Can you camouflage nylon backpack material?
Marty Jones
Mark Leininger wrote:
>
> I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
> like to change the color to something more subdued. I tried a black magic
> marker test, but it's pretty slow going and has been giving off fumes now for
> weeks. Is there any type of dye I could use on nylon that will be permanent,
> or does anyone have any other suggestions?
>
> Mark Leininger, Fermilab Computing Division ma...@fnal.gov
> CDF Portacamps, Office 149-O
> 630.840.4776 FAX 630.840.2968
I doubt you'll have much success in getting dye
to take in pure nylon. It's sufficiently
impervious that the carpet manufacturers don't
try - they just blend color into the yarn
as it is made.
Best regards,
Marty Jones
Mark Leininger
Brian Parks
In article <5coc90$7...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov>, ma...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov (Mark
Leininger) wrote:
> I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
> like to change the color to something more subdued. I tried a black magic
> marker test, but it's pretty slow going and has been giving off fumes now for
> weeks. Is there any type of dye I could use on nylon that will be permanent,
> or does anyone have any other suggestions?
>
someone just asked this question a week ago. maybe you are reposting?
anyway, i dont know of any dyes that would permanently dye nylon, at least
i would not want to test it on my pack for fear of potential bleeding of
the dye into the goods within (what a mess that would be!). hell, unless
you're absolutely in love with the pack, why not spray paint it? go buy
the subdued colors of your choice and a six pack. consume the second item
and then have a creative party with the first. i would try the paint on a
tester piece first to see how it bonds and whether the solvents would
weaken the material. i believe there are water-based spray paints,
however, which are permanent once dry, so they shouldn't stink nor affect
the fabric in a detrimental way.
bmp
DBGraphics
> I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
> like to change the color to something more subdued. I tried a black magic
> marker test, but it's pretty slow going and has been giving off fumes now for
> weeks. Is there any type of dye I could use on nylon that will be permanent,
> or does anyone have any other suggestions?
Nylon can be dyed with the old RIT die - you just need to get the water
almost boiling.
Also - if the pack was bright colors the black or green dyes will not be
able to replace all the color (nasty brownish grey colors)
I would suggsest buying a pac cover that is camo - or making one of camo
cloth from the local Wal-mart/Mecca
To your health - Doug
Bill Salmon
>ma...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov (Mark Leininger) wrote:
>
> Is there any type of dye I could use on nylon that will be permanent,
>
Camp Trails makes a good camouflaged pack cover that is large enough to
fit any pack, whether with external or internal frame. You can get it
from CampMor and from sporting-goods stores that carry Camp Trails, for
about $27.
Bill Salmon
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In article <5coc90$7...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov>,
Mark Leininger <ma...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov> wrote:
>I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
>like to change the color to something more subdued. I tried a black magic
>marker test, but it's pretty slow going and has been giving off fumes now for
>or does anyone have any other suggestions?
Take it out somewhere, drag it through the mud for a couple of hours,
stomp on it a few times, really grind the mud in. Wash. Repeat until
desired results are obtained.
Works for all my caving gear.
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Mark Thomen
In <5coc90$7...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov>, ma...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov (Mark Leininger) writes:
>I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
>like to change the color to something more subdued. I tried a black magic
>marker test, but it's pretty slow going and has been giving off fumes now for
>weeks. Is there any type of dye I could use on nylon that will be permanent,
>or does anyone have any other suggestions?
Sure; go out and buy a camo design (woodland, Realtree, etc - your
choice) spare tire cover for a jeep and put it over the backpack. You
can also sew some elastic loops on it and stick foliage in them, or
"ghillie" it up by sewing on shredded burlap strips.
Pop the cover off when you want into the backpack, pop it on when
you're ready to go. Since it's got elastic on the open side, it works
perfectly...
Mark
Logan Van Leigh
Mark Leininger wrote:
>
> I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
> like to change the color to something more subdued.
Michaels and other craft stores carry small bottles of room-temperature
dyes in various colors, many of them dark. Covering a bright color w/ a
dark one yields some really muddy, but dark colors. I did this years
ago w/ my pack's _bright_ red crampon patch.
Logan
driver
++++ Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just make/buy a cover for the
existing backpack. Camo
++++ when you need it, bright when you want to be a yuppie+++++
Brian Parks <bmp...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in article
<bmparks-2901...@teosinte.botany.wisc.edu>...
> In article <5coc90$7...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov>, ma...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov (Mark
> Leininger) wrote:
>
> > I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
> > like to change the color to something more subdued. I tried a black
magic
> > marker test, but it's pretty slow going and has been giving off fumes
now for
> > weeks. Is there any type of dye I could use on nylon that will be
permanent,
> > or does anyone have any other suggestions?
> >
Frank Reid
In Article <32F029...@worldnet.att.net> "Bill Salmon <bsa...@worldnet.att.net>" says:
> >ma...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov (Mark Leininger) wrote:
> >
> > Is there any type of dye I could use on nylon that will be permanent,
> >
>
> Camp Trails makes a good camouflaged pack cover that is large enough to
> fit any pack, whether with external or internal frame. You can get it
> from CampMor and from sporting-goods stores that carry Camp Trails, for
> about $27.
>
> Bill Salmon
>
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Robert Fines
You could purchase a camouflage pack cover.
There is one available on the web at:
http://www.campmor.com/packs/ct.universal.pack.cover.html
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Logan Van Leigh
Marty Jones wrote:
> I doubt you'll have much success in getting dye
> to take in pure nylon. It's sufficiently
> impervious that the carpet manufacturers don't
> try - they just blend color into the yarn
> as it is made.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marty Jones
Worked for two years in a dye house in carpet mills. The dyes we used
took to nylon just fine.
Logan
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Mark Leininger wrote:
>
> I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
> like to change the color to something more subdued.
I redecorated a red pack a few years back, after noticing how incongrous other
people's neon packs were with the wilderness. I used three or four Carter's
Marks-A-Lot permanent broad tip marker, about a buck each. Worked for me.
BTW, if Mark is doing this out of considertion for other wilderness users, "Thanks,
Mark."
--Jeff (all dressed in green and brown) Mick
Marty Jones
Then my salesman lied to me! He even showed me
"pictures" of how some of the other synthetics
had little "dye sites", basically surface
roughness, that lets the dye stick. Claimed
nylon didn't have this. That was his excuse for
why his nylon carpets didn't have the broad
range of color availability as the ones he wanted
me to buy. Did I get hustled?
Marty
Strider
>
> > I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
> > marker test, but it's pretty slow going and has been giving off fumes now for
> > or does anyone have any other suggestions?
> >
> anyway, i dont know of any dyes that would permanently dye nylon, at least
> i would not want to test it on my pack for fear of potential bleeding of
> the dye into the goods within (what a mess that would be!). hell, unless
> you're absolutely in love with the pack, why not spray paint it? go buy
> the subdued colors of your choice and a six pack. consume the second item
> and then have a creative party with the first. i would try the paint on a
> tester piece first to see how it bonds and whether the solvents would
> weaken the material. i believe there are water-based spray paints,
> however, which are permanent once dry, so they shouldn't stink nor affect
> the fabric in a detrimental way.
>
> bmp
You can get some real nice patterns by laying natural foilage, sticks,
etc. on top of the material & then spraying it down. It "leaves" a good
impression.
Strider
Patrick O'Connell
Strider wrote:
>
> Brian Parks wrote:
> >
> > In article <5coc90$7...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov>, ma...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov (Mark
> > Leininger) wrote:
> >
> > > I have a backpack which I like but is brightly colored. I would
> > > like to change the color to something more subdued. I tried a black magic
> > > marker test, but it's pretty slow going and has been giving off fumes now for
> > > weeks. Is there any type of dye I could use on nylon that will be permanent,
> > > or does anyone have any other suggestions?
> > >
[other, impractical solutions deleted]
How about putting a rain cover (colored, say, olive drab, brown, or
camo) over your pack? Cost of these covers is under $20 US.
James W. Rawles
> In article <5coc90$7...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov>, ma...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov (Mark
> Leininger) wrote:
One good approach it to simply make a camouflage cover. That way you can
leave your pack still looking P.C.
Here is how to make a cover:
Figure the total are a to be covevred, an add a few inches. Don't forget
to leave allowances for sleeping bags, ground pads, and/or water bottles
that might be outside the pack body. Cut a piece of camouflage material to
size. It is best to use pinking shears so that it doesnt fray. Estimate
how much elastic you will need, and sew it into a loop. Then turn the edge
of the material over, and sew all around the perimeter, sewing in the
elastic. There is no need to sew the elastic in place, so long as it it
fully contained within the "hem."
I have made a couple of covers this way, including one with burlap
garnishing to match a ghillie suit. If you have access to a sewing
machine, they are quick and easy to make.
Woodland pattern camouflage material and elastic are avaialble at nearly
any sewing shop.
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Bill Salmon <bsa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>ma...@dcdmbl.fnal.gov (Mark Leininger) wrote:
>>
>> Is there any type of dye I could use on nylon that will be permanent,
>> or does anyone have any other suggestions? [To camouflage a > brightly-colored pack]
>>
>Camp Trails makes a good camouflaged pack cover that is large enough to
>fit any pack, whether with external or internal frame. You can get it
>from CampMor and from sporting-goods stores that carry Camp Trails, for
>about $27.
>Bill Salmon
I just bought US Mil version (camo backpack cover) from Sierra Supply
for about $5. Very heavy duty.
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Maybe try using a darker or camo raincover, since you're probably carrying
one anyway. Easier than paint or markers....
Dan Baker
Patrick O'Connell wrote:
>
> Strider wrote:
> >
> > Brian Parks wrote:
> > >
> > > Leininger) wrote:
> > >
> > > > like to change the color to something more subdued. I tried a black magic
> > > > marker test, but it's pretty slow going and has been giving off fumes now for
> > > > or does anyone have any other suggestions?
> > > >
>
>
> How about putting a rain cover (colored, say, olive drab, brown, or
> camo) over your pack? Cost of these covers is under $20 US.
you can get camo colored spray paint and go wild! It does wear off
though.
Greg Morse
Dan Baker wrote:
>
> you can get camo colored spray paint and go wild! It does wear off
> though.
I couldn't resist ... can you get striped paint too?
Greg
Bob Johnson
SOme of the hunting supply places sell fabric thats cut to look like
foliage. Should be fairly easy to attach to a pack cover.
Rick Bowen
Rick
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In article <32F202...@msg.ti.com>,
MJ | Marty Jones <mjo...@msg.ti.com> wrote, in conversation with:
LL > Logan Van Leigh:
MJ | I doubt you'll have much success in getting dye
| to take in pure nylon. It's sufficiently
| impervious that the carpet manufacturers don't
| try - they just blend color into the yarn
| as it is made.
LL > Worked for two years in a dye house in carpet mills. The dyes we
> used took to nylon just fine.
MJ | Then my salesman lied to me! He even showed me "pictures" of how
| some of the other synthetics had little "dye sites", basically
| surface roughness, that lets the dye stick. Claimed nylon didn't
| have this. That was his excuse for why his nylon carpets didn't
| have the broad range of color availability as the ones he wanted me
| to buy. Did I get hustled?
Yes, Marty - you got hustled. I've home-dyed nylon, with good results.
As an experiment, spill some spaghetti sauce on that carpet (if you have
some scraps left over from the installation) and see how well it takes
tomato as a dye. No "dye sites" - although a synthetic, it's a fiber.
The only thing I've seen that won't take dye is polyester - for *that*,
the color is blended in before it's drawn. Perhaps your salesman was
really telling you about polyester?
In any case, don't get a supermarket dye - for anything important,
anyway. Go to a weaver's shop - they'll have serious dye.
-=<MIDNIGHT WRITER>=-
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Midnight Writer <emd...@spacestar.net> wrote:
: In article <32F202...@msg.ti.com>,
: MJ | Marty Jones <mjo...@msg.ti.com> wrote, in conversation with:
: LL > Logan Van Leigh:
: MJ | I doubt you'll have much success in getting dye
: | to take in pure nylon. It's sufficiently
: | impervious that the carpet manufacturers don't
: | try - they just blend color into the yarn
: | as it is made.
PAINT it. Use stencils to apply flat acrylic paint in cammy patterns.
Thin it down by about 1/2 with water. The paint job won't affect the wear
of the cloth.
: LL > Worked for two years in a dye house in carpet mills. The dyes we
: > used took to nylon just fine.
:
: MJ | Then my salesman lied to me! He even showed me "pictures" of how
: | some of the other synthetics had little "dye sites", basically
: | surface roughness, that lets the dye stick. Claimed nylon didn't
: | have this. That was his excuse for why his nylon carpets didn't
: | have the broad range of color availability as the ones he wanted me
: | to buy. Did I get hustled?
: Yes, Marty - you got hustled. I've home-dyed nylon, with good results.
: As an experiment, spill some spaghetti sauce on that carpet (if you have
: some scraps left over from the installation) and see how well it takes
: tomato as a dye. No "dye sites" - although a synthetic, it's a fiber.
: The only thing I've seen that won't take dye is polyester - for *that*,
: the color is blended in before it's drawn. Perhaps your salesman was
: really telling you about polyester?
: In any case, don't get a supermarket dye - for anything important,
: anyway. Go to a weaver's shop - they'll have serious dye.
: -=<MIDNIGHT WRITER>=-
: (posted and emailed)
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: teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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