topless hiking
Steve Birchil
solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so share the
stories
Penny S
"Steve Birchil" <jim_na...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> just curious, you always hear the stories..but have any women hiking
> solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so share the
> stories
>
Yeah, right. Maybe you should go to alt.sex.voyeur.
Erin Evans
Erin
Mike B.
jim_na...@webtv.net (Steve Birchil) writes:
>just curious, you always hear the stories..but have any women hiking
>solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so share the
>stories
Get a life dude. The normal wasy is now nude
Rick Courtright
>
> And the 3rd "creepy" incident happened on this newsgroup.........
Hope Melanie's not reading this thread--seems we just managed to address
her fears and this clown shows up! Good grief...
Cheers,
Rick
Lou W.
Steve Birchil <jim_na...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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hiking
> solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so
share the
> stories
>
Penny S
"Lou W." <sai...@home.com> wrote in message
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and people wonder why web tv has such a bad rap....
>
Erin Evans
works for an airline co. and he is willing to purchase a ticket for me
to any destination at a cut rate fare as long as I am willing to post
about the trip on my return. A bizarre case of generosity? Are my
postings really that riveting? Or just setting up a meeting place or
hoping to gain personal info? So much for female paranoia. (my apologies
to Melanie). Hey Dook, requesting alpha...requesting alpha....
Erin
Penny S
"Erin Evans" <erin...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Erin
Yes and its's a drag to think one has to go completely anon on usenet, too,
just because you are female. I find the delete keys and the block sender
function to be very handy.
Penny S - the grrl with the killer abs....
>
Erin Evans
Gotcha. And I don't want to give the impression of the damsel- in-
distress or the proverbial shrinking violet. (I like to think of myself
as more Scarlett than Miss Mellie). I replied w/ a "I-could-
thoroughly-kick-your-ass" email back. All quiet on the western front.
Erin
Rick
newsgroups ( with the exception of the webtv bicycle ng ). The 'bad
rap" is probably well deserved. There are many nice people on webtv, but
also a high number of a**holes making the rest of us look bad.
Rick
Penny wisely noted:
Mark Garrett
>
> just curious, you always hear the stories..but have any women hiking
> solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so share the
> stories
You ignorant F**K, did your parents have any children that lived? You
are the reason women feel unsafe doing things alone. You should be
publicly flogged and neutered.
Mark
--
...as I hammered in the last bolt and staggered over the rim, it was not
at all clear to me who was the conqueror and who was the conquered. I do
recall that El Cap seemed to be in much better condition that I was.
--Warren Harding, 1958
Mark Garrett
Erin Evans
Here I am implying that there may be an element of paranoia to our
concerns and then this thread comes along. Now that's "creepy". :-).
Erin
Dook of URLs
Evans) wrote:
>May be more that a clown. I get an email from this "perv" telling me he
>works for an airline co. and he is willing to purchase a ticket for me
>to any destination at a cut rate fare as long as I am willing to post
>about the trip on my return. A bizarre case of generosity? Are my
>postings really that riveting? Or just setting up a meeting place or
>hoping to gain personal info? So much for female paranoia. (my apologies
>to Melanie). Hey Dook, requesting alpha...requesting alpha....
>Erin
Yo, Erin. I think I didn't make my ruminations clear when I wrote:
"predators
can smell an alpha, and always back down. (The ones who can't smell or
won't back down are almost all already either in jail or in predators'
heaven.)
"It all comes down to living reasonably and respectfully, taking
responsibility for your own self
...
"That reasonable women must either take responsibility
or live in some fear is manifestly obvious. I think I'd rather become
an alpha-on-request."
What I meant to say is that a woman must either be fearful or be her
own alpha-on-request (on request of predators, that is). The few male
jerks are always going to be with us.
So, if I were a woman (or any of the other identifiable groups that
damaged-males prey upon), I'd go to the not-small trouble and expense
of preparing/equipping myself to prevail in any situation that I let
myself get into. Then I'd go on with my life in an open, gentle
manner. (That's pretty much how I pack for, and walk in, the woods.
BTW.)
When I encounter people, I silently project the thought that, "I could
thoroughly kick your ass if I didn't like you so much." And I really
believe it's true. Never had an adverse reaction to so doing. Most
people note only the "like you so much" part, and like me right back.
Indeed, bad dogs and small children are attracted like magnets. Even
the genuine, prison-tattooed rough trade are at least mutually
respectful.
The essential elements are that I stay out of situations which I can't
dominate if need be, and once convinced that trouble will start, I
move first and decisively, as if there will be no second chance (there
won't be). I am of average size and strength, so that is where the
"prepared/equipped" part comes in. I WILL prevail, and predators smell
it.
In case you care, I think among the most attractive attributes of a
woman are that she has her own ideas, her own old friends, her own
money, and, if she moved first, she "could thoroughly kick my ass if
she didn't like me so much ."
It works in the Dookdom, but it doesn't have to work everywhere.
--Dook
F3burnout
hand. The guy did not do anything to deserve being called an "ignorant fuck".
Nowhere in the post did he demean women, nor did he say anything that should
make someone feel unsafe. He may be guilty of bad taste, but that does not
mean that everyone should treat him like the antichrist.
Remove clothing to reply
Jeffrey A. McCann
There was an instance where you probably would have said the same thing
about me once. I was carrying an extra heavy pack one particularly hot
Sierra afternoon, trying to make up for some lost time, and the sweat was
streaming down my face. I'm quite nearsighted and my glasses had gotten
pretty blurry and foggy with all the moisture. Ahead, I heard and then saw
the blurry outlines of a young couple. I walked right up on them at my
rapid pace (they were camped at the hillcrest adjacent to the trail) and I
knew I had surprised them. I paused for a moment and exchanged a few
friendly words and have a drink of water. As I did so, I removed my glasses
and fished out a bandana to dry them off. When I replaced them, I was
horrified to see that I had caught the young lady completely naked, trying
to cover herself, and beet red with embarrassment. I felt like a jerk, and
I'm sure they thought I was an ogling pervert, but I had no idea. If I had
known, I would have made more noise on approach and turned to admire the
view behind me for several minutes before continuing on by.
I recognise that there is a certain joy in communing with nature, and it
can usually be done without likelyhood of discovery once off main trails
and/or a few miles from the trailhead. A little judgment and discretion by
practicioners and a little courtesy and respect by others, and there is
plenty of room for this harmless outdoor pleasure.
Jeff
Mark Garrett <clim...@mailbag.com> wrote in message
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David Paul
>The guy did not do anything to deserve being called an "ignorant fuck".
>Nowhere in the post did he demean women, nor did he say anything that
should
>make someone feel unsafe
Yes, he did. Read the previous posts. He didn't offer ME any free airline
tickets! Of course, that WOULD have been creepy!
Penny S
"Jeffrey A. McCann" <j.mc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Mark:
When I replaced them, I was
> horrified to see that I had caught the young lady completely naked, trying
> to cover herself, and beet red with embarrassment. I felt like a jerk,
and
> I'm sure they thought I was an ogling pervert, but I had no idea. If I
had
> known, I would have made more noise on approach and turned to admire the
> view behind me for several minutes before continuing on by.
Chance encounter on the trail of a nude couple hiking is really different
from a stranger asking women he doesn't know to talk about their breasts in
public forum that is not a sex board.
PS
Tolly
seeing/passing some baseball capped air head with a backpack floppin'
her fat boobs up and down on a hiking trail---DON'T CHA KNOW...
Now... if she were wearin' shorts and had nice solid calf and thigh
muscles and that pack was strapped on broad, solid shoulders and had a
coil of climbing rope draped on one side---I'D BE PLEASED TO SAY HOWDY!
pennys
f3bu...@aol.comclothing says...
>
>I think we need to back up for a minute. This thread is getting way out of
>mean that everyone should treat him like the antichrist.
>
> just curious, you always hear the stories..but have any women hiking
> solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so share the
> stories
Sounds like pure voyeurism or sexual curiosity to me. Why does this guy want
to hear women talk about their naked breasts? First, there's no evidence that
it's a woman looking to compare experiences or looking for advice. No evidence
that he's a nude hiker wanting to see what other nude hikers have to say about
life on the trail.
I know someone will probably say I 'm a bitchy,overly sensistive woman, but hey
we get that way ' cuz of having to deal with crap like this. Also, notice he
didn't offer to talk about HIMSELF and his nude hiking habits, he just wants to
hear about women. Yes, I am offended.
PS
Jeffrey A. McCann
Penny S <psc...@nextdim.com> wrote in message
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[SNIP]
Andy
from a stranger asking women he doesn't know to talk about their breasts in
public forum that is not a sex board. >>
Gee, based purely on his post, I'm not sure how you can come to that
conclusion. He didn't mention breasts in his post, and he didn't necessarily
ask you to talk about your breasts, per se. How do you know what his
motivations were (again, based purely on the original post)? Maybe he wanted
you to share stories about a) what other people's reactions were, if any, and
if that generated any discomfort or awkwardness on the part of either party; b)
what was the reaction, if any, from your local NFS representative?; c) did it
add or detract from your wilderness experience?
Now, I'm not defending the guy (particularly if he did in fact offer airfare to
places unknown), but how can you ascribe dastardly or perverted motivations to
what may have in fact been just a poorly worded request for opinions?
Instead of jumping to conclusions and jumping down someone's throat at the
get-go, why don't you ask him to clarify his post and withhold your judgement
until you can make a reasonable judgement as to the validity of his request?
Andy
These are my opinions and I couldn't care less if OM disagrees
Andy
or looking for advice. No evidence
that he's a nude hiker wanting to see what other nude hikers have to say about
life on the trail. >>
And no evidence he wants you to talk about "your naked breasts."
<< Also, notice he didn't offer to talk about HIMSELF and his nude hiking
habits, he just wants to hear about women. >>
And you would be less offended if he offered, as his first post, a TR about his
nude hiking experience?
Again, I'm not defending him, but c'mon, let's lighten up and get the facts
before we spew venom at what may in fact be an innocent, albeit poorly worded
post.
Penny S
"Andy" <as...@aol.comno.spamx> wrote in message
news:20000724110340...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> Instead of jumping to conclusions and jumping down someone's throat at the
> get-go, why don't you ask him to clarify his post and withhold your
judgement
> until you can make a reasonable judgement as to the validity of his
request?
>
>
> Andy
>
OK. let's see what he has to say for himself.
Why did you post a request for:
"> just curious, you always hear the stories..but have any women hiking
> solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so share the
> stories
inquiring minds want to know.
ps
bbla...@shadows.uottawa.ca
Steve Birchil <jim_na...@webtv.net> wrote:
>just curious, you always hear the stories..but have any women hiking
>solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so share the
>stories
I'd *love* to tell you about mine. It wans't solo, but was with my
friend Jiggles, whose 48 tripple-D makes my 40 inch bust look small.
One day, we were hiking along topless, enjoying the day, when we came
across a troup of boyscouts. Did these guys look like they needed
servicing. However, we decided to take care of the scoutmaster first,
and let the boys watch and learn.
To be continued....
If you want to get the rest of this story, just send ma your credit
card number, and I will tell you about the juicy times that followed.
Erin Evans
newsgroup) offering to buy me an airline ticket (a total stranger) and I
should lighten up? Would you feel the same way if your girlfriend, wife,
or sister received the same? Did any men on this newsgroup get the same
offer? If so, please speak up, so you can support Andy's theory that
"nature boy" holds no gender biases. Please reread the "Women Hiking
Solo" thread. Most of the responses here were simply a reaction to the
irony that such a post would pop up after this thread (and accounts for
my tongue-in-cheek change in title not fear for my safety, although
perhaps that should have been the reason). I would suggest that when
people enter a newsgroup, they take the time to read some of the
threads. The earlier thread and it's participants should have been taken
into consideration before a post of "I'm having fantasies of naked
nymphs frolicking in the forest, please help me out." And the same
respect should have been shown by his subsequent supporters.
Erin
I also find the original post offensive. So that makes 2 women that feel
the same. Majority rules.
Chris Kelly
You are
> a bitchy,overly sensistive woman,
just kidding... I usually get a kick out of the nude hiker
posts when they come up. This guy does take the cake.
It might as well be "Hey, who has had sex while camping?
Women, please tell me all about your experience with sex
in the outdoors".
He really was that blunt.
Chris
Penny S
So that makes 2 women that feel
> the same. Majority rules.
Thanks, Erin. A lot!
>
Chris Kelly
He wanted women to tell him about their experiences hiking topless.
Sounds EXACTLY like he wants Penny to tell him about her nude
breasts.
"Andy" <as...@aol.comno.spamx> wrote in message
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Chris Kelly
severely hard up freak. A REAL freak...
"Erin Evans" <erin...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12042-39...@storefull-156.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Andy
holds no gender biases >>
{sigh} another impulsive posting with no basis in what was written. More
jumping to conclusions about "what was meant" by "what was written." Show me
where in my post(s) I claimed that "nature buy holds no gender biases." Also,
please read my post, all of it, before "telling me what I really must have
meant by my post." I merely suggested that "purely on the basis of what he
*originally* wrote," it *could* have been an innocent request. I specifically
indicated that I was not defending him, PARTICULARLY due to the fact that of
his e-mail to you; what I was condemning was the RUSH TO JUDGEMENT, which if I
read the headers correctly (which, of course, I may not have), PRECEDED your
note about his e-mail solicitation.
<< I would suggest that when people enter a newsgroup, they take the time to
read some of the threads >>
If you are referring to me, a quick dearch on deja.com will show you that I am
*not* a "newcomer" to this group, by any means. Yes, it is my first post in
this thread, but before you opine on "who's a newbie," (again, if you're
referring to me), perhaps you should do your research before you make
unsubstantiated claims.
<< And the same respect should have been shown by his subsequent supporters.
>>
Again, if this is an oblique reference to me, perhaps you should re-read the
posts where I *specifically* indicated that I was not defending him.
Erin Evans
No, thank you. Re: your posts, well said!
Erin
David Paul
Andy wrote in message <20000724110340...@ng-fc1.aol.com>...
>Gee, based purely on his post, I'm not sure how you can come to that
>conclusion. He didn't mention breasts in his post, and he didn't
necessarily
Did you actually read the original post Andy? To refresh your memory:
"just curious, you always hear the stories..but have any women hiking
solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so share the
stories"
1. He only wanted to hear from women
2. He wasn't interested in nude hiking, only topless
The most logical conclusion would be that he was interested in breasts.
When you add to that, the fact that he "presumably" e-mailed Erin asking for
personal information, then you have to consider the likelihood that this
person may be just a little on the strange side.
Play devil's advocate if you want, but I think the others are probably right
this time.
Greg Rose
You brought 'em in hook, line and sinker.
Greg Rose
Steve Birchil <jim_na...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11841-39...@storefull-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Andy
I did, thanks.
<< 1. He only wanted to hear from women >>
So what? It would have been much more offensive, IMHO, if he had asked only
guys: "what do you think about women hiking topless...?"
<< 2. He wasn't interested in nude hiking, only topless >>
seems less offensive, doesn't it?
<< The most logical conclusion would be that he was interested in breasts. >>
That's my point. Don't jump to conclusions without more information. Ask him,
let him supply it, and if he's a perv, nail him. What if, for instance, (and it
wasn't, but just for the sake of argument) this was a *genuine* request from a
non-native English speaker, who possibly would not be able to express
him/herself to our satisfaction (in terms of "what he meant"). It's symptomatic
of the decline of civility: Indict first, ask questions later.
<< When you add to that, the fact that he "presumably" e-mailed Erin asking for
personal information, then you have to consider the likelihood that this person
may be just a little on the strange side. >>
Absolutely no argument with any of you there. I'm not defending him, but the
original post and responses, *I think*, preceded this announcement. So based on
his original post and w/o knowing about the e-mail (which I agree is/was
depraved and cause for concern), why not get a clarification instead of jumping
to conclusions and going ballistic? That's *ALL* I'm saying:
facts/clarification *before* judgement. Once he's been exposed as a nut, by all
means, have at him.
Read my post about *possible* questions he may have been asking. It turns out
that yes, he's probably a nut, but before that was suggested by the e-mail to
Erin, it is *possible* that it could have been legitimate. That's *all* I'm
getting at here.
Rick Ramsey
<psc...@nextdim.com> wrote:
> "Lou W." <sai...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:R1Ke5.1450$a01....@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com...
> > Steve Birchil <jim_na...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:11841-39...@storefull-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > > just curious, you always hear the stories..but have any women
> > hiking
> > > solo taken advantage of the freedom and hiked topless? if so
> > share the
> > > stories
> and people wonder why web tv has such a bad rap....
and to all the others who responded,
Wake up, people, he's trolling. Quit wasting everyone's time and
bandwidth; ignore this kind of stuff...
..............................................................
Rick Ramsey ra...@vanion.com Salida, CO 719-539-7070 evenings.
Penny S
"Chris Kelly" <cke...@imsi.com> wrote in message
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> Andy,
> He wanted women to tell him about their experiences hiking topless.
> Sounds EXACTLY like he wants Penny to tell him about her nude
> breasts.
Well, maybe not me, specifically.... (like I would answer that anyway....)
but what I am trying to figure out, as some one questioned why I would
think this guy wants to hear about breasts, is "what ELSE could he possibly
want to hear about when he says "topless" ? back pack shoulder strap
chafing? sunburns? the back? armpits?
Some men really need to quit defending the more stupid members of their sex.
Penny
Andy
>>
How many times have I now written *specifically* that I was not defending him?
Five? Six?
Chris Kelly
all about topless women... and all the related activities.
"Penny S" <psc...@nextdim.com> wrote in message
news:8li1l...@news1.newsguy.com...
>
> "Chris Kelly" <cke...@imsi.com> wrote in message
> news:pGZe5.46$mh4.1...@dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net...
> > Andy,
> > He wanted women to tell him about their experiences hiking topless.
> > Sounds EXACTLY like he wants Penny to tell him about her nude
> > breasts.
>
>
> Well, maybe not me, specifically.... (like I would answer that
anyway....)
> but what I am trying to figure out, as some one questioned why I would
> think this guy wants to hear about breasts, is "what ELSE could he
possibly
> want to hear about when he says "topless" ? back pack shoulder strap
> chafing? sunburns? the back? armpits?
> Some men really need to quit defending the more stupid members of their
sex.
>
> Penny
>
>
>
>
>
Jerry M. Wright
[snip]
>
>Now, I'm not defending the guy (particularly if he did in fact offer airfare to
>places unknown), but how can you ascribe dastardly or perverted motivations to
>what may have in fact been just a poorly worded request for opinions?
Make up your mind. You are defending him or you are not defending
him. You're trying to do it both ways and it doesn't work.
[snip]
David Paul
Andy wrote in message <20000724142444...@ng-cu1.aol.com>...
>That's my point. Don't jump to conclusions without more information. Ask
him,
>let him supply it, and if he's a perv, nail him.
Sorry Andy, I can and will make assumptions based on the facts at hand. I
don't need get further data before forming an opinion. If I'm wrong, I'll
apologize, but in this case, I seriously doubt if that's necessary.
What if, for instance, (and it
>wasn't, but just for the sake of argument) this was a *genuine* request
from a
>non-native English speaker
You're really grasping at straws....
><< When you add to that, the fact that he "presumably" e-mailed Erin asking
for
>personal information, then you have to consider the likelihood that this
person
>may be just a little on the strange side. >>
Yes, and since he (I'm also assuming this was a "he") couldn't speak English
well, He decided to buy her a plane ticket to anywhere she wanted to go.
Sorry. Doesn't make sense
>
>Absolutely no argument with any of you there. I'm not defending him, but
the
>original post and responses, *I think*, preceded this announcement. So
based on
>his original post and w/o knowing about the e-mail (which I agree is/was
>depraved and cause for concern), why not get a clarification instead of
jumping
>to conclusions and going ballistic? That's *ALL* I'm saying:
>facts/clarification *before* judgement. Once he's been exposed as a nut, by
all
>means, have at him
Thanks, I've already done that.
Mark Garrett
Jeff wrote:
> There was an instance where you probably would have said the same thing
> about me once.
Jeff,
In your instance you made a mistake.... Simply that. You did not come
up[ the the gal and say, Oh so you hike naked... Tell me about it. Nor
did you have the bad taste to ask about it here. I stick by what I said
earlier. the guy is a waste of the air I have to breathe.
Andy wrote:
> > what I was condemning was the RUSH TO JUDGEMENT, which
> > if I read the headers correctly (which, of course, I may not have), >> PRECEDED your note about his e-mail solicitation.
Andy,
I posted POST Erin's airline ticket reply ,it was actually after 10 p.m.
last night when I returned from climbing. I still stick by my reply. If
no one likes that I could not really give a rats ass. We all have an
opinion, if you do not like mine, do not read it. Put me in a kill file
if it will make you feel better, all is still well with me. Your desire
not to hear my opinion really matters none to me. God gave you a set of
eyes that rotate, turn them elsewhere, he also gave you a finger to push
the ignore button. Please use it if I offend you and I will do the same
if you offend me. I think that the content of Steve's post was not only
in poor taste but also tactless and his offering of airline tickets way
out of line.
That is merely my opinion, I do not care if you share it, nor will it
anger me if you do not.
Mark
--
...as I hammered in the last bolt and staggered over the rim, it was not
at all clear to me who was the conqueror and who was the conquered. I do
recall that El Cap seemed to be in much better condition that I was.
--Warren Harding, 1958
gre...@my-deja.com
Dook of URLs <nos...@all.com> wrote:
> Indeed, bad dogs and small children are attracted like magnets.
Anybody who attracts bad dogs to small children can't be all bad.
grelbr
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Rick
>And the guy really is an idiot... I am sure there
> are plenty of newsgroups all about topless
> women... and all the related activities.
There are hundreds of "webtv only" nude newsgroups. It seems to be the
only thing this webtv is good for. Most are for posting pictures of
yourself for the enjoyment? of others. Of course, I myself have never,
ever visited any of these!
Rick
Andy
him. You're trying to do it both ways and it doesn't work. >>
It must be nice to live in a world where everything is black or white. I'm
condemning rushing to judgement in general, which is endemic in these
newsgroups. If you can't see the difference, that's your problem to deal with.
Andy
Obviously, you've never read a posting by a non-native speaker, where
clarification often brings out the true meaning of a posted question.
<< Yes, and since he (I'm also assuming this was a "he") couldn't speak English
well, He decided to buy her a plane ticket to anywhere she wanted to go. >>
Logically, that statement makes no sense.
Andy
kill file if it will make you feel better, all is still well with me. >>
I don't killfile people simply because they disagree with me. If you choose to
do that, great, all the power to you.
<< Your desire not to hear my opinion really matters none to me. >>
When did I say that? Simply because I called for little civility? Hmmm...
<< I think that the content of Steve's post was not only in poor taste >>
Hardly out of line with what is posted practically everyday in this and other
newsgroups.
<< s and his offering of airline tickets way
out of line.
>>
I don't disagree with that at all, as I've stated.
Penny S
Hey, Andy, the rest of us figured out it was a troll....that means you can
drop it now...
"Andy" <as...@aol.comno.spamx> wrote in message
news:20000724184030...@ng-cv1.aol.com...
Mark Garrett
>
> I am with Andy. The guy turned out to be a sicko, but nobody knew that when
> they started attacking him. "ignorant fuck" is out of line. Period. Search
> back over the past few months and you will find several threads dealing with
> hiking nude and sex in the wilderness. There was nothing wrong with those, and
> until we found out the rest of the facts this, too, was a harmless post.
>
> Remove clothing to reply
And I still contend, my opinion is my opinion, and if you do not like
too bad..... You are begging to over belabor a burned out point. Maybe
that is why they call you burnout eh? Like I said earlier, I stand by my
opinion. It is mine, yours is yours, I agree to disagree. WIth that I
have nothing more to say on the matter.
Mark Garrett
certainly the last I have to say.
Ed Huesers
Penny S wrote:
> Hey, Andy, the rest of us figured out it was a troll....that means you can
> drop it now...
Ahem! What about the: North Face Corporate Climber Briefcase? Do they
really make such an animal.
Ed Huesers
http://www.grandshelters.com
Penny S
"Ed Huesers" <e...@grandshelters.com> wrote in message
news:397D0565...@grandshelters.com...
>
>
> Penny S wrote:
> > Hey, Andy, the rest of us figured out it was a troll....that means you
can
> > drop it now...
>
> Ahem! What about the: North Face Corporate Climber Briefcase? Do they
> really make such an animal.
>
Yes they really do and that's it's name, also. It's on page 61 of my 1999
Spring equipment book. This does not mean that it still exists.
Penny
Erin Evans
Since I am a partial subject in this thread,
I will attempt to clarfify my earlier post. Ironically, it was the
"women solo hiking" thread that instigated Steve's post. It was clear in
my posts there that I was single. (He also mentioned in his email to me
that he enjoyed my posts). So we can assume that he read the "women
hiking solo" thread. Let's face it, I doubt I would have received any
airline ticket offers if I sent an "I just got back from a trip w/ my
excon husband and our 2 rottweilers and the AK-47 kept jamming" post.
So, this is not trolling. It's preying, specfically on women. That was
the subject, on a more dramatic scale, of the "women hikng solo" thread.
(and why I humorously changed the title on my response to Steve).
Unfortunately, it confirms the fears posted by the women participants on
the "women hiking solo" thread, or at the least, illustrates their point
to some degree. And it must have been frustrating for all the generous
men who posted there in a sincere attempt to allay these fears. (some of
them responded to Steve's post and voiced this frustration).I don't
think one assinine post pokes a very big hole in their advise but it
could cause a few female eyebrows to be raised ("See."). Look at the
"topless" post in the context of that thread. Considering that Steve
read it, can you still argue "innocence"? That's what I meant by read
the threads before posting. Steve's post, at the very least, shows a
complete lack of sensitivity and respect to those that contributed and,
on a lighter note, complete irony (an insensitivity and irony you fail
to realize). At worst, he was preying on fears that were being expressed
by women at the time. No, a sophmoric post and a bizarre email does not
make me tremble in fear and vow to never venture out on the trail (or on
usenet) again. But, Steve would not be the first person I would like to
meet on a trail and I value my privacy, through email or any other
means. So, what it comes down to is, does your sensitivity lie w/ a
couple of "newbie" novice women hikers coming to a backcountry ng
looking for advise and support from some veterans and can you respect
those members of the group that thoughtfully responded to them? Or does
the alliance go to the one that feels compelled to completely disrupt
what has already been accomplished? You have answered that question. I
remain relieved that you are in the minority. (which, again ironically,
reaffirms the male respondents point in the earlier thread. I guess this
has come full circle).
Erin (my apologies to all who really want to get back to the subject of
this group).
cy...@visi.com
own? You could take him up on it and then trade it in on another trip
you'd prefer. Unless he could somehow trace it to find your
destination.
Yes, many (not all) guys will think he's simply a goof with textual
voyeurism. Women are going to think much worse.
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:38:25 -0700 (PDT), erin...@webtv.net (Erin
Evans) wrote:
>Innocent??? This guy sends me a private email (he got my name off this
>newsgroup) offering to buy me an airline ticket (a total stranger) and I
>should lighten up?
-----
rbc: vixen (somewhat harmless)
The Minnow Goddess, Speaker to squirrels, Protector of Bats.
Dreadfully slow on replying to email.
http://www.visi.com/~cyli
Gary S.
friend record their answering message, or I've seen the electronic
voice changer that makes a woman soprano's voice come out like Barry
White.
Maybe women posting alone here should use a lower octave keyboard. ;-)
Happy trails,
Gary
------------------------------------------------
I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately... HDT
Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
Fred Chittenden
<greg...@gte.net> writes:
>Excellent troll dude...
>
>You brought 'em in hook, line and sinker.
Works even better on the trail. It's amazing the extra burst of energy
you'll get from some rigor mortised group of hikers when they hear a rumor
"thar's a group of topless college girls sunnying themselves up at the lake!"
Always, Fred Chittenden
Always Right, well most of the time
http://www.dolf.com/homestead/alwaysright.html
F3burnout
Andy
OK, I was unaware that he had made similar comments in that thread, which
would give you cause you flame him in this one.
<< Considering that Steve read it, can you still argue "innocence" >>
See below
<<
means. So, what it comes down to is, does your sensitivity lie w/ a couple of
"newbie" novice women hikers coming to a backcountry ng looking for advise and
support from some veterans and can you respect those members of the group that
thoughtfully responded to them >>
Of course my sensitivities lie there. And I find it hard to respect people,
regardless of "status," who go ballistic at the first hint of scandal. Were
they rather more measured in their response, they would be much more
respectable. "Ignorant Fuck" does not engender respect. As one poster
mentioned, the killfile key is just a stroke away.
<< Or does the alliance go to the one that feels compelled to completely
disrupt what has already been accomplished? You have answered that question. I
remain relieved that you are in the minority. >>
And you, unfortunately, missed my point entirely. My point was, in the end,
not about Steve at all. Had you bothered to read what I wrote without being
blinded by the frame of reference which caused you to believe that I was
"against you/defending Steve", you would have seen that. I won't bother to
reiterate it, because I've repeated it, in no uncertain terms at least four
times. You refuse to see what it is I'm *actually* saying, as opposed to what
you want to *believe* I'm saying.
Now you're going to say " well, what WERE you saying then...?". My response: Go
back and read my posts, and pay particular attention to the use of the word
"civility"
Erin Evans
I agree w/ you on one point. Get your facts straight before jumping to
conclusions.
Erin.
Andy
conclusions. >>
Facts? Fact: the first flame (assumption of perversion) came from Penny a full
six hours before you posted the airfare announcement.
Glad we agree on at least one point.
Penny S
"Andy" <as...@aol.comno.spamx> wrote in message
> << Get your facts straight before jumping to
> conclusions. >>
>
>
> Facts? Fact: the first flame (assumption of perversion) came from Penny a
full
> six hours before you posted the airfare announcement.
>
> Glad we agree on at least one point.
>
boy, you just don't know when to quit, do you.
BTW, look up the topless guys posting history. Total troll, all the way,
plus his post just *happened* to coincide with the "women hiking solo" one.
the two threads are actually completely unrelated. BTW, I never flame
anyone....I just express my opinion, clearly.... but since I am a woman of
course that makes me a bitch.
PS
Andy
nah, I always like to have the last word. :-)
<< .I just express my opinion, clearly.... but since I am a woman of course
that makes me a bitch >>
Jesus, this is gonna get me flamed, but I think you must really be my g/f,
posting under an assumed identity.
<flame retardant suit on>
Charley Hamilton
Charley
--
Charles Hamilton, EIT Graduate Student Researcher
Department of Civil and Phone: 949.824.8694
Environmental Engineering FAX: 949.824.2117
University of California, Irvine Email: cham...@eng.uci.edu
Penny S
"Andy" <as...@aol.comno.spamx> wrote in message
> << boy, you just don't know when to quit, do you. >>
>
> nah, I always like to have the last word. :-)
>
> << .I just express my opinion, clearly.... but since I am a woman of
course
> that makes me a bitch >>
>
> Jesus, this is gonna get me flamed, but I think you must really be my g/f,
> posting under an assumed identity.
>
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm already spoken for, and not by you.
PS AKA GTS
N Jill Marsh
> Penny S (psc...@nextdim.com) wrote:
> : Yes and its's a drag to think one has to go completely anon on usenet, too,
> : just because you are female. I find the delete keys and the block sender
> : function to be very handy.
> I've been told that it isn't smart to have my entire name come up with my
> email address, but it's been that way for years and I haven't received
> any death threats yet. (famous last words...)
How much trouble do either of you (and Erin, or any other female poster)
get from being "out" as a female on Usenet these days? I used to receive
creepy e-mails after nearly every post, years ago, but I can't remember the
last time it happened (note to all losers: this is just too easy a
straight line to act upon).
> mirror standing next to a normal-sized friend, I remember that I'm five
> foot one and weigh 95 pounds. And then I have to be realistic about my
> capacity to defend myself, particularly if I found myself somewhere where
> no one would hear if I screamed for help. Even if I did take karate
> lessons, I'm not sure it would do much good.
Not to get into the "smaller can kick bigger's ass" debates with respect
to self defense, martial arts and/or self defense classes can be very
beneficial for women for reasons that are not so obvious, but are, in my
opinion, more useful than most actual techniques. (This is assuming that
one doesn't end up in a women's self defense course that is alarmist and
fear-inducing, and they do exist!)
Any MA/SD course should teach you to punch some one properly. Almost no
one knows how to do this without being taught, and your chances of a
successfull defense rise considerable if you can hit someone without
hurting yourself! (And that's a /lot/ easier than most people realize.)
They can also teach someone to act "bigger than they are", a very good
thing when it comes to self-defense.
Having the opportunity to respond to a male agressor in a controlled
situation will hopefully help one's response to a male agressor in an
uncontrolled one. I would never take a SD class that was women-only, they
should have a couple of token males to whale upon, at a minimum.
> I figure that, being Asian,
> maybe I can just pretend I know karate and bluff my way out of an
> encounter,
That technique is several years out of date.
njm
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"In the ancient Greek Tragedies it was an inronclad rule that all the real
rough stuff should take place off stage, and I shall follow this admirable
principle."
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mary...@my-deja.com
I'm new here and I may have missed the point of this thread but the
only precautions my friends that are girls and I take is to not post
exact dates and places of where we will be.
Mary
In article <8lkihp$3fd$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>,
David Paul
Andy wrote in message <20000725123705...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...
>Jesus, this is gonna get me flamed, but I think you must really be my g/f,
>posting under an assumed identity.
If ever there was a women who needed to be rescued from a dangerous
situation......... ;^)
Andy
situation......... ;^) >>
God, pleeease. *I'm* the one who wishes to be rescued from said situation......
:-)
Chris Kelly
OH.. thinking out loud again!
"Rick" <Mountai...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:26068-39...@storefull-165.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Chris Kelly
the lake....
"Fred Chittenden" <drf...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20000724211035...@nso-cv.aol.com...
Chris Kelly
AK47's almost never jam... and it would not have "kept jamming".
Just playing,
Chris
"Erin Evans" <erin...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:27690-397...@storefull-157.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> means. So, what it comes down to is, does your sensitivity lie w/ a
> couple of "newbie" novice women hikers coming to a backcountry ng
> looking for advise and support from some veterans and can you respect
> those members of the group that thoughtfully responded to them? Or does
> the alliance go to the one that feels compelled to completely disrupt
> what has already been accomplished? You have answered that question. I
N Jill Marsh
> God, pleeease. *I'm* the one who wishes to be rescued from said situation......
> :-)
Oh, keep yer shirt on, they'll stop bothering you shortly.
Jerry M. Wright
><< Make up your mind. You are defending him or you are not defending
>him. You're trying to do it both ways and it doesn't work. >>
>
>It must be nice to live in a world where everything is black or white. I'm
>condemning rushing to judgement in general, which is endemic in these
>newsgroups. If you can't see the difference, that's your problem to deal with.
>
>Andy
From the American Heritage Dictionary
Defense (law) : to attempt to disprove or invalidate an action
or claim.
That pretty much fits your position.
Blaster
>
> Andy,
> Since I am a partial subject in this thread,
> I will attempt to clarfify my earlier post. Ironically, it was the
> "women solo hiking" thread that instigated Steve's post. It was clear in
> my posts there that I was single. (He also mentioned in his email to me
> that he enjoyed my posts). So we can assume that he read the "women
> hiking solo" thread. Let's face it, I doubt I would have received any
> airline ticket offers if I sent an "I just got back from a trip w/ my
> excon husband and our 2 rottweilers and the AK-47 kept jamming" post.
Yea sure... AK-47 kept jamming---like hell!
Andy
Defense (law) : to attempt to disprove or invalidate an action
or claim.
That pretty much fits your position. >>
I guess you missed out on the reading comprehension part of your education, eh?
Maybe you should have another look and actually try to understand what I was
saying. I'm not sure what part of "I'm not defending him" you don't understand
(which was *specified* more than once).
Steve Osterman
>
(several levels of stuff clipped...)
> anyone....I just express my opinion, clearly....
> PS
I've just finished composing a 5 or 6 paragraph response on the
appropriateness of responding aggressively to perceived threats,
the passivity of killfiles, the life ruining and soul crushing
consequences of being called an "ignorant f!!!", and the ultimate
_kindness_ of letting idiots know when they are acting like
idiots*, but I'd much rather chat about the 14er I'm taking my
son up on Sunday, or the really cool camp site in Rocky Mountain
Nat'l Park where we went for his first backpacking trip. Anyone
else with me on this?
SteveO
* - No, I'm not referring to any of the follow up posters.
PS - If anyone really wants to read my rambling and bombastic
tome on this subject, I'd be happy to send it (off line).
What, no takers? Awww, I'm crushed.
PPS - It seems like every time I post to a thread, it dies.
Maybe I can use this power to serve humanity!
Penny S
"Steve Osterman" <oste...@casa.colorado.edu> wrote in message news:but I'd
much rather chat about the 14er I'm taking my
> son up on Sunday, or the really cool camp site in Rocky Mountain
> Nat'l Park where we went for his first backpacking trip. Anyone
> else with me on this?
>
My garage is turning into a staging center for the Alaska trip we are taking
in a few weeks. A friend has a permit for a 10 day run on the Tatshenshini
River, which is right on the Yukon/Alaska border. We float west from an area
sort of in between Haines & Whitehorse, through the Alaska Range, past Mt.
Fairweather, join the Alsek river, and then get picked up by a plane and
flown back to Whitehorse. We are going as private boaters, not outfitted;
16 on the permit. We are going to load our trailer with our raft and
accessories, and drive up from Spokane to the put in....driving is the only
feasible way for a family of four, that is already fully equipped, to go.
I cannot believe how much more gear and crap we have been buying to get
ready for this trip: headlight covers, large outfitter tarp, wetsuit for
one kid, new binoculars; the recommended Alaska river outfit: raingear
with rubber boots. My sewing list is getting long: bug hats, thermal fleece
sox for the whole family, fleece, sleeping bag liners.....
Penny S
Ed Huesers
> I'd much rather chat about the 14er I'm taking my
> son up on Sunday, or the really cool camp site in Rocky Mountain
> Nat'l Park where we went for his first backpacking trip. Anyone
> else with me on this?
Sure, don't tell us the names though, so we can discover it our
selves.
Let us know the starting elevation/ending elevation/vertical gain and
also distance.
Some trials and tribulations mixed in makes for a good story. And
then your sons perception, a before and after.
Ed Huesers
http://www.grandshelters.com
Mark Garrett
of people. Do we really need to keep whipping a dead dog? Or rather can
we drop the whole thing and get on with the important things? Like Maybe
preparing for a trek into the Chequamegon Forest in two weeks or a Isle
Royale trek in four weeks? I guess we have heard everyone's opinions on
this a thousand times over and it would be better dropped. I think that
we all agree that the guy that started is at the least tasteless and at
the most might be something worse. So lets quit arguing and get back on
the subject of the back country. Although I do not retract my statement,
I do apologize if I offend anyone.
There. If that is not enough I can do no more.
Mark
Preparing to hike.....
--
...as I hammered in the last bolt and staggered over the rim, it was not
at all clear to me who was the conqueror and who was the conquered. I do
recall that El Cap seemed to be in much better condition that I was.
--Warren Harding, 1958
jeffe...@my-deja.com
>I would never take a SD class that was women-only,
> they
> should have a couple of token males to whale upon, at a minimum.
Might want to toughen up your hands on some concrete blocks before
whaling on the tokens there, missy.
Chris Kelly
If I took my shirt off do you think they would start bothering me?
(Just kidding.... I know the direction the return flame is going to take)
:-)
Chris
"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in message
news:8lkup0$t55$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca...
Chris Kelly
That does sound like a lot of fun. I am a bit out of shape, so me
and my wife would end up taking it slow... otherwise I would
LOVE to be out there with you. Working full time and going
to school full time is about killing me.
Chris
"Steve Osterman" <oste...@casa.colorado.edu> wrote in message
news:397E27DD...@casa.colorado.edu...
> Penny S wrote:
> >
>
> (several levels of stuff clipped...)
>
> > anyone....I just express my opinion, clearly....
> > PS
>
> I've just finished composing a 5 or 6 paragraph response on the
> appropriateness of responding aggressively to perceived threats,
> the passivity of killfiles, the life ruining and soul crushing
> consequences of being called an "ignorant f!!!", and the ultimate
> _kindness_ of letting idiots know when they are acting like
> idiots*, but I'd much rather chat about the 14er I'm taking my
> son up on Sunday, or the really cool camp site in Rocky Mountain
> Nat'l Park where we went for his first backpacking trip. Anyone
> else with me on this?
>
Penny S
"Chris Kelly" <cke...@imsi.com> wrote in message
news:6fAf5.13$Vd6.1...@dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net...
> Jill,
> If I took my shirt off do you think they would start bothering me?
THWAPP!!....oh wait, wrong ng.
penny
Chris Kelly
Now I am wondering which newsgroup that was for... and if I was
supposed to enjoy it ;-)
Chris
(REALLY just playing)
"Penny S" <psc...@nextdim.com> wrote in message
news:8lmnj8$201g$1...@hardcore.ivn.net...
ALTAN
<jeffe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8llffl$k9r$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> >I would never take a SD class that was women-only,
> > they
> > should have a couple of token males to whale upon, at a minimum.
>
> Might want to toughen up your hands on some concrete blocks before
> whaling on the tokens there, missy.
>
>
out of shape, the last day of class I put on 3" padding and get hit alot! By
the end of night I usualy walk away with some bruises. I might take it easy
at first but by the end of the night It's no holds barred.
I take what I do seriously, since alot of our students are victoms of past
assults. I have seen these classes give them thier life back. So sir you'll
pardon me id I do take offence at your comment though it was not directed at
me persay.
Altan
aka Bear bait
Jo Jo
Time to move on ok??????
Dook of URLs
wrote:
>This thread is becoming like the Mike V. verses Mtn bikers thread.
>Time to move on ok??????
Hey, Jo Jo. I agree, if you mean that it's time for you to move on
from WebTV to an ISP with which you can use a filter-capable
newsreader. (Agent is highly recommended.)
I have kill-filed
author: mike vandeman
subject: bike
subject: bikes
subject: biker
subject: bikers
subject: mtber
subject: mtbers
so I see only one or two vandespam-related posts per week. My filter
puts the kill-filed message directly into the toilet without even
telling me. I don't even hear the flush.
Metaphorically, rec.backcountry is like a big piece of land with a few
thousand hikers on it. Those hikers form and re-form little hiking
parties to walk trails (threads) which interest them at the moment. A
particular hiker doesn't join (filters out) parties which are on
uninteresting (to him/her) trails.
Your message above says, I am not interested in a particular hike, but
I insist on going on all hikes on this land, so stop this particular
hike (Women posting alone) right now. I'd humbly suggest (again) that
you simply don't insist on going on all of the hikes; that is, you
begin filtering your news. There's plenty of room on this land for
everyone who doesn't try to get in other people's faces.
--Dook
Eugene Miya
In article <8lleb6$1dp3$1...@hardcore.ivn.net>,
Penny S <psc...@nextdim.com> wrote:
>My garage is turning into a staging center for the Alaska trip we are taking
>in a few weeks.
Hey, I save my Frequent flyer miles to go to Alaska.
>Fairweather,
>I cannot believe how much more gear and crap we have been buying to get
>ready for this trip: headlight covers, large outfitter tarp, wetsuit for
>one kid, new binoculars; the recommended Alaska river outfit: raingear
>with rubber boots. My sewing list is getting long: bug hats, thermal fleece
>sox for the whole family, fleece, sleeping bag liners.....
Hey, this is light.
But you must be having fun.
Scientific expeditions can involve more. I got to learn how to drive a
bulldozer (I just saw an ad where someone asked to do this and got turned
down), change the blade, use forklifts, drive tracked vehicles, use explosives.
And most of this junk isn't survival gear nor is it eatable.
River/boat trips tend to have greater constraints than backpacking or
climbing: you have to think about waterproofness, floatabilty, its a
good idea to know how to swim, etc.
Have fun.
Eugene Miya
Dook of URLs <nos...@all.com> wrote:
>Metaphorically, rec.backcountry is like a big piece of land with a few
>thousand hikers on it. Those hikers form and re-form little hiking
>parties to walk trails (threads) which interest them at the moment. A
>particular hiker doesn't join (filters out) parties which are on
>uninteresting (to him/her) trails.
Except that not everyone here hikes (you gave them minor offense).
Small nit. But don't worry about that.
My analogy is a net.campfire in a net.wilderness toward the end of a day.
The analogy even incorporates flames. ;^)
>Your message above says, I am not interested in a particular hike, but
>I insist on going on all hikes on this land, so stop this particular
>hike (Women posting alone) right now. I'd humbly suggest (again) that
>you simply don't insist on going on all of the hikes; that is, you
>begin filtering your news. There's plenty of room on this land for
>everyone who doesn't try to get in other people's faces.
It's like reading every single word in a news paper: no one does that.
The usual newbie fallacy is to read posts are them come sequentially.
It's not worth it.
It's a "learn to use your tools" thread (news group maintenance).
Also complain to your ISP if you lack tools, otherwise,
they won't improve.
Penny S
"Eugene Miya" <eug...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote in message
news:3981f2bc$1...@news.ucsc.edu...
> I'll take this troll.
>
> In article <8lleb6$1dp3$1...@hardcore.ivn.net>,
> Penny S <psc...@nextdim.com> wrote:
> >My garage is turning into a staging center for the Alaska trip we are
taking
> >in a few weeks.
>
> Hey, I save my Frequent flyer miles to go to Alaska.
Family of four plus raft and all gear....flying? yeah, right. We did look
into both flying and ferry, more than 3x the cost of driving up for 4.
>
> >Fairweather,
> >I cannot believe how much more gear and crap we have been buying to get
> >ready for this trip: headlight covers, large outfitter tarp, wetsuit for
> >one kid, new binoculars; the recommended Alaska river outfit: raingear
> >with rubber boots. My sewing list is getting long: bug hats, thermal
fleece
> >sox for the whole family, fleece, sleeping bag liners.....
> River/boat trips tend to have greater constraints than backpacking or
> climbing: you have to think about waterproofness, floatabilty, its a
> good idea to know how to swim, etc.
disagree. It's more like car camping.... backpacking with lots of deluxe
goodies going along. ( we usually bring pillows and always bring lawn
chairs) Except on this trip, since all 4 of us are in the one raft (we
almost always take 2 boats) it may be a little cozy. And my post was *not*
a troll!!!
Penny s
Dook of URLs
wrote:
>In article <1643os8n1muujq5ub...@4ax.com>,
>Dook of URLs <nos...@all.com> wrote:
>>
>>Metaphorically, rec.backcountry is like a big piece of land with a few
>>thousand hikers on it. Those hikers form and re-form little hiking
>>parties to walk trails (threads) which interest them at the moment. A
>>particular hiker doesn't join (filters out) parties which are on
>>uninteresting (to him/her) trails.
>
>Except that not everyone here hikes (you gave them minor offense).
>Small nit. But don't worry about that.
Hmmm. Is net.nit taken?
>My analogy is a net.campfire in a net.wilderness toward the end of a day.
>The analogy even incorporates flames. ;^)
Yeah, net.campfire -- that works. Or early evening in a ski lodge bar:
a few drunks, a few people hoping to sell their wares, a couple of
poseurs, even a bellicose vandespammer trying to confirm his sorry
existence by shrieking from an otherwise empty corner. But mostly good
people who sometime ask questions, sometimes share experience or
opinions, and occasionally tell jokes. They move on down the bar when
the conversation loses its appeal for any reason...instead of telling
10 or 100 people to shut up.
>>Your message above says, I am not interested in a particular hike, but
>>I insist on going on all hikes on this land, so stop this particular
>>hike (Women posting alone) right now. I'd humbly suggest (again) that
>>you simply don't insist on going on all of the hikes; that is, you
>>begin filtering your news. There's plenty of room on this land for
>>everyone who doesn't try to get in other people's faces.
>
>It's like reading every single word in a news paper: no one does that.
>The usual newbie fallacy is to read posts are them come sequentially.
>It's not worth it.
>
>It's a "learn to use your tools" thread (news group maintenance).
Partly a tools issue, for sure, and partly an intuitive grasp of the
medium. I can study hammer-and-chisel till the cows come home (or even
till they stop grazing on my public land), and never sculpt an Madonna
-- I just haven't got the firmware. Plunking on my pawn shop guitar
for decades is unlikely to make me an Eric Clapton or a Stevie Ray
Vaughn.
Anyone with a credit card can get himself connected with the latest
tools. (I've considered selling a high-fashion, high-dollar tool belt
for those who carry (display?) a cell phone, two pagers, and a
wireless Palm, all clipped onto their sagging pants belt. One guy at
work even wears suspenders with his jeans to support the load. Who
wants to be that connected?! They look more like wetware routers than
real nodes.)
>Also complain to your ISP if you lack tools, otherwise,
>they won't improve.
WebTV is entry-level 'net connectedness. So are AOL and Prodigy. They
are to real connectedness as a city zoo is to the high country, and
they already know it. It's a profitable business model so long as
there are tons o' newbies to sign up each day. But that well will go
dry in post-industrialized countries some time soon. I think the
survivors will be those companies who offer a second service to retain
the experienced 'net users they have created, and scale back their
kiddie service.
No flame intended. The Dook hisownself started with kiddie service
from AOL, then from a Baby Bell.
--Dook, aka net.nit
mary...@my-deja.com
I react to "missy" the same way you react to "boy". It is
condesending--and meant to be-- and thus rude. Mary
In article <8llffl$k9r$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
jeffe...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >I would never take a SD class that was women-only,
> > they
> > should have a couple of token males to whale upon, at a minimum.
>
> Might want to toughen up your hands on some concrete blocks before
> whaling on the tokens there, missy.
>
DsrtTravlr
wrote:
>I react to "missy" the same way you react to "boy". It is
>condesending--and meant to be-- and thus rude. Mary
>
It is too bad you react to being called missy, there, missy.
And please do not presume to know or understand my feelings or reations if you
do not even know the root of your own. FYI, I do not react to "boy." I have
enough self esteem and self confidence to know that what others may label me is
not who I am.
Steve
Illegitimi non carborundum.
mary...@my-deja.com
Steve Silberberg
>It is too bad you react to being called missy, there, missy.
It is too bad you react to being called redneck, there, redneck.
It is too bad you react to being called wetback, there, wetback.
It is too bad you react to being called cunt, there, cunt.
It is too bad you react to being called nigger, there, nigger.
Great line of reasoning there, jerkoff!
Steve Silberberg
mailto:ste...@onramp.net
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DsrtTravlr
Another great reasoner heard from. And judging by your sig, you are the top of
the pile. Did we react just a little, there, jerkoff?
Steve
Illegitimi non carborundum.
Steve Osterman
>
> Steve Osterman wrote:
> > I'd much rather chat about the 14er I'm taking my
> > son up on Sunday, or the really cool camp site in Rocky Mountain
> > Nat'l Park where we went for his first backpacking trip. Anyone
> > else with me on this?
>
> selves.
> Let us know the starting elevation/ending elevation/vertical gain and
> also distance.
> Some trials and tribulations mixed in makes for a good story. And
> then your sons perception, a before and after.
>
> Ed Huesers
> http://www.grandshelters.com
The two guys we were going to meet at the Bierstad trailhead should
be on the way back to their car as I write this. My car is in a
local garage with two very flat tires and possibly bent rims. Me
and my son are OK, and we missed the deer...
The hike didn't go quite as planned, but then there was lots of room
for it to go worse.
Better story next time.
SteveO
Ed Huesers
> > then your sons perception, a before and after.
Steve Osterman wrote:
> My car is in a
> local garage with two very flat tires and possibly bent rims. Me
> and my son are OK, and we missed the deer...
Better than being in downtown Denver and hitting a bus. Can't come up
with anything better for your woes. Sorry to hear.
> The hike didn't go quite as planned, but then there was lots of room
> for it to go worse.
Is he talking about the next time...?
> Better story next time.
It only gets better.
Ed Huesers
http://www.grandshelters.com
Eugene Miya
Penny S <psc...@nextdim.com> wrote:
>Family of four plus raft and all gear....flying? yeah, right. We did look
>into both flying and ferry, more than 3x the cost of driving up for 4.
You either 1) just happen to have the money, or 2) figure out some
creative way to do it, or 3) do what do decided (drive).
>> >Fairweather,
>
>> River/boat trips tend to have greater constraints than backpacking or
>> climbing: you have to think about waterproofness, floatabilty, its a
>> good idea to know how to swim, etc.
>
>disagree. It's more like car camping.... backpacking with lots of deluxe
>goodies going along. ( we usually bring pillows and always bring lawn
>chairs) Except on this trip, since all 4 of us are in the one raft (we
>almost always take 2 boats) it may be a little cozy.
You can bring goodies in that way it is like car camping only wetter.
But you still want to think about swimming and thing which float.
>And my post was *not* a troll!!!
Yes it was. 8^)
Did you bite on Pete's troll?