MSR vs. Peak 1
David Thigpen
for my Peak 1 Feather 400. Beside the cost, what are the benefits/drawbacks
of the MSR vs. the Paek 1?
Many thanks.
Pete Hickey
No difference at all. Everybody will agree that one is no better than
the other. Every few months, there is a flurry of postings claiming
that.
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>David Thigpen <dthi...@ns.secis.com> wrote:
>I have a friend ho wants to trade hie MSR Whisperlite (never used, no
>bottle) for my Peak 1 Feather 400. Beside the cost, what are the
>benefits/drawbacks of the MSR vs. the Paek 1?
Well, I'm an Coleman Apex II user, but I would probably make the trade.
(from the peak 1 400, not the Apex II :-), especially if the MSR is brand
new. Lighter, proven design (seperate fuel bottle), and lower center of
gravity, so should be more stable as well. YMMV. Bottles are relatively
inexpensive.
Regards;
Mark Mathis
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: In article <3kth92$q...@news.cais.com>,
: David Thigpen <dthi...@ns.secis.com> wrote:
: >I have a friend ho wants to trade hie MSR Whisperlite (never used, no bottle)
: >for my Peak 1 Feather 400. Beside the cost, what are the benefits/drawbacks
: >of the MSR vs. the Paek 1?
: >
: No difference at all. Everybody will agree that one is no better than
: the other. Every few months, there is a flurry of postings claiming
: that.
: -Pete
Friend of mine went on a 5 day trip with 4 other people very recently.
Between them they had 3 stove, 2 MSR Wisperlites one Peak 1.
The stoves performed as follows:
One MSR Wisperlite could not be started at all for the duration of the trip
although the owner cleaned and attempted to correct the problem every night.
The second MSR Wisperlite started everytime, but needed to be cleaned twice
during the trip or it would not hold a low flame.
The Peak 1 started every time, held a low flame, and needed no cleaning, repair
or maintenance during the trip.
You decide which is the better stove.
Ute
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uwil...@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov
OR
u...@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov
Bryce Beyler
writes:
FROM MY REI CATALOG
Coleman MSR w/ 22oz bottle
Weight 22.7oz 16.7
Fuel Cap. .69pts 1.29pts
Burning time 70min 110min
Boiling time 3.4min 3.8min
H20 Boiled per
pint of fuel 29.8qts 28.7qts
A bottle for the MSR will cost about $8 to $10
Also, you can buy coleman parts almost anywere that camping stuff is
sold. MSR parts are usually at specialty shops or mail order.
The MSR has to be primed (smokey and messy), while the Colemans prime
themselves.
I have a Coleman Peak1 Apex stove and a friend of mine has the MSR
Wisperlite neither have had problems other than clogged generators, a
very minor problem.
Bryce
David Thigpen
>
>You decide which is the better stove.
>
>Ute
>
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> uwil...@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov
>OR
> u...@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov
Score one for Peak 1!!!!! Most advice I have received
has ranged between "a stove is a stove" to subtle
differences, but no _great_ advantage for the MSR over the
Peak 1.
Thanks to all who offered advice. My decision: stay with the Coleman.
David
Donna Kurt
Hickey) wrote:
I own a Whisperlite International 600 and an MSR XGK and have also owned
a Whisperlite International.
Used the XGK in Australia to burn gasoline and kerosene. Also used
the Internationale in Australia - both work better with aussie
"white spirits" available in camping supply stores for a pretty buck
(1 litre for $2). Have used my MSRs and friends' (?) Colemans
on over 5000 km hiking/canoeing trips.
Complaints about MSRs:
- my hands get dirty during un/packing
- the legs on Internationales can break (the spot welds need to be rewelded)
- the XGK runs at 110 dB (or so it seems in the middle of nowhere, especially
when you shut it off)
- some people do not have the patience to make Internationales simmer
- the pump mechanism can come out if used by the wrong
Complaints about Colemans:
- burn my fingers or hands trying to reach under the stove top/wind
shield to control the flame
- they can flare much worse than MSRs
- have tasted naptha/white gas in food cooked in pots that Colemans
full of fuel were packed in
- the Apex has a potentially lethal valve control (can leak and lead
to explosion)
- have had to lift a Coleman out of a burning ring of fire that happened
because its generator quit - have seen more Coleman generators pack
it in on trips than MSRs - usually the owners don't carry a spare generator
- don't run too well when the fuel gets really low
- have to pump too much
- if fuel runs out, the pot has to be removed to refuel the stove (not Apex)
- they are difficult to clean if they get really clogged up
What I like about MSRs:
- good stability
- upgradeability (yes its possible to turn an Int'l into an Int'l 600)
- light in weight
- the fuel is carried separately from the pots so pots don't get tainted
- possible to totally dismantle and repair in the field with a small kit
- XGK is able to burn virtually anything flammable
- can run on a very small amount of fuel in the fuel bottle (drops)
- don't have to pump too much to get/keep going
- the bottle can be refueled without removing the pot from the stove
- have started them in -20 degC weather and in rain
- don't have to clean the jet if you purge it with pressurized gas just
after the flame extinguishes - the Int'l 600 shaker jet needs no cleaning
What I like about Colemans:
- easier to simmer than MSRs
- easier to start-up than MSRs
- set up faster
- do not get your hands dirty.
Can't think of much else now. Obviously, the world is not perfect
(look at our bio mass species), and stoves are created by people,
just like computers and elevators.
Will keep on using my MSRs until someone builds a better mouse frappe!
Donna in Winterpeg
Almost thawed out!
John Richardson
: >for my Peak 1 Feather 400. Beside the cost, what are the benefits/drawbacks
: >of the MSR vs. the Paek 1?
: >
[chomp]
The stoves performed as follows:
One MSR Wisperlite could not be started at all for the duration of the trip
although the owner cleaned and attempted to correct the problem every night.
The second MSR Wisperlite started everytime, but needed to be cleaned twice
during the trip or it would not hold a low flame.
The Peak 1 started every time, held a low flame, and needed no cleaning, repair
or maintenance during the trip.
You decide which is the better stove.
Anecdotes aren't data. For example, I could tell you this:
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I hate doing this, but I've experienced the opposite problem. (Which
made me realize I don't even /have/ to carry a stove on short 3-season
trips). One Feather 400, almost brand new, refused to start, another
similar Coleman model, needs to be cleaned at the end of every weekend
trip (got a lot of use before it got to this stage though). (second
stove wasn't owned by me)
My Wisperlite hasn't had problems in two years of 3+ season hiking in NH
(although I sometimes wish it could be as self-contained as some Coleman
models).
My dad's other stove (swiss made?) has run forever, but isn't great
at boiling water.
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These stove problems may come from external factors, like leaving fuel in over the summer, taking it out, what brand of fuel you use, if you use your stove
to melt snow all winter, etc...
Maybe some big chain store (EMS or REI) will do some scientific testing on
stoves in the future? Until then we can keep swapping stories. :)
YMMV
--
John Richardson
jric...@cs.uml.edu
William Tuthill
: What I like about Colemans:
: - easier to simmer than MSRs
: - easier to start-up than MSRs
: - set up faster
: - do not get your hands dirty.
I would add:
- priming not necessary
- uses less fuel (because it simmers)
- can be stored in a cooking pot (stays clean)
- extra windscreen not usually required
- lighter weight overall (see points above)
- does not require cleaning after a trip
Eric Brunner Contra
: Donna Kurt (Donna...@NtwkServ.MTS.MB.CA) wrote:
: : What I like about Colemans:
: : - easier to simmer than MSRs
They weren't designed to simmer, at least their stoves I bought back when
I was doing a lot of snow camping/snow climbing. Blowtorch-and-off were
the only flavors of MSR, then.
: : - easier to start-up than MSRs
: : - set up faster
: : - do not get your hands dirty.
:
: I would add:
: - priming not necessary
: - uses less fuel (because it simmers)
: - can be stored in a cooking pot (stays clean)
: - extra windscreen not usually required
: - lighter weight overall (see points above)
: - does not require cleaning after a trip
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-- Eric Brunner
Flotsam
u...@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R.Willmore) wrote:
> Pete Hickey (pe...@mudhead.uottawa.ca) wrote:
> : In article <3kth92$q...@news.cais.com>,
> : David Thigpen <dthi...@ns.secis.com> wrote:
> : >I have a friend ho wants to trade hie MSR Whisperlite (never used, no
bottle)
> : >for my Peak 1 Feather 400. Beside the cost, what are the
benefits/drawbacks
> : >of the MSR vs. the Paek 1?
> : >
> [snip]
>
> Friend of mine went on a 5 day trip with 4 other people very recently.
> Between them they had 3 stove, 2 MSR Wisperlites one Peak 1.
>
> The stoves performed as follows:
>
> One MSR Wisperlite could not be started at all for the duration of the trip
> although the owner cleaned and attempted to correct the problem every night.
>
> The second MSR Wisperlite started everytime, but needed to be cleaned twice
> during the trip or it would not hold a low flame.
>
> The Peak 1 started every time, held a low flame, and needed no cleaning,
repair
> or maintenance during the trip.
>
> You decide which is the better stove.
>
Oh yes, this huge sampling has convinced me to trade in my MSR for the
Peak One !!
Bwaahahahahahahah!
How about other factors like: *how old* the stoves are, how well the
different owners have maintained and treated them, how frequently they
have been used, and other factors that could have affected this one trip?
A friend of mine has a Peak One. We've used my Whisperlite and his Peak
One side-by-side for many backpacking trips. No stove has noticeably
outperformed the other or suffered more problems. We both take good care
of them. Neither of us has complaints.
-dan
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Bill Cassady
>Date: 25 Mar 1995 11:32:27 GMT
pe...@mudhead.uottawa.ca (Pete Hickey) writes:
PH>In article <3kth92$q...@news.cais.com>,
>David Thigpen <dthi...@ns.secis.com> wrote:
>>I have a friend ho wants to trade hie MSR Whisperlite (never used, no bottl
>>for my Peak 1 Feather 400. Beside the cost, what are the benefits/drawback
>>of the MSR vs. the Paek 1?
>>
PH>No difference at all. Everybody will agree that one is no better than
>the other. Every few months, there is a flurry of postings claiming
>that.
Well, if you bother to read past the first line, there is sometimes a
disagreeable comment. The *first* line may say: `There is no difference
between stove X and Stove Y' - But reading further it may say:
`- Unless, of course, you value your hard-earned money, and would rather
purchase a faithful and steadfast companion for life, instead of a
worthless rotten undependable piece of shit that craps out when it's
cold, won't simmer even when it's warm, demands constant mechanical
attention and a supply of spare parts and tools equivalent to what's
required to maintain an F-51.'
-Bill
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less - 1 or 2 pumps. Sound reasonable?
Sean Lawrence Parker
>The most recent MSR catalog says that you can make them simmer by pumping them
>less - 1 or 2 pumps. Sound reasonable?
I just don't understand what all the fuss is about. I just turn down the
flame with a twist of the fuel control and voila, simmer time. It just
takes a little time to bleed off the pressure in the fuel line.
Sean
Harold Cokayne
>I own a Whisperlite International 600 and an MSR XGK and have also owned
>a Whisperlite International.
>
>Used the XGK in Australia to burn gasoline and kerosene. Also used
>the Internationale in Australia - both work better with aussie
>"white spirits" available in camping supply stores for a pretty buck
>(1 litre for $2). Have used my MSRs and friends' (?) Colemans
>on over 5000 km hiking/canoeing trips.
>
Doug Payne
Yup, works fine for me too. Both methods. But I usually don't bother
trying to figure out "less pressure" vs. "more pressure". All it takes
is a little patience. From what I've seen of other people who use
MSRs the biggest problem is the delay inherent in the way the control
works. Most people don't wait long enough. They partly close the
valve, and the flame doesn't get smaller right away. So they close it
some more. Then all of a sudden it dies so they crank it up again.
Then it's roaring away full blast and the cycle repeats itself. I find
that if I turn it down slowly, and wait for the flame to 'catch up' to
the valve, it simmers just fine.
../doug
Chris Stomberg
Mark Stephen Underwood
In response to the poster(s) with problems with the MSR stove..
I had similar problems with mine on its first trip out. Fortunately we were
in a place with TONS of dead wood so we didn't waste a weekend worht of
good food...
After months of cleaning, stripping (the stove!) and puzzling over what was
wrong with the @#$! thing, I spent a couple bucks on a filter/funnel for
the fuel.
Bingo! The (Coleman) fuel was dirty, and was re-gunking the stove faster
than I could clean it. Since I started filtering the fuel on its way
into the bottles, my Whisperlite has worked flawlessly, even for my (relatively
outdoor-skills-challenged) (ex-) girlfriend.
Of course, one might argue that the ability to run dirtier fuel is a plus
for the Coleman stoves, but on most of my trips, picking up fuel I didn't
bring with me is impossible, and the filter was an insignificant price..
I'll stick with my MSR .. but of course YMMV.
- Mark Underwood
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To: to...@cs.engr
Subject: Question about Program 1 ...
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Dale Brown
function properly. All stoves work relatively well at, or close to sea level,
but the higher you get, the less oxygen, and that starts to weed out the weak
ones.
When I was In Alaska, tromping around with the Army at a Mountaniering school
fo six weeks, we wer all issued a type of Coleman stove. It was a small
portable unit, that was difficult (even at 7000ft) to light, and difficult to
operate. I was lucky I had this tanker dude from Colorado in my group, who
could dismantle one of these things asleep, upside down, and in the dark. He
was a master. I caught the instructor using a ................thats right, an
XGK. He'd been up there, year round for three years, and tried everything. I
didn't own any personal camping gear at the time, but it led me in the MSR
direction, when I got out.
Now I own several stoves, all specialized for certain uses. I just don't know
how anyone get's by with just one stove, but I know I did it too, and it can
be done. Over the years, I guess you just accumulate stuff.
I've had several MSR whisperlites. Good stove for general use; quiet,
efficient, inexpensive, easy to maintain, but not much contrlability on the
heat. That means no Rice Pilaf on the trail.
Got rid of both of those, and bought a MSR Firefly. I haven't seen these in
the United States the last few years, but did see them in Great Britain
recently, odd isn't it. Great white gas stove for cooking. A real chef's
(which I'm not) stove. It'll simmer, cook, boil, whatever. It's all the other
things too, but it's noisy enough to send people away to have a conversation.
It wasn't until I started rafting, and cooking for 16 people at a time, I
realized how important it was for a stove to be able to support a 3 gallon 25
pound pot of water. None of these back packing stoves will do that. A lot of
the Rafters carry big stoves, for big pots, but I always wanted to use the
heat producing capacity of the whisperlite on water, so it was just a matter
of making a windscreen out of an old Svea 123 and taking the guts out of the
Firefly to build a new stove. It's a traet to use. You should see it go.
It'll go for a long time to with a large sigg bottle.
Speaking of Svea 123's, that was a neat little stove. I bought one for $5
from a guy, who said it saved him once while out. He couldn't get his car
started when he got to it, because the transmission, and I guess engine oil
was thick as mud. It was cold. So he fired up the little 123, and set it
under the car. It worked.
But the fuel supply on that stove only lasts around fifteen minutes, and it's
another noisy little devil. I just polish it with Brasso, and look at it.
It's a thing of beauty, and probably not a bad minimalist stove for a single
backpacker. I think Optimus bought Svea out a few years ago, so you can
still get parts.
Next I bought a Coleman Apex. I liked the idea, and it looke a lot like the
MSR Firefly. I heard second hand that there was litigation between MSR and
Coleman over the design, but I doubt anything ever came of it. It's been a
good stove, and it is definately a different type of stove to the MSR's. The
way in which it handles the fuel, and air, and the type of burner; they're
all unique, and it provides a good amount of heat. But, the fuel hose where
it connect to the pump, just started leaking fuel like crazy. It's one of
those deals where the hose is crimped around a doodad. Oh well, I keep
wanting to send it back to Coleman. It'll be interesting to see what they do
about it. It's hardly been used. Other than the failure, I like it. It's hot,
reasonably controlable, and quiet. You're locked in to one kind of fuel
bottle though. They put a non-standard thread on the thing, so forget about
using that neat little collection of Sigg, and MSR bottles you have.
Recently (is anyone still listening?zzzzzzzzzzzzzz), a friend at work, had
his cabin just about washed away by a flood. He brought in this double burner
stove that looked like it must be 40 years old, and rusted to pieces. I took
one look at it, and well, I can never throw anything away. It looked really
different to any of the ones they have today. It's the same basic design, but
everything is stronger, and beefier. The fuel/generator unit actually looks
like a bomb, or a missle. It's neat.
I took it to a friend who I had done a bunch of sewing for, and he said he'd
sand blastit, and see what was left. It took a coule of weeks, but it came
back sandblasted, primered, and it looked beautiful! The serial # which
suddenly became visible was 457D, or something.
Well, after a thorough disassebly, cleaning, polishing of brass parts, teflon
taping all the threaded joints, making a new rubber o-ring out of an old
inner tube, and making a new leather doodad for the pump, this thing acyually
fired right up! I couldn't believe it. I was literally dumbfounded.
I recently took it to an outing for the Missouri White Water Association (
I'm the director), where my wife and I prepared dinner for 150 people. I took
eight double burners, and the firefly with large base, and the Apex with a
coffe cxan cut out as a large base. The double burners (all Coleman's) were
used to prepare the foob, and the single burners were used for hot water.
That old Coleman worked better than any of the new ones. And considering all
the stoves I had to borrow from friends for the event, I'll bet I had to do
something minor to each and everyone of them, to get 'em to run properly. But
that's expected. Most peolple don't ever pull maintenance on their stoves.
One guys (my rafting guru)stove is probably twenty years old, and I'll bet it
hasn't been cleaned once. There's grease in there fromSalmon River trips back
in the seventies <g>. Almost all atleast needed a shot of oil on the leather
bit that goes on the pump plunger.
We really put all these stoves to the test. They ran constantly for a long
time. All performed quite well really. I know the literature talks about
10,000 BTU's here and there, but they don't account for ambient temperature,
and wind, which are a couple of significant factors. I used a lot of thick
aluminum foil as windscreens for the wind, and there wasn't much that could
be done about the 40* temperatures.
Sorry to ramble on like this, but I am a confessed gear-head. I Love the
outdoors with all my being. I try to find every excuse I can to get out
there. My boys two years old now, and very soon, he's gonna get face to face
with Mr Small Mouth Bass. He already loves to Camp as does my wife (camper
woman). When I was in the Military, I can remember so many cold, wet nights
freezing my rear-end off without a fire, or anything remotely high tech. When
I got out, I swore to myself, it was gonna be different; it was going to be
civilized. Just ask anyone, how fanatical I am about a nice warm campfire.
Best to you all who are still breathing, and not sleeping after this post.
Gee, I hope I don't get banned from this newsgroup for abusing server disc
space?
Just get out there!
Dale
Chan Webb
<snip a lot>
>Well, after a thorough disassebly, cleaning, polishing of brass parts, teflon
>taping all the threaded joints, making a new rubber o-ring out of an old
>inner tube, and making a new leather doodad for the pump, this thing acyually
>fired right up! I couldn't believe it. I was literally dumbfounded.
>I recently took it to an outing for the Missouri White Water Association (
>I'm the director), where my wife and I prepared dinner for 150 people. I took
>eight double burners, and the firefly with large base, and the Apex with a
>coffe cxan cut out as a large base. The double burners (all Coleman's) were
>used to prepare the foob, and the single burners were used for hot water.
>That old Coleman worked better than any of the new ones. And considering all
>the stoves I had to borrow from friends for the event, I'll bet I had to do
>something minor to each and everyone of them, to get 'em to run properly. But
>that's expected. Most peolple don't ever pull maintenance on their stoves.
>One guys (my rafting guru)stove is probably twenty years old, and I'll bet it
>hasn't been cleaned once. There's grease in there fromSalmon River trips back
>in the seventies <g>. Almost all atleast needed a shot of oil on the leather
>bit that goes on the pump plunger.
<snip some more>
>Best to you all who are still breathing, and not sleeping after this post.
>Gee, I hope I don't get banned from this newsgroup for abusing server disc
>space?
>Just get out there!
>Dale
Dale,
Good stove info... Thanks. I probably _should_ look over my old stove
to see what fixin it could use... (or I might just have to go get a
new one... ;-)
Thought I should say though, about that 'inner tube rubber o-ring'....
You should probably check the condition of that rubber after it's been
in contact with some gas. Rubber tends to have problems (dissolve?)
when it contacts gas. Those o-rings you see in fuel systems are
neoprene, I think, and they can take it.
I'd hate for your stove to go ka-blooey at the wrong time.....
-Chan
Dale Brown
Good stove info... Thanks. I probably _should_ look over my old stove
to see what fixin it could use... (or I might just have to go get a
new one... ;-)
Thought I should say though, about that 'inner tube rubber o-ring'....
You should probably check the condition of that rubber after it's been
in contact with some gas. Rubber tends to have problems (dissolve?)
when it contacts gas. Those o-rings you see in fuel systems are
neoprene, I think, and they can take it.
I'd hate for your stove to go ka-blooey at the wrong time.....
-Chan
Funny you should mention that, but this is an old, old tire. Maybe it's
better quality, I don't know, but the rings have lasted atleast a year. I've
been looking at alternatives.
Thanks!
Dale
Bill Cassady
>Date: 28 Apr 1995 13:47:23 GMT
>From: Dale_...@oui.com (Dale Brown)
DB>Dale,
DB>Good stove info... Thanks. I probably _should_ look over my old stove
>to see what fixin it could use... (or I might just have to go get a
>new one... ;-)
DB>Thought I should say though, about that 'inner tube rubber o-ring'....
DB>You should probably check the condition of that rubber after it's been
>in contact with some gas. Rubber tends to have problems (dissolve?)
>when it contacts gas. Those o-rings you see in fuel systems are
>neoprene, I think, and they can take it.
DB>I'd hate for your stove to go ka-blooey at the wrong time.....
DB>-Chan
DB>Funny you should mention that, but this is an old, old tire. Maybe it's
>better quality, I don't know, but the rings have lasted atleast a year. I've
>been looking at alternatives.
I think many tire inner tubes are made of neoprene, which holds air
better than rubber, is impervious to fuel, but sensitive to sunlight.
Nevertheless, I take my hat off to a guy who can make an O-ring from an
inner tube!
Gary Kerr
I bought on at the same time I bought my MSR Wisperlite International. The
first time I used it I could not believe what I found in the filter, small
metal scraps. I was lucky they did not reach the MSR. I can recommend the
Coleman filler hose for filling MSR fuel bottles. It attaches to the 4
litre size of Coleman fuel and prevents fuel spillage. I have probably
recovered the cost of $4.00 after only 3 fillups. I tended to spill a lot
using the poorly desiged Coleman containers.
sch...@fnalv.fnal.gov
>> To: to...@cs.engr
>> Subject: Question about Program 1 ...
>> --text follows this line--
>>
> Hi Mark, you are absolutely correct about buying the fuel filter. Fortunately
> I bought on at the same time I bought my MSR Wisperlite International. The
> first time I used it I could not believe what I found in the filter, small
> metal scraps. I was lucky they did not reach the MSR. I can recommend the
> Coleman filler hose for filling MSR fuel bottles. It attaches to the 4
> litre size of Coleman fuel and prevents fuel spillage. I have probably
> recovered the cost of $4.00 after only 3 fillups. I tended to spill a lot
> using the poorly desiged Coleman containers.
>
I've used a small patch of leather chamois inside a funnel as a filter
that also removes small ammounts of water from the fuel. The chamois will
hang on to the H20 droplets but pass the fuel.
Mark
Dean Alaska
nothing made it reliable. After being a confirmed MSR junky after years
of great service from a Firefly, I finally gave up and bought a Coleman.
If I wanted a water boiler I would still buy an XGK but you just don't
know what you get with a Whisperlite. My friends Whisperlite is great
but many of them aren't.
--
-- Dean Myerson
(de...@vexcel.com)