Svea 123 & Outback Oven...will it explode?
Greg Smith
I have had firsthand experience with an overheated Svea turning into a
flamethrower so I have a healthy respect for their destructive
potential.
I bought an Outback Oven a while back and I've been reluctant to use it
with my Svea 123. I have heard stories (legends?) about the Svea-O.O.
combination becoming a bomb that scatters biscuit shrapnel over a
hundred-yard radius.
Any truth to the stories?
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Greg Smith
greg.n...@worldnet.att.net
N 39.70932 W 84.15972
Les Jones
In article <330A19...@worldnet.att.net>, greg.n...@worldnet.att.net
wrote:
>I have had firsthand experience with an overheated Svea turning into a
>flamethrower so I have a healthy respect for their destructive
>potential.
>
>I bought an Outback Oven a while back and I've been reluctant to use it
>with my Svea 123. I have heard stories (legends?) about the Svea-O.O.
>combination becoming a bomb that scatters biscuit shrapnel over a
>hundred-yard radius.
>
>Any truth to the stories?
Possibly. The message below was posted by a company rep after Cascade
Designs bought Travelling Light, the makers of the Outback Oven. It
specifically says that you should never use the Outback Oven with the Svea
123.
Based on this message, and my own experience with a melted butane stove, I
wouldn't use the Outback Oven with any stove that has an integral fuel
tank. on the other hand, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Outback Oven with
something like an MSR WhisperLite that keeps the burner and tank separate.
----Begin Quoted Message----
**IMPORTANT NOTE**
The Outback Oven is not recommended with some stoves. The first time I used
mine with a butane stove, it melted the valve between the stove and
cartridge. Stoves with a separate fuel bottle - such as the MSR stoves, or
the Coleman Apex - should not have any problems.
The message below was sent to registered Outback Oven owners after Cascade
Designs acquired Traveling Light.
The Outback Oven should never be used with the Optimus 8R or 111B, or the
Svea 123, or other similar Optimus, Svea, and Primus stoves. These stoves
use a high degree of thermal feedback to warm the fuel tank, and when used
with the Outback Oven, can cause the fuel tank to become overpressurized.
Stoves that have fuel tanks beneath the burner should never be used with a
windscreen while using the Outback Oven. Use of a windscreen that encloses
the fuel tank within the stove burner area can cause the fuel tank to
become overpressurized. Many Peak 1 stoves and propane or butane stoves
fall into this category. When used without a windscreen, these types of
stoves work well with the Outback Oven.
FAILURE TO HEED THESE WARNING WHEN USING THE OUTBACK OVEN CAN CREATE EXCESS
PRESSURE IN THE FUEL TANK OF YOUR STOVE, WHICH MAY RESULT IN EXPLOSION OR
SERIOUS INJURY.
Questions to the Cascade Designs Consumer Line at 1-800-531-9531
----End Quoted Message----
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+ Les Jones + Documentation Supervisor, U.S. Internet +
Justin A. Haber
In article <330A38...@coryphaeus.com>, Wayne Dahl
<wa...@coryphaeus.com> wrote:
><snip>
> That's not the Outback Oven's fault. I have used it on other stoves and
> it works great.
>
>
> Greg Smith wrote:
> >
> > I bought an Outback Oven a while back and I've been reluctant to use it
> > with my Svea 123. I have heard stories (legends?) about the Svea-O.O.
> > combination becoming a bomb that scatters biscuit shrapnel over a
> > hundred-yard radius.
> >
> > Any truth to the stories?
Enough so that Cascade Designs, Inc., maker of the Outback Oven, has sent
out letters warning owners not to use the Svea 123, Optimus 8R or 111B or
other similar Optimus, Svea and Primus stoves. The letter also states
that stoves w/fuel tanks beneath the burner should never be used with a
windscreen while using the OO.
--Justin
Wayne Dahl
I've never seen one explode, but once I was heating a flat rock on my
Svea. The rock extened over the tank. The presure in the tank got so
high that the presure relief valve let go (as it was supposed to) and
the jet ignited. We all moved away... :)
I tried the outback oven, and had similar problems. Although it didn't
get as bad, the presure in the tank got so high that I couldn't control
the setting. It was either full on sounding like a jet engine or off.
That's not the Outback Oven's fault. I have used it on other stoves and
it works great.
Greg Smith wrote:
>
> I have had firsthand experience with an overheated Svea turning into a
> flamethrower so I have a healthy respect for their destructive
> potential.
>
> I bought an Outback Oven a while back and I've been reluctant to use it
> with my Svea 123. I have heard stories (legends?) about the Svea-O.O.
> combination becoming a bomb that scatters biscuit shrapnel over a
> hundred-yard radius.
>
> Any truth to the stories?
> --
> Greg Smith
> greg.n...@worldnet.att.net
> N 39.70932 W 84.15972
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Wayne Dahl (wa...@coryphaeus.com) wrote:
: the jet ignited. We all moved away... :)
You get the understatement of the month award.
ROTFL
Greg Smith
Why were you heating a flat rock?
:)
Ron Wong
> I've never seen one explode, but once I was heating a flat rock on my
> Svea. The rock extened over the tank. The presure in the tank got so
> high that the presure relief valve let go (as it was supposed to) and
> the jet ignited.
It *could* have been the excessive pressure in the tank that caused value
to go and, in turn, convert your SVEA into a blow torch but I have found
out that a number of SVEA owners who have had this experience (including
yours truly) have had their stoves for many years when this suddenly
happened. The problem may be due to age. In my case it was due to the fact
that the stove was so old that the heat from all those years of use had
caused something in the relief valve to slowly begin to fail (I believe
there is a rubber ball on the end of a spring in the cap). I kept getting
a little blow torch-like effect out of the end of the relief valve
whenever I had the stove on simmer for too long. I too thought it was due
to excess pressure. Finally, the gasket split from old age and I had a
roaring inferno to deal with. I went to REI and got a new cap instead of
replacing the rubber fittings and the stove worked like new. No more
flames from the relief valve no matter how long I simmered nor how high
the flame (I use the stove with a wind break by the way but I always make
sure there is plenty of air circulation around the base of the stove where
the tank is).
The stove is now 25+ years old and still going strong - but then so are a
lot of SVEAs.
ron
PS. What's with the hot rock?
wentz
In article <ronwong-2002...@dial-upb5.unleashed.net>,
ron...@unleashed.net (Ron Wong) wrote:
> In article <330A38...@coryphaeus.com>, Wayne Dahl
> <wa...@coryphaeus.com> wrote:
>
> > I've never seen one explode, but once I was heating a flat rock on my
> > Svea. The rock extened over the tank. The presure in the tank got so
> > high that the presure relief valve let go (as it was supposed to) and
> > the jet ignited.
My svea is 27 years old. Never exploded. Just keeps on working
perfectly year after year after year. Had to replace some parts once.
I've been trying that flat rock trick to no avail. do you have to
maybe paint it black to get stove to absorb more heat, or maybe a white
rock to get it to reflect heat back to the stove? Perhaps some of that
space shuttle super insulation packed around it like a wind screen. . . .
If I can get it to work I plan on getting on David Letterman on stupid pet
rock svea stove trick nite!!
Heating a flat rock geeez!!
--
Frank Wentz
we...@inlink.com