Lighterweight underwear?
Buddy
debate but at least it's honest: I'm planning a backpacking/ flyfishing trip
this fall and have done a lot to cut my pack weight, which is currently 43
pounds for three nights including 8.5 pounds of flyfishing gear. I'm
working on some other wader boot options, etc., but could use some ideas
about lighter thermal underwear. The Thermax long bottoms I need under my
travel waders weigh 207 grams and a Thermax longsleeve crew weighs 230
grams. I can't find advertised weights for competing products and would
really appreciate hearing about a lighter weight fabric that works as well
(insulating, wicking and drying) as Thermax.
Buddy Randolph
Bruce W.1
How much does all of your fishing gear weigh? Just curious.
You're shaving ounces when you have pounds of problems. What's wrong
with this picture?
BobT
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Patagonia Capilene is sort of the industry standard. Here are the weights
for large size from my scale:
silk weight:
long sleeve shirt - 5.45 ounces
pants - 5.55 ounces
light weight:
long sleeve shirt, zip T - 6.75
pants - 5.85 ounces
expedition weight:
long sleeve shirt, zip - 10.40 ounces
pants - 7.20
there is also a medium weight that I don't own and haven't weighed
BobT
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Capilene is expensive, but I think it is worth the money.
Bill Tuthill
> ... I can't find advertised weights for competing products and would
> (insulating, wicking and drying) as Thermax.
Thermax doesn't perform very well, so this is not a tall order.
It wicks slowly and feels damp and heavy on the skin.
My preferred fabric is PowerDry from Malden Mills. LL Bean sells
various weights and styles of long underwear at reasonable prices.
PowerDry is unbelievable in its ability to wick, dry quickly, and
keep you relatively cool when it's hot and warm when it's cold.
I have not bought a new Capilene garment in many years, but found
its performance inferior to PowerDry, back then. But probably
the new Capilene fabrics are better.
Buddy
carries Capilene and would tolerate me using a scale before buying. --BR
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Buddy
them in response to your second question (please note, I answered your first
question in the original post).
From >> To (gear replacement):
Eureka Timberline >> MSR Hubba Hubba
TNF Rabbit's Foot >> TNF Fission
LL Bean flyfishing GoreTex jacket >> Red Ledge Thunderlight
Orvis hippers >> Simms Travel waders
Primus Omnifuel >> Snow Peak GigaPower
Sigg Tourist aluminum cookset >> MSR Titan Kettle and Ti cup
Princeton Tec Yukon HL >> Princeton Tec Scout
Winston flyrod case >> homemade rod case from central vacuum tubing
Bruce, these equipment changes saved me about 7 pounds, and I've made a
quite a few minor changes that amounted to a few more ounces. The biggest
weight that I'm looking at now is 2.7 pound wading boots that are about the
lightest I can find with good toe and ankle protection, which is important
to me because my feet play an important role in my "exit strategy." The
underwear may seem like a nit, but carrying several pieces I can save 4-5
ounces using Capilene silkweight and I don't see any other opportunities to
lose that much elsewhere. Thanks for any suggestions. --BR
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Buddy
PowerDry but will check it out shortly. --BR
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<buddyrand...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Bruce, these equipment changes saved me about 7 pounds, and I've made a
>quite a few minor changes that amounted to a few more ounces. The biggest
>weight that I'm looking at now is 2.7 pound wading boots that are about the
>lightest I can find with good toe and ankle protection, which is important
>to me because my feet play an important role in my "exit strategy." The
>underwear may seem like a nit, but carrying several pieces I can save 4-5
>ounces using Capilene silkweight and I don't see any other opportunities to
>lose that much elsewhere. Thanks for any suggestions. --BR
Drop the tent and use a tarp. Use a pop can stove.
rick++
It is not durable and hard to care for.
Buddy
don't yet know how to provide good mosquito protection and how to deal with
blowing rain, both frequent issues where I'm going. I think using a tarp
demands more skill and more careful site selection, and I need to give
serious consideration to learning the techniques because of the big weight
reduction. A lot of tarp users seem to incorporate trekking poles which
I've never used, so I'd need to factor in that additional weight (or other
poles) for an accurate assessment.
I've looked at pop-can stoves online and may build one. I learned to hike
with a Svea 123, and then went through two other gasoline blowtorches before
getting the GigaPower. I'd need to adjust my expectations for a switch to
alcohol but again, the weight savings make for a strong case. It's not yet
clear what one does with a hot pop-can stove that still has alcohol in the
cup and between the walls -- ?
Thank you for your help. --BR
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Puppet_Sock
[what underwear]
Hee hee! The US military has just announced a new official
issue undershorts for the troops in Iraq. The story goes,
now "going commando" will be a thing of the past for commandoes.
Socks
Sapper
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Jon Danniken
> Thermax doesn't perform very well, so this is not a tall order.
> It wicks slowly and feels damp and heavy on the skin.
>
> My preferred fabric is PowerDry from Malden Mills. LL Bean sells
> various weights and styles of long underwear at reasonable prices.
> PowerDry is unbelievable in its ability to wick, dry quickly, and
> keep you relatively cool when it's hot and warm when it's cold.
>
> I have not bought a new Capilene garment in many years, but found
> its performance inferior to PowerDry, back then. But probably
> the new Capilene fabrics are better.
Where do you find that REI's brand of thermals (their "MTS" line) fit into
this comparison?
Jon
Bill Tuthill
>
>> My preferred fabric is PowerDry from Malden Mills. LL Bean sells
>> various weights and styles of long underwear at reasonable prices.
>> PowerDry is unbelievable in its ability to wick, dry quickly, and
>> keep you relatively cool when it's hot and warm when it's cold.
>>
>> I have not bought a new Capilene garment in many years, but found
>> its performance inferior to PowerDry, back then. But probably
>> the new Capilene fabrics are better.
>
> Where do you find that REI's brand of thermals (their "MTS" line)
> fit into this comparison?
My daughter had REI MTS base-layer a while ago, and they seemed heavy
considering how thin they were. Price isn't any better than LL Bean,
so they're something you'd buy mostly for the dividend.
Jon Danniken
Thanks, Bill, I'll have to pick up some of PowerDry and check them out. I
know I've been pleased wth the Polartec line from Malden Mills.
Jon
Buddy
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grid fleece" PowerDry zip t-neck in a flyfishing catalog. Marketed by Simms
means it's a bit pricey, but the styling looks highly functional and the
dealer tells me that a Large weighs six grams according to his postal scale.
It's supposed to be here Friday and is hopefully my new mid-layer. Thanks
again for your thoughts. --BR
Bruce W.1
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I can make one suggestion. Don't take any underwear. When backpacking
I take none. I wear what amounts to a swimsuit that looks like hiking
shorts. Sometimes I take one pair of underwear just for sleeping.
Wiggy's make some lightweight wader boots:
http://www.wiggys.com/category.cfm?Category=3&CFID=3918819&CFTOKEN=69296659
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"Bruce W.1" <so...@noDirectEmail.com> wrote in message
I wear synthetic boxer briefs. Fast drying, no chaffing, lightweight. The
fly is handy as well.
Bill Tuthill
>>
> Bill, after your earlier recommendation I spotted an "expedition weight,
> grid fleece" PowerDry zip t-neck in a flyfishing catalog. Marketed by Simms
> means it's a bit pricey, but the styling looks highly functional and the
> dealer tells me that a Large weighs six grams according to his postal scale.
> It's supposed to be here Friday and is hopefully my new mid-layer. Thanks
> again for your thoughts. --BR
Very interesting, is this the product here?
http://simmsfishing.com/za/SIM?PAGE=PRODUCT_DETAILS&CAT=layering&PROD.ID=21463
Can't find a top on the web. I bought an LL Bean grid fleece top
on sale several years ago, and it is my preferred backpacking jacket.
It's very warm for its weight, and breathes better than most fleece,
but in any breeze it requires a windbreaker.
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>
>I wear synthetic boxer briefs. Fast drying, no chaffing, lightweight. The
>fly is handy as well.
What brand and model?
John
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The most comfortable are Duofold. They seem to be roomier where I need them
to be.
Buddy
>
> Very interesting, is this the product here?
> http://simmsfishing.com/za/SIM?PAGE=PRODUCT_DETAILS&CAT=layering&PROD.ID=21463
>
> Can't find a top on the web. I bought an LL Bean grid fleece top
> on sale several years ago, and it is my preferred backpacking jacket.
> It's very warm for its weight, and breathes better than most fleece,
> but in any breeze it requires a windbreaker.
>
http://www.simmsfishing.com/za/SIM?AGE=PRODUCT_DETAILS&CAT=LAYERING&PROD.ID=21464
It arrived and weighs 8.9 ounces, which is a bit disappointing, but the
difference between it and my microfleece shirt exactly matches the weight of
a 7-piece fly rod in its sock, and a backup fly rod is worth a lot more than
a stylish shirt.
FWIW I also found PowerDry in several Patagonia shirts, such as:
(long link may require multiple pastes and reassembly) and in some Cabela's
shirts such as:
There are at least two varieties of PowerDry fabric in these garments: 4-way
stretch and grid fleece. The Simms shirt stretches in every dirrection and
does not feature a grid pattern, while the Patagonia R1 is grided with less
stretch (except in the special stretch panels under the arms and at the
cuffs) and is about 30% heavier than the Simms. For stretchiness and light
weight I'm keeping the Simms although the others probably wouldn't be bad
choices. --BR
Bill Tuthill
>
> There are at least two varieties of PowerDry fabric in these garments:
> and does not feature a grid pattern, while the Patagonia R1 is girded
> with less stretch (except in the special stretch panels under the arms
> and light weight I'm keeping the Simms although the others probably
> wouldn't be bad choices. --BR
Thanks for the URL pointers. Hopefully the 4-way stretch is just a
knitting technique, and does not indicate a Lycra mix, because Lycra
is extremely nondurable.
My LL Bean PowerDry zip-T also stretches in 4 directions and the label
says 100% polyester. Aside from a bit of red fading in the shoulders,
it is still in good condition after 7 years of hard use.