to "Special Forces". In Ron Hood's
original
> Statement, he used the acronym USASASF (United States Army Security Agency
> Special Forces). It is highly unlikely that a simple copy writer would
invent this
> complicated acronym on his own. Ron Hood is a bald face liar!
He was ASA TAREX, not Special Forces. He said he was “in support of” Special
Forces. This
is not the same as being “one of them”. He could be “a member of” but not
actually be assigned
to the unit. When they stuck a machine gun on my infantry squad/bat., they could
be called
members of my unit. If Ron ever worked with Special Forces he could claim this
and it would
be true. So far, you haven’t proven he lied. If you can prove that he never had
any contact with
or supported any Special Forces, then I would agree with you that he is a liar.
Until that time,
there is not enough here to say he lied so I’m rejecting this argument too. And
you’re speculating
the “highly unlikely” part. That is not good detective work. It is only there to
support your argument
again.
>The reason Ron Hood decided to change his story on this critical point, is
because he
>knew he could not defend his original "assigned" to and "Members of"
Special
>Forces claim and the acronym USASASF. The reason is, ASA Units were
basically
>Communication Units. They carried out Secret and Classified Communication
> Operations. Because of the nature of their Classified Operations, they were
not
> "assigned" to any other Unit or Organization. They maintained their own
Command
>Structure. They worked only in "Support" of many different Units including
South
>Vietnamese Units, Regular U.S. Army and Marine Units and Army Special
Forces
>Units among others.
So here you agree with me. Ron could be “in support of” SF. He also said part of
their mission
was to be assigned to the units. Please provide documentation to show that you
disagree with
this and I may agree with you.
>Ron Hood's assignment as a 98C20; "Cryptanalytic Traffic Analyst" in the
ASA
>Support Operations to these many other Units didn't promote his Business or
inflate
>his ego. So, the took the ASA 403d Radio Research SOD Unit's Support roll
to the 5th
>Group Special Forces and from that he fabricated HIS membership in Special
Forces
>and then, he created the acronym USASASF to add credibility. Then to defend
his
>fabrications, he started lying and he is still lying.
You still need to provide info that he fabricated this. Also, you need to provide
info that his
unit did not have this role and the individuals in his unit were never assigned
these duties.
>Ron Hood's logic of being able to embellish and misrepresent his Service
simply
>because he is a Vietnam Veteran in order to promote his Business is
dishonest and
>dishonorable. Some people embellish their Service for many different
reason, all of
>them wrong. But, Ron Hood was doing it on the Internet to promote his
Business and
>we find that particularly reprehensible and loathsome. Our attitude toward
this is one
>of "ZERO" tolerance.
>Add Ron Hood's misrepresenting his Military History to his erroneously
calling
>himself "Doctor" and you have a real, 100% authentic Wannabe. It is sad
that a
>Vietnam Veteran would do this. Simply because a Veteran was in a Non
Combatant
>Support roll, they are NO LESS HONORABLE than any other Veteran. ASA
>Personnel Served Honorably and Courageously in Vietnam. Several Members of
ASA
>Units were killed in action. We fail to understand why Ron Hood didn't
simply say he
>was a was 98C20, "Cryptanalytic Traffic Analyst" and that he served
honorably and
>made a valuable contribution to the War effort. Why lie? Why misrepresent?
You haven’t proven that he lied. You also haven’t proven that some of his units
did not
have the roles he stated. You need to give us info from members of his unit, at
the time Ron
served, to show us it’s indeed true.
>During this investigation Ron Hood informed us that he had reported us to
the
>Department of the Army U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command and to
>Federal Investigators. We are still waiting to hear from these Authorities.
Ron Hood
>and his "Disciples" did manage to get Geo Cities to take down some of the
Files on
>my Web Page. Ironically, the files taken down included my DD-214. This is
the very
>document Ron Hood has steadfastly refused to produce. Ron Hood, a Mr. Chris
>Harris and "others" complained to my ISP in an attempt to get my e-mail
service
>stopped. This is common Wannabe practice. My ISP is used to it by now.
Yes we are disciples. Yes, Master. Haha. I was one of those guys. You attacked
him with little
information. You remind me of the Ragin’ Cajun, Carville. You have only stated
military
record info that does not list details of Ron’s service. Have you contacted those
he served with?
What did they say? Did you contact his unit? No. Just general info. If you want
us to believe
you, get some of the guys from his unit to tell us the truth. This is your
challenge. Otherwise,
you just have a few embellishments. With no real harm.
>As our investigation progressed we received e-mail from individuals who
testified
>that Ron Hood repeatedly told them that he was a Vietnam Special Forces
Veteran.
>They also testified that he told stories of his involvement in Special
Forces "Black
>Ops" in Chile under Augusto Pinochet, the Chilean Military and Political
leader, to
>anyone who would listen.
This is third-hand information, not evidence. Can you prove that he said this?
Can you prove
that it’s not true?
>Ron Hood has attempted to STEAL the Courage and Honor of the REAL United
States
> Army Special Forces Personnel. He tried to do that to promote his on-line
Business
>and to inflate his ego. To date, Ron Hood lacks the basic honor and courage
to admit
>he lied and he is still lying. We have informed Ron Hood that, like all the
Phonies we
>investigate, he must confess, apologize and pledge to never misrepresent
his Military
>Service History again. He refuses and is threatening "Legal Action".
>Here is Ron Hood's e-mail address. I am sure he would like to hear from
you. Ron
>Hood
> UPDATE: August 05, 2000.
> We received this date, Ron Hood's Military Service Records from National
> Personnel Records in St. Louis Missouri. They follow.
> Ron Hood
> RA 19775324
> Dates of Service: 6/26/63 - 5/31/67
> Rank Spec 4
> Awards - National Defense, Vietnam Campaign, Meritorious Unit,
> Vietnam Service, Good Conduct, Marksman/Rifle
> Education: Los Angeles Valley College 30 hours 1963
> Military Ed: Comm Sec Clk MOS 98C.00 1963 Traf Anal 98C.10
> 1964
> mos
> 27 Jun 63 - Basic - Fort Ord 006.00
> 3 Oct 63 Svc School Basic Anal 980.00
> 14 Nov 63 Svs School Traf Anal 982.10 Ft Devens Mass
> 12 Aug 64 Traffic Anal 982.10 Ops Co TUSLOG DET 4 USAREUR
> Next begins Ron Hood's 1st Tour of Vietnam Service
> 26 Apr 65 " 982.10 A co 3DRRU USARPAC
> 27 May 66 casual enroute to 14th USASA FS
> This date ends Ron Hood's 1st Tour in Vietnam. Total time in Country
> approximately 1 year and 1 month.
> 12 Jul 66 traffic 98C.20 Hg 14th USASAFS (AS60140F) APOSF
> This date begins Ron Hood's 2nd Tour in Vietnam.
> 23 Sept 66 traffic anal 98C.20 509th RRGp (6509) APO96307
> 6 Oct 66 " " 313th RRBn APO96350
> 20 Oct 66 " " 330th RRC APOSF96355
> This date ends Ron Hood's 2nd Tour in Vietnam. Time in Vietnam on
> this tour is approximately 3 months and 7 days.
> 1 Jan 67 " " Hg 14th USAFS(AS60140F) APOSF96502
> 1 Mar 67 " " Hq 14th USASAFS (AS60140F)APOSF9605
> 30 Mar 67 casual
> 1 May 67 RAD CALIF
> END
>Ron Hood spent a total of 1 year, 4 months and a few days in Vietnam. His
original
>Statement said he spent "Almost two years" in Vietnam. This is another
exaggeration
>and fabrication of Ron Hood's.
>Finally, the message here is clear to Vietnam Veterans, Veterans and non
Veterans
>alike. Do not purposely misstate, mislead, misrepresent or lie about your
Military
>Service.
You haven’t proven that he purposely did it. All you have is the first part of an
investigation. You
have enough to allege that he lied. And his record seems to show that maybe he
is. But! You have
not proven he has. Nor have you proven he did it to promote his businesss. His
service record is not the end of the story. It’s only the beginning. Any
investigator worth his salt would not stop where you did. You asked the right
questions. But you didn’t finish. For instance, you found his unit and assumed
based on some opinions that he could never have been around SF. But is that true?
Just because others said it was? Did you contact those in Ron’s specific units?
Why not? They would know the truth. If you were interested in the truth you would
do this. If you don’t then I’m afraid your information is lacking key points. You
found no evidence to support Ron’s info, so you hang him as guilty. Instead, you
should assume he is innocent until you have exhausted all avenues of
investigation. Only then can you make your estimation of his guilt. I’m afraid if
you don’t do this step. People will think your investigation is faulty and that
you are insincere. Do you want us to believe that? If you’re a true professional
investigator then I think not. So go investigate more and let us know what you
find out. So far, you only have that Ron may be wearing a ring he’s not supposed
to, SOG/SOD booboo, DOC booboo, and USASASF booboo. That says that Ron
embellished some minor points. But it doesn’t say he lied about being involved
with Special Forces and having received wilderness training. Please investigate
this further and report your findings.
New update:
Also, you are in error about the “world wide badge”. this points to lack of a
complete investigation. Look at http://asa.npoint.net/. Again, you are in error.
USASASF does exist, but it's called USASAFS. Check
http://asa.npoint.net/asalinks.htm. So there is no USASASF booboo. A typo at
best. Only the ring, the SOG/SOD, the DOC booboo. We’ll ignore the DOC booboo
since it doesn’t relate to his military service. So we only have the
SOG/SOD/USASASF booboo and the ring thingy. By Ron’s pictures on his webpage you
can see him with SF types. So that is a lie or bad investigation on your part.
Let’s see what I can find out.
Last update: Okay didn’t find any info on the ring. So you have three “issues”
with Ron that relate to his military service. The ring and the SOD/SOG/USASASF.
That’s not much to go on Mike. Can you maybe ask Ron why he’s wearing the ring.
If his answer is not to your liking then you busted him for wearing a ring he
shouldn’t wear. But civilians won’t know what it is. So his only problems could
come from his fellow vets. Not that big a deal in my book. Like I said, “Ron
never stated he was a bonafide Green Beret”. So all you got left is the SOD/SOG
and USASAFS thingies. Ok, I’ll give you those. But you never proved he did it to
mislead people and it could be just a typo. BTW, you reference page
http://www.pownetwork.org/ as having a complete list of POWs there. My uncle
isn’t listed there. Another so-called good list. You better do better research
buddy.
We are awaiting your response.
Jaywalke
>Just a thought, how many fake their 'outdoor' credentials here
>in this newsgroup?
I no longer take my credentials hiking. They are nice to look
at, but they do not keep me warm at night and are just too
freaking heavy. They do a much better job in my office,
supporting my monitor.
>Dishonesty is highly prevalent in our society - go figure.
That's a lie!
Jaywalke
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If he does NOT have the proper training he claims you're a dead duck so to
speak.
In article <398F17D8...@ti.com>, John Holladay <J...@ti.com> writes:
>Just a thought, how many fake their 'outdoor' credentials here in this
>newsgroup?
>
Ed Huesers
> Just a thought, how many fake their 'outdoor' credentials here in this
> newsgroup?
That is a good thought John, one that people need to keep in mind
when asking advice from the group, a person that lurks on this newsgroup
long enough could string a good line.
I have picked up enough information to feel more qualified in areas I
hadn't previously considered myself proficient at.
Ed Huesers
http://www.grandshelters.com
joe
Note: Your answers will be posted to all the newsgroups you have been
posting to
about Ron. If you do not answer, then that is what I will post. These
questions are logical questions and not designed to pigeonhole you in anyway
as you can see for yourself.
1. Did you contact Ron's old unit, his buddies from that unit, officers,
etc. in your
investigation and did they verify to you that Ron never dealt with any
special forces? Cites please.
2. Did you contact the Special Forces units in question and did they tell
you they
never heard of Ron? Cites please.
3. Did you contact the ASA, etc. and ask them to verify Ron working with
Special
Forces?
4. How did your investigation miss the World Wide Badge as actually
existing, easily found on the ASA webpage?
5. I think that you did bad detective work (3 above) in that you got his
record and
stopped there. That's like getting a college transcript but never asking
his teachers to supply a synopsis of the class. I think you need to
complete this investigation if you want the charges to be taken seriously.
This glaring mistake leaves your entire investigation as suspect. What do
you say about this?
Mike B.
qualifications it'd be real easy to do what this person is saying.
Jerry M. Wright
there is plenty of room for inflation. I looked at Ron's page and
there are a couple of things that tell me he probably was in my old
outfit. What his specific job was is open to debate and closed to
substantiation. I think the original poster went overboard in the
criticism and Ron has slipped a gear somewhere along the line. Keep
in mind that Ron states he has a degree in marketing and that is
exactly what the web site is doing. Marketing. I would evaluate it
as any TV commercial. Some truth with lots of spin.
joe
been in the military knows that you do things that don't show up on the record.
FatMike could have contacted some of Ron Hood's units but it doesn't look like he
did. Heck, if
he did a thorough investigation I'd believe him. But it looks otherwise. He needs
to
investigate his allegations better before posting this stuff.
"Mike B." wrote:
> I'd say he raised some valid points. In this day and age of falsifying
> qualifications it'd be real easy to do what this person is saying.
>
> In article <39903C30...@yahoo.com>, joe <j...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
joe
hard
pressed to answer specifically in some cases cause a lot of that stuff is
classified. But
the guy FatMike went on this very agressive, venom-filled, attack. I think that
he needs
to give us more to go before we label Ron a fraud. Heck, he could be. But I don't
think
we've seen enough evidence about it. If FatMike can give more evidence it would
help
his cause a lot. Otherwise there is too much room for inflation by Mike or Ron. I
personally don't feel that Ron did too much inflating. Maybe a little marketing
spin. But
I don't think he committed out and out fraud. I think he tells the truth about
being around
Special Forces. So, if Mike wants to label him a fraud the burden of proof is
really on
Mike. Anything less is an incomplete investigation. Thanks for listening.
"Jerry M. Wright" wrote:
> By the nature of the work it is impossible to verify Ron's version so
> there is plenty of room for inflation. I looked at Ron's page and
> there are a couple of things that tell me he probably was in my old
> outfit. What his specific job was is open to debate and closed to
> substantiation. I think the original poster went overboard in the
> criticism and Ron has slipped a gear somewhere along the line. Keep
> in mind that Ron states he has a degree in marketing and that is
> exactly what the web site is doing. Marketing. I would evaluate it
> as any TV commercial. Some truth with lots of spin.
>
> On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:58:24 -0700, joe <j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
Eugene Miya
Ed Huesers <e...@grandshelters.com> wrote:
>John Holladay wrote:
>> Just a thought, how many fake their 'outdoor' credentials here in this
>> newsgroup?
Er?
What credentials?
School of hard knocks?
Guide certification is enough of a joke.
Lee
Jerry M. Wright
>Yeah that's the problem with the substantiation. Ron, being in the ASA, would be
>hard
>pressed to answer specifically in some cases cause a lot of that stuff is
>classified. But
>the guy FatMike went on this very agressive, venom-filled, attack. I think that
>he needs
>to give us more to go before we label Ron a fraud. Heck, he could be. But I don't
>think
>we've seen enough evidence about it. If FatMike can give more evidence it would
>help
>his cause a lot. Otherwise there is too much room for inflation by Mike or Ron. I
>
>personally don't feel that Ron did too much inflating. Maybe a little marketing
>spin. But
>I don't think he committed out and out fraud. I think he tells the truth about
>being around
>Special Forces. So, if Mike wants to label him a fraud the burden of proof is
>really on
>Mike. Anything less is an incomplete investigation. Thanks for listening.
>
The problem with FatMike's position is that he clearly has no
understanding of the nature of the work, just what target exploration
really means, and how units coordinate. That's where the spin doctor
has a field day. There are many people quite happy about the level of
ignorance about how things acutally work in intelligence gathering.
The Puzzle Palace is a good read.
Karen
>Otherwise there is too much room for inflation by Mike or Ron. I
>
> personally don't feel that Ron did too much inflating. Maybe a little
marketing
> spin. But
> I don't think he committed out and out fraud. I think he tells the truth
about
> being around
> Special Forces.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ron is guilty of a bit of puffery regarding his
military experiences and background, but nothing as serious as Fatmike's
accusations. What really surprises me is Ron's inappropriate use of the "Dr"
title. He let that "mistake" slip by uncorrected for a number of years, even
on his own website... isn't that deliberately misleading? Unfortunately, it
does cast aspersions on his integrity and intent on the military questions.
Sorry to say this, but it seems like a stupid move for a smart guy,
especially since these things are meaningless when you consider his survival
training experience for the last 30 years.
k
Chris Kelly
Sorry if you like this guy... but the 'mis-statements' he made can only be
called lies. If you embelish your service record, you are lying. If you
claim a degree you don't have you are lying. If you say you are in the
Army,
but only the reserves, or are a reserve cop, and claim to be a cop, you are
lying. You sure are defending this guy... but he lied about his service
record.
Some things are indefensible. Whether he has some unspecified 'wilderness
training' or not... he lied about his involvement with Special Forces.
Why are you going to such great lengths to defend something that is
indefensible.
Chris
"joe" <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:398F500...@yahoo.com...
Chris Kelly
and he helped with a Seal Wannabe (just some statements the guy made... he
quickly recanted when he found out they could be immediatly verified. Made
me feel bad for wasting Waterman's time). What a fucking scumbag.... bet
you
his wife has no idea. He is lucky he didn't say he was a Seal. Steve and
his pals
would have put in a personal appearance.
Chris Kelly
Rangers Lead The Way.
<fat_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8mn2l5$h6a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> BEWARE
>
> DR. RON HOOD
>
> OF
>
> "HOOD'S WOODS"
>
> Following is the claim made by Ron Hood originally on his Web Site to
> promote his Wilderness/Survival Business at: http://www.survival.com
>
> "Ron Hood received his early wilderness training as a member of the U.S.
> Army Security Agency Special Warfare Units (TAREX SOG). Assigned to the
> Army Special Forces (USASASF) he served a year in the Middle East
> working with Turkish Askari and Kurdish tribesmen and almost two years
> in Vietnam."
>
> This statement is very impressive and seems to dove tail nicely into Ron
> Hood's Outdoor/Wilderness/Survival Business. However, what Ron Hood
> neglects to say here, and what our investigation discovered, is that he
> was a Army Security Agency Radio Traffic Analyst in Turkey and Vietnam.
> His MOS was 98C20; "Cryptanalytic Traffic Analyst".
>
> What we discovered through our investigation of Ron Hood's Statement is
> that it is a total embellishment and fabrication of his Service
> specifically to promote his Business. Ron Hood received no "Early
> Wilderness Training" in association with his ASA Training. TAREX SOG is
> an inappropriate Unit designation. Ron Hood was not "assigned" to Army
> Special Forces. Ron Hood invented the acronym "USASASF", it does not
> exist. The United States Army's Special Forces had no connection with
> the ASA Communication Unit in Turkey. And, Ron Hood did no "working with
Chris Kelly
There is a large group of people (unfortunately) who fake their records
looking
for more glory. There is a small group hunting these guys down, using the
historians and military records. I have taken a look at this 'Phoney GI'
site
and it checks out. If you want, I know that the various people involved
will be
happy to talk to you over the phone, or in person depending on where you
are.
They take this stuff very seriously, and are very passionate about it. I
have had
(minimal) contact with Steve Waterman, and I can recommend him for a contact
point. A very good guy.
Chris Kelly
"Will" <nos...@noway.com> wrote in message
news:070820001900337727%nos...@noway.com...
> In article <%IGj5.13540$ov2.2...@news-west.usenetserver.com>, Karen
> <QQm...@Qtransport.com> wrote:
>
> > Jeeze... I think he was saying he was in Special Forces when I took his
> > survival class almost 30 years ago... at least that's my recollection.
Has
> > he been lying that long??
>
Chris Kelly
Claiming to be involved with and supporting Special Forces when you had
nothing
to do with them is a pretty big one. The guy still comes across as implying
SF
connections in his website. This is a relatively easy thing to trace. Did
I work with
SF? Yes. Did I deploy with them? No. Did I help them train people, did
they help
me train people, did they train me? Did we train them? Did we go out and
party
together? YES. Was I SF? No.... of course Ranger was enough to make me
happy...
I like the direct action roll more. They still got neater toys :-)
Chris
"joe" <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:39909E89...@yahoo.com...
> Yeah that's the problem with the substantiation. Ron, being in the ASA,
would be
> hard
> pressed to answer specifically in some cases cause a lot of that stuff is
> classified. But
> the guy FatMike went on this very agressive, venom-filled, attack. I think
that
> he needs
> to give us more to go before we label Ron a fraud. Heck, he could be. But
I don't
> think
> we've seen enough evidence about it. If FatMike can give more evidence it
would
> help
> his cause a lot. Otherwise there is too much room for inflation by Mike or
Ron. I
>
> personally don't feel that Ron did too much inflating. Maybe a little
marketing
> spin. But
> I don't think he committed out and out fraud. I think he tells the truth
about
> being around
> Special Forces. So, if Mike wants to label him a fraud the burden of proof
is
> really on
> Mike. Anything less is an incomplete investigation. Thanks for listening.
>
>
Chris Kelly
I have a very good understanding of the work. If you are not involved with
SF, then you are not involved. This guy Ron (?) sounds like he collated
info
which may or may not have been gathered by the SF. He didn't have any
real involment with them.
"Jerry M. Wright" <wrig...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3990e161.1099040@news...
> On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:58:01 -0700, joe <j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
Chris Kelly
and I
can still show documentation and give dates (I would have to go look hard)
and it
was a minor school (Jungle Warfare or whatever the called it down in
Panama).
The stuff this guy is claiming is pretty cut and dried BS. SOG instead of
SOD? That
would be like me claiming to be at Ranger bat for my entire time in the
service instead
of Ranger School. I was not at Batt. To say I was a Batt boy would be a
flat out lie.
Chris
"joe" <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:39908DEB...@yahoo.com...
> Yeah but he needs more proof then just the guys service record. Anyone who
has
> been in the military knows that you do things that don't show up on the
record.
> FatMike could have contacted some of Ron Hood's units but it doesn't look
like he
> did. Heck, if
> he did a thorough investigation I'd believe him. But it looks otherwise.
He needs
> to
> investigate his allegations better before posting this stuff.
>
>
> "Mike B." wrote:
>
> > I'd say he raised some valid points. In this day and age of falsifying
> > qualifications it'd be real easy to do what this person is saying.
> >
> > In article <39903C30...@yahoo.com>, joe <j...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
Chris Kelly
It is a stupid thing to do for a man who may be very well qualified in
survival
training. He could be a great guy. You DON'T lie about your service
record.
Men died in those places, doing those things that people like Ron lie about.
To
claim a part of it falsely, is to take away from the sacrifices that those
men made
for each other, and for us. That he lied about a civilian higher education
degree?
Dishonest... shows a lack of integrity. It does not impunge upon the honor
of
men who have lived and died serving this country... serving us. I may be
coming
across strongly here. I come from a strong military background... and have
served
for 4 1/3 years as a Ranger qualified infantry man. I am also currently
finishing up
my Masters degree from Columbia. If someone lied about a doctoral, I think
they
are an idiot. If someone lies about their service record, and thus
diminishes those
who did accomplish what the wannabe claims... it is an insult to those we
should be
honoring.... I am getting more an more ticked... these people do it to me
every time.
Chris Kelly
ps... you may disagree with the ideas of 'honor' and those others that
military men
and women ascribe to (some don't). But remember when it comes time to fight
and die for your country... it is ideals like those that get ordinary men
and women
like us through the long cold night.
"Karen" <QQm...@Qtransport.com> wrote in message
news:e3gk5.1954$Kg2....@news-west.usenetserver.com...
> joe <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:39909E89...@yahoo.com...
> >Otherwise there is too much room for inflation by Mike or Ron. I
> >
> > personally don't feel that Ron did too much inflating. Maybe a little
> marketing
> > spin. But
> > I don't think he committed out and out fraud. I think he tells the truth
> about
> > being around
> > Special Forces.
>
joe
in Ca. when CA. has no record of your so-called credentials. Hypocrit.
William McLaughlin
>That's pretty funny for a guy who faked his resume to say he was an Engineer
>in Ca. when CA. has no record of your so-called credentials. Hypocrit.
Joe:
Um, two wrongs don't make a right. Whether or not the poster
is a phony or a hypocrite has no bearing on whether "Dr." Hood is also
phony. You can call his lies "embellishment" all you like but, unless
or until you can refute his (apparently well-founded) charges against
"Dr." Hood, any aspersions cast on the author's character are
irrelevant.
Worse, your attacks tend to discredit "Dr." Hood even more,
since such tactics are the hallmark of people caught in a lie (and the
liars' defenders).
Now, for the record, do you know or have any association with
"Dr." Hood or his school? The shrillness of your responses would
suggest that your interest in this matter is more than academic.
Indeed, given the anonymity of your address, you might even be
him.
Mac
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Karen
Chris Kelly <cke...@imsi.com> wrote
> ps... you may disagree with the ideas of 'honor' and those others that
> military men
> and women ascribe to (some don't).
Chris,
Nope, I don't disagree. My husband put in his year in VN (68), and seems to
be one of the few people these days NOT claiming to have been involved with
secret missions and special forces. Since reading your letter I've been
rethinking my feelings on the "puffery" thing. I was looking at it from the
perspective of advertising, but I think you are correct in saying it is
insulting to those who truly performed heroic actions. If Ron is lying about
this, too (clearly his was lying about his title), he deserves to be
exposed. I just don't understand all the military jargon, and checking out
Fatmike's website and Hoods Woods Forum, both camps seem to be slightly
nuts! I think I'm going to opt out of this issue now, while I'm still
safe.... ;-)
k
Will
All I know is, somebody who claims to be an Engineer but maybe really
isn't posted a message on the internet saying that this guy Hood is a
liar. That's good enough for me. Hood is a liar. Period.
Chris Kelly
He is VERY aggressive. He seems to not have 'gotten
it wrong' just yet.
"Karen" <QQm...@Qtransport.com> wrote in message
news:jtDk5.4501$LK4....@news-west.usenetserver.com...
Chris Kelly
Ron said some things that were an obvious fabrication,
then when someone actually spotted them, he changed
it. SOD was not SOG.... that is an outright lie. When
he got cought he changed it... but only when he got
caught. That is like me saying "I was in Delta Force...
oh, you are in Delta... I mean I was a Ranger." If I
said that, I would be lying.
joe
> friend either. And I buy Tom Brown's books, and lots of others. I'd defend Tom
> Brown too. He says some Indian taught him most of his stuff. That may very well
> be a lie. But saying it's a lie isn't good enough. Ya kinda need to have
> something to back it up, or it's just spamming.
> There is more to your service than a DD214. Go see the alt.war.vietnam for guys
> posts about lots of stuff not going into it. A lot of the Vietnam guys,
> especially Intelligence are backing him. The "well-founded charges" he levied
> were based on the DD-214. He stopped there. You can make a case "in general"
> that way, but not specifically. Kinda reminded me of James Carville, the Ragin'
> Cajun. Get one bit of info and go on the bulldog attack. Not my way, I'd like
> to see some rules of evidence apply.
> I can tell you that Ron has said he is not a Dr. He is short his dissertation.
> But he never said he's a special forces guy. He did say he worked with them.
> All in all, I don't care either way. I respect him for his survival skills so I
> buy his tapes.
TheKenoshaKid
listening to your arteries harden.
At least he's there and not here. And the less said, the more that's likely to
remain true.
Be thankful for small favors.
Chris Kelly wrote:
> Fat Mikes web site does seem to be a bit nuts as well.
> He is VERY aggressive. He seems to not have 'gotten
> it wrong' just yet.
>
> "Karen" <QQm...@Qtransport.com> wrote in message
> news:jtDk5.4501$LK4....@news-west.usenetserver.com...
> >
> > Chris Kelly <cke...@imsi.com> wrote
> >
> > > ps... you may disagree with the ideas of 'honor' and those others that
> > > military men
> > > and women ascribe to (some don't).
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> >|<<SNIP>>|
bria...@my-deja.com
Sounds like people here are very quick to condemn Ron Hood based on the
rantings of a guy with a computer in the Phillipines named fat mike --
someone none of you know. Well, I've been guilty of believing things in
these newsgroups, too. It's all too easy to believe what we read.
So, "wanna" know about fat mike?
Did you know that this gentleman has attached himself like a leech to
the actual people who have outed the true fakes (Navy SEAL wannabe's) --
and he's taken credit for having helped on these other busts when he had
absolutely nothing to do with them!
He often uses the words "we" in his bragging of investigations. The
others think he's a bit daft but put up with him because he's hard to
make go away.
These other folks are gentlemen and have in fact busted fakes through
careful investigation and professionalism of conduct all the way
through. Fat Mike has been described by some as the "the poor nerd who
was always picked last for the team" in school, and is pathetically
trying to show the others that he, too, can bust someone. He
desperately seeks acceptance this way, but never gets it from them.
RD Russo, Larry Bailey, and the rest have done good work, and aren't
about to let someone like fat mike ruin their credibility. Notice that
they never have come forward publicly to announce an association with
him? That's because there is none. Only his one-way emails trying to
be "one of the guys." Which he isn't. A wanna-be wanna-be buster.
Sorry to be so harsh on him, but he is trying to destroy a good, honest
man's credibility for his own glory, and who will be the next victim if
we don't put our foot down now?
Because of his private threats to Ron Hood, this gentleman would be
arrested as a stalker if he were in the reach of US law. But he remains
hidden in the Phillipines. By the way, Geocities revoked his web site
because of numerous violations of ethics and standards, not to mention
copyright infringements.
Thanks for listening.
Brian Jones
In article <8mn2l5$h6a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
denver...@gmail.com
grifte...@gmail.com
How does this affect the quality or effectivness of his survival training?
655...@gmail.com
I am weary of people destroying the credibilty of others by using a Controlled Whisper Rumor Mill. If you want to read the Communist and current Democratic Playbook read: Rules For Radicals by Sol Alinksky (the author dedicated it to Lucifer and Hillary Clinton did her thesis on it).
