How to get rid of Jet Ski's?
R. T. Pierrehumbert
use of "personal watercraft" (AKA "jet ski's") These horrid
things sound like floating buzz-saws, and wherever power boating
is allowed, they introduce a severe disturbance to whatever
semblance of calm is left. They are worse than many other
powered craft, because of their speed and noise, and because
the typical jet-skier goes round and round driving you
nuts. He's not interested in going anyplace, just interested
in speed and noise.
On one of the jet ski home pages, I found that people even
take these things on Lake Powell. That really rips up any
chance of getting a bit of quiet in the side canyons there.
Now, my question. I would like to hear from people who have
been involved (successfully or not) in campaigns to regulate
or ban jet-skis. Our immediate problem is with the
lakefront of Lake Michigan here in Evanston, IL. Up
until the jet skis came, this was a real haven for
sailboarding, kayaking, and sailing. There were
some power boats, but they were run for the most
part by responsible owners, and were no big problem.
Now that the jet skis are here, the noise along the lakefront
has become unbearable, and taking out a small low profile
craft like a kayak has become a hazard. I've already seen
several near collisions between kayaks and jet skis.
The town of Evanston would be happy to just ban jet skis outright,
but it seems there is a big snag. The city's power boat
launch ramp was built with Federal assistance. Evidently, one
of the strings attached (as it's been explained to me) is that
it be open for use to any certified water craft. Thus, there
is no way to impose any special regulations on the jet skis.
Has anybody else run up against this? Is there a work-around?
It would be a pity to have to close down the whole power boat
ramp just to get rid of the jet skis, but the skis are getting
to be such a public nuisance that that's just what will
happen if no other solution emerges.
Matthew . Dunne
On 6 Aug 1995, R. T. Pierrehumbert wrote:
> I notice this year that there is a booming increase in sales and
> use of "personal watercraft" (AKA "jet ski's") These horrid
> things sound like floating buzz-saws, and wherever power boating
> is allowed, they introduce a severe disturbance to whatever
> semblance of calm is left. They are worse than many other
> powered craft, because of their speed and noise, and because
> the typical jet-skier goes round and round driving you
> nuts. He's not interested in going anyplace, just interested
> in speed and noise.
>
One possible solution would be a "personal U-boat" equipped with jet-ski
seeking torpedos (or is that torpedoes) :)
Richard Walker
: the typical jet-skier goes round and round driving you
: nuts. He's not interested in going anyplace, just interested
: in speed and noise.
Then convince the local municipality to impose speed and noise
restrictions. Set the fine at $300 and watch them make thousands
on weekends and holidays bagging jet skiers. (Confiscate the
jetski as evidence until they pay the fine...)
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Taggert Jonathan Brooks
: restrictions. Set the fine at $300 and watch them make thousands
: on weekends and holidays bagging jet skiers. (Confiscate the
: jetski as evidence until they pay the fine...)
THat's right, to hell with democracy let the tryanny of the
non-jetskiers rule! When I was recently in the San Jaun islands in the
Pacific NW I noticed alot of paper devoted to banning jet-skiers because
they affect the whale population. First of all I never saw one jet ski in
the water being used( because it was to cold). Second I hardly think jet
skiing affects the whales more then the large ferry Boats. Gimme a Break.
Can't you find a more constructive approach to solving the problem??/
TJ
tjbr...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
Greg Smith
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debjohn
[...]
: Can't you find a more constructive approach to solving the problem??/
Uh, like letting the air out of their vehicles' tires while the hot dogs
are out on the water?
Seriously, after being harassed (and endangered) by a guy on a personal
watercraft while I was surfing, it's difficult for me to imagine a
workable compromise. It'd be great if representatives of both sides could
meet and come to some sort of agreement, but it doesn't seem likely.
Sigh :(
debjohn
Ross Bagley
[...snip...]
The town of Evanston would be happy to just ban jet skis outright,
but it seems there is a big snag. The city's power boat
launch ramp was built with Federal assistance. Evidently, one
of the strings attached (as it's been explained to me) is that
it be open for use to any certified water craft. Thus, there
is no way to impose any special regulations on the jet skis.
Has anybody else run up against this? Is there a work-around?
It would be a pity to have to close down the whole power boat
ramp just to get rid of the jet skis, but the skis are getting
to be such a public nuisance that that's just what will
happen if no other solution emerges.
Why not place a horsepower limit on the lake? A 10hp limit allows
fishing boats, sailboats, person-powered boats (kayaks, rowboats), and
keeps the whole place relatively quiet for those who can listen.
I recently went camping at Lake Texoma (on the Texas-Oklahoma border),
and was awakened to the delightful sound of a supercharged V8 going into
"really loud" mode while preparing to race another similarly equipped
boat. I completely understand your pain. The night before, I fell
asleep listening to the noise of the waves on the shore, and the insects
in the trees.
Needless to say, Lake Texoma has no horsepower limit. I'm not of the
opinion that it really needs one, but I won't be camping within a half
mile of the shore anymore.
-- Ross Bagley bag...@hc.ti.com Member, Technical Staff:
** I do not speak for TI ** Integrated Systems Laboratory,
http://isdn33.eng.uc.edu/~rabagley Texas Instruments
Peter L. Silsbee
: > I notice this year that there is a booming increase in sales and
: > use of "personal watercraft" (AKA "jet ski's") These horrid
: > things sound like floating buzz-saws, and wherever power boating
: > is allowed, they introduce a severe disturbance to whatever
: > semblance of calm is left. They are worse than many other
: > powered craft, because of their speed and noise, and because
: > the typical jet-skier goes round and round driving you
: > nuts.
Ah yes, the aquatic equivalent of snowmobiles. Sometimes I can't
wait for the world's fuel to be used up. Don't forget to mention
the smell. While it would be nice to see the things disappear off
the face of the earth, maybe a more realistic goal would be to
mount an effort to require them (and snowmobiles, and powerboats
in general, and ...) to at least have clean and quiet engines. It's
difficult to reconcile, say, California's "no topping off"
law with the legality of these things which, just sitting on the
beach idling, dribble enough fuel to smell like a damn gas station.
But this is rec.backcountry, so I should pose the question: do y'all
think it's OK to ride a Jet Ski to my trailhead?
-Peter
Greg Smith
to have one but the fact is, they do not belong in most areas.
The problem is that of intrusion. Canoeing, kayaking,
swimming, fishing, and bird watching does not intrude upon the
activity of jet skiing. Jet skiing, on the other hand,
destroys the peace and ruins all the afformentioned activities
for those who enjoy them.
Bottom line: If the activities cannot peacefully coexist,
then the activity which causes the disruption should go.
Since most jet skiers I see do nothing but tear around in
circles to jump their own wakes, maybe they ought to just go
play in a flooded gravel pit or something. They have similar
playgrounds set up for offroad motorcycle enthusiasts. I see
no reason why someone can't set up a private beach or lake for
the express purpose of providing waterbrats a place to make
all the noise they want.
mark t. fuller
M
Ryan O'Neil
<greg.n...@daytonoh.attgis.com> writes:
>
>How about a marine noise ordinance or speed restrictions close
>to shore?
Or maybe someone checking on whether operators have completed the
required safety instruction?
Ryan O'Neil
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R. T. Pierrehumbert
I think this would be really great, but the lake in question
is Lake Michigan, and I think it would be hard to make it
stick.
Herndon R. Elliott
>How about a marine noise ordinance or speed restrictions close
>to shore?
Oh, great! Now we gotta pay (with taxes) for a bunch off Ponch and
Johns to ticket the bastards riding these things. Bad idea.
Better idea - create areas where they are encouraged. I remember the
"Less sound, More Ground" campaign of the dirt bikes in the sixties
and early seventies. Get the industry involved, and maybe ....
Herndon Elliott
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Herndon R. Elliott
snip
>Or maybe someone checking on whether operators have completed the
>required safety instruction?
The what?
I rode one for the first time this past weekend. These things are so
fast they're evil. Damn fun, but sure not worth the $4000 cost of a
new one.
Greg Smith
solution in "JetSki fuel treatment" bottles at carryouts near
lakes.
Stupid people will buy it. The sugar will turn to carbon in
the cylinders and sieze up the engines.
Ryan O'Neil
R. Elliott) writes:
>
>rfo...@ix.netcom.com (Ryan O'Neil ) wrote:
>
>snip
>>Or maybe someone checking on whether operators have completed the
>>required safety instruction?
>
>The what?
>
>I rode one for the first time this past weekend. These things are so
>fast they're evil.
This is my point. They can be potentially very unsafe, which is why
some states require those that operate them to have completed a safety
course before hitting the water. I don't know if Illinois requires
this, but this is certainly one way to help control the problem. Every
state licesnes its drivers, and most require that motor boat operators
take a safety course, in the same vein as drivers' ed, I can see no
reason why jet skis should be any different.
Ross Bagley
Ah. Yeah, that would make the freight shipping a little more difficult
to do there. They'd (the shippers) probably raise a bit of a ruckus.
So can you zone off areas of the lake near the shore for a horsepower
limit? I'd normally be the last one to be advocating the government
actually DO something (I'm normally advocating they do a hell of a lot
less), but local governments should have discretionary power over
waterways under their jurisdiction, and are the appropriate place for
such a limit to be enacted.
Is is possible?
Alan Silverstein
> Lake Powell. That really rips up any chance of getting a bit of quiet
> in the side canyons there.
It's not THAT bad. On a typical week-long houseboat trip, we only run
into those danged mosquitos on one or two days.
But for some reason the blighters seem to really enjoy hitting the lake
at sunrise (ARRGH). Maybe for the same reason our water skiers get up
early? Flat water.
Anyway, you pays your money and you takes your chances... Scout for
isolated or out of the way mooring spots, maybe check out the neighbors,
and usually it works out OK. Lots of peace and quiet.
Douglas McGhee
Hard time for first degree murder is what happened to it. Maybe you
should give it a try and let us know what prison life is like.
My suggestion is to go to a lake that doesn't allow jet skis in the
first place. I'm sure there are plenty if you would just look. After
all, people with jet skis have a right to recreation too. Just because
someone does not personally agree with their usage is no reason for
them to impose their will on such matters.
Cliff Harrison
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Paul Wake
>I hardly think jet skiing affects the whales more then the large ferry Boats.
Well, I reckon you got the first part right.
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Frank Reid
> The best way to get rid of them would be to sell sugar/alcohol
> solution in "JetSki fuel treatment" bottles at carryouts near
> lakes.
>
> Stupid people will buy it. The sugar will turn to carbon in
> the cylinders and sieze up the engines.
than sugar for trashing engines. A better place for this thread is
alt.revenge.
"The Jetskis" - a cartoon show about a Polish family of the future. B-)
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Eugene N. Miya
Anyone know where das kaptain may obtain some torpedos?
It's not very different from helicopters.
Oh, I forgot the usual helicopter reference (from previous discussions:
Ecotopia by Ernest Callenbach regarding helicopters).
richard hihn
: In <phil.gavenda-0...@slip-38-4.ots.utexas.edu>
The jet skiers have a responsibility not to be intentionally obnoxious
and inconsiderate. A relatively new device should not be allowed to
take over a lake, driving away swimmers and canoes, and disturbing
people at late hours.
However, although I've never been on one and have no desire to do so,
after reading about piano wire, alcohol/sugar in gas tanks, and various
guns, I wonder which side is the bigger problem.
Dick
David Smith
the possesive. Sorry, that drives me crazy.
The real point is, what is this doing in rec.backcountry?
David Smith
> Jet Ski's what? The plural of Jet Ski is Jet Ski is Jet Skis. Ski's is
I guess I should proofread before I throw my sarcasm around, shouldn't I?
debjohn
[grammar lesson deleted]
: The real point is, what is this doing in rec.backcountry?
The real point is, what are JET SKIS doing in the backcountry? It seems
that some previously quiet and secluded waters are now being frequented
by fast and noisy personal watercraft. Folks who have walked or paddled
to these areas in search of solitude are annoyed.
And now, another true personal watercraft encounter story:
Whiskey Creek is a located in John U. Lloyd State Park, near Fort
Lauderdale, Florida (no, we haven't paved over everything, yet). It is
accessible from the Intracoastal Waterway (a major boat highway), but it
is mostly too shallow for motorized traffic. The shores of Whiskey Creek
are lined with dense mangrove trees, and egrets, herons, and manatees can
be seen there. Last year, while paddling a Folbot (a folding kayak) in a
rather twisty, shallow (less than one meter deep), and narrow (less than
10 meters wide) stretch, I heard a distinctive buzz coming my way. Due to
a bend in the creek, and the thick mangrove foliage, I was worried about
being accidentally rammed by the rapidly-approaching craft, so I pulled
over as close to the shore as the tree branches would allow. The buzzing
quickly grew louder, and then suddenly two dudes on Wave Runners (?) came
roaring around the corner. As they both slowed down and veered away from
me (thanks), I noticed that these guys were dressed exactly alike: blue
baseball caps, Terminator-style sunglasses, blue shorts, white polo
shirts, and neon yellow PFDs marked POLICE. They looked kinda sheepish for
a moment, smiled, and then zipped on back upstream. Quality backcountry
experience or what?
Cheers,
debjohn
Dave Rotheroe
>David Smith (davs...@umabnet.ab.umd.edu) wrote:
>[grammar lesson deleted]
>: The real point is, what is this doing in rec.backcountry?
>The real point is, what are JET SKIS doing in the backcountry? It seems
>that some previously quiet and secluded waters are now being frequented
>by fast and noisy personal watercraft. Folks who have walked or paddled
>to these areas in search of solitude are annoyed.
Um, we're talking about Illinois Lake Michigan coastline, not some
previously quiet and secluded waters in the backcountry. I spent the first
21 years of my life in the area being talked about. I'd hardly call it an
area where solitude could be obtained, or that the area was anything
remotely resembling backcountry.
This whole argument sounds like different groups of people each wanting
everything the way they think it should be. The paddlers and sailboaters
don't want any power boats, and the power folks want want in. And from
what I've read here, I'd say the vigilantism of a minority (I hope) of
paddlers and sailers and just as bad as obnoxious minority of personal
water craft operators. Sort of the difference between those who want to
encourage the general public to "use" their outdoors, verse those who
think that only the elite should be able to go into the wilderness.
The only suggestion thing I've heard so far is an ordinace to restrict
sound levels during certain hours.
Dave
Heidi Wheat
that comes up here often enough anyway:
Guns don't kill people;
People kill people.
Likewise, a JetSki operated in a responsible manner would be a perfectly
reasonable kind of recreation. There must be responsible JetSki operators
out there somewhere.
In article <40at4v$7...@neptune.convex.com>, roth...@news.eng.convex.com
(Dave Rotheroe) wrote:
> Um, we're talking about Illinois Lake Michigan coastline, not some
> previously quiet and secluded waters in the backcountry. I spent the first
> 21 years of my life in the area being talked about. I'd hardly call it an
> area where solitude could be obtained, or that the area was anything
> remotely resembling backcountry.
I windsurf on Lake Michigan, off the Evanston shore that people are
talking about. I have had jetskiers zoom by too close to me, and I
wondered that they didn't at least have a stronger desire for
self-preservation, if not a little concern for me. But some of the time it
gets downright quiet out there. You can't hear any city noise, and if
you're lucky, the water's too cold for most people, and you have the lake
to yourself. I watched one of the prettiest sunsets I have ever seen while
sitting on my board. The sky was pink all the way around, and the lake was
that lovely sea green color that it gets when the wind is from the
southeast (I don't like to think too hard about the causal relationship
there), and I just let the waves rock me while I watched the sun go down.
Very peaceful.
Heidi
debjohn
[...]
: Um, we're talking about Illinois Lake Michigan coastline, not some
: previously quiet and secluded waters in the backcountry.
Okay, the initial post was indeed about the Illinois Lake Michigan coastal
area, but subsequent posters mentioned the widespread use of personal
watercraft (Lake Powell, et cetera). I assumed the thread had become
generalized, and commented in kind. I did not intend to pontificate on the
specific Jet Ski "situation" in Illinois, but on the general misuse of
personal watercraft.
[...]
: This whole argument sounds like different groups of people each wanting
: everything the way they think it should be. The paddlers and sailboaters
: don't want any power boats, and the power folks want want in. And from
: what I've read here, I'd say the vigilantism of a minority (I hope) of
: paddlers and sailers and just as bad as obnoxious minority of personal
: water craft operators.
"Vigilantism"? Posters have _suggested_ extreme measures, but I've yet to
read a single complaint from a personal watercraft owner about _genuine_
sabotage. The suggestions, as I perceive them, are a form of sarcasm.
This is, after all, Usenet. You are certainly right about different groups
each wanting everything, of course. I didn't mean to make matters worse.
Cheers,
debjohn
R. T. Pierrehumbert
>21 years of my life in the area being talked about. I'd hardly call it >an
>area where solitude could be obtained, or that the area was anything
>remotely resembling backcountry.
We're talking about making some bit of remnant of solitude
accessible to people who happen to live in a city. The fact
that the shoreline is teeming does not mean that the waterways
adjacent need to be over-run and noisy as well. It's a matter
of how space is used, and whether some venue for getting some
peace will be accessible to city dwellers. I think this is
a backcountry issue, because the disturbance to the the
non-powered users of Lake Michigan is pretty much the same
as the disturbance to users of Lake Powell, or even more
secluded areas.
Before the jet-skis came, you could go out in a kayak or
on a sailboard, and once you were a km. out, it was
almost easy to forget you were so near a city. The majority
of power boaters were not a big problem, as the lake is big,
and most launched and fanned out, getting to their fishing
spots or whatever. The few power boaters (speedboats,
cigarette boats) that cruised the shoreline at high speed
created a problem that is rather similar to that caused
by jet-skis. With jet skis, though, the problem
has grown worse. There are more of them, and the ONLY
mode of operation of a jet ski (here anyway) is to
cruise back and forth at high speed, making a lot of
noise.
Daniel Hall
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Bill Spikes
I used to own a jet ski. A real jet ski, you know, the kind you have to
stand up on, not the no-skill, fewer-brained, sit-down things. Since the skis
are more difficult to ride, you tend to pay attention to what might be in
front of you because you don't wanna fall off AGAIN.
The scariest, non-lethal thing to see in front of you:
A huge lure with LOTS of treble hooks flying through the air from some fishing
boat. If the line doesn't cut you, the hooks are gonna getcha!
A coupla extra hooks can always be screwed onto an old encrusted nasty
lure for a little more distance. After the "personal WC" or towed skier
recovers and comes back to discuss why your lure is now stuck REAL good in
his arm, you can explain that you have a cold and couldn't hear him coming
and, "SORRY!, just didn't see ya. Maybe next time you should stay more than
20 feet away from other boats?"
Check out the bass lures at Wal Mart. For really stupid skiers, look into
the salt water lures.
I've HEARD that you use light line.
I've seen water skiers slammed full blast into the side of another boat, thrown
up onto the beach, and catch a dock about chest high. Once saw a jet skier
high-lined by cutting between a water skier and his boat. A few years ago
we were stopped and standing up when some yo-yo going the "wrong" way down
a slough drops his skier in front of our boat. He then executes a power turn
around us at ~ 20 feet....w/o pulling in the ski rope.... we saw it coming
and ducked JUST in time. The owner of our boat wouldn't let me swim over to
yo-yo and explain things.... >:-( All of this except the dock stunt was
in the San Francisco Bay Delta.
Classes and licenses for watercraft? You betcha!!! It isn't the PWC that
kills, it is the nut behind the trigger.
Bill
Where does it say I can't use a 12 oz lure to catch a 12 oz fish?
Natch, this is all second hand...... >:-)
Bill
R lindberg + E Winnie
>
>
>Classes and licenses for watercraft? You betcha!!! It isn't the PWC that
>kills, it is the nut behind the trigger.
>
anyone can buy any boat and drive it, no training, no testing, nothing.
They showed several home videos of some really ugly wrecks, like the pair
of ski-doers going right into the side of a large boat, or the a
cigerette (SP?) boat going right into a dock, to the nut in a sail boat
who, after clearing the bow of a ferry, jigged back across the bow. Yes
the sailboat had the right-of-way, but the results were (as I recall) 3 dead.
It's just that PWC attract lots of nuts, but there are nuts everywhere.
Ralph
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>
(deleted)
> This whole argument sounds like different groups of people each wanting
> everything the way they think it should be. The paddlers and sailboaters
> don't want any power boats, and the power folks want want in. And from
> what I've read here, I'd say the vigilantism of a minority (I hope) of
> paddlers and sailers and just as bad as obnoxious minority of personal
> water craft operators.
I've never been rammed by a paddler or a sailboat. I have been hit in a
canoe by a jet ski. Friends of mine lost a $30K ski boat to a jet ski.
A windsurfer was killed in Florida this year by a jet ski. Recently in
Alabama a kid killed his younger brother with a jet ski. Just last
weekend two idiots on jet skis circled me while I was windsurfing trying
to knock me down. Ocasionally I have seen power boats violate sailboats
right of way in a channel but this is trivial compared to the dangerous
and irresponsible actions that are _typical_ of the beer and high octane
bozos. I suspect the only reason that PWCs are not already restricted to
designated areas is the powerfull manufactures lobby.
> Sort of the difference between those who want to
> encourage the general public to "use" their outdoors, verse those who
> think that only the elite should be able to go into the wilderness.
If they allow mechanised access to the wilderness then it becomes
something other than wilderness. I've noticed that in National Parks
95% of the visitors don't go more that a half a mile from their cars.
We need accessable areas for these people to help promote a appreciation
for natural areas, but we don't want the AT paved so fourwheelers can
spread beer cans in the forest. I ride a motorcycle on jeep trails
locally and I see more and more trails closed. It is the only way to
stop the trash dumps so I can't blame the owners. If I owned such an
area I would allow access to hikers only.
> The only suggestion thing I've heard so far is an ordinace to restrict
> sound levels during certain hours.
> Dave
I hope this isn't too flamey but ones perspective changes the first time
one gets run into by a jet ski. I only ment to point out that the
controversy is more than just sport A vs sport B. RMS
Herndon R. Elliott
>Whatever happened to good old-fashioned piano wire?
Its damn hard to get the support posts to stay put in the water...
Herndon R. Elliott
Great. Just great. Here we go again.
This kinda stuff is real good for the pro-gun cause, you idiot.
Scot Carpenter
Takenin' notes: thanks, Bill.
My old 'hey that's just my trotline you got tangled in' ploy
will have to be revised.
Course, sense I only check the trotlines two-three times a week,
those fellows who can't hold their breath too long just had to suck it
up...so to speak.
Love them jet skiers....lots of spares you can strip offen those
abandoned units down in the bayous... we sure have had a healthy crop of
crabs and bottom feeders last coupla years...
you'all come back now...ya heah?
: I used to own a jet ski. A real jet ski, you know, the kind you have to
: stand up on, not the no-skill, fewer-brained, sit-down things. Since the skis
: are more difficult to ride, you tend to pay attention to what might be in
: front of you because you don't wanna fall off AGAIN.
: The scariest, non-lethal thing to see in front of you:
: A huge lure with LOTS of treble hooks flying through the air from some fishing
: boat. If the line doesn't cut you, the hooks are gonna getcha!
You ain't seen my wifes cousin Louie with an electric filet
knife and an 84 qt cooler to fill before sunset...
: I've HEARD that you use light line.
Yeah, some a them 'sport' fishermen from uptown use light line
and spinning reels...but the boys I know all use metal leaders and them
stout rods and reels... they dont want to waste too much time tween
hooking a jet ski and getting him in the cooler. And they got them good
Cajun mechanics can field strip a Yamaha in lessen 15 minutes and get
all the goodies apart and in boxes with the Kanji labels. It's beauty to
watch, I tell ya.
:
: Bill
: Natch, this is all second hand...... >:-)
Hey, this is all fantasy. We *love* to get jetskiers down on
Galveston Bay, especially on those dark, moonless nights when the water
is perfectly calm....... out near Redfish island, on the ship channel
side....
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Stink is caused by bacteria. I've found the only way to avoid foul shoes
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stage no amount of drying or cleaning ever corrects the problem.
Krzysztof Kniaz
I'm using a combination of (diluted) bleach and lots of baking soda
to kill the smell. It works for 2 weeks...
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On 11 Aug 1995, Sean ONeill wrote:
> I have a great alticle regarding PWCs and boats. In summary, a male is
> 10 times more likely to be killed in a fishing boat than anyone on/near
> a PWC, so why not ban fishing boats on waters? We have had, in the past
> 3 years 4 deaths realted to PWCs (memory may be failing) but close to 30
> boating related. (why not 40, 10 times 4? cause take a weighting of
> boaters vs PWCers).
Hmm... let's see here... Okay, say you have 100 boaters and 30 deaths.
That's a 30% fatality rate. Now, you're 10 times more likely to be killed
in a boat than on a PWC (per operator, not per capita - you DID say you
were weighting). That makes the PWC death rate 3%. Right?
Okay, now you've got 4 PWC deaths. That's 3% of 133. What you're saying is
that you have more PWCs in Canada than boats (or, to be more precise, more
PWC operators than boat operators). For every 100 boaters, given the
figures you're claiming, there must be 133 PWC'ers.
That IS what your figures say, isn't it?
Sorry, I don't buy it. Per operator, PWC's are MUCH more dangerous than
boats. Just like motorcycles are more dangerous than cars. The real
problem, though, is dangerous operators, and PWC's lend themselves to
reckless and dangerous operation by the simple fact that there's nothing
interesting to do on them other than jump wakes and play chicken.
-joe
Cliff Harrison
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: >380, 9 mm, .38, .357 Mag, .40 S&W, 10 mm, .41, .44, .45.
: This kinda stuff is real good for the pro-gun cause, you idiot.
Your absolutely correct. My post was an overkill. I should have
suggested a custom Sako short action in 5.56 Nato with hand
checkered english burl walnut stock complete with a Leupold
3x9 compact and a Stressner & Hunting silencer all matt blued
to match. This combo has proven most successful on 2 stroke
comp bikes over 600 cc, mountain bikes and quad runners in the
wilderness area. It should function fine on jet skis in the
boundry water canoe areas leaving the scene of a felony.
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<greg.n...@daytonoh.attgis.com> wrote:
> The best way to get rid of them would be to sell sugar/alcohol
> solution in "JetSki fuel treatment" bottles at carryouts near
> lakes.
>
> Stupid people will buy it. The sugar will turn to carbon in
> the cylinders and sieze up the engines.
I want to know how to get rid of the people that want to get rid of the
people that own jet ski's? Maybe put sugar/alcohol into freeze dried food?
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Todd Ourston
: been 100% successful. Does anyone out there have any suggestions?
I make a paste of water and baking soda and cover the sandals with it
overnight. Rinse 'em off in the morning and they're ready for you to
wear!
Todd Ourston
Eugene N. Miya
(R lindberg + E Winnie) writes:
> A few years ago (I think it was on 20/20) Hugh did a story on how
>anyone can buy any boat and drive it, no training, no testing, nothing.
>They showed several home videos of some really ugly wrecks, like the pair
>of ski-doers going right into the side of a large boat, or the a
Yes, this was a good report.
I think the only thing you left out was the use of alcohol, but that's
similar to cars and other boats.
Turns out that I have a media request letter into Mr. Downs for one of
his 20/20 reports.
> It's just that PWC attract lots of nuts, but there are nuts everywhere.
Well it's partially a consequence of overcrowding and restrictions which
get imposed as part of this. It's probably going to get worse.
J. Gary Bledsoe
>
> I have a pair of Teva which are really getting ripe. I used to think that
> Tevas wouldn't stink because the rubber wouldn't absorb any odors. Wrong.
Try using a cleanser like 'Soft Scrub'. It has bleach in it which will kill
most any stink causing bacteria. I used it yesterday to relieve this problem,
and it worked very well. Gets the grunge out of footbed pores too.
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: I have a pair of Teva which are really getting ripe. I used to think that Tevas
: wouldn't stink because the rubber wouldn't absorb any odors. Wrong. The top of
: these sandals are textured so that the stink has a place to grab hold. In the
: past I've soaked and scrubbed them in hot soapy water but this approach has not
: been 100% successful. Does anyone out there have any suggestions?
Dan, I swear PUT EM IN THE FREEZER! I know it sounds silly, but it
really works!
Steve
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JonoH
worked for snowmobilers for years.
Piano wire. Amazing what a deterrent it can be...
Also, kinda ruins their day.
Herndon R. Elliott
>Herndon R. Elliott (hell...@traveller.com) wrote:
>: >22, .22 Mag .223, .22-250, .243, .25-06, .270, 7MM, 7.62x39,
>: >30-30,.308,.30-06, .300 Win Mag, .338 Win Mag, Handgun: .25, .32,
>: >380, 9 mm, .38, .357 Mag, .40 S&W, 10 mm, .41, .44, .45.
>: This kinda stuff is real good for the pro-gun cause, you idiot.
>Your absolutely correct. My post was an overkill. I should have
>suggested a custom Sako short action in 5.56 Nato with hand
>checkered english burl walnut stock complete with a Leupold
>3x9 compact and a Stressner & Hunting silencer all matt blued
>to match. This combo has proven most successful on 2 stroke
>comp bikes over 600 cc, mountain bikes and quad runners in the
>wilderness area. It should function fine on jet skis in the
>boundry water canoe areas leaving the scene of a felony.
Oh. OK. Now I understand. But are you really good enough to ensure
that the rider walks away unhurt?
Cliff Harrison
: >checkered english burl walnut stock complete with a Leupold
: >3x9 compact and a Stressner & Hunting silencer all matt blued
: >to match. This combo has proven most successful on 2 stroke
: >comp bikes over 600 cc, mountain bikes and quad runners in the
: >wilderness area. It should function fine on jet skis in the
: >boundry water canoe areas leaving the scene of a felony.
: Oh. OK. Now I understand. But are you really good enough to ensure
: that the rider walks away unhurt?
WHAT ?!?!
It isn't the Jet Ski's fault. I am good enough to ensure that the
Ski comes to a safe stop without hurting itself, the ecosystem or
a bystander. If conditions are not perfect, hold fire until you insure
both the life jacket and its occupant are in line.
Local customs suggest a half a six pack of Red Dog on a trout line will
bait them close enough to shore where an inlet will provide a safe shot.
At the instant the Ski flairs for the beer you can safely shoot and still
protect the Ski. The inlet will also prevent scaring off the rest
of the flock. I have heard of several locals getting two Skis on
the same set of decoys. They were probably inexperienced yearlings.
The Jet Ski can be painted camo and have the factory upgrade muffler
system added. It can then lurk in the back waters to strike another
day. A blow up naked blond doll is then added as a decoy.
Tim Dudley
(Herndon R. Elliott) wrote:
> harr...@boi.hp.com (Cliff Harrison) wrote:
>
> >Herndon R. Elliott (hell...@traveller.com) wrote:
>
> > ---> snip <---
> >
> >It should function fine on jet skis in the
> >boundry water canoe areas leaving the scene of a felony.
>
> Oh. OK. Now I understand. But are you really good enough to ensure
> that the rider walks away unhurt?
>
Jet ski riders *walking* away unhurt from a sunk jet ski?!? Man!
Didn't know they were *that* good!! :-)
Tim
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Pete Johnson
re...@indiana.edu says...
>
>In Article <DCzsA...@ranger.daytonoh.attgis.com> "Greg Smith
<greg.n.smith@day
>tonoh.attgis.com>" says:
>> The best way to get rid of them would be to sell sugar/alcohol
>> solution in "JetSki fuel treatment" bottles at carryouts near
>> lakes.
>>
>> Stupid people will buy it. The sugar will turn to carbon in
>> the cylinders and sieze up the engines.
>
>than sugar for trashing engines. A better place for this thread is
>alt.revenge.
>
>"The Jetskis" - a cartoon show about a Polish family of the future. B-)
>
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>Frank re...@indiana.edu
I'd use a Sniper gun!
Greg Pelletier
> Tevas wouldn't stink because the rubber wouldn't absorb any odors. Wrong.
> The top of these sandals are textured so that the stink has a place to grab
> hold. In the past I've soaked and scrubbed >them in hot soapy water but
this > approach has not been 100% successful. Does anyone out there have any
> >suggestions?
I had a pair of sandals that smelled terrible from dog urine. They really
reeked. I soaked them in a solution of vinegar over night (about 1/4 to 1/2
cup of vinegar in 2 quarts of water). The next night I rinsed them with lots
of water and soaked them overnight in a solution of baking soda and water
(about 1/2 cup to 3/4 cup baking soda in 2 quarts of water). After that I
rinsed them with lots of water and there was no smell at all.
- Greg
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buzzed by a particularly obnoxious jetskier. Just as the little shit
came by for a strafing run my friend was casting his trolling rod, with a
large salmon lure with two sizable triple hooks attached. He claims this
wasn't planned, and he only realized what had happened when he felt the
hook set. He heard the drag on his reel go flying, and he realized that
he had caught a big one!
Personally I believe that people should only be allowed to ride jet
skis before they have children. That way there is a good chance they will
kill themselves before they can reproduce. Evolution in action :-)
Eric Aupperlee
Ah....possible physical injury to someone for your enjoyment....
Nice stereotyping of PWC riders though. It does show your myopia.
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Bill Cassady
c31$h...@jaxnet.jaxnet.com> <41dna4$2...@news.ais.net> <41dung$6...@masala.cc.uh.
>Date: 23 Aug 1995 01:02:40 GMT
>From: rc...@menudo.uh.edu (Scot Carpenter)
SC>Robert Neff (rjn...@eagle.ais.net) wrote:
....................
SC>: (Sorry about that, I can be a little anal about spelling and punctuation).
SC> Well, let's see.....
SC> (.....)
>: two different forms of outdoor enjoyment definitely clash. Jetskis are
>: loud, even without wave-jumping, (didn't Polaris make a fairly quiet jetsk
>: at one time?) scare the wild foul, and send waves crashing on shore
> ^^^^ ^^^^
> a petard can be a dangerous thing.....
^^^
Indeed.
But the undomesticated ones tend to sneak up on you when you're not
looking.
-Bill
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Bill Cassady
c31$h...@jaxnet.jaxnet.com> <41dna4$2...@news.ais.net> <41dung$6...@masala.cc.uh.
>Date: 23 Aug 1995 01:02:40 GMT
>From: rc...@menudo.uh.edu (Scot Carpenter)
SC>Robert Neff (rjn...@eagle.ais.net) wrote:
....................
SC>: (Sorry about that, I can be a little anal about spelling and punctuation).
SC> Well, let's see.....
SC> (.....)
>: two different forms of outdoor enjoyment definitely clash. Jetskis are
>: loud, even without wave-jumping, (didn't Polaris make a fairly quiet jetsk
>: at one time?) scare the wild foul, and send waves crashing on shore
> ^^^^ ^^^^
> a petard can be a dangerous thing.....
^^^
Indeed.
But no less than the undomesticated ones.
cyli
I canoe and camp on a "wild and scenic" river a lot. In the section
where it's supposedly 'no wake.' I get ticked enough at the pontoons
and power fishing boats that go by too fast. Not just because it's
inconvenient for me as a canoer (have to turn the sucker so it's
point on to the waves or risk capsizing), but because I can see*
what it's doing to the river banks. The powerboaters can't see
either my difficulties or the results on the banks. Wind on a river
is not like wind on a lake and doesn't have perpetual wave action
right on the banks (if you find this difficult to believe, and I know
it amazed me, go and sit out in the water (a boat or canoe is handy
for this unless the river's awfully shallow) and watch the banks on
a windy day. Almost no wave action. Unless a powerboat goes by...).
I've seen a jet ski go zooming around on that area of river. How
I'd have cheered to have a river cop come by and nab him and his
female passenger. The waves were pretty astounding to me. Even
after seeing what a deep vee fishing hull with 3 middle aged and
pudgy fishermen in a hurry to get home can produce.
Now I think they look like a lot* of fun to use. I'd love to try
one sometime. On a lake or some part of a river that's pretty ruined
anyway. Like about 7 miles downstream where the powerboats rule and
the jet skis and the waterskiiers play all day. Where they aren't
destroying anything like a fragile riverbank. Because that's an
area that's a deep holding area, due to cojoining another major river
and it's always been more like a lake, anyway. One of the very
problems with them is that they're such agile little machines and
such fun to ride. It's so easy to zoom faster than thought and go
right into swimmers or other boats if one's not careful. And I'll
bet even the most avid jetskiier will admit that some of the jetters
aren't as capable of thought as would be good. Or as sober (a common
problem with boaters. I even see it in canoes. But we have a hard
time hurting anyone at our speeds....).
It'd be great for both the jetters (ski and boat) and the rest of us
if they had enough of their own areas to play in. And we be left to
ours. Both should have places easily accessible from cities. And
we quiet sporters only invade theirs at our own risk. And they ours
under penalties of river cops nabbing them.
BubblHead1
folks! There are a lot of people in the world, all with different likes
and dislikes. Yall had better learn to get along!!!!!!!!! Keyword:
TOLERANCE