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Jeffrey Olson

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Jul 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/25/96
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The "Starrs Guide to the John Muir Trail and the High Sierra Region" says
on page 81, ...Spanish Mountain (10,044), a high point on Rodgers Ridge
which seprates the North Fork and The South Fork of Kings River. Here one
looks down over 8,000' to the river from the highest canyon wall in
America."

Jeffrey Olson
Yakima, Washington...


On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Steve Susswein wrote:

> Anybody know what the deepest canyon in north america is? I'm pretty
> sure the snake river canyon is the deepest in the U.S., but is copper
> canyon in Mexico deeper?
>
> context: the latest sierra trading post catalog offers free shipping if
> you can answer this question.
>
>


Steve Susswein

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Jul 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/25/96
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Michael Miller

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Jul 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/26/96
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Steve Susswein <suss...@ssag.enet.dec.com> wrote:

Oh, I see, you just want the free shipping...

Kings Canyon, California.

Diana

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Jul 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/26/96
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Steve Susswein wrote:
>
> Anybody know what the deepest canyon in north america is? I'm pretty
> sure the snake river canyon is the deepest in the U.S., but is copper
> canyon in Mexico deeper?
>
> context: the latest sierra trading post catalog offers free shipping if
> you can answer this question.


i think it's hell's canyon, but you'd have to look that up to be sure.

good luck

--
Diana ^(raven)^
http://www.geckoworld.com/~raven
ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

Ken Ferschweiler

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Jul 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/26/96
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Steve Susswein (suss...@ssag.enet.dec.com) wrote:
: Anybody know what the deepest canyon in north america is? I'm pretty
: sure the snake river canyon is the deepest in the U.S., but is copper
: canyon in Mexico deeper?

: context: the latest sierra trading post catalog offers free shipping if
: you can answer this question.

Hell's Canyon claims to be the deepest in North America. So does
King's Canyon. So does Copper Canyon (though its real name calls
it a barranca rather than a can~on).

So who decides? How does one measure?

========================
Ken Ferschweiler Internet: ken...@cs.orst.edu
Department of Computer Science
Oregon State University

Eugene N. Miya

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Jul 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/26/96
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>free shipping

eh?

I think this just changed.
Anyone with, I believe the 1994 American Alpine Journal (I think that
year and not 1993 or 1995), could check for a two page article by
Brad Washburn. My climbing partner Keith Echelmeyer is noted by
Washburn as doing a new sounding (high explosives again) of the Ruth Gorge
and establishing that as a new "record." Of course a glacier sits in
the rest of the trench. So you either have a chance to "get it right."
Or correct Sierra Trading Post. Just find the article. Otherwise
insist on deepest non-filled canyons.


Frank Crary

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Jul 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/27/96
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In article <31F7F6...@ssag.enet.dec.com>,

Steve Susswein <suss...@ssag.enet.dec.com> wrote:
>Anybody know what the deepest canyon in north america is? I'm pretty
>sure the snake river canyon is the deepest in the U.S., but is copper
>canyon in Mexico deeper?

As a side note, does anyone know about the geology of Copper Canyon?
My mother visited Copper Canyon last month, and her description
sounded like extensional faulting. But she's not a geologist,
or even anything similar. I know a planetary scientist who's
interested in terrestrial analogs to Martian geologic features.
He'd be interested if Copper Canyon was produced by extensional
faulting, because that's a _much_ better analog to the Marinaris
canyon system on Mars.

Frank Crary
CU Boulder

ElCoyotero

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Jul 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/29/96
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The deepest chasm in North America is situated between Newt Gingrich's
mind and sanity.

George R Crawford

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Jul 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/29/96
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In article <4tirl8$r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> elcoy...@aol.com (ElCoyotero) writes:
>The deepest chasm in North America is situated between Newt Gingrich's
>mind and sanity.

Ranks right up there with Bill Clinton's mouth and the truth.

Crawdad


Dingus Milktoast

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Jul 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/29/96
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ElCoyotero writes:
> The deepest chasm in North America is situated between Newt Gingrich's
> mind and sanity.


Nope. It'e the gap betwixt hunters and anit-gun proponents. Nope... it's the
chasm between religion and science. Nope! It's the divide between Demo and Rep.
Nope! It's definitely King's Canyon!

How about deepest VALLEY in N. America? Anyone care to take a stab at that?

DMT

David Paul

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Jul 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/29/96
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In article <4tirl8$r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> elcoy...@aol.com (ElCoyotero) writes:
>From: elcoy...@aol.com (ElCoyotero)
>Subject: Re: what's the deepest canyon in north america?
>Date: 29 Jul 1996 13:16:24 -0400

>The deepest chasm in North America is situated between Newt Gingrich's
>mind and sanity.

Actually, I thought that it was located between Hillary's......................

Careful with the political jokes. What goes around comes around.

M'Daid

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Jul 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/29/96
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I vote for Barranca de Sinforosa which is part of the Copper Canyon system
near Guachochic. However, I doubt anyone has measured it. It didn't look
like many gringos had ever been there when I visited it in 1980-something
and after arriving eight hours later from Creel, we knew why. My companion,
who has travelled extensively just about everywhere on Earth that can be
travelled to, said Guachochic was the ugliest place she had ever seen in
her life. But it was definitely worth it. We roomed the three of us in the
only hotel in town with functioning flush toilets and the next day hiked
about ten miles one-way without seeing much of anything but an occasional
marijuana field or ranch house. We stayed out of the pot fields, but did
stop to visit with some rancheros. The view from the rim was fine as was
the birding.

I don't think Barranca del Cobre is deeper than the Grand Canyon, but it has
a greater volume, least, that's what I always heard.


















PaciŠncia en lo comen‡ament, e riu en la fi.
Raimundo Lulio


Eugene N. Miya

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Jul 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/29/96
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Checked, Washburn AAJ 1993. Poses the question in the title.

In article <4tb3mj$1...@engr.orst.edu> kennino@"cs.orst.edu"


(Ken Ferschweiler) writes:
>So who decides? How does one measure?

It's kind of like a "first ascent."
Measurement is fairly easy, it's the decides which makes the problem.
The measure will take known surveys: topographically and combine that
other known facts like seismic work in the case of the Ruth's Grand Gorge.

The "decides" is typically some declaration by locals colliding with
specialists. R.b. got started shortly after a "what's the steepest road"
discussion (one noting a steep road in the Waipo Valley on the Big Island
of Hawaii).
Like net discussions, people pose things, and they get knocked down by
verifiable (and repeatable) tests and qualifications (like "North
America)".

Serious claims go to places like the Geographic Board of Names (the
panel 16 of the real world), the USGS, and numerous "authorities."


Muskie

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Jul 30, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/30/96
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Nope. It'e the gap betwixt hunters and anit-gun proponents. Nope...
it's the
chasm between religion and science. Nope! It's the divide between Demo
and Rep.
Nope! It's definitely King's Canyon!

How about deepest VALLEY in N. America? Anyone care to take a stab at
that?

DMT

Wow, Dingus! thats about the deepest thing I have ever heard!
Your mind constantly amazes me.-----Muskie


Dingus Milktoast

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Jul 30, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/30/96
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Muskie writes:

> Wow, Dingus! thats about the deepest thing I have ever heard!
> Your mind constantly amazes me.-----Muskie
>

Thank you, sweetie!

DMT


Dick Bingham

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Jul 31, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/31/96
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The Lake Chelan basin is rather deep It is located at 1100 feet at
"full-pool", is 400 feet below sea level at its deepest point, and
some of the mountain peaks along its 55 mile length are well over 8134
feet (Castle Mountain).

That makes the basin at least 9534 feet deep

73 de w7wkr


Dingus Milktoast

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Aug 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/1/96
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Hey, just to clear the air here... Muskie didn't pose this question, I did.
Jeeze! To be confused with Muskie is... revolting! Agh! Yuck! Patooie! RALPH
BOUGHT A BUICK! Besides, I've never worn a sun dress in my life and my
girlfriend isn't named Rosie!

DMT

> Muskie wrote:
> >
> >
> > Nope. It'e the gap betwixt hunters and anit-gun proponents. Nope...
> > it's the
> > chasm between religion and science. Nope! It's the divide between Demo
> > and Rep.
> > Nope! It's definitely King's Canyon!
> >
> > How about deepest VALLEY in N. America? Anyone care to take a stab at
> > that?
>

> Again, depends on how you define "deep" (e.g., highest point on
> edge to lowest point in valley or median or what), but I believe
> in general Owens Valley is the deepest valley, with Mt Whitney and
> the Sierras on one side (14Kft+) and the White Mountains on the
> other side (12Kft+). I don't recall the valley altitude, but it
> can't be much more that 2.5-3.0 Kft. And from descriptions, it was
> quite beautiful until LA bought up most of it and turned it into
> a semi-desert-- Owens Lake (now lake bed) had paddle wheel steamers
> and the valley was actually green!
>
> Bill Cornette

William Cornette

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Aug 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/1/96
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Muskie

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Aug 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/1/96
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Hey, just to clear the air here... Muskie didn't pose this question, I
did.
Jeeze! To be confused with Muskie is... revolting! Agh! Yuck! Patooie!
RALPH
BOUGHT A BUICK! Besides, I've never worn a sun dress in my life and my
girlfriend isn't named Rosie!

DMT

Relax Dingus, take a deep breath, let go of your little friend,
and just relax. Really, you shouldnt wear those black mini skirts
anyways. Whenever I see the name Dingus milktoast, it
reminds me of moldy toast.------Muskie


Jackie Johnson-Maughan

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Aug 3, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/3/96
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The deepest canyon in NA is Hells Canyon through which the Snake River
flows between Idaho and Oregon.

While Hells Canyon does not have the relief of the Grand Canyon, it is
the deepest.

--
Jackie Johnson-Maughan
Pocatello, Idaho
STANDARD DISCLAIMER


Jim Shields

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Aug 4, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/4/96
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The National Park Service says that King's Canyon in California is the
deepest canyon in North America. It "...reaches a depth outside the park
of some 8,200 feet from river level up to Spanish Mountain's peak. There,
just downstream from the confluence of the Middle and South Forks of the
Kings River, the canyon is without peer in North America--deeper than the
Snake River's Hells Canyon in Idaho, or the Grand Canyon in Arizona." (from
the Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park brochure).

Jim Shields
reds...@usa.pipeline.com

Matthew . Dunne

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Aug 6, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/6/96
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Sure it's not copper canyon (in Mexico)?

Eugene Miya

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Aug 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/17/96
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So, Steve, did you get free shipping?


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