Does no one use Bleuet stoves???
Jeffrey Olson
years now. I've cooked at 12,000' and at 20 degrees and had no
problems. I had a Bluet and like the Scorpion much better because you
can disconnect the cannister from the stove. Also, MSR has a butane
stove similar to the Scorpion. For ease of use there is nothing like
butane.
Jeffrey Olson
Seattle, Washington, where it was 82 degrees today.
On 3 Sep 1995, Sea Yacker wrote:
>
> Consequently I'm thinking about a bleuet butane stove. It just seems so
> damn easy to use - no fuss no muss, and easily adjustable flame. As far
> as discussions about stoves, however, this one seems to be off the map. I
Sea Yacker
into camping a couple of years ago (coincedent with getting into sea
kayaking), I opted for an MSR after considering many others. Its served
me pretty well, but I have to admit that the priming dirty hand (unless
you bring fuel jelly, etc) nonadjustable nature of these stoves makes
cooking something I don't particularly look forward to. Particularly if
I'm just out for the day and want a quick hot lunch (i.e., cooking a can
of soup while sitting on an exposed offshore rock).
Consequently I'm thinking about a bleuet butane stove. It just seems so
damn easy to use - no fuss no muss, and easily adjustable flame. As far
as discussions about stoves, however, this one seems to be off the map. I
didn't get it originally because I imagined that for really long
expedition trips or trips in weird places, I could not rely on finding the
cannisters. Also, I didn't like the idea of nonrefillable cannisters
(particularly on a camping trip when I'm feeling particularly "green".
But, the expedition trips are far and few between and I guess the cans are
recylceable.
Anyone have one of these and have any opinions on them. Are they
reliable? Any other opinions?
Thanks,
Dave
us00...@interramp.com
Yacker) wrote:
> Anyone have one of these and have any opinions on them. Are they
> reliable? Any other opinions?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
As long as you arn't at high altitudes or in isn't very cold out, these
stoves are great. Unlike my MSR stove, I've never had a single problem
with the Bleuet, and its taken alot of extreme abuse. They're the best
stove I've found for simmering. They're simple, clean (yes there is the
canister and landfill consideration), and a snap to use. For the uses you
described it's a great little stove. I highly recommend it for when a MSR
blowtorch doesn't seem quite appropriate.
Phil
Abe D. Lockman
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>
> Consequently I'm thinking about a bleuet butane stove.
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>
> Anyone have one of these and have any opinions on them. Are they
> reliable? Any other opinions?
An excellent stove (at least the original stove, using the 206 butane or
butane/propane cartridge; I haven't used the new jumbo ones): easy to
use and _extremely_ reliable; just not suitable for winter. You probably
don't see posts on it because no one has any complaints/problems with it.
adl
Linda P. Vigasin
us00...@interramp.com wrote:
>In article <42b9go$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, seay...@aol.com (Sea
>Yacker) wrote:
>
>> Anyone have one of these and have any opinions on them. Are they
>> reliable? Any other opinions?
remove the cannister, which although it is larger than the original Bluet
cannisters, lasts a very long time. I think it is a great stove; it has never
given me any trouble, whatsoever.
Rick Smith
(think that's the number), with the usual convert's zeal. The
thing is just so easy to use, and the ability to simmer seems
roughly equivalent to landing a man on the moon. Of course
the fuel is a lot more expensive, but fuel cost is hardly a
major part of the cost of a trip. And I can live with the
environmental cost of those cannisters; it's gotta be a lot
less than a trip to Disneyland.
Walt Rybinski
>From: seay...@aol.com (Sea Yacker)
>Subject: Does no one use Bleuet stoves???
>Date: 3 Sep 1995 00:04:40 -0400
>Theres always talk on here about MSR vs Coleman. When I started to get
>into camping a couple of years ago (coincedent with getting into sea
>kayaking), I opted for an MSR after considering many others. Its served
>me pretty well, but I have to admit that the priming dirty hand (unless
>you bring fuel jelly, etc) nonadjustable nature of these stoves makes
>cooking something I don't particularly look forward to. Particularly if
>I'm just out for the day and want a quick hot lunch (i.e., cooking a can
>of soup while sitting on an exposed offshore rock).
This has been my sentiments exactly. I've used the bluet (both the kind that
is removeable (the 270/470) and the non-removeable (which I've retired). The
kind of camping that I do is mostly desert and mountain (less than 12000
ft.) and using the combination propane/butane, I have not experienced any
useage problems. In addition to the lighting convenience, there is also the
simmering advantage of adjusting the flame as little as you want. The only
downside that I conceed is the poor performance, after about 2/3 of the fuel
used.
I often go out with guys that use the MSR, and I've have literally finished
boiling water by the time they usually are still priming. I simply get the
stove out of the bag and swoosh it's lit. Under 4-5 minutes, I've got boiling
water. As opposed to the MSR guys, they spend their time connecting all the
parts (hoses, fuel container, windscreen), then a going through a priming
phase, then finally stoking the fire.
It's been thrown back to me that the MSR type of stoves are for the true,
macho, serious backpacker. I pushback and say, I use the tool
that is most convenient and serves the appropriate conditions. If I decide to
go on an expedition greater than 15,000 ft, then I would seriously consider
using the MSR or Apex, but for now I've been more than happy with my GAZ
stoves.
>Consequently I'm thinking about a bleuet butane stove. It just seems so
>damn easy to use - no fuss no muss, and easily adjustable flame. As far
>as discussions about stoves, however, this one seems to be off the map. I
>didn't get it originally because I imagined that for really long
>expedition trips or trips in weird places, I could not rely on finding the
>cannisters. Also, I didn't like the idea of nonrefillable cannisters
>(particularly on a camping trip when I'm feeling particularly "green".
>But, the expedition trips are far and few between and I guess the cans are
>recylceable.
>Anyone have one of these and have any opinions on them. Are they
>reliable? Any other opinions?
>Thanks,
>Dave
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Derek R. Larson
My family bought one back in 1972, and it still works as new. It was
shelved a few times in favor of my Peak 1, a friends Wisperlite, or a
full sixe Coleman for elk camp, but it's still around and performs as
expected when it's needed. Most recently I had it in grad school in CT,
and used in in VT/NH on short trips. It moved in our junk to Indiana,
and then flew back to Oregon this summer and was used in the Cascades,
Blues, and Wallowas before being tossed into my brother's gear for his
first year of college.
Yes, the canisters suck, yes they are expensive, but yes, the stove is
cheap and reliable in decent weather and after 23 years it still cooks as
new. How many Peak 1s do that without major overhaul?
regards-
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-Meriwether Lewis at Ft. Clatsop, Oregon, Jan.4th, 1806
Andy Woodward
\into camping a couple of years ago (coincedent with getting into sea
\kayaking), I opted for an MSR after considering many others. Its served
\me pretty well, but I have to admit that the priming dirty hand (unless
\you bring fuel jelly, etc) nonadjustable nature of these stoves makes
\cooking something I don't particularly look forward to. Particularly if
\I'm just out for the day and want a quick hot lunch (i.e., cooking a can
\of soup while sitting on an exposed offshore rock).
\Consequently I'm thinking about a bleuet butane stove. It just seems so
\damn easy to use - no fuss no muss, and easily adjustable flame. As far
I have an XGK2 and a Bluet. The Bluet gets used FAR more often. It's easier,
cleaner, less hassle. You can light it in tyour tent, cook in the back of the
Landrover, lots of things the MSR isnt good for.
\as discussions about stoves, however, this one seems to be off the map. I
But it's not macho.......... enough for Real Men(tm). Much more heroic to blow
your eyebrows off with the MSR.
\didn't get it originally because I imagined that for really long
\expedition trips or trips in weird places, I could not rely on finding the
\cannisters. Also, I didn't like the idea of nonrefillable cannisters
\(particularly on a camping trip when I'm feeling particularly "green".
\But, the expedition trips are far and few between and I guess the cans are
\recylceable.
Yep, the MSR wins for months in the wilderness, or for subzero stuff, or for
posing in Camp4.. BUT for everything else the Bluet is far better
\Anyone have one of these and have any opinions on them. Are they
\reliable? Any other opinions?
Never even heard of one going wrong. You just light em and you're away. EVery
time. No street cred, tho.
But then NOTHING has the street cred of a hobostove.........
Colin Plumb
Walt Rybinski <wa...@gscrb.sandiegoca.attgis.com> wrote:
> In addition to the lighting convenience, there is also the simmering
> advantage of adjusting the flame as little as you want. The only
> fuel is used.
Um, just wondering... how long does how much fuel last? I was under
the impression that propane/butane was bulkier for the burn time.
Of course, I may be wrong.
--
-Colin
Donald R Newcomb
and a forced-air wood-burner (e.g. Zip Ztove, MarKill Wilderness).
This gives the ability to produce a cup tea almost as quickly
as you would at home or boil all your drinking water with no
concern for the weight of your fuel. The Gaz stove serves well on
rainy days when cooking in the vestibule. The one big problem
with the Gaz stove is that it uses the little (105?) cartridges.
The only place in 100 miles that carries them charges $4 each
for them (they were $1.50 in Athens). If you order them UPS there
is a $6 hazardous cargo fee added to the shipping. Paying $8 for
the same cooking time I could get from $0.25 worth Coleman Fuel
in my Svea 123 is enough to make me want to leave the Gaz at home.
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addtech
> Anyone have one of these and have any opinions on them. Are they
> reliable? Any other opinions?
>
> Dave
I have owned a Bluet stove now for about ten years, and have used it
extensively both on longer wilderness treks and touring across the US
and Europe. I find that the canisters are very convenient. You don't
have to worry about filling, priming, etc. I also have a companion
lantern that works very well. The only time that I have found
the Bleuet system to not function very well was in extreme cold
weather (about 0 degrees); however, they now have a new mixture
of propane/butane that is supposed to help at low temps. I will
try that one out in the Winter.
Tim Fulton
Michael Seltzer
I have Campig Gaz's Turbo 270. Lightweight, compact, puts out
1`=0,000 btus, simmers great, uses both the 470 (large) and 270
(small) cannisters, is removable from cannister, and you can get
a 270 Bivuoac Latern that uses the same cannisters and gives off
100w of light. It's a great system. You can even recycle the
cannisters now (if you find a recycling sight that has the punch).
Look also at Primus. They have a similar system that I think is
lighter and a little cheaper. I found that out after I bought
the Gaz.
Michael
Will Golson
me nuts (and to a Coleman or MSR) is that when the canister starts
getting low (i.e., about 1/3 left), productivity starts to
take a nosedive. Soon the stove is all but useless, and I just burn
off the rest of the fuel so a new canister can be put on (can't
remove nonempty ones safely).
Other than that, they are terrific for three season use.
- Will
Mark
>But then NOTHING has the street cred of a hobostove.........
Too true! What's your favorite design? I have just used a coffee
can with air holes in the bottom, but I bet there are more
ingenious hobos out there.
-m.
Tony Flanders
Sea Yacker <seay...@aol.com> wrote:
> I'm thinking about a bleuet butane stove. It just seems so
> damn easy to use ...
> Anyone have one of these and have any opinions on them. Are they
> reliable? Any other opinions?
Yes, Bleuet stoves are very easy to use, and they are extremely reliable.
They are also very safe; I frequently use them in motel rooms, which I
am very reluctant to do with a white gas stove. For whipping up a cup
of soup or a cup of tea, they are possibly the best lightweight stove
going. I almost always take my Bleuet for short backpacking trips in
above-freezing weather.
On the downside:
* They work very poorly in cold weather (below freezing). This is
somewhat less of a problem at high altitude, where the gas
vaporizes at a lower temperature.
* They are much more sensitive to wind than white gas stoves --
especially MSR stoves, which have spectacularly effective
wind screens.
* They are not very hot. Not much of an issue if you are cooking
for one or two people, unless you are melting snow.
* For long trips, the weight and bulk of the fuel/stove combination
gets to be higher than for most white gas stoves.
- Tony Flanders
d...@inmet.com
Walt Rybinski
>From: co...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Colin Plumb)
>Subject: Re: Does no one use Bleuet stoves???
>Date: 5 Sep 1995 07:38:25 -0600
I'm not exactly sure on what "bulkier for the burn time" means. Let me try to
answer where you're coming from. I did notice when the mixture
(propane/butane) started becoming available that the burn time to boil was
considerably improved (implication is certainly a hotter flame). So to go on,
the big 470's (removeable cannisters) I get about 3 to 3.5 hrs. total burn,
however the last 30 to 40 minutes is not ideal. The old 207(? - not
removeable) I was getting about 2.5 hours. I now use the smaller 270
(removeable) and I get around 2 to 2.5 hours from this cannister.
The above timings are all subject to altitude, temperature and operator
useage habits, so I use the above as my rough guidelines when planning my
trips.
-walt rybinski
Kim Hannemann
Gaz is hard to beat, IMO. The number reflects the canister size - there is a 270
size (about 3" tall) and a 470 size (about 6" tall - weighs about a pound). There
are different stoves, too. One sits on the canister, while another has it's own
supports (and is very sturdy, yet packs small).
yb yee
than >>>>15,000 ft, then I would seriously consider using the MSR or Apex,
warming his tea & himself over *his* Bluet - they work *better* at altitude &
who cooks outside a tent in sub-freezing temps, anyway? jan --a
macho female who's used butane stoves for 25 years & still cookin'.
Mark
Mark
Andy Woodward
|Too true! What's your favorite design? I have just used a coffee
|can with air holes in the bottom, but I bet there are more
|ingenious hobos out there.
Mine is just a 1 gallon paint can with one square slot at the bottom (6"x3") ,
for feeding in fuel and force feeding air by pointing up-gale, and two at the
top (3"x2") at about 120 degree angles round the circumference, to create
pressure-suction and help the airflow. Nothing fancy. But the extra size means
you can transmute base metals into gold with it...........
If you want nuclear fusion, then just add a couple of sheets of something as a
funnel to blast air into the bottom hole.
Bluets? Pah. Boil a mug in haf the time.
MSRs? HahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA! Meal done while they're priming.
Walt Rybinski
>From: yb...@lamg.com (yb yee)
>Subject: Re: Does no one use Bleuet stoves???
I remember seeing that photo of Chris too. So altitude, doesn't seem to affect
as much, and with the propane/butane combo the low temp. ineffiency is better
too.
WebWalker
<sel...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu> wrote:
[snip]
:>Look also at Primus. They have a similar system that I think is
:>lighter and a little cheaper. I found that out after I bought
:>the Gaz.
:>
:>Michael
I don't know about the prices (the US ones) but you could try the following
models. They are highly recommended (I have them myself):
Model 3263, Primus Bruno weighs abt 6.5 oz, folds down to the size of
a pack of cigarettes, screws onto the top of
a 220 or 450 gram (0.5 or 1 lb) butane/propane
cartridge with can be easily removed; built
in piezo lighter
Model 3233, Primus Spiderstove weighs abt 13 oz, looks something like an MSR
Whisperlite, attaches to a gas cartridge like
the ones above through a hose; built in piezo
lighter
with the same gas cartridges you can use
Model 3230 Primus lantern brass construction (old-fashioned design);
provides light equal to a 40W lamp plus 300W
worth of heat; the most quiet gas lantern on
the market (AFAIK); weighs abt 10 oz
Primus also have a futuristic little folding screw on stove for climbers and
other extreme light-weight fans. It weighs 3 oz! It's made out of titanium,
with the knob on the regulator made of cherrywood..... I haven't tried it yet
though.
In my opinion the various butane/propane stoves on the market (Primus brand,
Gaz and others) are the best stoves available for backpackers. The only
drawback (for some people) is that they don't seem to be regarded as being
quite macho.....
But, when I sit comfortably enjoying my nice hot cup of coffee or a hot meal
while my compadres are still fiddling with priming and setting up their
Whisperlites, I can take not being macho..... :-)
/SW
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>Goeran Kropp (Swedish climber) used his Primus Bruno on the top of K2 (over
>28,000 ft) in 1993. He's on his way to Mt Everest right now, bringing Primus
>equipment with him.....
>He is riding by bike from Sweden to Mt Everest, where he intends to climb solo
>without oxygen (first time it's been done), and then ride his bike home
>again.... How's that for a backcountry trip?
That is indeed on hell of a trip. But Everest has been climbed solo and
without oxygen. Alison Hargreves did it earlier this year and Messner did
it in the 80's (or was his ascent just without oxygen, not solo?).
Arthur
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Adam Messinger
: In article <48837423...@lamg.com> yb...@lamg.com (yb yee) writes:
: >From: yb...@lamg.com (yb yee)
: >Subject: Re: Does no one use Bleuet stoves???
: >Date: 05 Sep 1995 16:56:31 GMT
: >>>>It's been thrown back to me that the MSR type of stoves are for the true,
: >>>>macho, serious backpacker. If I decide to go on an expedition greater
: >than >>>>15,000 ft, then I would seriously consider using the MSR or Apex,
: >I've got a neat photo of Chris Bonnington on an Annapurna (or someplace) bivy
: >warming his tea & himself over *his* Bluet - they work *better* at altitude &
: >who cooks outside a tent in sub-freezing temps, anyway? jan --a
: >macho female who's used butane stoves for 25 years & still cookin'.
I don't know about Anapurna, but mine worked just fine on several occasions at
14k. As Jan above said they seem to work better at altitude. As for the
cold, when it gets too bad, I just hold a lighter under the can for a couple
of seconds before lighting and away she goes. Rarely gives me any problems
once it's lit, but if it does I just reapply the lighter. I have a little
Optimus brand stove that takes the screw on type cans. I have rigged it
up in a hanging configuration which makes cooking in the snow in my
vestibule much easier.
Cheers!
Adam
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WebWalker
Rybinski) wrote:
:>In article <48837423...@lamg.com> yb...@lamg.com (yb yee) writes:
:>>From: yb...@lamg.com (yb yee)
:>>Subject: Re: Does no one use Bleuet stoves???
:>>Date: 05 Sep 1995 16:56:31 GMT
:>
:>>>>>It's been thrown back to me that the MSR type of stoves are for the true,
:>>>>>macho, serious backpacker. If I decide to go on an expedition greater
:>>than >>>>15,000 ft, then I would seriously consider using the MSR or Apex,
:>>I've got a neat photo of Chris Bonnington on an Annapurna (or someplace) bivy
:>>warming his tea & himself over *his* Bluet - they work *better* at altitude &
:>>who cooks outside a tent in sub-freezing temps, anyway? jan --a
:>>macho female who's used butane stoves for 25 years & still cookin'.
:>
:>I remember seeing that photo of Chris too. So altitude, doesn't seem to affect
:>as much, and with the propane/butane combo the low temp. ineffiency is better
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:>too.
Primus sell a reusable heating pad that can be used with any butane/propane
cartridge with a concave bottom. You press some kind of button then it heats
the gas to abt 50C. Recharges in boiling water. Should be around $5-6 or so.
Cures the low temp problem altogether.
/SW
Jim Beall
people. The XGK for snow melting and boiling large pots of water and the
Bluie for simmering, etc.
In Nepal we burned kerosene in the XGK and discovered that the Bluie was a
great preheater for the XGK - no muss, no fuss, no priming, no soot - just
hold the XGK burner upside down over the Bleuet till the heat exchange
tube is red hot, shut down the Bleuet, open the fuel valve and insto-flame
on.
Of course I would never recommend that anyone behave like I do, but just
wanted to point out that each has a place. The Bleuet has gone along on
many warm weather car camping and short backpacking trips with my family
of 4 and has served us well (the old super light, nonremovable type).
Mark Scott-Nash
>
>So I guess I'm one of the only people who's had trouble with gas blend
>stoves? I have a Camping Gaz, and at relatively low altitude and
>moderate temperatures, it's fizzled away on me. This is around 5000'
>and 40 F, with a fairly new cartridge. Once it goes out, I can't get
>it relit, even with the valve wide open. Holding the cartridge
>against my body for a while fixes the problem, but I was suprised to
>have trouble at all. Maybe 5000' isn't quite high enough for the
>advantages of the blend to kick in. Or maybe the 270 is more
>sensitive to conditions than the 470. A friend had similar troubles
>with his stove under similar conditions.
>
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>- Eric
Hmmm... 40F is pretty warm to have trouble. However, as the gas expands out
of the cartridge, the cartridge cools. It can get much cooler than the ambient
air temp. The colder it is, the harder it is for the butane to vaporize.
The butane/propane mixtures work better in the extreme cold. Their problem
seems to be that the propane burns up and leaves you with only butane so you
still have to keep the cartridge warm.
-Mark
Redmond Young
The Gaz Tri-Star and Primus offer a butane/propane fuel cannister
offset with a fuel line ala Whisperlight.
But for car camping, instead of hauling one of those 2-burner
propane Colemans or Century Primus, there's a Coleman Apex single
burner stove that takes a cheap propane cylinder via a fuel line.
Other than the fuel, this stove looks just like an Apex.
Sounds like a good idea for a compact, easy lighting, no priming,
easy simmering stove. And I won't have to buy Gaz cans for the
Tri-Star since I have plenty of Coleman Propane cans for use
with my 2-burner stove for car camping. The single burner just
takes up less space in the truck. Any comments ?
RY
Lloyd Blythen
really liked them. Cheap, reliable and safe. People complain that the
energy density of canister fuel's not as high as that of white gas, but
there's not much in it for short trips. Besides, you can crush empty
canisters - carefully! - whereas a fuel bottle takes up the same space even
when it's empty. I don't know what the Bluet's like at altitude or in
extreme temperatures - anyone care to comment? Perhaps the best feature
compared is that you can simmer with a Bluet - try that with a white-gas
burner! Depending on where you're going, the only problem for most people
is that canisters aren't available in really out-of-the-way places. Just
about everywhere with a general store sells them, but with a WhisperLite
you can burn Diesel or whiskey if you really get stuck!
Lloyd
Sondra Sorenson
them over 10,000'. No problem. They don't work so well in temps below
freezing tho...you gotta warm em up first. So one gas doesn't burn off
faster than the other, turn the cannister back and forth gently to mix
it up a bit before lighting. Don't shake!
Sunny