Old MSR Stove Vs. New
dave
the pump and had a new fuel line put on by MSR. But am still having
trouble with soot and getting enough pressure in the bottle. Does
anyone have experience with the old stoves and with the new multi-
fuel versions? Are the newer ones worth buying? Thanks, Dave
Tom Arnold
Does
> anyone have experience with the old stoves and with the new multi-
> fuel versions? Are the newer ones worth buying? Thanks, Dave
I have an XGKII. It performs better than any of my friends whisperlites.
It is more stable, cleans itself and seems to built a little sturdier than
the whisperlite. Plus, I have heard it will burn Bacardi 151 in a bind
(Althought that seems a waste to me!) Good luck!
--
Tom Arnold
Cybulk Enterprises
http://www.webcom.com/~cybulk/welcome.html
Keith Sharpley
't...@preferred.com (Tom Arnold)' wrote:
>In article <40tbbp$6...@news.cei.net>, dave <dbe...@cei.net> wrote:
>
>Does anyone have experience with the old stoves and with the new
>
I have an original XGK bought in 1986 and Ive never had a problem with it.
I just recently completely took it apart and cleaned it (very easy to do)
for the first time and it now has that old blast furnace sound and
efficiency. I also bought an new accessory to replace the bent wires that
fold in and out to support the pot. the accessory is two bent wires that
form an inverted wire cage. these are much more stable and come completely
off for packing and storage. If you can find an old one cheap, have the
owner fire it up, if it works well buy it. Can't vouch for other MSR
stoves because I haven't used them but because they are made by MSR they
are probably very good. I havent used anything besides white gas in the
stove because it is so available but wouldnt hesitate to use other fuels.
Keith Sharpley
Jim Thirtyacre
't...@preferred.com (Tom Arnold)' wrote:
>In article <40tbbp$6...@news.cei.net>, dave <dbe...@cei.net> wrote:
>
>Does anyone have experience with the old stoves and with the new
>multi-fuel versions? Are the newer ones worth buying? Thanks, Dave
>
Keith Sharpley,nets...@nyc.pipeline.com,Internet
I have an original XGK bought in 1986 and Ive never had a problem with it.
I just recently completely took it apart and cleaned it (very easy to do)
for the first time and it now has that old blast furnace sound and
efficiency.
I have the old MSR and the new Whisperlite, also from MSR, and both have
never let me down. I burn Coleman fuel in both. The old MSR, while
faithful, does sound like the jet engine of a 737, and if you can scrape up
the
bucks the Whisperlite is worth the silence.
- Jim
David Hicks
>
>
snip
>HOWEVER, they are unsafe in my mind (at least many of the older
>models) because MANY OF THEM LEAK WHITE GAS AT THE CONNECTION WHERE
>THE RUBBER TUBING MEETS THE STEEL PRE-HEAT TUBING!!!!
Snip
There is a kit to replace the old rubber tubing w/ a better metal
fabric style. I got mine from REI. Forget the $; but it was not too
dear.
Dave
Frank Kehl
>> Does anyone have experience with the old stoves and with the new
>> multi-fuel versions? Are the newer ones worth buying? Thanks, Dave
I have both an older Whisperlite and a new XGK II. They're both great
stoves. The XGK II is bulkier and a lot noisier, but it's a better
performer in cold conditions. My only complaint is the fuel pump
handle. The older handles were aluminum, while the newer ones are made
of cheap plastic. I've seen these break in cold weather, which could
really ruin your day. Maybe someday MSR will go back to the aluminum
handles. My Whisperlite has performed flawlessly for about 8 years.
Frank
cn1...@coastalnet.com
>
> In article <40tbbp$6...@news.cei.net>, dave <dbe...@cei.net> wrote:
>
> > anyone have experience with the old stoves and with the new multi-
> > fuel versions? Are the newer ones worth buying? Thanks, Dave
>
> It is more stable, cleans itself and seems to built a little sturdier than
> the whisperlite. Plus, I have heard it will burn Bacardi 151 in a bind
> (Althought that seems a waste to me!) Good luck!
>
I have used MSR stoves for 15+ years and sold them for 5+ years. I
still like my old original MSR (pre-Whisperlite days). It roars
like a jet engine and will either boil your water in no time flat
or melt your pot! Seriously, it does the job of boiling well, but
is lousy at simmering and is bulkier by far than a Whisperlite. I
have not used the XGK, but have heard good things about it. As to
the Whisperlites, I have lots of praise,tempered by one killer
concern. Whisperlites are incredibly lightweight, easy to use,
and you can control the heat intensity very well. HOWEVER, they
are unsafe in my mind (at least many of the older models) because
MANY OF THEM LEAK WHITE GAS AT THE CONNECTION WHERE THE RUBBER
TUBING MEETS THE STEEL PRE-HEAT TUBING!!!! Insode a tent, or in
other close quarters, THIS CAN BE FATAL! Again, I have not had
experience with recent vintage Whisperlites, so maybe this problem
is now solved -- however, I'm still living with memories of the
umpteen number we sold in the early 90's that consistently leaked!
Good luck and happy, safe camping!
Clark Wright
>
Terry Norton
>I have an XGKII. It performs better than any of my friends whisperlites.
>It is more stable, cleans itself and seems to built a little sturdier than
>the whisperlite. Plus, I have heard it will burn Bacardi 151 in a bind
>(Althought that seems a waste to me!) Good luck!
>
Has anyone tried the new pot wires for the XGKII? I bought a pair and
really like them. I am somewhat worried about losing one of the wires
since there is no method for retaining the wires. Also, the rather sharp
ends look as if they might punch a few holes when least expected or
appreciated. I will probably dull the ends of the set I have.
twn
---Just my views...not HP's.
Jeff Venuti
: and you can control the heat intensity very well. HOWEVER, they
: are unsafe in my mind (at least many of the older models) because
: MANY OF THEM LEAK WHITE GAS AT THE CONNECTION WHERE THE RUBBER
: TUBING MEETS THE STEEL PRE-HEAT TUBING!!!! Insode a tent, or in
: other close quarters, THIS CAN BE FATAL! Again, I have not had
I can't believe you would even consider using a stove inside a tent.
Any stove. Thats just dumb and insane to begin with. Not just for
fire hazard reasons, but have you ever heard or asphyxiation?
(perhaps not the way it is spelled here though)
Eugene N. Miya
In article <41ilv0$l...@steadfast.teradyne.com> venuti@porsche
(Jeff Venuti ) writes:
>I can't believe you would even consider using a stove inside a tent.
>Any stove. Thats just dumb and insane to begin with. Not just for
>fire hazard reasons, but have you ever heard or asphyxiation?
You don't do any camping in winter, eh?
Just call me CRAY-Z.
"I may be an idiot, but I'm not crazy." --The Villiage Idiot, Monty Python
Ken Pisichko
>
> In article <41ilv0$l...@steadfast.teradyne.com> venuti@porsche
> (Jeff Venuti ) writes:
> >I can't believe you would even consider using a stove inside a tent.
> >Any stove. Thats just dumb and insane to begin with. Not just for
> >fire hazard reasons, but have you ever heard or asphyxiation?
>
> You don't do any camping in winter, eh?
>
Air Cadets (our military version of Scouting) for about 14 years. We
never cooked in our tents. There were specific orders against it! On
that basis I believe the military does have some intelligence.
Similarly, Scouts Canada does not allow/condone/suggest cooking in tents.
Fire, asphixiation and potential mess are enough reasons to keep the lit
stove(s) outside.
Yes the Innu did cook inside their igloos, but they only had a tiny oil
lamp with a wick made of moss. They also ate a lot of their meat raw. I
am only talking of their traditional ways before the traders corrupted
the Innu's health with "our" foods .
Happy winter Camping!
It snowed in the Territories today.
Regards,
Ken Pisichko
Markus Bjorksten
> > >I can't believe you would even consider using a stove inside a tent.
> > >Any stove. Thats just dumb and insane to begin with. Not just for
> > >fire hazard reasons, but have you ever heard or asphyxiation?
Eugene N. Miya > >
> > You don't do any camping in winter, eh?
Ken Pisichko >
> Lots of us up here in Canada do winter camping. I worked with Army and
> Air Cadets (our military version of Scouting) for about 14 years. We
> never cooked in our tents. There were specific orders against it! On
> that basis I believe the military does have some intelligence.
This is a matter that regularily turns up on rec.backcountry and the
above discussion is typical. On previous times the conclusion seems to
have been that cooking within a tent (not in the inner tent but under
the rainfly) is common, if not standard practice in winter camping in
adverse conditions, which are not uncommon above the treeline. Cooking
within a snow cave is also considered possible, but not very
recommendable. This is consistent with the Finnish and Swedish
litterature I know and the practices that I am familiar with (alcohol
stoves).
> Fire, asphixiation and potential mess are enough reasons to keep the lit
> stove(s) outside.
High quality tent fabric does not sustain a flame. Proper burning and
sufficient ventilation is needed to avoid CO. Water vapour (burning
hydrogen and evaporation) is also a problem making proper ventilation
necessary and making cooking within an abside less attractive.
Cooking outside may not however be possible in very bad weather (eg
snow storm).
What comes to military safety rules, in my experience they can be
absurdly strict in some cases. Over here military tents are made to
be heated with wood stoves, and cooking inside is trivial.
Markus Bjorksten
Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen TF.E/DELAB
In Norway as well. In the kind of military tent that does not have a stove, the
standard practice is to cook on an Optimus stove inside the tent. If you have
reasonable ventilation, this is OK with military tents, because they do not burn
very easily. (In case you are unlucky when starting your stove and gets the
flame-thrower effect). I wouldn't do it in my lightweight nylon tent, though.
Ole-Hj. Kristensen
Stephan Neuhaus
I haven't followed this thread closely, but I think I'll add what I
have to say anyway.
I have two stoves: an MSR XGK II and a Trangia. I would *never* get
the idea of lighting the MSR inside a tent, well-ventilated or not.
The initial flare-up is just too hard to control (especially in
"well-ventilated" tents). Furthermore, the MSR's bottom gets too
hot. I'd never risk putting it on a ground sheet or (heaven forbid)
the tent floor or (heaven forbid!) my Therm-A-Rest.
I would, however, use the Trangia inside almost any tent, as long as
it's well-ventilated. No flare-up, no hot stove bottom, no smelly
fumes. And it has an extremely poor simmering ability, so you are
less tempted to let it running during the night. The price is a
longer boiling time. And you cannot get `methylated spirits' or
`stove alcohol' in some parts of the US, as I had to find out when I
was without my MSR in Kings Canyon NP last year. I had to cook with
rubbing alcohol! It worked but getting a liter of water to `boil'
took almost half an hour. And another tip: never, NEVER ever use the
Trangia with white gas!
In cold *and* foul weather, I'd prefer the Trangia, and to hell with
the extra minute or two that it takes to get hot tea into my stomach.
When the weather is only cold, I's take the MSR and cook outside the
tent. (If you know that there is a cave nearby, that is another
matter.)
If you reply, please send a copy per email to neu...@dfki.uni-sb.de
as well, since I don't read this newsgroup regularly. Thank you.
Have fun,
Stephan
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Mike Hejl
> There is a kit to replace the old rubber tubing w/ a better metal
> fabric style. I got mine from REI. Forget the $; but it was not too
> dear.
Finally, after about 10 years, my Whisperlight International started
leaking here. I called MSR and they sent me a complete hose/generator/
jet assembly FREE with no questions asked! The assembly arrived in 3 days.
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George Thomas
> I can't believe you would even consider using a stove inside a tent.
> Any stove. Thats just dumb and insane to begin with.
Been there, done that, for a month up in Alaska bush.
What am I supposed to do, cook outside with the grizzlies
and skeeters? No flare ups with a Coleman two-burner.
[Clarification: stove in tent for one month, still working
on the 'dumb and insane' part...]
>Not just for
> fire hazard reasons, but have you ever heard or asphyxiation?
That is what the second door is for...
A bigger motivation for ventilation is a partner
that farts a lot.
As usual, Markus has good advice.
--
George Thomas
geo...@geophys.washington.edu
david mann
>>
>Lots of us up here in Canada do winter camping. I worked with Army and
>Air Cadets (our military version of Scouting) for about 14 years. We
>never cooked in our tents. There were specific orders against it! On
>that basis I believe the military does have some intelligence.
Hmm... Ski areas almost always have rules against skiing off piste.
This is not because off piste skiing so terribly dangerous. The problem
is that it is too dangerous for the vast majority of the skiing public.
A similar thing is going on with the "orders" you are refering too here.
This is meant as no disrespect to the military or to the scouts. But
those making the orders (officers, scout leaders) must recognize
that the majority of their subordinates lack some sort of expertise.
In this case, it makes perfect sense to issue orders against firing
up stoves in a tent in just the same way as it makes sense (although
I hate to admit this) for ski areas to ban off piste skiing.
Like off piste skiing, cooking in a tent can be done safely. You
just need to know what you are doing. There are hazards.
Oh, don't follow those tracks into the woods. They aren't mine!!
Dave Mann
Alan McKay
>I have two stoves: an MSR XGK II and a Trangia. I would *never* get
>the idea of lighting the MSR inside a tent, well-ventilated or not.
>The initial flare-up is just too hard to control (especially in
>"well-ventilated" tents). Furthermore, the MSR's bottom gets too
>hot. I'd never risk putting it on a ground sheet or (heaven forbid)
>the tent floor or (heaven forbid!) my Therm-A-Rest.
Carry one of those cork pot-cooler with you.
--
I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.
http://www.acadiau.ca/cc/alan/
Eugene N. Miya
>|> > > You don't do any camping in winter, eh?
Clearly, history and literature is replete with climbers and polar
explorers who have a need to cook inside a tent. Cooking (melting water)
does not happen outside when the wind is blowing 50 MPH (e.g., ~80 KPH)
Hornbein in Everest (exploding stove), Byrd over winter on the Ross Ice
Sheet (carbon monoxide -- Alone). Consider: Byrd didn't stop heating his
hut when he realized his self-poisoning. Ad nauseum.
>|> Ken Pisichko >
>|> > Lots of us up here in Canada do winter camping.
>|> > never cooked in our tents. There were specific orders against it! On
>|> > that basis I believe the military does have some intelligence.
And noted with Scouts.
I don't regard it as a big deal priming (the big issue) in a tent.
The big problem for most people is that they use far too much fuel when
priming anyway.
1) Don't over pump pump action stoves.
2) Use a minimum of priming fuel. Learn to use less.
3) Save the flamethrower for the net, and don't use it to prime
the stove.
The Scouts are interesting sub problem. I've talked with a Den mother
for whom she would not trust her Eagle Scout son with a gas stove yet.
That's fair enough, but most Scout's don't deal with winter. They can
learn to work their way to using gas and kerosene as needed.
>In article <BJORKSTE.95...@finsun.csc.fi>, bjor...@finsun.csc.fi
(Markus Bjorksten) writes:
>|> This is a matter that regularily turns up on rec.backcountry and the
>|> above discussion is typical.
Yep.
>|> On previous times the conclusion seems to
>|> have been that cooking within a tent (not in the inner tent but under
>|> the rainfly) is common, if not standard practice in winter camping in
>|> adverse conditions, which are not uncommon above the treeline. Cooking
>|> within a snow cave is also considered possible, but not very
>|> recommendable. This is consistent with the Finnish and Swedish
>|> litterature I know and the practices that I am familiar with (alcohol
>|> stoves).
Yep. not merely caves, but also igloos, etc.
>|> > Fire, asphixiation and potential mess are enough reasons to keep the lit
>|> > stove(s) outside.
You learn to do what you can.
You learn your lessons from those who have gone in the world of
exploration before you.
>|> What comes to military safety rules, in my experience they can be
>|> absurdly strict in some cases.
Yep, they have different requirements.
In article <41saca$2...@nntp.nta.no> o...@hal.nta.no
(Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen TF.E/DELAB) writes:
>In Norway as well.
Time to fill the flamethrower tanks again.
John Reece
neu...@dfki.uni-sb.de (Stephan Neuhaus) wrote:
> And you cannot get `methylated spirits' or
>`stove alcohol' in some parts of the US, as I had to find out when I
>was without my MSR in Kings Canyon NP last year. I had to cook with
>rubbing alcohol!
Look for shellac thinner in any hardware store. You may have to
buy it a gallon at a time. Boating supply stores also
usually carry alcohol stove fuel.
John Reece
Not an Intel spokesman
Gregory Andreas
outside of tents. Outside of a tent you may lose your dinner and /or youe
eyebrows; inside you may lose much more.
I camp regularly in the winter in the Sierras. I have never encountered
conditions where I thought it safer to operate a stove inside a tent or
snow shelter.
Michael K. Tamada
<cn1...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>I have used MSR stoves for 15+ years and sold them for 5+ years. I
[...]
>concern. Whisperlites are incredibly lightweight, easy to use,
>and you can control the heat intensity very well. HOWEVER, they
>are unsafe in my mind (at least many of the older models) because
>MANY OF THEM LEAK WHITE GAS AT THE CONNECTION WHERE THE RUBBER
>TUBING MEETS THE STEEL PRE-HEAT TUBING!!!! Insode a tent, or in
>other close quarters, THIS CAN BE FATAL! Again, I have not had
>experience with recent vintage Whisperlites, so maybe this problem
>is now solved -- however, I'm still living with memories of the
>umpteen number we sold in the early 90's that consistently leaked!
Yi! I hadn't heard this before. I forget how old my current
Whisperlight is but I think I bought it around 1990. Haven't noticed
any leaking problems (certainly haven't had any leaking gas flare up)
but this is not comforting news!
I assume that it is the Whisperlight and not its predecessor the
Firefly that you are refering to? I remember getting a Firefly around
1980 and being happy with it but then all older Fireflies got recalled:
had to ship it back to MSR and then they shipped it back to me with a new
fabric-encased fuel line instead of the flimsy plastic one and with
heat-resistant lubrication on the flame control valve. MSR I think paid
for all this and the revamped Firefly still worked fine.
Was there ever a recall for those early 90s Whisperlights?
--Mike Tamada
Occidental College
tam...@oxy.edu
rando
of humongous proportion with driving winds in the North Cascades. Upon
arriving at the crest of the ridge where there was a semi-suitable
respite from the grade, we chipped the ice from our pack buckles and
zippers, stamped out a flat spot in the snowpack behind a few low
boulders, and set up our tent. This is more complicated than it sounds -
when the wind is blowing 900 mph (ok, maybe a slight exaggeration).
Anyway, we did finally get it up and got inside. It was by then dark,
late, and we were freezing. We had to fuel our bodies with something
warm. In the relative calm of the tent, (the sound of wind @ 900 mph has
got to be around 100dB), we carefully cranked up our little Svea123. We
set it on a pot lid on a sleeping pad on the snow - relatively stable. 17
years with this little friend made us fairly expert with its
idiosyncracies. Of course, we are also careful by nature. We probably
didn't need to crack a window since the wind was blowing thru the fabric
of both fly and tent, but we did anyway. And we had a hot repast.
By mid-morn the next day, it had stopped snowing and the wind was down to
a stiff gale. We tunneled out to do the necessaries and decided that
breakfast too would have to be done indoors to be accomplished.
Point is, we really didn't have a lot of options in our situation, we're
not stupid, shit happens, and you can cook in a tent.
Mind the moment, perform each movement consciously, do - no, be - a Zen
thing.
I really just wanted to tell my little story. thanx for listening.
--
randall grohman [ "I say,beware of all enterprises ]
tucson arizona [ that require new clothes, and not ]
[ rather a new wearer of clothes." ]
[ thoreau, walden ]
david mann
[snip...]
: We had to fuel our bodies with something
: got to be around 100dB), we carefully cranked up our little Svea123. We
: set it on a pot lid on a sleeping pad on the snow - relatively stable.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ooohhhh, so thats how you keep from getting those pesky little circles
burned into your sleeping pad. My pad looks like that "rain drop" screen
saver!
: 17 years with this little friend made us fairly expert with its
: idiosyncracies.
This is the key. Cool story.
Dave Mann
Scot Carpenter
: Last September I and a friend were bombarded by a rain/sleet/snow storm
: I really just wanted to tell my little story. thanx for listening.
Nice story; now -- could you write us a haiku to sum it up?
I almost feel that there is a koan in there...but that could be
stretching it.... unless you are roshi rando.
scot
--
| Scot Carpenter carp...@uh.edu |
Ken Pisichko
reading it for the last while as well as the thoughtful and well written
private e-mail responses from both sides of the Atlantic/Arctic oceans -
direction depends upon location ;-) I have the following comments:
a) accidents will happen regardless of where you cook,
b) winter camping has less room for error than summer camping,
c) cooking inside a tent requires cautions that some ignore,
d) what makes sense to some is stupid and ignorant to others,
e) winter camping is enhanced by hot food,
f) etc...
Seriously, there are plenty of reasons why some cook inside tents any why
some refuse to cook inside tents. There are stories of success and
tragedy. I have learned a lot from this thread and will go out with my
wife and two sons this week-end to do a bit of climbing and camping
before the leaves change color. With lessons from this thread it is time
to plan for quinzee building and cooking outdoors after the snowfall -
but I intend to have cooking done outside with both a campfire and with a
portable Coleman two-burner white gas stove.
Once the boys get used to a couple of winters of this occasional fun
stuff we can look at Markus' suggestion. It will probably take me that
long to get a nice sized used wall tent and used small wood stove.
Bye ;-)
Ken Pisichko
Steve Cosner
rando
>Tan Genital??? Takes a pretty hot fire from an old stove to do that?
sorry about that, please don't flame me. RECTify as "tangential". a
freudian slip?
Toby Everett
>I have two stoves: an MSR XGK II and a Trangia. I would *never* get
>the idea of lighting the MSR inside a tent, well-ventilated or not.
>The initial flare-up is just too hard to control (especially in
>"well-ventilated" tents). Furthermore, the MSR's bottom gets too
>hot. I'd never risk putting it on a ground sheet or (heaven forbid)
>the tent floor or (heaven forbid!) my Therm-A-Rest.
and WhisperLites). A piece of heat resistant fiberboard (sometimes
asbestos:) is drilled with holes and bungee cords attached. the bungee
cords slip around the fuel bottle and, in the case of the WhisperLite, also
secure the stove. Bingo, instant stove holder. No more balancing stoves on
pot lids, no more waiting for your WhisperLite to cool before moving it.
Makes it a snap to start the stove outside and then bring it inside (can
even do through the door).
--Toby Everett
Mike Mayer
[...]
=
= >concern. Whisperlites are incredibly lightweight, easy to use,
= >and you can control the heat intensity very well. HOWEVER, they
= >are unsafe in my mind (at least many of the older models) because
= >MANY OF THEM LEAK WHITE GAS AT THE CONNECTION WHERE THE RUBBER
= >TUBING MEETS THE STEEL PRE-HEAT TUBING!!!! Insode a tent, or in
= >other close quarters, THIS CAN BE FATAL! Again, I have not had
= >experience with recent vintage Whisperlites, so maybe this problem
= >is now solved -- however, I'm still living with memories of the
= >umpteen number we sold in the early 90's that consistently leaked!
=
= Yi! I hadn't heard this before. I forget how old my current
= Whisperlight is but I think I bought it around 1990. Haven't noticed
= any leaking problems (certainly haven't had any leaking gas flare up)
= but this is not comforting news!
[...]
The only leaking I have had with my late 80's Whisperlite is at the
point where the fuel line from the stove connects to the pump assembly
on the bottle. I replaced the o-ring on the pump assembly and it works
fine now.
--
==============================================================================
Mike Mayer (414) 751-3557 Work: Mike....@plexus.com
Technology Group, Inc. Neenah, WI Home: mma...@athenet.net
Wendy Richardson
>[...]
>=
>= >concern. Whisperlites are incredibly lightweight, easy to use,
>= >and you can control the heat intensity very well. HOWEVER, they
>= >are unsafe in my mind (at least many of the older models) because
>= >MANY OF THEM LEAK WHITE GAS AT THE CONNECTION WHERE THE RUBBER
>= >TUBING MEETS THE STEEL PRE-HEAT TUBING!!!! Insode a tent, or in
Funny you should mention this... something weird like this happende
to me a couple of days ago. Something weird kept happening, and it
sounded like a freight train. I turned the valve closed a little and
it stopped doing that.
Will have to think about what to do next... it is old, well used.
Maybe time for something new?
Wendy
Carl A. Slenk
>>In article <950830.20...@cheshire.cc.oxy.edu> tam...@oxy.edu
(Michael K.
> Tamada) writes:
>>[...]
>>=
>>= >concern. Whisperlites are incredibly lightweight, easy to use,
>>= >and you can control the heat intensity very well. HOWEVER, they
>>= >are unsafe in my mind (at least many of the older models) because
>>= >MANY OF THEM LEAK WHITE GAS AT THE CONNECTION WHERE THE RUBBER
>>= >TUBING MEETS THE STEEL PRE-HEAT TUBING!!!! Insode a tent, or in
MSR will replace the old fabric covered tubes for the newer metal weave
tubes. Do yourself a favor and get the replacement. They even work in
winter now. :-)
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| | a solution" |
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Peter Miller
whisperlites for free for some time now. I live in Seattle so it was
just a trip to the store for me but I would imagine they would do it
other places as well. It makes the stove alot safer.
Peter
On 8 Sep 1995, Wendy Richardson wrote:
> >In article <950830.20...@cheshire.cc.oxy.edu> tam...@oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
> >[...]
> >=
> >= >concern. Whisperlites are incredibly lightweight, easy to use,
> >= >and you can control the heat intensity very well. HOWEVER, they
> >= >are unsafe in my mind (at least many of the older models) because
> >= >MANY OF THEM LEAK WHITE GAS AT THE CONNECTION WHERE THE RUBBER
> >= >TUBING MEETS THE STEEL PRE-HEAT TUBING!!!! Insode a tent, or in
>
Brian Wasson
I think it was around $15 or so. May not be worth it for a
Whisperlite, but for an XGK it would pay off. I've got an '85 XGK
that I'll probably be sending off fairly soon to get a new life!