Nude Backpacking
Fred
backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
hiker on the trail?
Ullrich
I find that a tough question to answer for some reason but here goes.
I wouldn't be offended or even bothered, really, except that it would be
distracting and I wouldn't appreciate it for that reason, in the same way
I wouldn't want to see someone dressed up in a clown suit walking down the
trail.
Phil
Stephen W. Anderson
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> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
I meet one or two occasionally. My biggest problem when I do is keeping a
straight face, and if it's a female avoiding too open an expression of
excruciating embarrassment. Nudity along the trail is essentially like
nudity in any other public place, but us hikers tend to be a pretty
libertarian lot, so you're probably not going to be arrested or assaulted as
you might be in town. Either could happen, but the probability is tiny, as
long as you're well away from developed areas.
From a more practical pespective I wouldn't want the scrapes, twig
switching, briar scratches, poison ivy rash, bug bites and sunburn in
sensitive places that would come with nude hiking in my usual territories.
If those things don't bother you, though, or if you're hiking somewhere
they're not a concern, then do as you like. The worst you're likely to get
is laughed at.
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Rocky Mount, NC
BADRADD
>backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
>hiker on the trail?
Are you a fag Freddie? What makes you think the general populace wants to see
your little fudgepacker dangling anywhere, let alone in the backcountry?
Lets put it this way Fred. If I see you walking toward my daughter with yer
little noodle hanging, I will take the fun right out of it for ya. Guaranteed.
Samuel Sands
Fred wrote:
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
Hmm. I must admit that it would not be an *ordinary* experience.
Unexpected nudity is usually shocking to a degree. For example, in a
locker room, I expect to see nudity, but in a public place I am not
prepared for it. In the woods, on an established trail, is a public place
where nudity is somewhat unexpected. I would be admittedly, probably
somewhat uncomfortable. Not outraged or totally shocked though. However,
other people might be offended, particularly if they had their young
children with them.
Sam Sands
Rockeye99
profile lists "skinny dipping" as a hobby.
and what's with the inconsistency of your logic? you first accuse Freddie of
being a "fag" then expess anxiety over him "walking towards my daughter."
perhaps all of your unresolved anger is what keeps you from being able to keep
a wife.
sometimes its just too hard to resist the temptation to flame an obvious
fool/thug.
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ndb...@webtv.net (Fred) wrote:
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
>
across yer nekid bum in the middle of the Alaskan wilderness, where no
one else is around for miles, I can probably shake my head and keep
walking. If it's on a popular Yosemite trail or heading to Emerald Lake
in Rocky Mtn. N.P., where there's a likelihood of encountering children
or families in general, tuck it in or call me Lorena Bobbitt! There's a
reason there's public decency laws. Prudish? I don't think so. Just
common sensical.
Then again, if it was Pamela Anderson or Jennifer Lopez. . .
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: How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
: backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
: hiker on the trail?
My girlfreind and I laughed our asses off the one time we did.
But aside from that, as I try to apply logic to this, is it OK to walk
naked through a playground full of children? What makes that any different
from a public trail?
Are you just wanting to "show off," meaning it's OK to do it in the woods
because you can't flash old ladies in an alley?
There are nudist colonies and nude beaches, etc., where you can practice
this lifestyle without any fear or intimidation.
Regardless, if you ever come across me and my girlfriend, you'll be able
to tell it's us because we'll be the ones laughing our asses off. :-)
ju...@hammfamily.org
> Are you just wanting to "show off," meaning it's OK to do it in the woods
> because you can't flash old ladies in an alley?
> There are nudist colonies and nude beaches, etc., where you can practice
> this lifestyle without any fear or intimidation.
> Regardless, if you ever come across me and my girlfriend, you'll be able
> to tell it's us because we'll be the ones laughing our asses off. :-)
It seems to me that there are some perils associated with nudity on public
trails, as opposed to nudist colonies and nude beaches, etc. Or even
hiking on PRIVATE lands.
First of all many jurisdictions do have laws against public nudity, and if
you ran into a ranger, it seems you could get in big trouble. Like
arrested.
Second, since hiking tends to happen in the woods, there are all sorts of
bugs and such which could be SUCH a problem.
Thirdly, seems a heavy pack directly on skin would cause some serious
friction and pain. It would be hard to try on a pack nude in the store,
too. Of course you'd only have tent and sleeping bag and cooking supplies
in it.
And lots and lots of sunscreen, I would think.
Just my 2 cents. YMMV
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<ju...@hammfamily.org> wrote :
>
> First of all many jurisdictions do have laws against public nudity, and if
> you ran into a ranger, it seems you could get in big trouble. Like
> arrested.
At least he wouldn't be charged with having a concealed weapon. :-)
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thet...@earth.execpc.com (Kevin Thomas) wrote:
> Fred (ndb...@webtv.net) wrote:
> : How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> : backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a
nude
> : hiker on the trail?
Hiking boots optional (or carry lots of moleskin!).
By the way Fred, where do you hang your Sierra cup?
Pete Hickey
>>backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
>>hiker on the trail?
In article <19990510090108...@ng-ba1.aol.com>,
BADRADD <bad...@aol.com> wrote:
>Are you a fag Freddie? What makes you think the general populace wants to see
>your little fudgepacker dangling anywhere, let alone in the backcountry?
>
>Lets put it this way Fred. If I see you walking toward my daughter with yer
>little noodle hanging, I will take the fun right out of it for ya. Guaranteed.
Wow. You know, this type of reaction is typical of someone
who is gay, but will not admit it to himself. Is that you
badRad?
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Stephen W. Anderson
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> > First of all many jurisdictions do have laws against public nudity, and
if
> > you ran into a ranger, it seems you could get in big trouble. Like
> > arrested.
> At least he wouldn't be charged with having a concealed weapon. :-)
But what would he do when asked to show his registration?
Rob Henning
>How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
>backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
>hiker on the trail?
>
I think that being in the wilderness gives one a certain freedom to ignore
some of the conventions of society. But, if you are in area where you are
likely to run into lots of other people on the trail you really ought to
follow society's conventions and cover up. I love to skinny dip, lay in the
sun naked even stroll nude through the woods a bit when I'm out backpacking.
But, I studiously avoid contact with other people--both when clothed and
unclothed.
My question to you, Fred, is why the hell would you even want to backpack
naked? What's the point? I believe the appeal of being naked is the freedom
from the restrictions of clothing, as soon as you put a bacpack on your
otherwise naked body, you've got plenty of restrictions. So, what's the
point of leaving your ass and private parts hanging out? If I saw you on the
trail like wearing only a backpack, I wouldn't be offended, I'd just think
you looked absurd--it would be so completely unnatural. It'd be hard to
suppress laughter, but I'd try.
Rob
Del Stanley
>
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
Aside from the modesty issues, is it really practical? Sun block,
insect repellent amounts would probably be trippled. You are
allowing for more surface exposure to leeches and other
foreign "thinglets". Many animals usually go to the "tenders"
first (ouch!).
I use pants/shirts or vests that have utility pockets rather than
putting them in packs. Yes, you would lose some weight (no clothes)
but you would have to increase the load on your back rather than
having it uniformally distributed over your body. The strap on
your back and shoulders w/o a shirt can cause skin irritation.
They also protect me from thorns, sharp rock edges, etc. Of course
it depends on where you go also. Clothes for me is more practical,
even if no one was ever around. If you must, at least wear a hat,
and a jock strap. I won't throw stones at you if I see you on the
trail.
Heather Verley
ndb...@webtv.net (Fred) wrote:
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
>
>
Personally, I wouldn't be offended; however, I would tend to question
the sanity of someone who would want to carry around a quarter of their
body weight on bare skin while hiking 10-20 miles. Talk about a
glutton for punishment--either that, or they have some really rough
callouses in the most tender places!
As for nudity in the wilderness itself (off the beaten path), I'm all
for it! My fiance and I love to find secluded places where we can go
skinny dipping or just be naked--for us it's just another part of the
wilderness experience. We always try to find someplace where we won't
be seen by other hikers--wouldn't want to offend people who don't
appreciate that sort of thing!
Heather Verley
http://homestead.dejanews.com/user.johnverley/Hiking.html
ri...@kana.stanford.edu
the remain 10% is just a cultural thing.
SolaThane2
as it is, to add a naked man with a backpack would spoil my piece of
mind...same as a flasher in a parking lot does. There are times and places were
nudity is appropriate, in public places, even the backcountry it just isn't!
Sola
Trailgalore
ju...@hammfamily.org wrote in message ...
>First of all many jurisdictions do have laws against public nudity, and if
you ran into a ranger, it seems you could get in big trouble. Like
>arrested.
A ranger in a Fed forest or park cannot, there is no fed law against such.
Gavin
hiking while nude. I would regard that at sheer exhibitionism and not true
naturism. I would consider the nude person (male or female) with a
suspicion. Perhaps, I am a prude, but nudity is best conducted in some
degree of privacy. Walking the hills/paths is not acceptable.
However, the woods are often empty places and I see nothing wrong with
taking the opportunity to sunbathe in some secluded clearing, or skinny
dipping well out of the way of others.
In summary, keep your exhibitionism off the trails.
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Margaret and Jeffrey and Molly
Rockeye99 wrote:
> ... sometimes its just too hard to resist the temptation to flame an obvious
> fool/thug.
Hotwater
Lloyd Bowles wrote in message <92635634...@cindy.bmts.com>...
>
><ju...@hammfamily.org> wrote :
>>
>> First of all many jurisdictions do have laws against public nudity, and
if
>> you ran into a ranger, it seems you could get in big trouble. Like
>> arrested.
>
>At least he wouldn't be charged with having a concealed weapon. :-)
>
Penny S.
NP backcountry way back when...
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Trailgalore wrote in message <7h7u6q$a29$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>ju...@hammfamily.org wrote in message ...
>>First of all many jurisdictions do have laws against public nudity, and if
>you ran into a ranger, it seems you could get in big trouble. Like
>>arrested.
>
jacque greenleaf
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
I'd think you were a complete idiot, and would mumble something like "I
hope my tax money isn't paying for your visit to the nearest ER for third
degree sunburn and acute poison oak".
--
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salem, oregon
Robert
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
It would be very impolite and self-centered of you to do it.
- Robert
m huang
: >How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
: >backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
: >hiker on the trail?
: Are you a fag Freddie?
Badradd, maybe you should find out why you are having such a reaction,
and consider walking out of the closet.
: What makes you think the general populace wants to see
: your little fudgepacker dangling anywhere, let alone in the backcountry?
:
what makes you think the general populace cares as you do ?
- mh
David Spera
Fred wrote:
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
How would you be nude if you were wearing a backpack? :)
Pete Hickey
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
>> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
In article <373765...@earthlink.net>,
Del Stanley <dgs...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Aside from the modesty issues, is it really practical? Sun block,
>insect repellent amounts would probably be trippled. You are
>allowing for more surface exposure to leeches and other
>foreign "thinglets". Many animals usually go to the "tenders"
>first (ouch!).
This concerns are taken care of by doing it in the winter.
No bugs. No leaches, since the water is frozen. If you
hike while it is snowing, the sunblock isn't needed either.
If you can stand the temperature, its great.
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> Yes. Can't you at least wear a loincloth or something?
Now that would be even more disturbing. Like coming across Ted Nugent (back
in his "sweaty teddy" heydey) on the trail.
-Paul
Del Stanley
>
> Might be charged with "Assault with a friendly weapon".
But there may be a "lack of evidence"!
JCr...@webtv.net
naturist on the trail or even anyone who does object to such but I agree
this guy sounds like a pent up vet ready to snap or something. I would
think a little nude suning or swimming would be better then get clothes
on for the trail ( redbugs, ticks and chigger are bad as it is!) but I
say if you're into it-- knock yourself out.
JCr...@webtv.net
consensus is that if someone saw you sunning on a towel by your tent
nude or skinnydipping , they would just smile and thing it to be cool.
Hiking, though in these days of Eric Rudolph, and other crazies just
puts undue worry on others especially women who would worry perhaps the
rest of the night if someone is stalking them. I agree about the
friction on the back and arms would be riduculous to go shirtless and
more ridiculous to just have pants off. It wouldn't bother me but it
seems more sensible to save this for a jump in a waterfall. Now a whole
group of people skinnydipping -- that might catch my attention.
AJPSun1
>trail.
As a nudist, I believe you do SEE CLOWN SUITS on the trails!!
A nudist
dfh...@engr.psu.edu
A couple years ago, about a dozen of us were climbing at Donner Lake,
CA. After the day on the rocks, we found a huge pier on the lake to go
swimming off of. After stripping down, all twelve of us did a mass
cannonball. It was hilarious and the boaters seemed to get a kick out
of it! :)
Dave
AJPSun1
Hey, jerk NUDISM doesn't have anything do with sex. Why not take your
HOMOPHOBIC ATTITUDE and HIKE OFF a CLIFF.
As a nudist, I hike hiking with my g/f and her kids nude - and in Vermont,
nude hiking is LEGAL.> fudgepacker
> fudgepacker
Jeez, moron....it is called a PENIS!
AJPSun1
>prepared for it. In the woods, on an established trail, is a public place
>where nudity is somewhat unexpected.
Some trails, are in NATIONAL PARKS and NATIONAL FOREST, so they can be
used NUDE. No FEDERAL LAWS on NUDITY.>other people might be offended,
particularly if they had their young
>children with them.
What would they do if the nude people had NUDE KIDS hiking with them?? I
get comments from people when my g/f son is hiking nude with me. Some even join
us nude on the trail.
AJPSun1
They aren't nudist Colonies - they are called Nudist RESORTS - unless it
is a NUDIST LEPER COLONY! ;-)
>What makes that any different
>from a public trail?
Because, trails are not just for TEXTILES!
>Are you just wanting to "show off," meaning it's OK to do it in the woods
>because you can't flash old ladies in an alley?
Nudism is not showing off, or flashing. God made us in his IMAGE - we if
GOD meant us to be nude, it is because HE is NUDE!
AJPSun1
>
>
Typical AMERICAN. Nudism is not sexual.
AJPSun1
Nudism is not EXHIBITIONISM. God, if he want us clothes, would have given
us FEATHERS.
AJPSun1
>salem, oregon
Oregon has a law on the books about hiking nude. Too bad, you aren't as
LIBERTARIAN as some of the other citizens.
AJPSun1
>nearest police/ranger and believe me, it would not bode well for the
>so-called "naturalist".
Depending on where you hike - Oregon, Vermont and National Parks and
Forests, you can NOT have the guy arrested, unless he was committing a CRIME.
NUDE HIKING, in VERMONT, is NOT A CRIME. Do not Hike in VT, NH or ME. You'll
see me my g/f and her kids hiking - THE WAY GOD INTENDED!
Arnold Lasris
of weapon will he be carrying? And how will he carry it?<VBG>
Arnold
Lloyd Bowles wrote:
> <ju...@hammfamily.org> wrote :
> >
> > First of all many jurisdictions do have laws against public nudity, and if
> > you ran into a ranger, it seems you could get in big trouble. Like
> > arrested.
>
Woof
here in Maine I would strongly recommend against it - the skeeters can carry
off a moose.
Fred wrote in message <23995-37...@newsd-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
hiker on the trail?
Dakota
AJPSun1 wrote in message <19990511185717...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
Doug Armknecht
>With all the controversy about carrying weapons into the backcountry, what type
>of weapon will he be carrying? And how will he carry it?<VBG>
>
What, you mean you missed the "I carry a Pocket Rocket in the Woods"
thread awhile ago?
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Doug Armknecht
>
> Nudism is not showing off, or flashing. God made us in his IMAGE - we if
>GOD meant us to be nude, it is because HE is NUDE!
If you're talking about the same "God" I am, he created Adam and Eve
nude. They were not ashamed. Then "the eyes of them both were opened" .
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Dexter Horton
To avoid the friction on the back, take off the shirt, and put it
on your back, but not around your body. Put the pack on , over the shirt,
which you are NOT wearing.
A pair of shorts with velcro (sp?) sides go off or on quickly.
Most of the time the shorts can cover up the middle in a hurry, for when
other hikers are approached.
Teva sandals work well for the feet. While not totally nude, on a
hot day avoiding sweat soaked clothing is a good thing.
I can't say I have done this personally, but a friend told me!!
;-)
On Tue, 11 May 1999 JCr...@webtv.net wrote:
> Wow, interesting responses to Fred's question. I think the general
> consensus is that if someone saw you sunning on a towel by your tent
> nude or skinnydipping , they would just smile and thing it to be cool.
> Hiking, though in these days of Eric Rudolph, and other crazies just
> puts undue worry on others especially women who would worry perhaps the
> rest of the night if someone is stalking them. I agree about the
> friction on the back and arms would be riduculous to go shirtless and
> more ridiculous to just have pants off. It wouldn't bother me but it
> seems more sensible to save this for a jump in a waterfall. Now a whole
Ullrich
You're in a world of your own, skin-boy.
Where were you when "GOD" was handing out frontal lobes?
Phil
Lorand Andahazy
>
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
No, not at all. I'd like to be doing the same thing. But I don't hike
the trails nude, only because there are people who would be offended or
frightened, and I wouldn't want to be one to spoil _their_ moment in the
wilderness. I know the bad reaction is only in their own mind and most
people would be indifferent or perhaps some even delighted, but the few
sad souls need caring too.
Around camp, it's a different matter. I love playing naked in the
wilderness -- it seems a perfect way to commune with nature. And other
people can see from a distance that I'm nude and they have a choice
whether or not to approach or pass closely.
You'd be surprised how often people get the hint and stop nearby or join
me and get naked too. I think it's really part of human nature to want
to be free of clothes on a beautiful day, and only puritannical culture
conditioning that makes people afraid to try. I wish them a better life
next time.
Ullrich
> No, not at all. I'd like to be doing the same thing. But I don't hike
> the trails nude, only because there are people who would be offended or
> frightened, and I wouldn't want to be one to spoil _their_ moment in the
> wilderness. I know the bad reaction is only in their own mind and most
> people would be indifferent or perhaps some even delighted, but the few
> sad souls need caring too.
> on a beautiful day, and only puritannical culture conditioning that
> makes people afraid to try. I wish them a better life next time.
In explaining why some people choose to wear clothes versus not, and why
some people would rather not see public nudity, I wouldn't emphasize
cultural prudity as the major factor behind these attitudes. You must
have read the practical concerns people have re: bugs, sun,
sticker-bushes, etc.? That's a more reasonable explaination, and doesn't
carry with it your implication that clothed people are puritanical,
fearful, and just not getting all they can from life. What a joke.
Do you really believe that we're all really just dying to disrobe in
public, but we're afraid to try? Your outlier lifestyle isn't for
everyone, nor is your urge to be nude in front of strangers.
But I guess if you keep your pet theory then you're better than the rest
of the puritanical, sad, fearful clothed world, eh?
Phil
ju...@hammfamily.org
> Fred wrote:
>>
>> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
>> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
>> hiker on the trail?
> No, not at all. I'd like to be doing the same thing. But I don't hike
> the trails nude, only because there are people who would be offended or
> frightened, and I wouldn't want to be one to spoil _their_ moment in the
> wilderness. I know the bad reaction is only in their own mind and most
> people would be indifferent or perhaps some even delighted, but the few
> sad souls need caring too.
I think this is important. It is especially important for women alone in
the woods. I know that I am planning to backpack with my 15 year old
daughter, just the two of us, and would be less likely to if we were to
encounter nudity on the trail (separate from off the trail, please note).
Let's be honest here, I have no way, when encountering a naked man in the
woods to know if he is a nudist or a person dangerous to me. I would not
be able to stay in the woods and camp after this kind of an encounter.
The bad reaction would not be only in my own mind, it is an unfortunate
truth that harmless nudists and emotionally disturbed people might both
behave this way and there is no way to tell, with a stranger, which is
which.
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[nude backpacking]
>Around camp, it's a different matter. I love playing naked in the
>wilderness -- it seems a perfect way to commune with nature.
Enh. Seems to me a perfect way to commune with every tick, gnat,
mosquito, burr, thorn, sharp twig, rock, and stand of poison oak
or ivy withing hollering distance.
But suit yourself.
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If your hopes and dreams are shattered
John P Minda
> Enh. Seems to me a perfect way to commune with every tick, gnat,
> mosquito, burr, thorn, sharp twig, rock, and stand of poison oak
> or ivy withing hollering distance.
>
> But suit yourself.
>
Or Un-suit yourself, as the case may be.
Paul
david mann
Rob Henning
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In article <n3g_2.297$PR3....@petpeeve.ziplink.net>, ju...@hammfamily.org
wrote:
>I think this is important. It is especially important for women alone in
>the woods. I know that I am planning to backpack with my 15 year old
>daughter, just the two of us, and would be less likely to if we were to
>encounter nudity on the trail (separate from off the trail, please note).
>
>Let's be honest here, I have no way, when encountering a naked man in the
>woods to know if he is a nudist or a person dangerous to me. I would not
>be able to stay in the woods and camp after this kind of an encounter.
>
>The bad reaction would not be only in my own mind, it is an unfortunate
>truth that harmless nudists and emotionally disturbed people might both
>behave this way and there is no way to tell, with a stranger, which is
>which.
How would you know whether or not ANY man or woman, clothed or naked, whom
you encountered in the woods was dangerous to you? Why would you
automatically assume that a naked man was dangerous? Do you imagine that all
of the "nuts" who walk around in the woods do so naked? Do you suspect that
nudity is a sign that one is dangerous?
The bad reaction IS absolutely ONLY in your mind. One could also say that It
is an unfortunate truth that both harmless people and emotionally disturbed
people might both walk around fully clothed. Nudity would not be an
automatic sign that someone is emotionally disturbed.
You certainly do have reaosn to feel threatend if someone behaves in a
threatening manner in the wilderness. Simply being naked is hardly a
threatening act.
I recommend that you and your daughter not go into the woods alone. You're
obviously not capable of handling it.
Rob
ju...@hammfamily.org
> The bad reaction IS absolutely ONLY in your mind.
One in four women are sexually assaulted by the time they finish college.
That is an accepted statistic, and may be on the low side. The plain
truth is that women have to be on guard about anything with a sexual side.
While nudity may be non-sexual for you, it is usually a sexual
thing, and a woman alone in the woods would need to be concerned running
across a nude man.
> I recommend that you and your daughter not go into the woods alone. You're
> obviously not capable of handling it.
You are a man, and obviously do not understand. You would rather have
your own freedom at the expense of other people. You are fine in an area
where nudity is accepted. It is not everywhere, and it is not generally
on public trails. Where nudity is not the standard, it can be a de facto
threat.
Ullrich
> You certainly do have reaosn to feel threatend if someone behaves in a
> threatening manner in the wilderness. Simply being naked is hardly a
> threatening act.
No, but it's a fringe behavior, you could even say it is out there on the
fringe with threatening acts, it's not what one typically sees out in the
woods so it gives one pause, might make a reasonable person wonder:
"Why is this dipshit naked despite all the good reasons not to be naked in
the woods? Is he exposing himself to me and my kid because it thrills him
sexually or is he just a free-spirit?".
Phil
Tim Howe
> >The bad reaction would not be only in my own mind, it is an unfortunate
> >truth that harmless nudists and emotionally disturbed people might both
> >behave this way and there is no way to tell, with a stranger, which is
> >which.
>
I thought this was clear but to elaborate . . .
> How would you know whether or not ANY man or woman, clothed or naked, whom
> you encountered in the woods was dangerous to you? Why would you
> automatically assume that a naked man was dangerous? Do you imagine that all
> of the "nuts" who walk around in the woods do so naked? Do you suspect that
> nudity is a sign that one is dangerous?
>
no, but given that it is not a social norm a nude person automatically
draws attention. It doesn't matter whether or not this is "right" or not,
it is just true. This person is already behaving in what may be percieved
as an un accecptable manner and so would be treated with caution. The
same would be true if they were wearing a gorilla suit and screaming. The
person in the gorilla suit may be just entertaining children but it looks
weird to you.
> The bad reaction IS absolutely ONLY in your mind. One could also say that It
> is an unfortunate truth that both harmless people and emotionally disturbed
> people might both walk around fully clothed. Nudity would not be an
> automatic sign that someone is emotionally disturbed.
>
No it sin't an automatic sign, and nobody is saying that it is but it is
unexpected and unusual and so may be treated with caution. Not to
mention the fact that it is obviously not too bright in some areas (thorns
and skeeters and ticks, oh my!) and so calls into question their
motives/sanity.
> You certainly do have reaosn to feel threatend if someone behaves in a
> threatening manner in the wilderness. Simply being naked is hardly a
> threatening act.
>
take it in cultural context and you may see that it has the potential to
be threatening.
> I recommend that you and your daughter not go into the woods alone. You're
> obviously not capable of handling it.
>
I recommend that you do not go into the woods alone, you are obviously too
immature to handle it.
Personally I wouldn't be offended by a nude person on the trail but then I
don't have children and am less likely to be attacked (by anyone).
There is also the question of coming across a family of nude hikers, this
would probably be less worrying.
In short, if you are going to hike nude, bring the family
;)
-Tim
N J Marsh
Lorand Andahazy <lor...@scheherazade.com> wrote in message
news:373985E8...@scheherazade.com...
> Fred wrote:
> >
> > How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> > backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> > hiker on the trail?
>
> No, not at all. I'd like to be doing the same thing. But I don't hike
> the trails nude, only because there are people who would be offended or
> frightened, and I wouldn't want to be one to spoil _their_ moment in the
> wilderness. I know the bad reaction is only in their own mind and most
> people would be indifferent or perhaps some even delighted, but the few
> sad souls need caring too.
A sensible and measured, reply, mostly. I must admit that I am somewhat
surprised by the mostly negative responses to the posting; I haven't read
this group much for the past couple of years, but it was always my
impression that nude backpacking threads came up quite often here, and
generally the response was less negative.
I suspect that there may be something of a difference here between Canadian
and American trails, or perhaps it is more of a function of less-travelled
or more-travelled trails. In Northern and Eastern Ontario, I have
occasionally come across nude hikers, although nudity is generally confined
to sites and/or skinny dipping. I have never seen a negative reaction to
them.
More to the point, I have never had a negative reaction, beyond perhaps mild
surprise, when I have been hiking in a group which included naturists. Not
a comment, or a third look. Never. Including from Ministry of Natural
Resources staff.
The thing I find strangest is when we are many miles away from the
trailhead, and have scrimped for space in our packs (and desperately tried
to reduce weight), and we come across people swimming in bathing suits.
As an aside, re: American parks, it is my understanding that, while there is
no law specifically against nudity on federal land, the enforcement agencies
are quite able to harass naturists by use of broader laws (indecent
exposure, disturbing the peace), and enforcement is really up to the
discretion of the officer. There have been several informative threads
discussing this topic recently on rec.nude.
njm
Ullrich
> I suspect that there may be something of a difference here between Canadian
> and American trails, or perhaps it is more of a function of less-travelled
> or more-travelled trails. In Northern and Eastern Ontario, I have
> occasionally come across nude hikers, although nudity is generally confined
> to sites and/or skinny dipping. I have never seen a negative reaction to
> them.
That's an important distinction that you've brought up, it's one thing to
be nude in a remote, semi-remote site or water hole, quite another to be
nude in a known-to-be-busy trail or site.
Phil
sagittaria
beautiful old truck.
Although it is more of a philosophy than a practice (hike naked in the sense
that you open up your mind to all experiences when on the trail, and try not
to bring along any mental baggage as "clothes") I have gone topless on
several occasions. Gravity, however, can hurt! :-)
I did not, nor would I, do such a thing with the expectation of seeing
anybody and eliciting a reaction. The woods are personal. You should be
allowed to be naked in them. Just remember that yours is not the only
opinion. And "naked" is not necessarily the view people had in mind when
they set out on the trail that morning...
Fred wrote in message <23995-37...@newsd-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
DB
Rob Henning wrote in message <92653830...@news.remarQ.com>...>clip
Simply being naked is hardly a
>threatening act.
>
>obviously not capable of handling it.
>
You're absolutely right. Being naked has nothing to do with the degree of
threat. In fact, being naked probably indicates that 'this is a man who is
different than most men' and is therefor not a threat. She should feel
threatened by all men she encounters on the trail to a certain degree, and I
think she has expressed that. I can't remember where I read it , but I
somewhere got the impression that some hikers (men) even carry firearms into
the backcountry. I think her paranoia is what prepares her properly for
going into the woods alone.
Spevak, Matthew Graham
(6-12) to do some camping. When is the best time to go? Where to go? I
was checking flights on the internet and didn't get anything that seemed
reasonable. Any suggestions?
matt
"Lord, let those who love us, love us. For those that don't love us, then
turn their hearts. And if you don't turn their hearts, then turn their
ankles so we will know them by their limping."
Gavin
Spevak, Matthew Graham <spev...@wfu.edu> wrote in message --
| Was looking to get to Ecuador sometime in the next few months
| (6-12) to do some camping. <snip> Any suggestions?
wear some clothes
Gavin
|
jacque greenleaf
(AJPSun1) wrote:
I'm plenty libertarian, and haven't owned a swimsuit in thirty years. I
just think it's idiotic to march down the trail nude. I suspect if Fred
actually tried it, he'd soon agree and put a shirt and pants on. but then,
I prefer the remotest, little used areas, where trails are less well
maintained. if you look around the world, you'll see that most people wear
clothes most of the time. the ones who don't are dark skinned and live in
semideserts, with minimal brush. fashion, prudity, and paranoia have
nothing to do with my reaction (I'm not an expert on other people's
reactions).
--
jacque greenleaf
salem, oregon
H. Paul Jacobson
> Was looking to get to Ecuador sometime in the next few months
> (6-12) to do some camping. When is the best time to go? Where to go? I
> was checking flights on the internet and didn't get anything that seemed
> reasonable. Any suggestions?
Have you had a chance to read a travel guide to the country? That should
give you quite a bit of relevant info. The Lonely Planet book is
particularly good. Its author, R Rachowieki, also wrote a 'Climbing and
Hiking in Ecuador' book (though that may be somewhat out of date).
As to the best time, that may depend on what part of the country you are
interested in. For Quito and most of the inter-mountain basins, from now
through September has the best weather. Starting in October you can count
on rain most every afternoon. There are locally wetter and dryer spots.
For the east side jungles, the seasons are reversed, now will be the less
wet time (not dry though). This is also the cooler part of the year on
the coast.
As for flights, don't expect European style bargains. The traffic and
competition isn't all that high. I'd expect somewhat better rates on the
Ecuadorian airlines than the (one?) US servers. You'd get most choices
out of Miami.
Paul
Capt. Chaos
ndb...@webtv.net (Fred) wrote:
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
>
>
interest from all sides. Your question is an interesting one but the
response as you would expect has many viewpoints. Your question while
simple plays upon a persons upbringing and their social status. To be
in favor with you puts you on one side of the fence and to disagree
with you puts you on the other. I think this is called the catch 22.
It reminds me of the old question, Do your parents know that you beat
your girlfriend? How do you answer???
A nude hiker on the trail how would I react? Well it depends on the
social position that you have to play at the time. If I am with my
family and my young son is with me, the result is different than if it
is just myself when I solo hike each year.
All of us are victims of the social presures that we all endure. Our
culture and all of it's do's and can't do's makes us all uneasy when
someone is different. When it is just me, I don't have a problem with
it.
Several years ago, during a solo trip, I came upon a group of college
students that were of both sexes. During the evening the girls in the
party decided that they were going to swim in the river nude. At first
it made me fell uneasy, but then I was able to forget the social chains
that I carried and I was happy to see that these young people were free
of the pressues that as adults we put upon ourselves. To me, the nude
option is a surprise at first and then you don't worry about it. If
any of you have been to a Las Vegas show, at first all you see is the
topless girl dances but by the end of the show you no longer focus on
the fact that the girls are not wearing any tops.
I think that to go nude is fine. But at the same time, we do not allow
a person to shout fire in a crowed building. And it is the same with
being nude in public. Use common sense and try to understand the needs
of others if it bothers them. As a friend of mine told me once, you
are at an intersection and it is your turn to enter it. You notice a
truck with his brakes on fire and he is not going to stop, you can wait
or you can continue, but the bottom line is you can be right or you can
be dead right.
Happy trails to all.
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moc...@mailcity.com
ndb...@webtv.net (Fred) wrote:
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
> I've never had anyone I've met while nude backpacking
tell me or indicate in any way they were offended or
bothered. From a card carrying member of the AANR
(American Association For Nude Recreation) since 1985.
Last time was in Death Valley. Temperature about 115.
Was out in the sand across from Furnace Creek in the
hills. Met a couple of women hiking. They had their
clothes off about 10 minutes later. Take a chance FRED.
Worst that will happen is someone will scream and faint?
Regards, Rob.
ju...@hammfamily.org
> Worst that will happen is someone will scream and faint?
Actually the worst thing that could happen is that you be indicted and
tried for indecent exposure, and then, thanks to the Megan's laws on the
books, your neighbors are all informed that you are a sex offender.
Unless you live in New Mexico. But that's another thread.
;-)
Seriously, what point someone else brought up is very important. There is
a big difference between encountering a group of hikers skinny dipping or
a family, and encountering a single nude hiker on a highly used trail.
I've spent times in the woods nude myself, but only on private property,
where I was sure that I would not encounter folks who were not like
minded.
If I were in a National Park I would worry about someone so far from the
norms of society. If I saw someone at a campsite through the woods, I'd
probably not give it a thought.
Lorand Andahazy
stated thoughts. Are you a tad nasty to everyone you hike and camp
with?
Ullrich wrote:
>...
> In explaining why some people choose to wear clothes versus not, and why
> some people would rather not see public nudity, I wouldn't emphasize
> cultural prudity as the major factor behind these attitudes. You must
> have read the practical concerns people have re: bugs, sun,
> sticker-bushes, etc.? That's a more reasonable explaination,
Hereabove you reveal a lack of experience in the backcountry, as well as
all those who complain of bugs, sun, thorns and toxic plants. These
things don't really play even a minor role in backpacking experience.
Bugs, for instance -- rarely see 'em except mosquitoes, and mosquitoes
come out in the evening just after sundown when the thermal breezes
quiesce, and by then I'm into clothes for warmth. Besides, there's
always repellent. Don't tell me people who wear full suits of clothing
at all times never use repellent. Sun -- easily managed with sunblock,
unless in severe conditions, in which case it would be plain dumb not to
wear garments for shade. Thorns and toxic plants -- these are generally
avoided easily, whether clothed or not, unless you're stupidly crashing
through the brush. But you would like to think that merely because
someone likes to be nude sometimes that they must be totally dumb and
would try crashing through the brush. Get real.
See, it's not good logic, nor fair to posit the worst of possible
conditions, rare as they are, as good reason never to throw off your
clothes and enjoy nature for a while as she intended you to.
>... and doesn't
> carry with it your implication that clothed people are puritanical,
> fearful, and just not getting all they can from life. What a joke.
But if you can't accept the role that cultural condioning plays in your
own thinking process, then you need to grab for other reasons for your
ideas, such as the hazards of nature. Gee, if nature is so hazardous,
why are you a backcountry fan (or are you)?
My statements did not suggest that, in general, clothed people were
puritannical etc. It was your own statement above making the inference
(from your own mind) that you object to. But it's hard to object to
one's own idea, so you project it onto others and object to them. Not
good logic, nor fair. Besides, it's sloppy thinking.
>...
> Do you really believe that we're all really just dying to disrobe in
> public, but we're afraid to try? Your outlier lifestyle isn't for
> everyone, nor is your urge to be nude in front of strangers.
You exaggerate a lot. And where do you get the idea that I have an urge
to be nude in front of strangers after my statements specifically make
it clear that I am careful NOT to offend or frighten anyone? That's
another nasty twist of your own mind that you projected onto me.
But actually, I do believe there are a lot of people who would like to
try being nude who don't because of cultural (parental, religious,
ethnic etc.) restraints. There are also a great many people who
actually do try it, all alone out there, for just a few minutes or so,
and wouldn't dare admit it to anyone later -- but they'll do it again, I
bet.
>...
> But I guess if you keep your pet theory then you're better than the rest
> of the puritanical, sad, fearful clothed world, eh?
>
> Phil
There's another nasty untrue twist from your own mind projected onto
someone else.
Lorand Andahazy
>...
> I think this is important. It is especially important for women alone in
> the woods. I know that I am planning to backpack with my 15 year old
> daughter, just the two of us, and would be less likely to if we were to
> encounter nudity on the trail (separate from off the trail, please note).
>
> Let's be honest here, I have no way, when encountering a naked man in the
> woods to know if he is a nudist or a person dangerous to me. I would not
> be able to stay in the woods and camp after this kind of an encounter.
>
> truth that harmless nudists and emotionally disturbed people might both
> behave this way and there is no way to tell, with a stranger, which is
> which.
I'd guess the chances are the naked person was harmless, whereas a
dangerous person would dress like other people to hide his or her
intentions.
You make a good point here about the reactions in the mind. It is human
nature to be suspicious of things with which we are not familiar, and
when we lack essential information. Hence the fear generated by the
unexpected and unusual sight of a naked person, especially a man.
Although this reaction IS still in one's own mind, it is reasonable to
expect it to occur. This is why I don't hike along the trails nude.
At camp however, as I said, there's space, and freedom to choose one's
route. Seeing naked people splashing around on the other side of a lake
is a lot less fearful than having to brush shoulders with them on a
narrow trail deep in the woods. If they were laughing and having fun
over there, you might decide to try it for yourself.
Lorand Andahazy
> ...
> Enh. Seems to me a perfect way to commune with every tick, gnat,
> mosquito, burr, thorn, sharp twig, rock, and stand of poison oak
> or ivy withing hollering distance.
I holler at all the poison oaks I lie down in, eat bugs by the bushel,
love scratching mosquito bites until they bleed, beat myself with
branches of thorns, and drop large rocks on my bare toes, because I'm so
dumb ;)
Ullrich
> See, it's not good logic, nor fair to posit the worst of possible
> conditions, rare as they are, as good reason never to throw off your
> clothes and enjoy nature for a while as she intended you to.
Why do you think nature intended you to enjoy the out-of-doors nude?
> But if you can't accept the role that cultural condioning plays in your
> own thinking process, then you need to grab for other reasons for your
> ideas, such as the hazards of nature. Gee, if nature is so hazardous,
> why are you a backcountry fan (or are you)?
> My statements did not suggest that, in general, clothed people were
> puritannical etc. It was your own statement above making the inference
> (from your own mind) that you object to. But it's hard to object to
> one's own idea, so you project it onto others and object to them. Not
> good logic, nor fair. Besides, it's sloppy thinking.
Can you list any other reasons for *not* shedding clothes besides what you
have already emphasized (cultural conditioning) ? I wonder what it is
that keeps the clothes on *most* people, cultural conditioning or some
other things including what others in this thread have brought up.
> But actually, I do believe there are a lot of people who would like to
> try being nude who don't because of cultural (parental, religious,
> ethnic etc.) restraints. There are also a great many people who
> actually do try it, all alone out there, for just a few minutes or so,
> and wouldn't dare admit it to anyone later -- but they'll do it again, I
> bet.
OK, you say a lot of people would like to but don't go nude because of
cultural restraints. By lots do you mean most, 50%, 65%, 25% of clothed
people would like to be nude on the trail or in camp, in the woods in
general? Just trying to get a real clear picture of how you view the
clothed hiking population, in case I'm missing your point, or
"projecting".
Phil
Ullrich
> nature to be suspicious of things with which we are not familiar, and
> when we lack essential information. Hence the fear generated by the
> unexpected and unusual sight of a naked person, especially a man.
> Although this reaction IS still in one's own mind, it is reasonable to
> expect it to occur. This is why I don't hike along the trails nude.
> At camp however, as I said, there's space, and freedom to choose one's
> route. Seeing naked people splashing around on the other side of a lake
> is a lot less fearful than having to brush shoulders with them on a
> narrow trail deep in the woods.
Good point, no reasonable person could argue with that. Looks like there
*may* be a consensus, nudity in known public thoroughfares maybe not such
a good idea, nudity elsewhere why not? Sound about right?
Phil
Ullrich
> stated thoughts. Are you a tad nasty to everyone you hike and camp
> with?
No, I decided to write on the nasty side when you suggested that clothed
folk are sad, frightened offended, and you wished them a better life next
time. That along with your general statement about what mother nature
really intends for us warranted an acidic reply, I thought.
> Ullrich wrote:
> > In explaining why some people choose to wear clothes versus not, and why
> > some people would rather not see public nudity, I wouldn't emphasize
> > cultural prudity as the major factor behind these attitudes. You must
> > have read the practical concerns people have re: bugs, sun,
> > sticker-bushes, etc.? That's a more reasonable explaination,
>
> Hereabove you reveal a lack of experience in the backcountry, as well as
> all those who complain of bugs, sun, thorns and toxic plants. These
> things don't really play even a minor role in backpacking experience.
Really? "..all those who complain of bugs..." are what? Inexperienced?
You must be a troll. Or you sure know a lot about people you've never
met. Re: bugs not a problem:
Ever spent two weeks in the Boundary Waters during the summer?
Visited the Cascades or Olympics during Black fly season?
Those bugs will eat your nude ass to the bone. And I've only heard
about Alaska. Maybe I'm not experienced in your eyes, maybe I am, don't
give a damn, but I've been in some *nasty* bug conditions that repellant
only moderates to be barely tolerable. if you've been i bug-heavy
areas, what's your secret, I must know.
Phil
John Witters
Lorand Andahazy <lor...@scheherazade.com> wrote:
>
>I'd guess the chances are the naked person was harmless, whereas a
>dangerous person would dress like other people to hide his or her
>intentions.
It seems everyone is making an assumption that there are dangerous
people in the backcountry. There is a saying that the further you get
from civilization, the more civilized the people are. With that in
mind, I would not be alarmed by naked people in remote areas. I'd
be a little cautious if I saw them in the city, though.
-John
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Lorand Andahazy <lor...@scheherazade.com> wrote:
>I holler at all the poison oaks I lie down in, eat bugs by the bushel,
>love scratching mosquito bites until they bleed, beat myself with
>branches of thorns, and drop large rocks on my bare toes, because I'm so
>dumb ;)
Look, if you want to cavort around in the buff like some kind of
deranged wood nymph, then fine. I don't care. But I am also
justified in my desire to wear a pair of shorts, simply because I
prefer my wilderness experiences _without_ cockleburrs in the
crack of my ass.
I never said you were dumb. I said, "suit yourself." Although,
now that you've apparently embarked on some kind of Anti-Clothing
Crusade, you're really starting to come off as a bit of a berk.
Deacon
AJPSun1 wrote:
> >. I would definately report him to the
> >nearest police/ranger and believe me, it would not bode well for the
> >so-called "naturalist".
>
> Depending on where you hike - Oregon, Vermont and National Parks and
> Forests, you can NOT have the guy arrested, unless he was committing a CRIME.
> NUDE HIKING, in VERMONT, is NOT A CRIME. Do not Hike in VT, NH or ME. You'll
> see me my g/f and her kids hiking - THE WAY GOD INTENDED!
Just don't ask me to comb the burrs off your hairy ass after a
hard day of hiking, or wipe you down with a calamine-lotion-soaked rag. . . .
moc...@mailcity.com
ju...@hammfamily.org wrote:
> moc...@mailcity.com wrote:
> > Worst that will happen is someone will scream and faint?
>
> Actually the worst thing that could happen is that you be indicted and
> tried for indecent exposure, and then, thanks to the Megan's laws on
the
> books, your neighbors are all informed that you are a sex offender.
> Julie unfortunately makes a more realistic point than I. I was
speaking from my experiences but in our society today dreadful
consequences if you are nude and somebody IS offended.
By the way like your website. Good looking bikes. Used to have a
350 Yamaha myself. Skidded down and hit the curb once cracked my
helmet. Leather and helmets always a good idea. Rob.
AJPSun1
>Where were you when "GOD" was handing out frontal lobes?
Where were you when GOD handed out brains, MORON?? You are a Typical
American who equats NUDISM with SEX. Nudism is the way GOD meant for us to
be.>"Let me show you my Pecker"
>"Let me show you my Pecker"
Wrong Moron, Family nudism is not SEXUAL, only an IMMATURE MORON would
think that!
AJPSun1
>nude. They were not ashamed. Then "the eyes of them both were opened" .
If we were meant to be CLOTHED - we would be born with PAMPERS on! We are
born NUDE.
AJPSun1
>hard day of hiking, or wipe you down with a calamine-lotion-soaked rag. . . .
I won't! I'll ask my g/f.
Ullrich
> >You're in a world of your own, skin-boy.
> >Where were you when "GOD" was handing out frontal lobes?
>
> Where were you when GOD handed out brains, MORON?? You are a Typical
> American who equats NUDISM with SEX.
Is that right?
> Nudism is the way GOD meant for us to be.
Do you have a citation for that last statement, where did you
learn about what "GOD" meant for us? Personal communication from a diety,
maybe? I really want to hear you answer these questions. When you say
"...GOD meant for us..." do you mean all of us or just your family?
Please do tell.
Why do you think that the gods meant us to be nude? Can you give a
reason other than the meaningless statement that we were born that way?
Or is that why you think the gods meant us to be nude most of the time?
If that is your answer, why does coming into the world a certain way mean
that a diety wants us to stay that way? If the gods meant us to be nude,
why does only a fringe of the world's population go without clothing?
Please answer, really, I've never had a chance to read the words of a
divinely-inspired nudist!
> >"Let me show you my Pecker"
> Wrong Moron, Family nudism is not SEXUAL, only an IMMATURE MORON would
> think that!
Yeah, you're the prototype of intelligent maturity. That crack about
typical americans was especially bright.
Would you and your family parade your naked asses down a busy trail, or
would you restrict your nudity to your campsite and more remote locations?
Phil
ri...@kana.stanford.edu
because they were too uptight!!! (Puritans)
I would find this amusing, but many conservative Americans are still
hung up about very unimportant things and try to pass laws against it
all the time.
Lorand Andahazy
>...
> It seems everyone is making an assumption that there are dangerous
> people in the backcountry. There is a saying that the further you get
> from civilization, the more civilized the people are. With that in
> mind, I would not be alarmed by naked people in remote areas. I'd
> be a little cautious if I saw them in the city, though.
Great contribution! It's too easy to get caught up in the paranoia.
Out there is one of the few places I feel it's really safe enough to be
nude!
Lorand Andahazy
me confused with someone else in this thread. Also, this little symbol
;) means "smile with a wink" and is commonly used to denote an attempt
at humor.
Jim Van Cleave wrote:
>... Although,
> now that you've apparently embarked on some kind of Anti-Clothing
> Crusade, you're really starting to come off as a bit of a berk.
>...
David E. Oakley
Trailgalore wrote:
> ju...@hammfamily.org wrote in message ...
> >First of all many jurisdictions do have laws against public nudity, and if
> you ran into a ranger, it seems you could get in big trouble. Like
> >arrested.
>
> A ranger in a Fed forest or park cannot, there is no fed law against such.
You can be arrested in a National Park. I don't know what the exact charge is
though. I think that it has to do with other visitors in the park. In any case
I know that people have been arrested and successfully prosecuted. If anyone is
enterested in such activity, I would suggest that they get information directly
from the National Park Service.
I read on the Internet that it was all right will not be a successful defense.
David
Lorand Andahazy
>...
> Ever spent two weeks in the Boundary Waters during the summer?
> Visited the Cascades or Olympics during Black fly season?
> Those bugs will eat your nude ass to the bone.
Yeah, in fact I have spent two weeks canoeing and portaging in the
Boundary Waters area over 30 years ago -- a week in each of two years.
They were my first camping experiences. In the evening, the mosquitoes
were so thick we had to suffocate ourselves by zipping up completely
inside our sleeping bags. Huge clouds of them obscured the moon! The
sound of so many billions of little buzzing wings was so loud it kept us
awake until the cold of deep night put most of them out of the air.
Those were the days of ineffective and noxious repellent, and primitive
sleeping bags without hoods. We cooked bisquits and soaked them in hot
lard for breakfast. The canoes were great though. What a joy to glide
on the waves over the pure rippling waters teeming with life. Now and
then we'd pick up a few deer flies that would attack us incessantly for
miles of paddling. You know the kind. Big, black, zoom in and take a
terrible stinging bite, then whirl off and come right around again for
another bite. No repellent works, and they're too fast and tough to
kill.
I love them. What skill they have! It puts a whole new meaning on
"tough love". But hey, the mosquitoes, the flies, whatever, it's part
of the backcountry. If you (not you personally, but you in general)
have such negative reactions to these little hazards, you're might
consider going to a resort hotel for your vacation instead.
To stay on topic-- one of us went skinny-dipping a few times (he was a
young refugee from the Hungarian revolution in '56), but me and the
third person in our group were still too conditioned against nudity by
our midwestern American upbringing to join in that activity. We laughed
at each other, from different sides of the stream.
David E. Oakley
Ullrich wrote:
> Good point, no reasonable person could argue with that. Looks like there
> *may* be a consensus, nudity in known public thoroughfares maybe not such
> a good idea, nudity elsewhere why not? Sound about right?
>
> Phil
PhilI would suggest that activity and distance would also be a consideration.
For example, I have several times come upon people bathing in the nude.
Minimal reaction on my part. On the other hand, someone running at me in the
nude would get a lot more of a reaction out of me. If I see some one in camp,
off of the trail, in the nude, I don't have a reaction. If some one that I
didn't know, that was nude, started getting very close to me, I would take
great notice.
David
Ullrich
> Ullrich wrote:
> >...
> > Ever spent two weeks in the Boundary Waters during the summer?
> > Visited the Cascades or Olympics during Black fly season?
> > Those bugs will eat your nude ass to the bone.
> >...
>
> Yeah, in fact I have spent two weeks canoeing and portaging in the
> Boundary Waters area over 30 years ago -- a week in each of two years.
> But hey, the mosquitoes, the flies, whatever, it's part
> of the backcountry. If you (not you personally, but you in general)
> have such negative reactions to these little hazards, you're might
> consider going to a resort hotel for your vacation instead.
Or wear clothes so you don't get bit as much. My point is that parts of
the backcountry are not nudity-friendly and that's a big reason why people
wear clothes. Also habit. Versus the "cultural conditioning"
pop-sociology 101 explanation, if that's even a proximal reason for most
people (which I doubt), it's a small contribution to the important reasons
why people wear clothes in the backcountry.
> To stay on topic-- one of us went skinny-dipping a few times (he was a
> young refugee from the Hungarian revolution in '56), but me and the
> third person in our group were still too conditioned against nudity by
> our midwestern American upbringing to join in that activity. We laughed
> at each other, from different sides of the stream.
Do you go nude in areas and during times when the bugs are particularly
bad? I don't just mean skinny-dipping, I mean do you go nude most
of the day around and between camp(s) when and where the bugs are nasty?
How about the other naked campers that have weighed in on this?
That's the issue that caught my eye: some folks said something to the
effect of "too many bugs to walk around nude, clothes protect you from
them", and you said something about bugs not being even a minor problem.
Phil
Lorand Andahazy
>...
> Why do you think nature intended you to enjoy the out-of-doors nude?
Because it feels good.
>...
> Can you list any other reasons for *not* shedding clothes besides what you
> have already emphasized (cultural conditioning) ? I wonder what it is
> that keeps the clothes on *most* people, cultural conditioning or some
> other things including what others in this thread have brought up.
There are lots of practical reasons. But when there are no practical
obstacles, cultural conditioning takes over as the main reason. One
must allow for peoples preferences. People choose their clothing often
to enhance their image, etc. This is all well and good, bearing in mind
that such choices are highly conditioned by local culture.
>...
> OK, you say a lot of people would like to but don't go nude because of
> cultural restraints. By lots do you mean most, 50%, 65%, 25% of clothed
> people would like to be nude on the trail or in camp, in the woods in
> general? Just trying to get a real clear picture of how you view the
> clothed hiking population, in case I'm missing your point, or
> "projecting".
>...
You're asking me to do some rather specific projecting here myself. So
let me ease into it, with some background. When you say "people would
like to be nude", I realize that there's a difference between those who
plan and do do it, those who conceive the possibility beforehand and
might do it depending on the circumstances they encounter, those who
have a fleeting thought about it but probably won't do it unless the
circumstances are so suggestive as to revive the idea or someone else
leads the way, and those who don't think of it ahead of time but simply
might try it if the right opportunity somehow presented itself. Then
there are those who just wouldn't, and those who wouldn't dream of it
(except perhaps in that nightmare), and would have hostile reaction if
they find it happening.
That's a sort of continuum, I suppose. Based on my actual experiences
with California citizens in the wilderness, I'd guess the numbers go
about as follows:
5% Planners and doers
20% Conceive the possibility
25% Fleeting thoughts
20% Spur of the moment
20% Simply would not
10% Adamantly opposed
I know California has a somewhat more permissive culture than other
parts of the USA.
It would be rather interesting if it were possible to take a poll to see
where people put themselves on such a scale. Is there a way to do that
in, or for, a newsgroup, that is, to set up some kind of anonymous
polling mechanism?
But then, is it worth all this time and effort? Naw. As Nike says,
"Just Do It!" ;)
BADRADD
whatever *non-public* space you can create for yourself anywhere. What I
object to is your notion that you somehow have the right to force others to
particpate in it. In other words, your nudity doesn't represent a perversion
at all in my mind *until* you force yourself into my view by doing it in a
public place. I'm sorry, but I don't want to see it, at least not in close
proximity, and you *do not* have the right to force me into it.
Like I said before, do it in front of my daughter and the fun will be lost on
you and that there is a promise Mr. Nudie Dude.
Nice troll Fred!
Rob Henning
something about a study I read about a few years ago.
It seems that someone did a study of tick bites on nudists at a nudist
resort vs. tick bites on other clothed outdoors users. It seems that the
nudists had a measurably lower incidence of tick bites than the clothed.
This was attributed to 2 possible factors: the first was that nudists had
greater "body awareness" and were therefore more vigialnt in removing ticks.
The second possibity was that since nudist didn't wear clothes, there were
none of the restricitve elastic bands under which ticks like to burrow into
skin.
I have no idea who did this "study," nor do I recall exactly where I read
about it (some outdoors magazine, I think). I just thought it was a bit
amusing relative to this thread.
Rob
Doug Armknecht
>
> If we were meant to be CLOTHED - we would be born with PAMPERS on! We are
>born NUDE.
>
We were all born naked, helpless, and stupid. Some of us chose to
grow out of all three of those. Others, well...
--
Doug Armknecht, dha...@cis.ksu.edu
Steve
>For those who are discussing bug bits on nudists, I want to mention
>something about a study I read about a few years ago.
>
>It seems that someone did a study of tick bites on nudists at a nudist
>resort vs. tick bites on other clothed outdoors users. It seems that the
>nudists had a measurably lower incidence of tick bites than the clothed.
>This was attributed to 2 possible factors: the first was that nudists had
>greater "body awareness" and were therefore more vigialnt in removing ticks.
>The second possibity was that since nudist didn't wear clothes, there were
>none of the restricitve elastic bands under which ticks like to burrow into
>skin.
Such a study immediatly sets off alarm bells as far as I am concerned.
For example, where were the resorts? What other "Outdoor users" were studied?
Someone who is sitting next to a pool on a concrete deck, regardless of
thier clothing or lack of, is not going to get as many ticks as someone who
is pushing through the bush in the middle of the amazon.. Catch my drift?
Studies can be rigged very easily to support someone's views. Sometimes it
is best just not to believe any of them! :P
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> AJPSun1 <ajp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > If we were meant to be CLOTHED - we would be born with PAMPERS on! We are
> >born NUDE.
> >
>
> We were all born naked, helpless, and stupid. Some of us chose to
> grow out of all three of those. Others, well...
Laughing out loud. Go get 'em, Doug!
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Ed Huesers
Being born of the "Free love era", I have always been one the first
to disrobe. As I get older, I see the need to conform to societies mold.
I can usually figure out why "that rule" is in place.
I have also reached out for "that learning experience" and have found
myself hiking at night without a flashlight on an overcast night. I have
also ran through the woods with no shoes or other garments on, over pine
needles and jumping bushes. It felt very free and light. It was a great
learning experience, "Don't jump that bush". The biggest problem was
that I was always thinking that someone would see me and think I was
"one of those".
Due to societies outlook on exposed skin, the children are shocked to
see this and I don't think it is good in that respect. Adults are able
to understand to a degree and consequently don't wind up being
emotionally disturbed because of the exposure. Plus there is a chance
that the adult can stand by his beliefs and kick the crap out of you.
Just take it easy on the children.
Ed Huesers
That dam troll came out from under the bridge.
Fred wrote:
>
> How does the general backpacking public feel towards naturist
> backpackers? Would it bother or offend you if you encountered a nude
> hiker on the trail?
Del Stanley
>
> On 14 May 1999 13:49:25 -0500, dha...@ksu.edu (Doug Armknecht) wrote:
>
> > AJPSun1 <ajp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If we were meant to be CLOTHED - we would be born with PAMPERS on! We are
> > >born NUDE.
> > >
> >
> > We were all born naked, helpless, and stupid. Some of us chose to
> > grow out of all three of those. Others, well...
Are turning the other cheek? Per God? AJPSunl sho ain't
gonna die with his boots on!
Mike2678
<david....@lmco.com> writes:
>You can be arrested in a National Park. I don't know what the exact charge is
>though. I think that it has to do with other visitors in the park. In any
>case
>I know that people have been arrested and successfully prosecuted. If anyone
>is
>enterested in such activity, I would suggest that they get information
>directly
>from the National Park Service.
>
Usual handling is if a prude complains you will be asked to cover up until they
leave or you leave. If the offending person cooperates there will be no
further action. If you're an A-hole you will go to jail on another charge.